| I have a lot more to read up on since my catchup posts and it seems I have some explaining to do. This is what happens when I try and skim quickly so I can get some content out / discussion going before I sleep T-T |
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Kiiruma said: Not sure if I understand. You didn't make any catchup posts?I have a lot more to read up on since my catchup posts and it seems I have some explaining to do. This is what happens when I try and skim quickly so I can get some content out / discussion going before I sleep T-T |
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| aa-dono said: Phraze said: I have the tendency to not read people at all. Idk, like some gum stuck on the same people haha. In case that observation is true, I'll keep that in mind.why? o.o on another note, I kinda notice we scumread ppl new to the site, so I'm careful there Anyway, it's their timing. I was putting you as town after reading page 3 and that post came right after. Scum can pretend to townread anyone, but they're usually off on the timing since they knew who's town anyway but it just feels like Paiia was reading at the same pace/wave (whatever the right word is) as town would. Just a minor thing, but it put a stop to them being scum for now. u do tend to read ppl from what I remember, actually. tho haven't seen u with new players yet. fair enough. |
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| kinda think so too. writing observations on the go is a good look into thought process. tho its more of a tonal read. not gonna count on it yet |
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RE said: which is why I'm not sure of that slot@Phraze @_Wisp If this is the post you were talking about where ironace "dismisses" reactions: ironace said: I don't think he's dismissing it. I think he's only asking how it would help catch scum, not suggesting that it wouldn't help.can anyone tell me how did someone fall for roz's stunt? and how anyone can get something out of lil logic's act? I will admit, it did move the game forward |
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ironace said: hmmm.. seems like TWEWY was the only Roz one. he said something like 'I have a vig shot' which sorta was scumclaiming, tho he was town. Lost Village was another person, tho the early question got u suspicious.Phraze said: yeah he played a lot, but I was talking about games ironace was in. he says as if such tricks are obv, but he himself fell for it. looks like trying to shade others for speculating 'the obvious' which it wasn't. ok this is just wrong I never fell for anything because i wasnt even in the game(as far as i recall-and i havent played many so i think i know which games i was in and not) edit-can someone look it up if iw as in the game? |
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ironace said: that's NAI coming from u >.>RE said: I'm hesitant to go after ironace right now because I have a history of finding him scummy when he's town (because he says things with a mindset I don't understand). I'll reread him because I did agree with what Phraze said about scum wanting to dismiss opportunities to read people (in this case, lil_logic's gambit), but I don't know how applicable that is in ironace's case. ohhhh so thats why people are saying im scummy...Because scum dont want people to sort each other out but in my defense, i geninuly dont understand what could come out of that. But hey, thats just me, maybe with more more exp i would take something out of that but right now im clueless anyways, got any suspects? what do u think of Karote? |
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Phraze said: But isn't that why you got scum vibes from him? Because you interpreted him to be saying that you couldn't get reads from lil_logic's gambit. (I think he's asking how - as in, he doesn't understand it himself. It's a fair question.)which is why I'm not sure of that slot |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
so ur saying there's scum in RE/Dono? is it based on their interaction or a scummy post? |
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| Karote is scummy to new ppl xD |
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| just caught up on the thread apologies for not being active |
RE said: I'm questioning, not pushing yet.*sigh* We have less than 24 hours remaining in the phase. ironace could be scum but not based on what Phraze and Wisp are pushing him for. We need to consolidate on wagons. People need to vote seriously. RE said: being scummy and scum are dif things. #171 and me not voting him should explain itself.Phraze said: But isn't that why you got scum vibes from him? Because you interpreted him to be saying that you couldn't get reads from lil_logic's gambit. (I think he's asking how - as in, he doesn't understand it himself. It's a fair question.)which is why I'm not sure of that slot tho... it's fine if he can't read into the gambit, but why shade others for trying to? "how can anyone" is suggesting shade [and from exp, shade needs sorting with him] |
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| Im slightly stuck, because although id say im pretty crappy at scum hunting, and pretty bad at deciphering whether people are town or not, I sort of think that maybe RE is town, because shes pushing so hard that im town and if she were mafia shed probably wouldnt want to keep me around because if later in the game she decides to flip her stance on me it would make her look incredibly scummy |
Phraze said: Yeah, I'm probably rushing a bit >.>RE said: I'm questioning, not pushing yet.*sigh* We have less than 24 hours remaining in the phase. ironace could be scum but not based on what Phraze and Wisp are pushing him for. We need to consolidate on wagons. People need to vote seriously. While I'm voting aa-dono, my actual preferred lynch today would be Kiiruma. Wonder what others make of him. tho... it's fine if he can't read into the gambit, but why shade others for trying to? "how can anyone" is suggesting shade The terminology is awkward but I think he's more confused/bewildered than attempting to shade.[and from exp, shade needs sorting with him] |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
| I dont really understand Paiiromana"s way of deciphering between sum, not scum, not town, and town |
| hmm.. actually, I imagine a town!ironace would say "maybe others saw what I can't see". the post just felt shady. ok then Vote: ironace |
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lil_logic340 said: interaction reads. not town/scum together. scum/town for specific posts or otherI dont really understand Paiiromana"s way of deciphering between sum, not scum, not town, and town |
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lil_logic340 said: I think you're likely town mostly based on interactions (or rather, lack of interactions) with players who I think are scum. There was something aa-dono said (she asked why I wasn't voting you when I clearly indicated that I found you as town) that pinged me as possibly discussing a buddy, but it's a minor thing and I'm not interested in pursuing it rn.Im slightly stuck, because although id say im pretty crappy at scum hunting, and pretty bad at deciphering whether people are town or not, I sort of think that maybe RE is town, because shes pushing so hard that im town and if she were mafia shed probably wouldnt want to keep me around because if later in the game she decides to flip her stance on me it would make her look incredibly scummy lil_logic340 said: My guess is interactions - scum may talk differently to a buddy than to town. Similarly my interactions with aa-dono (our cross-voting) wouldn't look like a scum/scum interaction. They explain the rest of their reads a little later on.I dont really understand Paiiromana"s way of deciphering between sum, not scum, not town, and town |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
lil_logic340 said: Yep, 30 games on a dead site, I think?did paiiromana say that they've played a lot offsite? |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
RE said: did aa-dona not see that you town read me? or did she just think that you should vote me? why would you vote for someone that you have a town read on?lil_logic340 said: I think you're likely town mostly based on interactions (or rather, lack of interactions) with players who I think are scum. There was something aa-dono said (she asked why I wasn't voting you when I clearly indicated that I found you as town) that pinged me as possibly discussing a buddy, but it's a minor thing and I'm not interested in pursuing it rn.Im slightly stuck, because although id say im pretty crappy at scum hunting, and pretty bad at deciphering whether people are town or not, I sort of think that maybe RE is town, because shes pushing so hard that im town and if she were mafia shed probably wouldnt want to keep me around because if later in the game she decides to flip her stance on me it would make her look incredibly scummy lil_logic340 said: My guess is interactions - scum may talk differently to a buddy than to town. Similarly my interactions with aa-dono (our cross-voting) wouldn't look like a scum/scum interaction. They explain the rest of their reads a little later on.I dont really understand Paiiromana"s way of deciphering between sum, not scum, not town, and town |
RE said: Phraze said: Yeah, I'm probably rushing a bit >.>I'm questioning, not pushing yet. While I'm voting aa-dono, my actual preferred lynch today would be Kiiruma. Wonder what others make of him. tho... it's fine if he can't read into the gambit, but why shade others for trying to? "how can anyone" is suggesting shade The terminology is awkward but I think he's more confused/bewildered than attempting to shade.[and from exp, shade needs sorting with him] 1. Kiiruma tends to be a popular lynch option, so I'm trying to ignore that. him ignoring lilogic's gambit could be telling, but why post so soon? back to NAI 2. confused!ironace can also be scum tho. track record. only dif we can try is wording. if say, a confused ironace posted.. would he sound that discrediting? the discrediting shows certainty, which isn't confusion at all. |
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| @phraze not sure this helps anything but in genuinely curious, whats your read on me? |
RE said: pokemon site. I think it's pokemon showdown? only one iklil_logic340 said: Yep, 30 games on a dead site, I think?did paiiromana say that they've played a lot offsite? |
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lil_logic340 said: townlean. not sure tho. prefer to read off few posts than a gambit.@phraze not sure this helps anything but in genuinely curious, whats your read on me? |
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lil_logic340 said: I don't know if she saw it or not. But I definitely said it multiple times. And that's my point. Feels like she's making things up on spot to justify her posts.did aa-dona not see that you town read me? or did she just think that you should vote me? why would you vote for someone that you have a town read on? |
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| Well one thing from early this morning they I got is that, there is a very low chance that RE/Dono are ever W/W, they are probably jsut both town, but too soon for me to confidently say that same with Lil_logic, probably just town, but she will need to die eventually Phraze seems like her town self, nothing has poked me as suspicious, but I also have never been in a game where she was scum so meh @RE Tho I find you saying my case on Iron is wrong is kinda off-putting, I guess its a basically interpreting the semantics of that sentence he made, and it def comes if as more shade than not, I am still pretty much ok with my vote there π Karote - low end scum π Phraze - town? π PaiiiaRomana - town? π Korjivag - null? π RE - town? π lil_logic340 - town? π Wisp - so town π Kiiruma - null? π aa-dono - town? π ironace - scum? π Astros - null? π yurkin - null? my town pile seems to big, so there is def scum in the town pile/neutral pile Maybe koorj? no confident enough to say who I think would be another scum who I would lynch today: Karote Kiiruma Ironace Korj |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
| add to discrediting offense, has ironace sorted Karote? he talked but didn't get any read iirc. Karote is in a similar place but he hasn't shaded. (both didn't discuss lilogic's gambit too?) |
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Phraze said: While that's true, I recall him actually providing reads and commentary as town (disappearance of togs, smile). As scum, I would say he lurks even more. Rubbed me the wrong way that he didn't react to lil_logic's gambit despite commenting on the day proceeding in "usual fashion" or something, and his more recent post seems to be trying to excuse himself from finding reads. He still hasn't actually explained himself, either.RE said: Yeah, I'm probably rushing a bit >.> While I'm voting aa-dono, my actual preferred lynch today would be Kiiruma. Wonder what others make of him.The terminology is awkward but I think he's more confused/bewildered than attempting to shade. 1. Kiiruma tends to be a popular lynch option, so I'm trying to ignore that. him ignoring lilogic's gambit could be telling, but why post so soon? back to NAI 2. confused!ironace can also be scum tho. track record. only dif we can try is wording. if say, a confused ironace posted.. would he sound that discrediting? the discrediting shows certainty, which isn't confusion at all. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
_Wisp said: What exactly makes you think it's t/t?Well one thing from early this morning they I got is that, there is a very low chance that RE/Dono are ever W/W, they are probably jsut both town, but too soon for me to confidently say that |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
strong defending from 2 vote early. 12 player game, 2 vote not much then contradict his opinions talking to wisp 56 maybe scum partner warn in chat |
Phraze said: so ur saying there's scum in RE/Dono? is it based on their interaction or a scummy post? 0 or 1 scum I think now. if RE talk truth about work, aa-dono maybe scum |
_Wisp said: Well, here's how I read ironace's post: "How can you guys get reads from lil_logic's gambit? I don't understand, pls educate me."@RE Tho I find you saying my case on Iron is wrong is kinda off-putting, I guess its a basically interpreting the semantics of that sentence he made, and it def comes if as more shade than not, I am still pretty much ok with my vote there Here's how you and Phraze read ironace's post: "How can you guys get reads from lil_logic's gambit? There's no way you can." Am I wrong? I think my interpretation is correct. If your interpretation was correct, I would agree. I think scum are more likely to dismiss ways that town can find each other, or find scum. But I don't think that's what ironace was doing. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
RE said: i didnt say it was t/t I said its probably not W/W_Wisp said: What exactly makes you think it's t/t?Well one thing from early this morning they I got is that, there is a very low chance that RE/Dono are ever W/W, they are probably jsut both town, but too soon for me to confidently say that the probably just town thing is just a gut read, that im not confident with |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
RE said: "usual fashion" can mean "another day of shenanigans". can't read. hmm lack of reads is still unreadable. u could poke if u wantPhraze said: While that's true, I recall him actually providing reads and commentary as town (disappearance of togs, smile). As scum, I would say he lurks even more. Rubbed me the wrong way that he didn't react to lil_logic's gambit despite commenting on the day proceeding in "usual fashion" or something, and his more recent post seems to be trying to excuse himself from finding reads. He still hasn't actually explained himself, either.1. Kiiruma tends to be a popular lynch option, so I'm trying to ignore that. him ignoring lilogic's gambit could be telling, but why post so soon? back to NAI 2. confused!ironace can also be scum tho. track record. only dif we can try is wording. if say, a confused ironace posted.. would he sound that discrediting? the discrediting shows certainty, which isn't confusion at all. |
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_Wisp said: do we know how many town and mafia here should be?Well one thing from early this morning they I got is that, there is a very low chance that RE/Dono are ever W/W, they are probably jsut both town, but too soon for me to confidently say that same with Lil_logic, probably just town, but she will need to die eventually Phraze seems like her town self, nothing has poked me as suspicious, but I also have never been in a game where she was scum so meh @RE Tho I find you saying my case on Iron is wrong is kinda off-putting, I guess its a basically interpreting the semantics of that sentence he made, and it def comes if as more shade than not, I am still pretty much ok with my vote there π Karote - low end scum π Phraze - town? π PaiiiaRomana - town? π Korjivag - null? π RE - town? π lil_logic340 - town? π Wisp - so town π Kiiruma - null? π aa-dono - town? π ironace - scum? π Astros - null? π yurkin - null? my town pile seems to big, so there is def scum in the town pile/neutral pile Maybe koorj? no confident enough to say who I think would be another scum who I would lynch today: Karote Kiiruma Ironace Korj |
lil_logic340 said: Im slightly stuck, because although id say im pretty crappy at scum hunting, and pretty bad at deciphering whether people are town or not, I sort of think that maybe RE is town, because shes pushing so hard that im town and if she were mafia shed probably wouldnt want to keep me around because if later in the game she decides to flip her stance on me it would make her look incredibly scummy https://www.mafiauniverse.com/wiki/Pocketing |
_Wisp said: You said "they are probably just both town." Which I take issue with because I am voting aa-dono seriously. I'd want you to take a look at the reasons I am scumreading aa-dono rather than just dismissing the interaction as possible t/t.RE said: i didnt say it was t/t I said its probably not W/WWhat exactly makes you think it's t/t? the probably just town thing is just a gut read, that im not confident with |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
| @lil_logic340 12 player game so high chance of 3 mafia, i doubt there is anymore or any less |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
PaiiiaRomana said: Phraze said: so ur saying there's scum in RE/Dono? is it based on their interaction or a scummy post? 0 or 1 scum I think now. if RE talk truth about work, aa-dono maybe scum I see. thanks. also see a 0 or 1. |
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PaiiiaRomana said: Not at all. As I've stated several times, I've seen what lil_logic pulled come from town. Therefore, even though she technically claimed scum, I saw no reason to label her as scum immediately.lil_logic340 said: Im slightly stuck, because although id say im pretty crappy at scum hunting, and pretty bad at deciphering whether people are town or not, I sort of think that maybe RE is town, because shes pushing so hard that im town and if she were mafia shed probably wouldnt want to keep me around because if later in the game she decides to flip her stance on me it would make her look incredibly scummy https://www.mafiauniverse.com/wiki/Pocketing |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
| @RE jeez ok... I was half asleep in bed when I read your case on her... all go back and re-read it but im not trying to dismiss ur case either anyways, |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
lil_logic340 said: I dont really understand Paiiromana"s way of deciphering between sum, not scum, not town, and town player maybe town is townread player maybe scum is scumread remove maybe if more sure player+other player not scum is interact not scum to scum. 0 or 1 scum |
PaiiiaRomana said: that is exactly why im at a loss for whther shes town or mafia, but as I said if she later in turn decided to switch her stance on me it would make her seem incredibly scummy so it doesnt make much sense for her to try to pocket melil_logic340 said: Im slightly stuck, because although id say im pretty crappy at scum hunting, and pretty bad at deciphering whether people are town or not, I sort of think that maybe RE is town, because shes pushing so hard that im town and if she were mafia shed probably wouldnt want to keep me around because if later in the game she decides to flip her stance on me it would make her look incredibly scummy https://www.mafiauniverse.com/wiki/Pocketing |
_Wisp said: Okay, good ^^)/@RE jeez ok... I was half asleep in bed when I read your case on her... all go back and re-read it but im not trying to dismiss ur case either anyways, |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
_Wisp said: Well one thing from early this morning they I got is that, there is a very low chance that RE/Dono are ever W/W, they are probably jsut both town, but too soon for me to confidently say that same with Lil_logic, probably just town, but she will need to die eventually Phraze seems like her town self, nothing has poked me as suspicious, but I also have never been in a game where she was scum so meh @RE Tho I find you saying my case on Iron is wrong is kinda off-putting, I guess its a basically interpreting the semantics of that sentence he made, and it def comes if as more shade than not, I am still pretty much ok with my vote there π Karote - low end scum π Phraze - town? π PaiiiaRomana - town? π Korjivag - null? π RE - town? π lil_logic340 - town? π Wisp - so town π Kiiruma - null? π aa-dono - town? π ironace - scum? π Astros - null? π yurkin - null? my town pile seems to big, so there is def scum in the town pile/neutral pile Maybe koorj? no confident enough to say who I think would be another scum who I would lynch today: Karote Kiiruma Ironace Korj why aa-dono town ? why ironace scum ? |
| @paiiiaRomana aa-dono is just purely gut ironace ive already explained |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
RE said: Not at all. As I've stated several times, I've seen what lil_logic pulled come from town. Therefore, even though she technically claimed scum, I saw no reason to label her as scum immediately. no no no lil_logic not think you maybe pocket her |
lil_logic340 said: that is exactly why im at a loss for whther shes town or mafia, but as I said if she later in turn decided to switch her stance on me it would make her seem incredibly scummy so it doesnt make much sense for her to try to pocket me not if she think people forget but should have eye open |
RE said: Omg RE, if I didn't care at all I would have planted the vote right away. Maybe I didn't care too much about it since if there's an agreed upon lynch, that's cool. I never thought sheeps doesn't have responsibilities, I mean, they choose who to sheep :/ or what to.aa-dono said: That's my point. Did you not care for why Wisp wanted to vote ironace? I already pointed out that their reasoning was invalid. There was no case against ironace. Which is alright, that was there misunderstanding and it was a fair one. However, you said nothing about it and were willing to sheep an invalid case. That's not alright. It suggests to me you either were not paying attention and/or was happy to plant a vote later on an agreed upon scum read, which would absolve yourself of responsibility because if ironace is town, it wasn't your reasoning that was wrong, it was Wisp and Phraze's.First of all, it's "I recall saying I will sheep if I don't have my own scumread to pursue.." I do know that - the part where sheeping is not scumhunting. Hence if I ever sheep, I'd make it clear. I don't have much to say about ironace, nor did I interact with him or have anything in particular to ask. At the time, I have no one I felt like pursuing so I said I'd sheep. No no, I said I did suspect him. I just don't feel like voting him based of that suspicion. I was wary because I agreed with that read, but felt like your vote there doesn't match you not voting lil_logic and other behaviours. I'm not furthering this part unless you're back in the scummy radar. What? Why would I vote lil_logic? What other behaviors?This sounds like you're making things up on spot. ... I was asking? You said that it didn't feel right that I was voting Kiiruma while not pushing my other reads. I don't think it's AI to push someone while not immediately revealing the other reads. If you found my post not genuine because I wasn't pushing other reads though, why not ask for them? There was plenty of time between when I made that post and before you actually commented on it. Instead you waited until I asked you about Kiiruma. Which I asked, by the way, because you said you would go for ironace so I was wondering what you thought of Kiiruma, who I felt had more reason to be scum.I don't get the last sentence. Idk, maybe ironace would say more things knowing people want to vote him (now this is making things up on the spot. Idk if I thought this or not before our back and forth). I don't even remember why I thought it was a good idea anymore. Huh. I know you townread lil_logic. What I meant is you approached her first, and then decide that etc. Exhibit a careful person slowly going to go after their prey and then decide whether to pounce or not. But then with Kiiruma, you just pounce. This difference is what I was asking. Not lil_logic behaviours. Yours. It's not like I waited for you to ask about Kiiruma. I was waiting for him and yurkin to respond. And then you asked me about what I thought and it ended up going on and on. Basically before you asked, I wasn't going to bring it up. |
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