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Jan 12, 2018 12:18 PM

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Phraze (6): AbuHumaid, TheConquerer, Century_Orion, Tainted, Togs, ScarletCelestial
Tainted (4): riku, yurkin, darcs-friend, darcs-star
ScarletCelestial (1): roz1roz
Century_Orion (1): Phraze
AbuHumaid (1): RE1031

Not voting: @ironace, @YourTrashCan, @Karote


Inverted Tally:


Individual Changes in Votes:


Previous Vote Counts:
Day 1 | 1.0 | 1.1 | 1.2 | 1.3 | 1.4 | 1.5 | 1.6 | Final | Night 1
Day 2 | 2.0 | 2.1 | 2.2 | 2.3 | 2.4 | 2.5 | 2.6 | 2.7 | 2.8 | Final | Night 2

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Jan 12, 2018 12:19 PM

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RE1031 said:
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OK, that means Tainted is telling the truth and Phraze can't be Godfather if the mod ain't lying.
There is always the possibility you are cop, but insane.
If not, then I must be insane.


Easiest question to answer: yes.
Jan 12, 2018 12:20 PM

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AbuHumaid said:
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OK, that means Tainted is telling the truth and Phraze can't be Godfather if the mod ain't lying.
Tainted said:
oh okay :x

Thanks for confirming me...
are you guys for real? This is a bastard game, Rinto could be lying.
There's no such a thing as "confirming" in a bastard game.


(Cough)(cough)
Jan 12, 2018 12:20 PM

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ScarletCelestial said:
RE1031 said:
There is always the possibility you are cop, but insane.
If not, then I must be insane.


Easiest question to answer: yes.
I mean insane mechanic.. Like results are opposite of the truth. In case that was a joke answer.
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not.
Jan 12, 2018 12:20 PM
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ScarletCelestial said:
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By the way, I still insist on lynching Phraze, not just because she's scummy but her flip will answer many questions.


What questions would those be?
whether she was really shot or not (which could be determined if she flips town, because she wouldn't have a reason to lie if she was) and we can also see who defended her if she flips mafia (who can be her teammates) etc.
Jan 12, 2018 12:21 PM

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Tainted said:
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OK, that means Tainted is telling the truth and Phraze can't be Godfather if the mod ain't lying.
btw why didn't you get a prod? Are you not vanilla?


You probably didn't read the part after I claimed where RE said claiming VT isn't illegal...
Jan 12, 2018 12:22 PM

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Phraze said:
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@Phraze
If someone's lying about the shots, it's Scarlet. I'm pretty sure she's either serial killer or mafia and I was their target last night. I was there when day 2 began, and commented several times before and after I received my role PM. Because I didn't say anything about being shot and losing my bp, I think there was an assumption on their end that the doc protected me and avoided being vanillalized.
it's wifom to speculate about the reasons behind NKs. u were a townread and not lynchable, so it makes sense to target u.

RE1031 said:
My read on Scarlet is not an opinion. Anyone in my position would be doing the same exact thing as I am.
I'm definitely no longer triggerhappy with how things are going. The one person who I know to be scum has wormed their way out of it by getting people to vote someone they townconfirmed previously.
Getting lynched alongside Scarlet is counterproductive. I'm making it a dichotomy that only one of us is town. HOWEVER, I would rather be lynched alongside her than for her not to be lynched at all.
I'm curious: why do you think Scarlet is voting you?
having a triggerhappy attitude is what brought us to this point in the first place. I think both u and Scarlet are town, and ur suicide plan still looks bad.
Scarlet voted me since it was a logical option. even I agree it's better to have me dead first before her.


Tainted said:
@riku
@yurkin
These two just went offline after putting an empty vote on me...
Mind explaining your votes before eod?
my vote isn't empty. detailed the reasons alrdy.

Tainted said:
try claiming Vanilla or Cop.
why did u want to get someone modkilled? if u want to test things out, u should be the one claiming.

Tainted said:
So I can ask people to get off my train?

Where are you guys.
from the looks of it, ur the roleblocker. from what I recall u never claimed maf roleblocker

vvvv
Tainted said:
come at me. I'm a GodFather
I'm a Mafia Goon
I'm a Mafioso
I'm a Janitor
What else mafia roles are there?
I am mafia roleblocker.
I'm one step away from getting modkilled so this is the last.
Jan 12, 2018 12:22 PM

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ScarletCelestial said:
These are the people who I'd consider Town at a glance:
Phraze
RE
darcs-friend (also, what is your MU username? Just curious.)

Everybody else has been acting either scummy or like a lurker in my opinion.

If I had to choose scum from a glance:

riku - See ISO from Day 1.
roz, Tainted or Cent - See next section.
Togs - Mainly my gut telling me this. I was going to Cop Suzune last night, it's just that I then had a really bad feeling that I should be checking Phraze. Maybe the bad feeling was still about Suzune...
ironace - Someone mentioned interactions with Suzune were weird, and I also think a lot of their actions Day 1 were scummy early on in the phase.

I have the belief that since Phraze isn't Godfather and I'm Town, whoever jumped on my plan could be in the scummier half of the game.

Phraze - Abu, Con, Me, Cent
Me - RE, Tainted, roz

Of the above, the first complying to the plan was Tainted's. Abu and RE's were prior to this, so I'm discluding them. I'm not scum, so it can't be me. Con's was a pressure vote to get them to claim Godfather.

This leaves Tainted, roz or Cent.

Tainted was the first to agree with the plan, so may not be applicable. However, Phraze has read them scummy so it might mean they are the scum member. Cent was the second, but found Phraze scummy anyway, supposedly. (No indicator from vote yesterday since they didn't vote.) (@Century_Orion why did you NOT vote yesterday?) roz voted me after I said to stop voting people. Selective reading, which isn't that helpful. (@roz1roz If you had to choose a scum team right now who would you choose?)

If anybody has any questions directed at me, I suggest you ask them soon.


I keep my opinion that RE and Trash should be lynches, but Trash is being replaced and RE lynch is not gonna get support sooo... I'm just waiting for a night atm to do some magic. If there is a watcher, they should be on me, but idrc that much as Im bulletproof to begin with.
Jan 12, 2018 12:23 PM

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AbuHumaid said:
By the way, I still insist on lynching Phraze, not just because she's scummy but her flip will answer many questions.

info on my alignment should be evident in the EoD activity
I was a lead wagon prev phase and this phase, but only this one is noisy
info lynches should come only if there's 0 leads

Jan 12, 2018 12:23 PM

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-.-' I fell asleep.. did I missed something important?
Jan 12, 2018 12:23 PM

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roz1roz said:
I keep my opinion that RE and Trash should be lynches, but Trash is being replaced and RE lynch is not gonna get support sooo... I'm just waiting for a night atm to do some magic. If there is a watcher, they should be on me, but idrc that much as Im bulletproof to begin with.
1. What's you'reyour reasoning on me?
2. Where did it say Trash is getting replaced?

edit: grammar...
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not.
Jan 12, 2018 12:24 PM

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Tainted said:
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OK, that means Tainted is telling the truth and Phraze can't be Godfather if the mod ain't lying.
btw why didn't you get a prod? Are you not vanilla?

Everyone can claim that they are vanilla, but every player in the beginning had a PR.
Vanilla isn't counted as a role claim as long as you don't mention who you were before and who you targeted.



Jan 12, 2018 12:24 PM

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RE1031 said:
roz1roz said:
I keep my opinion that RE and Trash should be lynches, but Trash is being replaced and RE lynch is not gonna get support sooo... I'm just waiting for a night atm to do some magic. If there is a watcher, they should be on me, but idrc that much as Im bulletproof to begin with.
1. What's you're reasoning on me?
2. Where did it say Trash is getting replaced?


I can confirm 2. Rinto said YTC asked for a replacement in thread...
Jan 12, 2018 12:24 PM
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Can we switch back to behavior next phase?

Mechanics are boring, I don't play mafia for this...
Jan 12, 2018 12:26 PM

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AbuHumaid said:
Can we switch back to behavior next phase?

Mechanics are boring, I don't play mafia for this...
we can cfd Century or Karote for lurking

Jan 12, 2018 12:26 PM

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Two tied wagons? No one's gonna break it?
Jan 12, 2018 12:27 PM

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Tainted said:
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it's wifom to speculate about the reasons behind NKs. u were a townread and not lynchable, so it makes sense to target u.

having a triggerhappy attitude is what brought us to this point in the first place. I think both u and Scarlet are town, and ur suicide plan still looks bad.
Scarlet voted me since it was a logical option. even I agree it's better to have me dead first before her.


my vote isn't empty. detailed the reasons alrdy.

why did u want to get someone modkilled? if u want to test things out, u should be the one claiming.

from the looks of it, ur the roleblocker. from what I recall u never claimed maf roleblocker

vvvv
I am mafia roleblocker.
I'm one step away from getting modkilled so this is the last.
pfft ok. tho it aint absolute

Jan 12, 2018 12:27 PM
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Phraze said:
AbuHumaid said:
Can we switch back to behavior next phase?

Mechanics are boring, I don't play mafia for this...
we can cfd Century or Karote for lurking
Lurkers are not necessarily scum.
Jan 12, 2018 12:28 PM

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Vote: Century_Orion

major lurking in Karote/Century/YTC

Century never placed a vote on prev phase, and voted me cuz I was a lead wagon

Jan 12, 2018 12:29 PM

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AbuHumaid said:
Phraze said:
we can cfd Century or Karote for lurking
Lurkers are not necessarily scum.
they also don't advance the game
if u wanna consider info lynches, u can also consider lurker lynches

Jan 12, 2018 12:29 PM

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RE1031 said:
TheConquerer said:

Wait did Tainted claim to be the roleblocker?
Not directly. But this is what happened:
>ironace claimed to be roleblocked
>ironace claimed that his role is passive-ish
>Tainted claimed that a redirector does exist because his action was redirected to someone else

Piecing this information together, Tainted roleblocked someone but it was redirected to ironace.

This is going to sound absolutely horrible and ridiculous, but: what are the chances there are duplicate roles in the set up?


Zeroish for investgatives
Very high for killings

If all scum vere lynchproof and there was only one killing role, it dying (or even being vaniliazed) literaly means that game is lost as lynching 3-4 mafia would take 6/8 days + 2 if nk needs to be lynched as well.

Setupwise there has to be like 2 or 3 viges, joat, pgo or other stuff like that.
In general up to like 5 town killing roles could be legit here.
Jan 12, 2018 12:30 PM

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Tainted said:
Two tied wagons? No one's gonna break it?
Why not? Two people dying is double the fun, no? :P



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Phraze said:
Vote: Century_Orion

major lurking in Karote/Century/YTC

Century never placed a vote on prev phase, and voted me cuz I was a lead wagon
I might follow that Century train. I'm starting to doubt my scum read on you tbh
Jan 12, 2018 12:31 PM

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roz1roz said:
Zeroish for investgatives
How much are you willing to bet on this?
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not.
Jan 12, 2018 12:31 PM

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Rinto-kun said:
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Two tied wagons? No one's gonna break it?
Why not? Two people dying is double the fun, no? :P


Phraze has broke the tied lynch anyway, now.
Jan 12, 2018 12:32 PM
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It's also very suspicious how so many people followed me on Phraze's train so easily and fast...
Jan 12, 2018 12:32 PM

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AbuHumaid said:
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Vote: Century_Orion

major lurking in Karote/Century/YTC

Century never placed a vote on prev phase, and voted me cuz I was a lead wagon
I might follow that Century train. I'm starting to doubt my scum read on you tbh


Why do you say this as soon as the lynch has been removed from a tie? I thought you said that there shouldn't be two deaths in the same Day phase...
Jan 12, 2018 12:34 PM

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AbuHumaid said:
It's also very suspicious how so many people followed me on Phraze's train so easily and fast...


Um, Abu. People didn't exactly follow you. I came up with a thing which required 4 votes on Phraze or myself and 3 on the other.

Haven't you read anything from early Day 2?
Jan 12, 2018 12:34 PM
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ScarletCelestial said:
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I might follow that Century train. I'm starting to doubt my scum read on you tbh


Why do you say this as soon as the lynch has been removed from a tie? I thought you said that there shouldn't be two deaths in the same Day phase...
when I said that, I meant that I might convince others to follow me on Century's train too, not only hop there by myself
Jan 12, 2018 12:35 PM
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ScarletCelestial said:
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It's also very suspicious how so many people followed me on Phraze's train so easily and fast...


Um, Abu. People didn't exactly follow you. I came up with a thing which required 4 votes on Phraze or myself and 3 on the other.

Haven't you read anything from early Day 2?
I read a bit, I skipped a lot, because I'm sick and tired of mechanics talking.
Jan 12, 2018 12:36 PM

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AbuHumaid said:
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Vote: Century_Orion

major lurking in Karote/Century/YTC

Century never placed a vote on prev phase, and voted me cuz I was a lead wagon
I might follow that Century train. I'm starting to doubt my scum read on you tbh
I even wonder why u scumread me in the first place. the lack of acitvity in the prev phase should've cleared me. and its a fcking gamestate read

just need to figure out if Century is lynchproof

Jan 12, 2018 12:39 PM
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Phraze said:
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I might follow that Century train. I'm starting to doubt my scum read on you tbh
I even wonder why u scumread me in the first place. the lack of acitvity in the prev phase should've cleared me. and its a fcking gamestate read

just need to figure out if Century is lynchproof
I suspected you mainly because of how you just asked questions and didn't bother answer others or engaging yourself in conversations on D1, also how you misinterpreted people, that seemed like you were trying to trap people to lynch them not scum hunt
Jan 12, 2018 12:40 PM

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honestly speaking, the activity in this phase is telling
still think Tainted could be scum
he's the only new train today
but I'd rather avoid derp lynches

or more like
the new trains today are Scarlet and Tainted
contrast in phase activity is obv

Jan 12, 2018 12:40 PM

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AbuHumaid said:
Can we switch back to behavior next phase?

Mechanics are boring, I don't play mafia for this...

AbuHumaid said:
By the way, I still insist on lynching Phraze, not just because she's scummy but her flip will answer many questions.

Dam Abu, you’re a man after my own heart <3

Yeah so, looks like wagons are tied but here’s why I think Phraze is the optimal lynch.

1. If you would have voted for Phraze but backed off because of Scarlet’s claim, you should vote for her. Mine contradict’s Scarlets.

2. If you’re ambivalent about Phraze / don’t think she’s town, you should vote for her. Getting two cops sorted out as soon as possible is very strong, esp when sanities are sorted out.
Jan 12, 2018 12:40 PM

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vote: AbuHumaid
If we're CFDing, I want it here.

Also, if there's a chance for duplicate roles, then there's a chance I'm wrong about Scarlet.
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not.
Jan 12, 2018 12:41 PM

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Togs said:
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Based on what prior info?
I’m inclined to trust Suzune’s case in hindsight because she’s a good player and I have the benefit of knowing she was town. Plus there’s something role-related. Knowing Phraze’s flip will help me understand something.

lol thats such a convenient excuse for voting.
Jan 12, 2018 12:41 PM

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I'm going to guess something. I think Togs is the vig. And I'm really, really, really worried about this...
Okay maybe not. Idk. This is awful.
Has there ever been a scenario with multiple vigilantes?


http://blankmediagames.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=70907

Game with 8 (in practice 4) vigilantes AND PGO. Yes, there are games like that.

Yes, I'm fairly sure there NEED to be multiple killing roles in this setup as well. That's why I'm not scumreading, rather townreading Phraze cause of that.

I mean abu doesn't seem like mafia kill target tbh. That shoot is likely to come from town imo.
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Togs said:
Getting two cops sorted out as soon as possible is very strong, esp when sanities are sorted out.
Oh my fucking god....
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not.
Jan 12, 2018 12:42 PM
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Can someone tell me what CFD means?
Jan 12, 2018 12:43 PM

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AbuHumaid said:
Can someone tell me what CFD means?
Last minute lynch wagon, aka the Mafia Society Special
Jan 12, 2018 12:43 PM

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RE1031 said:
Togs said:
Getting two cops sorted out as soon as possible is very strong, esp when sanities are sorted out.
Oh my fucking god....
FUCK. FUCK. FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK.
I am willing to bet Scarlet is insane.
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not.
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RE1031 said:
Oh my fucking god....
FUCK. FUCK. FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK.
I am willing to bet Scarlet is insane.
Well it's a coin flip, or rather just a Phraze flip
Jan 12, 2018 12:46 PM

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AbuHumaid said:
Can someone tell me what CFD means?
chinese fire drill. panic lynches.

Jan 12, 2018 12:47 PM

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AbuHumaid said:
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I even wonder why u scumread me in the first place. the lack of acitvity in the prev phase should've cleared me. and its a fcking gamestate read

just need to figure out if Century is lynchproof
I suspected you mainly because of how you just asked questions and didn't bother answer others or engaging yourself in conversations on D1, also how you misinterpreted people, that seemed like you were trying to trap people to lynch them not scum hunt
misinterpretation is just as NAI as lying is
but fair point
not that I see the point in it

Jan 12, 2018 12:48 PM

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@AbuHumaid
are u vanilla now? host said that claiming vanilla is fine.

Jan 12, 2018 12:48 PM

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RE1031 said:
roz1roz said:
Zeroish for investgatives
How much are you willing to bet on this?


That sounds inorginal tbh.
But zero. I actually don't see any reason for inestigatives to not repeat except site's meta.
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@ScarletCelestial
I am really sorry for tunneling you this entire phase, but I think you will understand once we figure this whole thing out.
Also, you should vote Phraze.
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not.
Jan 12, 2018 12:50 PM

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Vote: Phraze

and no worries. You were just doing what you thought was right.
Jan 12, 2018 12:51 PM

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@ScarletCelestial
I am really sorry for tunneling you this entire phase, but I think you will understand once we figure this whole thing out.
Also, you should vote Phraze.
mind telling me what u can figure from my lynch?
and if I'm an info lynch, then we should take down someone else along with me.

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Phraze said:
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are u vanilla now? host said that claiming vanilla is fine.
Yes.
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