Basic Game V6: Kitty Mafia | Game End - Mafia Win!

RE1031 said:
Forgive me but I am actually slightly relieved. I did not want to be played by the same person 3 times.
It's an odd choice though that's for sure though.

But heh reading back this caught my eye:


Weirdly enough, grrr is my strongest town read. Voting last on a mislynch is one of the most un-mafia things anyone can do. That and given how he was already scummy in a good number of player's eyes, doesn't seem worth the risk.

logic340 said:
Sure, why not? I'm a leading suspect today just like most others on the train. Just being as transparent as I can be. Does posting this make me scum or something?

logic340 said:
I don't know about strongest but I agree with you. I've seen grrr twice (both town) and this grrr seems to fit. That being said I can't go full bore yet so I'll put him just on the town side of neutral for now.

What are your thoughts on Penta's lead suspects (gun to my head scum team)?

logic340 said:
I never said they were malicious though. What I did say is they were unwarranted since it had nothing to do with her. I asked her kindly the first time to let me be because it had nothing to do with her. She came back again and again, I don't think I misrepresented anything in that regard just spoke my mind on the situation I had to deal with.

So moving on to Claire and Grapefruit. What are you seeing with them that makes you think they could be scum now? I left my thoughts on them both yesterday. The focus on me and CP seems to stem from a previous game and not this one. I mean sure sorting people out early but basically labeling me and Purity scum from the jump is a whole other thing. Grapefruit seems to be out of character right now which could be due to the loss but I doubt it after seeing how hard he too LQ and Twins. I really want to hear from Claire regarding his meta...

amberwillow said:
Does it? Just thought that it's similar like how ya picked on RE replying to what was not meant for her xD

RE1031 said:

Not too sure.. But Claire has been shifting blame left and right without contributing anything. I sort of noticed this in twins - she frequently reminded us that she tried to save Sleipnirr. Reads, even inaccurate (or possibly especially inaccurate***), are actually helpful. What Grapefruit and Claire do - which is coming hard on people not because they are suspicious but because they are not being "helpful" only appears helpful on the surface.

amberwillow is neutral in my book. To be completely honest, my temporary vote on her day 1 was more of an OMGUS than anything. Although it is weird that she (or was it you? can't remember) initially suggested that I would be trying to protect either Claire or you because at the time I said I'd vote for Claire (paraphrased), I was confirming my role, meaning I'd know who my partners in crime are if I had any. Wouldn't make sense to say I was going to be voting for them then change my mind - it'd be better not to say it all.

As for Grapefruit, I don't know. I know I said his gameplay doesn't seem all to different from when he was town, but looking back, I can't actually tell. CorruptedPurity did say he was the one mainly responsible for starting the train, and now he's dead.

I guess for now what I'd do is analyze why mafia would want CorruptedPurity dead. I feel like taking a nap though.

edit: ***To elaborate on this, what I mean is inaccurate readings are the deal 99% of the time. What seems inaccurate is probably inaccurate, what seems accurate is probably inaccurate. So what seems inaccurate is just an unpopular read. Not something scum want to do. Scum would rather pick on an idea and blow it up. Maybes.

PentaFlare said:

From what I have seen, RE doesn't keep coming back at it. You won't let it go, so RE is forced to respond to you everytime saying the same thing. You are the driving force, so it is misrepresentation to say that RE keeps messing up your approach. If you just let this point go and move on, it would resolve itself.

I'll talk about others once I've caught up anyway so that should answer the rest of it when it happens.

logic340 said:
We've already worked it out between me and RE but thanks. What do you think about willows early look into RE? Do you feel it was coming from a town mindset because that is what i was trying to gauge in my conversation with willow not RE's alignment.

logic340 said:
@_Claire_ I'm really suspicious of you right now. I need to see of you have a meta read on CP (i know I asked for one) cause if your didn't your push on Purity looks really bad in my eyes.

_Claire_ said:
Think logically.
If I were scum, why would I kill CP? It puts me in bad position, it is obvious I am being framed now.

_Claire_ said:
Think logically.
If I were scum, why would I kill CP? It puts me in bad position, it is obvious I am being framed now.

Kit said:
CorruptedPurrity has been meowdered during the night! TwT

_Claire_ said:
Also I am not the only one pushing for CP, Penta and Grape too. But its funny how once again its me who gets all the blame. Also cant help but feel like Penta/Logic are trying to divert attention from the main wagon.

You can investigate all my posts you want but you wont get the flip you want.
I hope towns are sensible enough to know I wont do such risky things as killing CP. JUST THINK.

Towns have been speculating left and right that if CP is town I will be scum.
Why would I kill CP it will put a lot lot of attention on me. You can say this is reverse psychology but seeing the past few games, towns are so dead on scummy behaviours that they dont care about the other obvious one. I am not that stupid to kill CP and put me in such bad position.

Grapefruit21 said:

This is the post I was referring to about wilfully ignoring a meta correction to keep pushing a narrative. I tell you this is the norm for me and you've witnessed the exception and give you other games as evidence and you insist that I have changed this game. You seem to really want to get me lynched and aren't willing to check and see if the basis for the read is correct. Even if you don't want to check the other games there are people here who you could ask to verify if it is unusual for me to act like this D1.

_Claire_ said:
Vote: Pentaflare

Stupid me, I dont even need to ask.
Sorry you get caught :>

logic340 said:
Hmmm.....I'm quite interested in seeing how this goes. You are good at fake claiming so the claim is NAI to me at the moment.

_Claire_ said:

Is it me or youre shrugging off my claim?

_Claire_ said:
I think I should just be out about it, it is frustrating to see whats going on.

@Pentaflare I saw you visiting CP last night. What were you doing if you care to answer?

logic340 said:
I hope it's a real claim. I don't know what to make of you the timing is crazy. Though after reading your claim and reading Penta's first post of the day, I could see some truth in plain sight possibly going on which I know Penta is good for as scum. I just find it odd that instead of just coming straight out with it you argue for a moment before doing it? I need others opinions maybe you're a vengeful mafia and going Kamekazi again? IDK Your D1 isn't helping me to believe your claimed results.

PentaFlare said:

I'm a vanilla townie.
Vote: _Claire_

logic340 said:
unvote
I need a time to think about this.

How I feel about the situation:
We definitely got someone here.
-Penta is scum lying about their role
-Claire made an incredibly shortsighted move as mafia

PentaFlare said:
So, Claire has just triggered one of her major scumtells in a game. When she is scum and is heavily suspected, especially early on, she will not try to defend herself by interacting with the players who suspect her and trying to change her mind. Town Claire will do this, usually getting very emotional in the process. However, mafia Claire will either just try and pull an emotion defense ("there is nothing I can defend myself with when it is only day 1. What could you expect me to do?" kind of thing) which is how I got her as scum in Shounen Crossover, or she will switch the argument to be about mechanics instead of mindset and past actions.

This is definitely Claire's scum game.

_Claire_ said:

Just so you know, I am not that stupid. I thought you saw me playing more than a couple of times, you think I will do something this stupid as mafia?

PentaFlare said:
She has switched our situation to be about mechanics by making a claim, trying to force it into being a me vs her situation and will focus on the lack of ability to support my VT claim instead of focusing on how she has tried to achieve a town win condition this game.

PentaFlare said:

No. You aren't stupid. You are smart enough to know when you are in hot water and need to change the discussion which is why you would come up with a fakeclaim. Something that incriminates someone heavily so that they are under more lynch pressure than you.

_Claire_ said:

Ohh hold on you played with me, uhm.. half a year ago? more? 8 months? 9?
I guess my adaption sucks because my playstyle hasnt changed since last year.

_Claire_ said:

Lol why would I do this? others want to see CP's train, and I could just easily defend myself and such, I have a good chance of not getting lynched with how suspicious the train last day phase.

_Claire_ said:

Just so you know, I am not that stupid. I thought you saw me playing more than a couple of times, you think I will do something this stupid as mafia?

_Claire_ said:

Behaviour isnt everything. I caught you mechanically.

PentaFlare said:

Alright, so if you have adapted your game and think you can defend yourself by showing a town motivation in the way you have approached the game, you could start with the question I brought up to you about posturing a read on Corrupted.

PentaFlare said:

then why did you ignore my question? It seems to me that you were too worried to discuss your actions this game with me because you know that I don't stop pushing until I am convinced someone is town instead or they are lynched. That was awfully specific timing to suddenly make this claim.

_Claire_ said:

I would write it I am in the train atm, and something going on later so the read may come up late.

Oh this is a very strange attitude. If you are TRULY a VT, then you should have said I were lying and such, not trying to prove my point because if you are VT you know that you are right and I am wrong.

PentaFlare said:

Here's the thing though, if I just sit here and say you are wrong over and over again, I'm not really doing anything. I know your wrong, but I need to show that to the town so that is why I'm pressuring you to answer my question instead of dodging a prompt about a really scummy post of yours.

logic340 said:
@_Claire_ let's say Penta is scum who are his teammates? Are the "Gun to my Head" scum teen cleared as town if he's scum?

PentaFlare said:
You aren't cleared on your "facts" Claire. If there was no information about us other than the fact that we both made these claims, it would be 50/50 to guess who is yelling the truth. However, because there is more information, a careful analysis can be done and the odds will different. I intend to show that the likelihood of you being town is very unlikely.

_Claire_ said:

Nah it is clear to me though, if towns intend to let another misleading like my last mafia game and refused to see the truth that I presented to them, I have no idea what to do.