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Apr 7, 2017 3:59 AM
#251
yurkin said: @logic340 #200 Voting for rosie were simply rvs, not real suspect, but can't say i exclude players from suspicion. I don't trust people which say trust me in general, and from my lame deductions - the cultist is is one person, if lynched day1 the cult is done fore, i think if pursued or pressured in some way the cultist will try really hard to defend itself. Overall Purity seem to be acting that way, but who knows, different individuals act different, can't put everything in one frame. Sound reasoning but you forgot one thing. I drew the attention to myself and put myself in that spot so that I can defend and clear the air so that I can play the way I want. If I am the cultist as you say, wouldn't I play more conservative than defensive? I would say that the cultiest cannot afford to attract attention to himself at all, which is the opposite of what I was doing. Even if I look at myself from an outsider's POV, I dont think I am the cultist, if anything, there's a higher chance of me being a zombie if I'm scum at all. If you're looking at cultist, I'd rather look at those quieter ones that participate but minimally, somewhere along the lines of Rinto, Rosie or Ruu. Question to town: Is zombie or cultist a higher threat to us day 1? Let's say we found a zombie and a cultist, which do you lynch first? |
Apr 7, 2017 4:20 AM
#252
Kit said: This doesn't feel like a normal Kit question. Honestly the majority of your posts feel off to me at this point. The backup would know they are the backup. So while their ability wouldn't be active there would still be two Priests in the game?RE1031 said: yurkin said: Grrr can't fake claim, all roles are known, and one cannot simply fake claim since it will be obvious to the real role. So yeah, grrr is the priest. The priest is immune to zombies but can still be infected, is that one of the said hidden mechanisms in the game, just assuming, but could an infected one infect an another person? And second - the priest will find the original role of the one vissiting him, so he'll see a converted to zombie town as town, and converted to cultist town as town as well, if I get it right. And yeah, good morning everyone! >.</ There is a possibility of two priests, since there are 16 players and thus either a second priest or a town roleblocker. If anything, priest is the best role to claim for a guilty player because we are less likely to lynch a claimed PR AND 1. If there is one priest in the mix, then anyone who fake claims priest is set for the game. 2. If there are two priests, then anyone who fake claims is almost set for the game because the two real priests won't know each other and the chances of both of them claiming is unlikely until late game. Of course, if we prod enough, grrr'll have to reveal which of the priests he is. So all we can do is await his follow up to the claim. But rather than him establishing which of the priests he is, I would like to hear why he decided to claim early. Because it seems like an un-PR thing to do. edit: Good night -w- edit 2: About infected people being to infect others - I actually hadn't thought about this, but it can't apply to the Priest, or at least the confirmed Priest. The priest can only visit himself. The secondary priest, which may or may not exist, doesn't appear to be immune to zombification at all. Also, converted cultists can't visit other players, since it states that they lose their original roles. So fortunately we don't need to worry about whether a cultist appears town/PR to the Priest because they can't visit him to begin with. Zombies on the other hand seem to be a pain to handle, but fortunately they spread far less quickly. Which reminds me of a question I had earlier - do infected townies/cultists fall under zombies or their original party? yurkin said: Oh, I saw that: Back ups - not included in the initial ratio, somehow i've missed it before, so there is the possibility RE mentioned about, priest x2, or a roleblocker. btw the second priest have different abillity. |
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Apr 7, 2017 4:22 AM
#253
grrr ☒ logic340, Oyasumi_Rosie, Qoco, RE1031 Doughkey ☒ reiynii, Rinto-kun, Kit Rinto-kun ☒ grrr logic340 ☒ Shinichi-Kun Oyasumi_Rosie ☒ yurkin Kit ☒ Doughkey Shinichi-Kun ☒ PentaFlare PentaFlare ☒ Ruu Not Voting Suzune-chan, CorruptedPurity, Astros Mod Note(s) - |
Apr 7, 2017 4:25 AM
#254
Alright. I've waited long enough to do anything useful. I think Doki was on to something with his very first post. Not the fluffy reasons, but the fact that Kit's first post mentioned infection but not conversion. In a game where most common tells don't apply, TMI still can. While being fluffy, Kit accidentally admitted to not being at risk of conversion from cult. Vote: Kit |
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Apr 7, 2017 4:26 AM
#255
#251 Hmm, thats the opposite of what i thought. As i see it, the zombies can take it easy, since even if one of them is lynched that won't lead to the identity of the second; it won't be so easy to beat the zombie fraction, as infection take time to develop, not fast but steady. Still there are the two (potential, one back up) priests thats able to fight the zombies, but is there a way to fight the cult? I need to reread the abilities, but once the cult start to spread is there a mechanism or ability enable to slow down its growth? |
Apr 7, 2017 4:28 AM
#256
Also, what is up with this grrr train? "Oh, he claimed a PR, that's so scummy, we should lynch him". |
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Apr 7, 2017 5:00 AM
#258
Sleipnirr said: if you have played with me before what are your thoughts on my play style if not what are your thoughts on this post. Generally shitty. If I didn't know your meta I would scum read you every single game, you contribute very little in the early game but usually come out more by late game. Tendencies to lurk, not bad at reads overall though. And I see what you are going for with this post. Kit said: I think my lynching preference would be cult>zombie>town>none Why would you prefer to lynch a town over not lynching anyone? yurkin said: Grrr can't fake claim, all roles are known, and one cannot simply fake claim since it will be obvious to the real role. So yeah, grrr is the priest. The priest is immune to zombies but can still be infected, is that one of the said hidden mechanisms in the game, just assuming, but could an infected one infect an another person? And second - the priest will find the original role of the one vissiting him, so he'll see a converted to zombie town as town, and converted to cultist town as town as well, if I get it right. And yeah, good morning everyone! >.</ If the real priest is anyone who has played with Grr, they would not CC him because they know how often he is full of shit. Or if the Priest is a skilled player they would see the benefit of the claim, which I have no problem outting right now because it just goes to cause more confusion than needed in an already clusterfucked game. yurkin said: Kit said: grrr said: How am I weird you are weird. I see some people are voting me. This is unfortunate since I am the priest. you do this fake claim stuff as town too tho so whatever I'm probably wrong as always, but whats the point of fake claim? If Grr is town he would fake claim it to deviate attention from himself, giving the scum a higher chance of targeting the actual priest. Scum will also feel less inclined to fake claim it themselves, they would rather claim a role that has not already been claimed since that has a lower chance of ending up in an argument. Just the idea that Grr has the balls to legitimately claim priest if he is though discredits all of what I said. I think the fake claim is silly af though, Grr probably didn't put that much thought into it and just thought "lol it would be funny to claim :D" |
Apr 7, 2017 5:02 AM
#259
yurkin said: #251 Hmm, thats the opposite of what i thought. As i see it, the zombies can take it easy, since even if one of them is lynched that won't lead to the identity of the second; it won't be so easy to beat the zombie fraction, as infection take time to develop, not fast but steady. Still there are the two (potential, one back up) priests thats able to fight the zombies, but is there a way to fight the cult? I need to reread the abilities, but once the cult start to spread is there a mechanism or ability enable to slow down its growth? Kill the cultist, the rest are only cult members and can't spread the AIDS. |
Apr 7, 2017 5:04 AM
#260
Once culted you turn into vanilla cultist. The one role that is out of danger from other beside lynching is the priest, namely the first one not the back up one. The zombies should most difinitely want the priest lynched, is side note if the zombies will try to do it so obviously by the pretext of fake claiming or not. As for why grrr even claimed, for town is not benefical to claim imo. Claims are looked upon with suspicion, despite them being truthful or not. |
Apr 7, 2017 5:05 AM
#261
Sleipnirr said: Welcome to the game. Your playstyle is one that I find hard to nail down. I have yet to see your scum game but have lynched you off as town. I had reasons but they were still incorrect :(Hi there I decided to replace suzune as on impulse. Dont expect much from me and I just pulled an allnighter so I am going to sleep (thats how I found the replacement too was messing with the phone and saw the message on skype) I have one question to everyone though if you have played with me before what are your thoughts on my play style if not what are your thoughts on this post. Anything is fine as long you just post something. For the ones who dont know or dont remember my old name was Kasai so see ya What do I make of this post? It's just an interdictory post imo. A way to say hello but I don't feel it tells me much about your alignment. |
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Apr 7, 2017 5:06 AM
#262
@Astros why are you not voting? I claimed early on that I wont be participating in RVS and took a shit from Doki and shini cause of it. I explained my rationale behind it and am very open about it. You had time to think, where will your vote lie? And if you're choosing to keep it, why? I also now want to lynch someone on Grrr's train cause scum should be lurking in there. He's too easy of a lynch fodder. |
Apr 7, 2017 5:07 AM
#263
Apr 7, 2017 5:10 AM
#264
I figured the votes on me would scoot after like 16 hours because one is like a threat for me to marry them, one didn't have a message, and the other was because of my disdain for the D word mostly. Vote on Kit was asspulled to create conversation and have some kind of substance over a useless RVS. Confrontation with CP was also to provide information, he was online at the time so I bit. Kit is neutral/scum because of useless fluff posts, OMGUS, and the better stated reason of what Penta posted at the top of this page. CP is neutral/town for now. Being overly defensive was kind of sus, everything else I said was just to trigger you into talking more or cracking. I disagree with your play but despite what I said, you really can't scum read off of a consistent meta. Like Grr, he is always anti-town, but that doesn't mean he is scum. And real talk, I skim or ignore parts of your posts when they are bulked into big ass paragraphs. I am a hypocrite though. |
Apr 7, 2017 5:11 AM
#265
yurkin said: #259 Really? If so i have misunderstood that XD lol. Well the situation of town doesn't look so bad then... It should be. I lost as a cult member in Lupa's ultimate mafia game before because of this. @aa-dono can you confirm if a converted cult member is considered a cultist or just a cult member? |
Apr 7, 2017 5:12 AM
#266
Has Grr been getting killed early in his latest games? |
Apr 7, 2017 5:14 AM
#267
Doughkey said: Nope he made it to D3 of Alcatraz on a fake miller claim and he won Kitty Mafia as scum voting me for 5 days straight (from his first vote almost to his last).Has Grr been getting killed early in his latest games? |
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Apr 7, 2017 5:17 AM
#268
PentaFlare said: Also, what is up with this grrr train? "Oh, he claimed a PR, that's so scummy, we should lynch him". logic340 said: [quote=grrr message=50252890]Good morning peeps 12 am phase change is actually pretty good for me but was distracted last night so here I am. Back reading in a moment though not much seems to have happened so far. Vote: grrr I see some people are voting me. This is unfortunate since I am the priest. /quote] aa-dono said: grrr ☒ logic340, Oyasumi_Rosie, Qoco Doughkey ☒ reiynii, Rinto-kun, Kit Rinto-kun ☒ grrr logic340 ☒ Shinichi-Kun Oyasumi_Rosie ☒ yurkin Kit ☒ Doughkey Shinichi-Kun ☒ PentaFlare PentaFlare ☒ Ruu Not Voting Suzune-chan, CorruptedPurity, Astros, RE1031 Mod Note(s) @logic340 :) So Penta I have to ask if you are not reading the thread or if you are trying to protect grrr here? Three of the 4 votes came before his claim. He claimed under no pressure. It's grrr so I doubt anyone even believes the claim. If we don't believe the claim and think he is scummy we should certainly be voting here. My vote was RVS Rosie's vote seems more fluffy than serious Qoco says he wants to start fires grrr claims Priest with 3 votes on him and little pressure Vote Count RE places vote on grrr for pressure Honestly don't see anything wrong with any of the votes on grrr right now. I'm actually curious why you and @CorruptedPurity are shaming people off this train rather than trying to help figure grrr out so another Kitty Mafia doesn't happen? |
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Apr 7, 2017 5:23 AM
#269
logic340 said: Doughkey said: Nope he made it to D3 of Alcatraz on a fake miller claim and he won Kitty Mafia as scum voting me for 5 days straight (from his first vote almost to his last).Has Grr been getting killed early in his latest games? Roger, theory was that if he had been dying early he would just claim to survive a day phase to get a conversion out and call it a job well done. So in Alcatraz he was mafia claiming miller? He could have seen the fake claim strategy worked out well enough for him once so he went for it again. And Kitty Mafia just sounds like classic Grr. Well, after playing like a hundred fucking games with Grr I think I have started to develop some semblance of a meta on him, given a few days I will probably have something tangible. For now I am leaning neutral/town. Claiming priest would be way too risky in the eyes of a scum, especially this game at this time. The risk should highly outweigh the rewards, if a scum dies before they get their conversion off they are at a tremendous disadvantage. Alternatively, if Grr is a vanilla townie, the reasons I stated in response to Gerkin apply. And the obligatory: "Regardless of what faction Grr is, he is viable lynch option" |
Apr 7, 2017 5:25 AM
#270
Shinichi-Kun said: Sleipnirr said: Hi there I decided to replace suzune as on impulse. Dont expect much from me and I just pulled an allnighter so I am going to sleep (thats how I found the replacement too was messing with the phone and saw the message on skype) I have one question to everyone though if you have played with me before what are your thoughts on my play style if not what are your thoughts on this post. Anything is fine as long you just post something. For the ones who dont know or dont remember my old name was Kasai so see ya I rather you play how you used to than try to be super aggresive which ik ur not lol. Sorry but I dont really feel very good about this post it almost feels like you are trying to manipulate me by making me go back to my old style which you know much better than the current one making it easier for you to control or anticipate my actions. And I know very well how you can manipulate some one Izaya |
Apr 7, 2017 5:26 AM
#271
Kit said: Sleipnirr said: i don't really remember enough to comment, i guess you didn't leave an impression on meHi there I decided to replace suzune as on impulse. Dont expect much from me and I just pulled an allnighter so I am going to sleep (thats how I found the replacement too was messing with the phone and saw the message on skype) I have one question to everyone though if you have played with me before what are your thoughts on my play style if not what are your thoughts on this post. Anything is fine as long you just post something. For the ones who dont know or dont remember my old name was Kasai so see ya thoughts on this post is i'm wondering why you want peoples thoughts on you That happens when you dont survive past day 1 (talking about myself ofcourse) |
Apr 7, 2017 5:27 AM
#272
Kit said: I have to ask you to clarify why it sounds more horrible to NL D1? Mislynching doesn't stop a conversion from happening and narrows the pool of players making it quicker for the zombies or cult to achieve their win condition. So if you feel it's t/t leading the lynch would you lynch for information? Try to find the actual scum? or push a no lynch if possible? Honestly in a t/t leading lynch situation I think I would take the No Lynch in this situation for multiple reasons:Shinichi-Kun said: I'm sure this has been discussed but while I'm catching up: this sounds like a more terrible idea than it usually is because 1. more scums alive more conversions happening faster 2. we will need to carefully reexamine everyone every new day phase because of the conversions so we need to not be wasting time not lynchingBtw ik this is weird after all my voting posts about cp, i think no lynch might be better tho this is just my opinion cause it makes it harder for a pr to get converted with mre people alive, tho its obviously better if we could manage to lynch one of the converters roles day 1. and every town (ie a prevented mislynch thru nolynching) is a potential future scum, which could potentially be dangerous Though while I'm thinking about this, I just realized the usefulness of zombies to town- they essentially can eliminate a cult conversion for a night :Ic hm I think my lynching preference would be cult>zombie>town>none 1. It makes it harder for a PR to be converted/infected 2. Start D1 at 13-2-1 would start D2 at 12-2-2 3. We don't risk losing a PR on the only night we are assured to have them all at our disposal. 4. If we lynch the priest is severely limits our chances of success. Kit said: I don't see a problem with giving town reads because all reads will need to be reevaluated the next day anyway due to conversations. There are kind of distinct mindsets for the Zombies and Cult Leader imo so think about what they need to do to achieve their win con and I think you will see that handing out town reads isn't as detrimental as you think (so long as you constantly reevaluate them). Ok so, I'm not going to give town reads because in a conversion game it'd be dangerous if a highly town read person got converted to scum since there's three scum, i'll pick three i feel may be scum. Doki, for reasons stated, and i feel like he was intentionally trying to look like he was scum hunting, but the stuff he posted about me and cp was so useless it may as well have been fluff. Ruu, I have a bad feeling about her, and when I have a bad feeling about her this early she turns out scum... I think she seems very careful, calculated this game. I'm scared. ... actually i can't even figure out a third person because from them up most of my feelings are "im not sure" "i dont remember" or "seems town" suppose this is fine for now. time to get some sleep hopefully |
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Apr 7, 2017 5:29 AM
#273
yurkin said: The Zombie know who one another are but they do not have a secret club to chat in. This means that they will most likely not be voting or pushing suspicion on one another. When conversions start happening looking for tonal and behavioral changes will be key. And forgot to mention in this game the two zombies doesn't know each other, and until the cultist start to convert, currently we dont have 3 scums working together, but 3 separate ones. Trail of collaboration between scums won't exist until the cult convertion start. Therefore there won't be a flip as usual, in day1 that is. Will the zombies try to give like secret sign to each other, or the'll work separatelly? I thought about that last night, can't say if it have any real significance though. Since zombies start to convert from night 2 onwards, if i got that part right. |
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Apr 7, 2017 5:31 AM
#274
Doughkey said: Sorry I wasn't more clear in Alcatraz he was town claimed miller and made it to D3 on that claim before I used it to push his lynch (I was mafia). logic340 said: Doughkey said: Has Grr been getting killed early in his latest games? Roger, theory was that if he had been dying early he would just claim to survive a day phase to get a conversion out and call it a job well done. So in Alcatraz he was mafia claiming miller? He could have seen the fake claim strategy worked out well enough for him once so he went for it again. And Kitty Mafia just sounds like classic Grr. Well, after playing like a hundred fucking games with Grr I think I have started to develop some semblance of a meta on him, given a few days I will probably have something tangible. For now I am leaning neutral/town. Claiming priest would be way too risky in the eyes of a scum, especially this game at this time. The risk should highly outweigh the rewards, if a scum dies before they get their conversion off they are at a tremendous disadvantage. Alternatively, if Grr is a vanilla townie, the reasons I stated in response to Gerkin apply. And the obligatory: "Regardless of what faction Grr is, he is viable lynch option" I think I agree with you last paragraph, I know grrr likes to do silly risky shit but this is more inline with what I have seen from his town game than what I expect after seeing his scum game in Kitty mafia. It's grrr though so I never know and would like more people to talk about him and engage him in this game. |
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Apr 7, 2017 5:33 AM
#275
unvote: grrrr Vote: Kit Right now I am most suspicious of Kit. Way too much fluff and non-game related posts, this is not what I am used to from Kit. Her questions don't really seem to be all that alignment indicative like I am used to, she's way more playful and doesn't seem to be focused. Not liking her contributions so far and a little bit of pressure may be helpful in figuring her out or getting her on track. |
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Apr 7, 2017 5:34 AM
#276
okay I will start backreading rn from what I understand reading the setup there is not going to be nk instead conversion. So this game will be more centered around mind games rather than suspicions as you wont be able to trust your reads whole game (if you are thinking about that I suggest you change that mentality) We have to take each days' posts as independent post as someone might be converted and honestly if we dont get a scum flip first day I think its gonna be very hard to win this game. The host didnt specify but I am assuming that they will be able to convert in the first night so in day 2 we will have at least 4 scums and with each day its gonna keep getting harder and harder since we cant just universally town read someone and decrease our poe list. Anyway as always if you wanna talk or want my opinion on something just tag my name I will answer it as best as I can |
Apr 7, 2017 5:38 AM
#277
CorruptedPurity said: I also have my concerns about Astros this game due to lack of contribution to this point.@Astros why are you not voting? I claimed early on that I wont be participating in RVS and took a shit from Doki and shini cause of it. I explained my rationale behind it and am very open about it. You had time to think, where will your vote lie? And if you're choosing to keep it, why? I also now want to lynch someone on Grrr's train cause scum should be lurking in there. He's too easy of a lynch fodder. grrr ☒ logic340, Oyasumi_Rosie, Qoco, RE1031 Not as worried about this train as you are. 3 of these are RVS and RE's vote is pressure (not sure how well that will work out). Doughkey ☒ reiynii, Rinto-kun, Kit I would say I am more concerned with this train than the grrr train at this point. |
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Apr 7, 2017 5:41 AM
#278
Ouch. I deeply apologize to everyone for forgetting about this game ;_; Please forgive me T.T |
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Apr 7, 2017 5:43 AM
#279
Sleipnirr said: As the number of scum increase actually lynching scum will become easier. I don't know about throwning out reads completely as tonal and behavioral changes could lead us to potential scum due to conversions. okay I will start backreading rn from what I understand reading the setup there is not going to be nk instead conversion. So this game will be more centered around mind games rather than suspicions as you wont be able to trust your reads whole game (if you are thinking about that I suggest you change that mentality) We have to take each days' posts as independent post as someone might be converted and honestly if we dont get a scum flip first day I think its gonna be very hard to win this game. The host didnt specify but I am assuming that they will be able to convert in the first night so in day 2 we will have at least 4 scums and with each day its gonna keep getting harder and harder since we cant just universally town read someone and decrease our poe list. Anyway as always if you wanna talk or want my opinion on something just tag my name I will answer it as best as I can |
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Apr 7, 2017 5:45 AM
#280
Apr 7, 2017 5:45 AM
#281
Shinichi-Kun said: logic340 said: Shinichi-Kun said: logic340 said: CorruptedPurity said: Actaully D2 we would go into it with 0 information from the lynch and the possibility of two infected townies (who wont turn Zombie until start of D3). Shinichi-Kun said: CorruptedPurity said: Shinichi-Kun said: Btw ik this is weird after all my voting posts about cp, i think no lynch might be better tho this is just my opinion cause it makes it harder for a pr to get converted with mre people alive, tho its obviously better if we could manage to lynch one of the converters roles day 1. Tbh, in a game like this with both a cult and a zombie, scum(or anti-town) will increase exponentially. It's better to nip the flower at the bud. Kill of the cult leader/zombie before it starts laying eggs. You say this lol but gotta help is find the so called zombie and cult leaders. Idm quoting this as it's short and easier on my mobile. I'm just saying that nl shouldn't even be an option this game. I actually wouldn't mind nl in other setups (even though I never expressed my interest in nl before), but I think that not lynching day 1 in this particular set up is just asking for it. Night falls. Cultist cults one, zombies infect 2 and we enter day 2 with 0 information and 3 less potential townies. I really would like to push for a lunch in day 1. I'm not trying to be the guy who just says shit and does nothing. Even though I'm not voting now, I will vote my strongest scum read before phase ends but I really think that a lunch is required today. D1 13-2-1 D2 12-2-2 If we go with no lynch D1 (2 possibly infected and 1 cultist converter) D3 9-4-3 If we mislynch D2 (with 2 converted Zombies and 2 converted cultists) So while I was thinking about it tend to agree with you line of thinking unless we are in a very bad T/T leading the lynch situation or RVS lynch is about to go down. With limited chances to kill Zombies and Cultist we need to nip them in the bud as early as possible but mislynching along the way just makes it easier for those exponential growth to kill us even quicker. So while I do not think NL is the best choice I think it deserves some consideration depending on what type of situation we find ourselves in. Problem this creates is mislynch unlike other mafia games is extremely detremential here 3 mislynches and town will be in a very bad spot. yep your right i was def wrong bringing up the no lynch option i feel, another thing that i think would bother me alot are people that claim i dont think im gonna trust a single claim during this game. What do you mean by that? At worst you should be able to trust the first day claims as this is the only time we can be sure that they are town. |
Apr 7, 2017 5:46 AM
#282
yurkin said: The thing is we still get information on their partner or anyone they may convert later down the line (though it isn't easy to come by). The way this happens is by looking into interactions after you we a zombie flip. Personally I think I would rather get a Zombie on D1 since the cult leader is the only one who can further spread the cult while the zombies can all spread infections. #251 Hmm, thats the opposite of what i thought. As i see it, the zombies can take it easy, since even if one of them is lynched that won't lead to the identity of the second; it won't be so easy to beat the zombie fraction, as infection take time to develop, not fast but steady. Still there are the two (potential, one back up) priests thats able to fight the zombies, but is there a way to fight the cult? I need to reread the abilities, but once the cult start to spread is there a mechanism or ability enable to slow down its growth? |
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Apr 7, 2017 5:47 AM
#283
yurkin said: grrr has 4 before I switched to Kit. I dont think Doki is scum, with the distribution of votes right now 3/3 grrr/doki anyone can hop on the doki train... As I understand it there is a 3-way tie for the lead Kit/grrr/Doki all have 3 votes each I believe. |
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Apr 7, 2017 5:47 AM
#284
Rinto-kun said: Get it together...Ouch. I deeply apologize to everyone for forgetting about this game ;_; Please forgive me T.T |
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Apr 7, 2017 5:48 AM
#285
Sleipnirr said: When you see the two claims I want to know if you really believe this. And if you do then your vote should be on Penta right now.Shinichi-Kun said: logic340 said: Shinichi-Kun said: I agree but with lynching being our primary way of gather information it becomes imperative that we lynch. So if the situation arises at the EoD1 where I am not comfortable with either target I would probably bring up the idea though I know it will come with repercussions. I did the math last night 3 mislynches with everything else going right for Zombies and Cultists and this game is over EoD3.logic340 said: CorruptedPurity said: Actaully D2 we would go into it with 0 information from the lynch and the possibility of two infected townies (who wont turn Zombie until start of D3). Shinichi-Kun said: CorruptedPurity said: Shinichi-Kun said: Btw ik this is weird after all my voting posts about cp, i think no lynch might be better tho this is just my opinion cause it makes it harder for a pr to get converted with mre people alive, tho its obviously better if we could manage to lynch one of the converters roles day 1. Tbh, in a game like this with both a cult and a zombie, scum(or anti-town) will increase exponentially. It's better to nip the flower at the bud. Kill of the cult leader/zombie before it starts laying eggs. You say this lol but gotta help is find the so called zombie and cult leaders. Idm quoting this as it's short and easier on my mobile. I'm just saying that nl shouldn't even be an option this game. I actually wouldn't mind nl in other setups (even though I never expressed my interest in nl before), but I think that not lynching day 1 in this particular set up is just asking for it. Night falls. Cultist cults one, zombies infect 2 and we enter day 2 with 0 information and 3 less potential townies. I really would like to push for a lunch in day 1. I'm not trying to be the guy who just says shit and does nothing. Even though I'm not voting now, I will vote my strongest scum read before phase ends but I really think that a lunch is required today. D1 13-2-1 D2 12-2-2 If we go with no lynch D1 (2 possibly infected and 1 cultist converter) D3 9-4-3 If we mislynch D2 (with 2 converted Zombies and 2 converted cultists) So while I was thinking about it tend to agree with you line of thinking unless we are in a very bad T/T leading the lynch situation or RVS lynch is about to go down. With limited chances to kill Zombies and Cultist we need to nip them in the bud as early as possible but mislynching along the way just makes it easier for those exponential growth to kill us even quicker. So while I do not think NL is the best choice I think it deserves some consideration depending on what type of situation we find ourselves in. Problem this creates is mislynch unlike other mafia games is extremely detremential here 3 mislynches and town will be in a very bad spot. yep your right i was def wrong bringing up the no lynch option i feel, another thing that i think would bother me alot are people that claim i dont think im gonna trust a single claim during this game. What do you mean by that? At worst you should be able to trust the first day claims as this is the only time we can be sure that they are town. |
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Apr 7, 2017 5:48 AM
#286
logic340 said: Sleipnirr said: As the number of scum increase actually lynching scum will become easier. I don't know about throwning out reads completely as tonal and behavioral changes could lead us to potential scum due to conversions. okay I will start backreading rn from what I understand reading the setup there is not going to be nk instead conversion. So this game will be more centered around mind games rather than suspicions as you wont be able to trust your reads whole game (if you are thinking about that I suggest you change that mentality) We have to take each days' posts as independent post as someone might be converted and honestly if we dont get a scum flip first day I think its gonna be very hard to win this game. The host didnt specify but I am assuming that they will be able to convert in the first night so in day 2 we will have at least 4 scums and with each day its gonna keep getting harder and harder since we cant just universally town read someone and decrease our poe list. Anyway as always if you wanna talk or want my opinion on something just tag my name I will answer it as best as I can Not throwing out reads throwing out your town reads. You can still scum read people just not town read as that might affect your mentality and you would become unwilling to lynch that person and if that person is turned into a cultist then that town read can make town potentially lose the game. Secondly yeah it will be easier to lynch scum but their number will keep growing but if we get a scum in the first its gonna be huge for town and we can potentially stop a faction before even becoming a real threat to town. |
Apr 7, 2017 5:49 AM
#287
logic340 said: Sleipnirr said: When you see the two claims I want to know if you really believe this. And if you do then your vote should be on Penta right now.Shinichi-Kun said: logic340 said: Shinichi-Kun said: I agree but with lynching being our primary way of gather information it becomes imperative that we lynch. So if the situation arises at the EoD1 where I am not comfortable with either target I would probably bring up the idea though I know it will come with repercussions. I did the math last night 3 mislynches with everything else going right for Zombies and Cultists and this game is over EoD3.logic340 said: CorruptedPurity said: Actaully D2 we would go into it with 0 information from the lynch and the possibility of two infected townies (who wont turn Zombie until start of D3). Shinichi-Kun said: CorruptedPurity said: Shinichi-Kun said: Btw ik this is weird after all my voting posts about cp, i think no lynch might be better tho this is just my opinion cause it makes it harder for a pr to get converted with mre people alive, tho its obviously better if we could manage to lynch one of the converters roles day 1. Tbh, in a game like this with both a cult and a zombie, scum(or anti-town) will increase exponentially. It's better to nip the flower at the bud. Kill of the cult leader/zombie before it starts laying eggs. You say this lol but gotta help is find the so called zombie and cult leaders. Idm quoting this as it's short and easier on my mobile. I'm just saying that nl shouldn't even be an option this game. I actually wouldn't mind nl in other setups (even though I never expressed my interest in nl before), but I think that not lynching day 1 in this particular set up is just asking for it. Night falls. Cultist cults one, zombies infect 2 and we enter day 2 with 0 information and 3 less potential townies. I really would like to push for a lunch in day 1. I'm not trying to be the guy who just says shit and does nothing. Even though I'm not voting now, I will vote my strongest scum read before phase ends but I really think that a lunch is required today. D1 13-2-1 D2 12-2-2 If we go with no lynch D1 (2 possibly infected and 1 cultist converter) D3 9-4-3 If we mislynch D2 (with 2 converted Zombies and 2 converted cultists) So while I was thinking about it tend to agree with you line of thinking unless we are in a very bad T/T leading the lynch situation or RVS lynch is about to go down. With limited chances to kill Zombies and Cultist we need to nip them in the bud as early as possible but mislynching along the way just makes it easier for those exponential growth to kill us even quicker. So while I do not think NL is the best choice I think it deserves some consideration depending on what type of situation we find ourselves in. Problem this creates is mislynch unlike other mafia games is extremely detremential here 3 mislynches and town will be in a very bad spot. yep your right i was def wrong bringing up the no lynch option i feel, another thing that i think would bother me alot are people that claim i dont think im gonna trust a single claim during this game. What do you mean by that? At worst you should be able to trust the first day claims as this is the only time we can be sure that they are town. Havent made it that far yet. |
Apr 7, 2017 5:50 AM
#288
Apr 7, 2017 5:52 AM
#289
Sleipnirr said: See with knowing that conversations can happen I do not agree with throwing out all town reads. This is my first time in this type of setup but especially as early as D2 I wont be throwing out my town reads so easily. Why? Because only one person can be converted N1. Why throw out all my work from D1 when only 1 out for the remaining 14-15 players has the chance of being converted? Sounds silly to me honestly, now on D3 when there is the potential for 3 more conversions then it makes a whole lot more sense. I can understand being ready but some of what I am reading seems more like fear mongering based on the setup. logic340 said: Sleipnirr said: okay I will start backreading rn from what I understand reading the setup there is not going to be nk instead conversion. So this game will be more centered around mind games rather than suspicions as you wont be able to trust your reads whole game (if you are thinking about that I suggest you change that mentality) We have to take each days' posts as independent post as someone might be converted and honestly if we dont get a scum flip first day I think its gonna be very hard to win this game. The host didnt specify but I am assuming that they will be able to convert in the first night so in day 2 we will have at least 4 scums and with each day its gonna keep getting harder and harder since we cant just universally town read someone and decrease our poe list. Anyway as always if you wanna talk or want my opinion on something just tag my name I will answer it as best as I can Not throwing out reads throwing out your town reads. You can still scum read people just not town read as that might affect your mentality and you would become unwilling to lynch that person and if that person is turned into a cultist then that town read can make town potentially lose the game. Secondly yeah it will be easier to lynch scum but their number will keep growing but if we get a scum in the first its gonna be huge for town and we can potentially stop a faction before even becoming a real threat to town. |
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Apr 7, 2017 5:56 AM
#290
Astros said: If we kill the priest then we make the Zombies chances of successful conversion higher as there's always the possibility they'll visit the priest on D1. There's also the chance of killing Sleepwalker or Psychic who help identify and prevent conversions. If we simply kill a villager then we increase the Cultists and Zombies chances of converting a PR. We would get more information if we allowed the three PR's I mentioned to act a single night. If we lynch them on D2 at least the Pathologist can help us identify someone innocent or guilty. CorruptedPurity said: Let you know once I catch up. @logic340You had time to think, where will your vote lie? And if you're choosing to keep it, why? |
Apr 7, 2017 5:57 AM
#291
logic340 said: Sleipnirr said: See with knowing that conversations can happen I do not agree with throwing out all town reads. This is my first time in this type of setup but especially as early as D2 I wont be throwing out my town reads so easily. Why? Because only one person can be converted N1. Why throw out all my work from D1 when only 1 out for the remaining 14-15 players has the chance of being converted? Sounds silly to me honestly, now on D3 when there is the potential for 3 more conversions then it makes a whole lot more sense. I can understand being ready but some of what I am reading seems more like fear mongering based on the setup. logic340 said: Sleipnirr said: As the number of scum increase actually lynching scum will become easier. I don't know about throwning out reads completely as tonal and behavioral changes could lead us to potential scum due to conversions. okay I will start backreading rn from what I understand reading the setup there is not going to be nk instead conversion. So this game will be more centered around mind games rather than suspicions as you wont be able to trust your reads whole game (if you are thinking about that I suggest you change that mentality) We have to take each days' posts as independent post as someone might be converted and honestly if we dont get a scum flip first day I think its gonna be very hard to win this game. The host didnt specify but I am assuming that they will be able to convert in the first night so in day 2 we will have at least 4 scums and with each day its gonna keep getting harder and harder since we cant just universally town read someone and decrease our poe list. Anyway as always if you wanna talk or want my opinion on something just tag my name I will answer it as best as I can Not throwing out reads throwing out your town reads. You can still scum read people just not town read as that might affect your mentality and you would become unwilling to lynch that person and if that person is turned into a cultist then that town read can make town potentially lose the game. Secondly yeah it will be easier to lynch scum but their number will keep growing but if we get a scum in the first its gonna be huge for town and we can potentially stop a faction before even becoming a real threat to town. Actually not 1 person but 3 Cultist will convert 1 and zombies will convert 2 |
Apr 7, 2017 6:14 AM
#292
Sleipnirr said: logic340 said: Sleipnirr said: logic340 said: Sleipnirr said: As the number of scum increase actually lynching scum will become easier. I don't know about throwning out reads completely as tonal and behavioral changes could lead us to potential scum due to conversions. okay I will start backreading rn from what I understand reading the setup there is not going to be nk instead conversion. So this game will be more centered around mind games rather than suspicions as you wont be able to trust your reads whole game (if you are thinking about that I suggest you change that mentality) We have to take each days' posts as independent post as someone might be converted and honestly if we dont get a scum flip first day I think its gonna be very hard to win this game. The host didnt specify but I am assuming that they will be able to convert in the first night so in day 2 we will have at least 4 scums and with each day its gonna keep getting harder and harder since we cant just universally town read someone and decrease our poe list. Anyway as always if you wanna talk or want my opinion on something just tag my name I will answer it as best as I can Not throwing out reads throwing out your town reads. You can still scum read people just not town read as that might affect your mentality and you would become unwilling to lynch that person and if that person is turned into a cultist then that town read can make town potentially lose the game. Secondly yeah it will be easier to lynch scum but their number will keep growing but if we get a scum in the first its gonna be huge for town and we can potentially stop a faction before even becoming a real threat to town. Actually not 1 person but 3 Cultist will convert 1 and zombies will convert 2 N1 - Cult Conversion which takes place D2 (1 Conversion) N2 - Potential for 2 Zombie conversions plus a second Cult Conversion (3 conversions) D3 - Start worst case scenario we have 4 (2 cult and 2zombie) conversions and have caught no scum yet. |
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Apr 7, 2017 6:15 AM
#293
Astros said: why was I tagged in this?Astros said: If we kill the priest then we make the Zombies chances of successful conversion higher as there's always the possibility they'll visit the priest on D1. There's also the chance of killing Sleepwalker or Psychic who help identify and prevent conversions. If we simply kill a villager then we increase the Cultists and Zombies chances of converting a PR. We would get more information if we allowed the three PR's I mentioned to act a single night. If we lynch them on D2 at least the Pathologist can help us identify someone innocent or guilty. CorruptedPurity said: Let you know once I catch up. @logic340You had time to think, where will your vote lie? And if you're choosing to keep it, why? |
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Apr 7, 2017 6:22 AM
#294
logic340 said: why was I tagged in this? logic340 said: @Astros other than D1 no lynch do you have any suspicions or town reads you would like to speak on in regards to the game? |
Apr 7, 2017 6:23 AM
#295
Astros said: ah....ok, will be patiently waiting. logic340 said: why was I tagged in this? logic340 said: @Astros other than D1 no lynch do you have any suspicions or town reads you would like to speak on in regards to the game? |
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Apr 7, 2017 6:43 AM
#296
logic340 said: Sleipnirr said: logic340 said: Sleipnirr said: See with knowing that conversations can happen I do not agree with throwing out all town reads. This is my first time in this type of setup but especially as early as D2 I wont be throwing out my town reads so easily. Why? Because only one person can be converted N1. Why throw out all my work from D1 when only 1 out for the remaining 14-15 players has the chance of being converted? Sounds silly to me honestly, now on D3 when there is the potential for 3 more conversions then it makes a whole lot more sense. I can understand being ready but some of what I am reading seems more like fear mongering based on the setup. logic340 said: Sleipnirr said: As the number of scum increase actually lynching scum will become easier. I don't know about throwning out reads completely as tonal and behavioral changes could lead us to potential scum due to conversions. okay I will start backreading rn from what I understand reading the setup there is not going to be nk instead conversion. So this game will be more centered around mind games rather than suspicions as you wont be able to trust your reads whole game (if you are thinking about that I suggest you change that mentality) We have to take each days' posts as independent post as someone might be converted and honestly if we dont get a scum flip first day I think its gonna be very hard to win this game. The host didnt specify but I am assuming that they will be able to convert in the first night so in day 2 we will have at least 4 scums and with each day its gonna keep getting harder and harder since we cant just universally town read someone and decrease our poe list. Anyway as always if you wanna talk or want my opinion on something just tag my name I will answer it as best as I can Not throwing out reads throwing out your town reads. You can still scum read people just not town read as that might affect your mentality and you would become unwilling to lynch that person and if that person is turned into a cultist then that town read can make town potentially lose the game. Secondly yeah it will be easier to lynch scum but their number will keep growing but if we get a scum in the first its gonna be huge for town and we can potentially stop a faction before even becoming a real threat to town. Actually not 1 person but 3 Cultist will convert 1 and zombies will convert 2 N1 - Cult Conversion which takes place D2 (1 Conversion) N2 - Potential for 2 Zombie conversions plus a second Cult Conversion (3 conversions) D3 - Start worst case scenario we have 4 (2 cult and 2zombie) conversions and have caught no scum yet. Oh right I forgot that they would wait for 1 day but if the players knows that they are infected do you think that they will play pro town? I dont believe that is the case (unless the player doesnt know that he is infected) Also I backread but I cant really understand the heat on penta that claim seems like something he would do and about grr's calim you know he is grr you cant say that he lied or told the truth. |
Apr 7, 2017 6:47 AM
#297
Kit said: So since no one was talking I actually went to verify this. In actuality you have only every once announced you RVS in this manner and it was due to being a late RVS vote in TGT game post #83. So no you do not always announce your RVS votes like you did here and I find it odd along with your other behavior thus far. logic340 said: i always announce my rvs whatHmm.....I like it spicy Kit Why announce your RVS like this I'm the imposter though so how does he get voted? |
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Apr 7, 2017 6:52 AM
#298
CorruptedPurity said: Just a cult member.yurkin said: #259 Really? If so i have misunderstood that XD lol. Well the situation of town doesn't look so bad then... It should be. I lost as a cult member in Lupa's ultimate mafia game before because of this. @aa-dono can you confirm if a converted cult member is considered a cultist or just a cult member? |
Apr 7, 2017 7:11 AM
#299
logic340 said: PentaFlare said: Also, what is up with this grrr train? "Oh, he claimed a PR, that's so scummy, we should lynch him". logic340 said: [quote=grrr message=50252890]Good morning peeps 12 am phase change is actually pretty good for me but was distracted last night so here I am. Back reading in a moment though not much seems to have happened so far. Vote: grrr I see some people are voting me. This is unfortunate since I am the priest. /quote] aa-dono said: grrr ☒ logic340, Oyasumi_Rosie, Qoco Doughkey ☒ reiynii, Rinto-kun, Kit Rinto-kun ☒ grrr logic340 ☒ Shinichi-Kun Oyasumi_Rosie ☒ yurkin Kit ☒ Doughkey Shinichi-Kun ☒ PentaFlare PentaFlare ☒ Ruu Not Voting Suzune-chan, CorruptedPurity, Astros, RE1031 Mod Note(s) @logic340 :) So Penta I have to ask if you are not reading the thread or if you are trying to protect grrr here? Three of the 4 votes came before his claim. He claimed under no pressure. It's grrr so I doubt anyone even believes the claim. If we don't believe the claim and think he is scummy we should certainly be voting here. My vote was RVS Rosie's vote seems more fluffy than serious Qoco says he wants to start fires grrr claims Priest with 3 votes on him and little pressure Vote Count RE places vote on grrr for pressure Honestly don't see anything wrong with any of the votes on grrr right now. I'm actually curious why you and @CorruptedPurity are shaming people off this train rather than trying to help figure grrr out so another Kitty Mafia doesn't happen? I'm not shaming the reasons people voted, I'm shaming that they are still voting for grrr even now. These are all fluff votes on a claimed PR. The only other attention payed to grrr is comments on how the claim seems scummy. That's makes the votes on this train really bad. A leading train of entirely fluff votes at this point in the phase is awful. |
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Apr 7, 2017 7:25 AM
#300
RE1031 said: I do kind of see the benefit of no lynch today (and today alone). There are plenty of power roles, and we may be able to nail at least one guilty player day 2 with the information gained night 1. There would be no new zombies and 1 more cult member. Let's face it, the chances of us lynching a guilty player today are basically none. And well, it's ironic I say this because the reason I voted for Shinichi-kun to begin with was because of the no lynch suggestion. And while I say there is a benefit, I think it's unlikely we'll go for no lynch. Because we just love getting information even at the expense of a townie. Going to bed soon, I hope more people respond when I wake up. Namely Penta and grrr. Ya sounds about right, pretty much an unavoidable situation unless we get really lucky lynching one of the converters. |
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