| Why are people still pinging Bursama for information. He has already stayed that he he had no interest in defending himself or sharing ideas. Wouldn't our time be better spent questioning others to male sure he has the strongest scum read of us all? |
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| because no one asked you to, because it makes it easier for scum to hunt power roles by eliminating who has claimed vanilla (in the event that you live), because the rules say not to determine alignments from flavor so claiming your flavor is misleading/distracting |
| food for though, bur is town. who should we lynch instead? |
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Oyasumi_Rosie said: I'm responding to multiple people as I catch up. I had a question for Bursama, so I asked itWhy are people still pinging Bursama for information. He has already stayed that he he had no interest in defending himself or sharing ideas. Wouldn't our time be better spent questioning others to male sure he has the strongest scum read of us all? Soren said: I'm feeling Lucian because he seems to contradict himself often. But I'm not sure.food for though, bur is town. who should we lynch instead? |
Kit said: ive got some eerie suspicions of lucian too but havent voiced them yet cause its nothing concreteOyasumi_Rosie said: I'm responding to multiple people as I catch up. I had a question for Bursama, so I asked itWhy are people still pinging Bursama for information. He has already stayed that he he had no interest in defending himself or sharing ideas. Wouldn't our time be better spent questioning others to male sure he has the strongest scum read of us all? Soren said: I'm feeling Lucian because he seems to contradict himself often. But I'm not sure.food for though, bur is town. who should we lynch instead? |
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| @Kit: I don't know if you have this tendency of not claiming even when you are about to get lynched, but where I come from we usually claim at L-2. (Okay, I claimed bit earlier than I should've, since I claimed at L-3, but I doubt that it really would've mattered). And when you claim, you claim everything. (And besides, how's claiming my flavour along with everything else misleading/distracting? It's NAI at best.) @Soren: Why am I town to you? |
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Bursama said: Were you really at L-2 at the time? I wasn't keeping up, sorry. (edit: and apparently i didn't even read your whole post. ok you were at L-3) I've never been leading in votes before, so the only time I've claimed was when I had cop checks, and when my role was discovered without me claiming. I'm also not used to playing in games with hammers so it felt really early to me, especially when no one asked you to claim.@Kit: I don't know if you have this tendency of not claiming even when you are about to get lynched, but where I come from we usually claim at L-2. (Okay, I claimed bit earlier than I should've, since I claimed at L-3, but I doubt that it really would've mattered). And when you claim, you claim everything. (And besides, how's claiming my flavour along with everything else misleading/distracting? It's NAI at best.) @Soren: Why am I town to you? |
| the ones in your #198? 1. to answer that question i need to know why you want to post higher quality posts 2. trying to convince you that logic is town is pointless when i thought you were scum, only town needs a lecture to make them re-consider their reads 3. it being opportunistic doesnt mean you didnt have your reasons |
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I want something more define than this. |
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| why, you're getting lynched anyways |
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Soren said: why, you're getting lynched anyways Share for the living then |
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| i'll tell when bur responds |
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Soren said: i'll tell when bur responds Unless you meant something else than #912, I don't have really anything. |
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🌟 Vote Count 2.3 (Unchanged) 🌟  Bursama (6): Gruffin, logic340, Grapefruit21, Kit, Sonata, Bursama [L-1] Kit (1): Oyasumi_Rosie Not Voting (6): Phraze, aa-dono, Soren, Lord_Sithis, PentaFlare, LucianRoy With 13 alive, it’s 7 players to majority lynch. If a majority lynch is not achieved by the deadline, the player with the most votes will be lynched instead. >>Day 2 Timer<< |
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Bursama said: I'm not understanding what you mean. I tagged you because it's your behavior I'm talking about in my post.it's not about what I want mafia isn't about you appeasing me or vice versa for me it's about working together to accomplish our shared win condition. The way you have shut down, claimed with no provocation, and have resigned yourself to your fate. This feels too much like D1 EoD and we're just past halfway through this phase. You were all for an informative flip yesterday do you feel that way about your own flip?@logic340 Was there something you wanted me to say, or did you just ping me for fun? (#887) @pentaflare Nope. I said it earlier and I'm saying it now: Not going to defend myself, since there's not really anything I can say. My reads are more or less (in order of towniness): logic/Lucian >> Soren>Rest Why do my reads matter to you? |
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LucianRoy said: PentaFlare said: Also, I would like to place a theoretical vote on @burnsama. I'm not hammering yet, but consider this a trial. I'm giving you a chance to defend yourself. I would like this to include the person you find the most scummy out of everyone alive. It's called "intent to hammer." ^ That thing. I was blanking on my terminology. |
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PentaFlare said: Oh huh that could make sense, more than Jester anyway. You think that kind of role could be in basic? I always forget about roles I've never encountered before. Why would he claim vanilla, then?Gruffin said: But isn't Jester commonly considered a bastard role? This is a basic game. I think a jester in this set-up is very very unlikely. I wouldn't be surprised to see a vengeful of either alignment |
Bursama said: @logic340 Was there something you wanted me to say, or did you just ping me for fun? (#887) @pentaflare Nope. I said it earlier and I'm saying it now: Not going to defend myself, since there's not really anything I can say. My reads are more or less (in order of towniness): logic/Lucian >> Soren>Rest Why do my reads matter to you? If you don't provide reads it isn't possible to solve the game. If you are town you would have reads so you can solve the game and catch scum. If you were town and we were about to lynch you, even if you have given up, you could at least provide some scum reads to give an idea of who you suspect to help your fellow townies. The only people who wouldn't give reads in this situation is a scum would didn't want to give hints about who their scummates might be. |
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logic340 said: Bursama said: I'm not understanding what you mean. I tagged you because it's your behavior I'm talking about in my post.it's not about what I want mafia isn't about you appeasing me or vice versa for me it's about working together to accomplish our shared win condition. The way you have shut down, claimed with no provocation, and have resigned yourself to your fate. This feels too much like D1 EoD and we're just past halfway through this phase.@logic340 Was there something you wanted me to say, or did you just ping me for fun? (#887) @pentaflare Nope. I said it earlier and I'm saying it now: Not going to defend myself, since there's not really anything I can say. My reads are more or less (in order of towniness): logic/Lucian >> Soren>Rest Why do my reads matter to you? Ok. You were all for an informative flip yesterday do you feel that way about your own flip? Yes. |
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Kit said: PentaFlare said: Oh huh that could make sense, more than Jester anyway. You think that kind of role could be in basic? I always forget about roles I've never encountered before. Why would he claim vanilla, then?I think a jester in this set-up is very very unlikely. I wouldn't be surprised to see a vengeful of either alignment Claiming vanilla as scum vengeful makes sense, claiming vanilla as town vengeful doesn't seem like the best idea, but I can see why someone might try that. |
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PentaFlare said: Bursama said: @logic340 Was there something you wanted me to say, or did you just ping me for fun? (#887) @pentaflare Nope. I said it earlier and I'm saying it now: Not going to defend myself, since there's not really anything I can say. My reads are more or less (in order of towniness): logic/Lucian >> Soren>Rest Why do my reads matter to you? If you don't provide reads it isn't possible to solve the game. If you are town you would have reads so you can solve the game and catch scum. If you were town and we were about to lynch you, even if you have given up, you could at least provide some scum reads to give an idea of who you suspect to help your fellow townies. The only people who wouldn't give reads in this situation is a scum would didn't want to give hints about who their scummates might be. Since when has lynched town's reads have mattered? (Protip: They have never.) |
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| can we lynch someone else, bur is town we do not like his behaviour atm but not for the reason that its scum motivated |
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Bursama said: I guess I will have to take you at your word.logic340 said: I'm not understanding what you mean. I tagged you because it's your behavior I'm talking about in my post.it's not about what I want mafia isn't about you appeasing me or vice versa for me it's about working together to accomplish our shared win condition. The way you have shut down, claimed with no provocation, and have resigned yourself to your fate. This feels too much like D1 EoD and we're just past halfway through this phase. Ok. You were all for an informative flip yesterday do you feel that way about your own flip? Yes. |
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Bursama said: PentaFlare said: If you don't provide reads it isn't possible to solve the game. If you are town you would have reads so you can solve the game and catch scum. If you were town and we were about to lynch you, even if you have given up, you could at least provide some scum reads to give an idea of who you suspect to help your fellow townies. The only people who wouldn't give reads in this situation is a scum would didn't want to give hints about who their scummates might be. Since when has lynched town's reads have mattered? (Protip: They have never.) Of course they matter. If you flip town, looking back on your reads and your thought process can give insight into other players. You are hiding all that from us. As I've said, the only people who want to keep information about other players from town is mafia. |
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Soren said: can we lynch someone else, bur is town we do not like his behaviour atm but not for the reason that its scum motivated It sure is scum motivated. There is no other reason to hide your reads when you are about to be lynched. |
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Sonata said: when i said someone else i didnt mean meUnvote. Vote: Soren |
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Soren said: Do you have a better suggestion, even if it's just a pressure vote? I don't necessarily feel right about my vote right now as I wanted to pressure and see where things lead but this was beyond my expectations.can we lynch someone else, bur is town we do not like his behaviour atm but not for the reason that its scum motivated |
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PentaFlare said: he's not hidingSoren said: can we lynch someone else, bur is town we do not like his behaviour atm but not for the reason that its scum motivated It sure is scum motivated. There is no other reason to hide your reads when you are about to be lynched. he gave his town reads in his #900 and have expressed that he has no scum reads how is that hiding? |
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Sonata said: Just want to correct you here, my RVS vote was on Bursama, then i switched my vote to 40 with a case against him. Bursama was the first to point out 40's scumminess, but didn't include a vote early on. So the votes were more like (Kit, Soren, Logic, Bursama) but the pointing of suspicion was more like (Bursama, Kit, Soren)Besides, I think everyone can look at vote counts from day 1 and put the pieces together aswell, it's not like I'm the only one who can do that. If I remember correctly, the train on 0x40 was started by Soren, logic340 (who had the train on himself previously) and Bursama in that order, with Kit being an RVS vote or something. I'm not claiming to be a great player or something, but I find it quite obvious with that and the fact that Soren has only defended one single player this game (Bursama) from being attacked with questioning about her actions and didn't defend 0x40 when he was under attack from doing the same thing. It's just my gut, I'm not unhappy with a Bursama lynch, so move on with the discussion and maybe I'll change my opinion if I see something unusual. |
logic340 said: yeeSoren said: Do you have a better suggestion, even if it's just a pressure vote? I don't necessarily feel right about my vote right now as I wanted to pressure and see where things lead but this was beyond my expectations.can we lynch someone else, bur is town we do not like his behaviour atm but not for the reason that its scum motivated vote: lucnaory |
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| oh the typo is strong in that one Vote: lucianroy |
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PentaFlare said: Of course they matter. If you flip town, looking back on your reads and your thought process can give insight into other players. You are hiding all that from us. As I've said, the only people who want to keep information about other players from town is mafia. And that has happened exactly when? How does my thought progress tell something about living players? You don't need to try to figure out my alignment at that point since I'm dead, so you can trust me reads, but... I can equally be wrong about everything or correct about everything. So tell me, how does dead town's reads help town to catch scum? |
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Soren said: PentaFlare said: he's not hidingIt sure is scum motivated. There is no other reason to hide your reads when you are about to be lynched. he gave his town reads in his #900 and have expressed that he has no scum reads how is that hiding? Because I do not believe that Bursama only has opinions on three players. They are hiding what they think about other players. It sounds like the usual tactic for a mafia who was caught by a check by a confirmed cop. If they are done anyway, don't give any hints as to who your teammates might be. |
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Kit said: Sonata said: Just want to correct you here, my RVS vote was on Bursama, then i switched my vote to 40 with a case against him. Bursama was the first to point out 40's scumminess, but didn't include a vote early on. So the votes were more like (Kit, Soren, Logic, Bursama) but the pointing of suspicion was more like (Bursama, Kit, Soren)Besides, I think everyone can look at vote counts from day 1 and put the pieces together aswell, it's not like I'm the only one who can do that. If I remember correctly, the train on 0x40 was started by Soren, logic340 (who had the train on himself previously) and Bursama in that order, with Kit being an RVS vote or something. I'm not claiming to be a great player or something, but I find it quite obvious with that and the fact that Soren has only defended one single player this game (Bursama) from being attacked with questioning about her actions and didn't defend 0x40 when he was under attack from doing the same thing. It's just my gut, I'm not unhappy with a Bursama lynch, so move on with the discussion and maybe I'll change my opinion if I see something unusual. I was talking off memory, so I'm not surprised I wasn't completely right. Point still stands tho. |
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| @Pentaflare feel free to vote Bursama up then, I removed my vote on her to place it on Soren. Unless you weren't planning on lynching her in the first place. |
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PentaFlare said: good point but he admitted defeat rather early and there has been no indication of a cop checkSoren said: he's not hiding he gave his town reads in his #900 and have expressed that he has no scum reads how is that hiding? Because I do not believe that Bursama only has opinions on three players. They are hiding what they think about other players. It sounds like the usual tactic for a mafia who was caught by a check by a confirmed cop. If they are done anyway, don't give any hints as to who your teammates might be. does your theory of such scum tactic still apply? |
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Bursama said: PentaFlare said: Of course they matter. If you flip town, looking back on your reads and your thought process can give insight into other players. You are hiding all that from us. As I've said, the only people who want to keep information about other players from town is mafia. And that has happened exactly when? How does my thought progress tell something about living players? You don't need to try to figure out my alignment at that point since I'm dead, so you can trust me reads, but... I can equally be wrong about everything or correct about everything. So tell me, how does dead town's reads help town to catch scum? Look, I'm not going to go find another game I've played where this has happened because that is more work than it is worth on mobile, but I assure you that I've seen scum caught based on the reads of townies that were lynched. I've been lynched as scum based on the accusations of a townie that was lynched. It is the worst situation to be in as scum, particularly if you helped lynch the person who made those accusations. You can't make stuff up to try and change their mind. If you are town, I don't see why you are hiding your reads. You have nothing to lose. |
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Soren said: logic340 said: yeeDo you have a better suggestion, even if it's just a pressure vote? I don't necessarily feel right about my vote right now as I wanted to pressure and see where things lead but this was beyond my expectations. vote: lucnaory Yeah man, that lucnaory guy gets on my nerves, lets get em. |
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Soren said: PentaFlare said: good point but he admitted defeat rather early and there has been no indication of a cop checkBecause I do not believe that Bursama only has opinions on three players. They are hiding what they think about other players. It sounds like the usual tactic for a mafia who was caught by a check by a confirmed cop. If they are done anyway, don't give any hints as to who your teammates might be. does your theory of such scum tactic still apply? Yup. I would say that if a scum player thought they were going to be lynched for sure (such as if they were a mutual scumread by just about the entire town), that they might give up in a similar manner and close off their reads. That is what I think I'm seeing here. Sonata said: @Pentaflare feel free to vote Bursama up then, I removed my vote on her to place it on Soren. Unless you weren't planning on lynching her in the first place. Vote: bursama |
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PentaFlare said: Soren said: good point but he admitted defeat rather early and there has been no indication of a cop check does your theory of such scum tactic still apply? Yup. I would say that if a scum player thought they were going to be lynched for sure (such as if they were a mutual scumread by just about the entire town), that they might give up in a similar manner and close off their reads. That is what I think I'm seeing here. Sonata said: @Pentaflare feel free to vote Bursama up then, I removed my vote on her to place it on Soren. Unless you weren't planning on lynching her in the first place. Vote: bursama Didn't you like, just ask that he be taken off L-1? |
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LucianRoy said: PentaFlare said: Yup. I would say that if a scum player thought they were going to be lynched for sure (such as if they were a mutual scumread by just about the entire town), that they might give up in a similar manner and close off their reads. That is what I think I'm seeing here. Vote: bursama Didn't you like, just ask that he be taken off L-1? I did a while back. I wanted to take time to look at other players. I also added intention to hammer a little later when I switched back to bursama. Part of my hesitation with the train was Gruffin's role in it when Gruffin was a suspect of mine. The time I spent looking st Gruffin in between made me more comfortable with the train enough to add intention to hammer. This is my follow up on the intention to hammer. |
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| I take full responsibily of my actions if this lynch ends up being bad by the way, but if it doesn't, Soren will be my next vote for sure. |
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