Basic Mafia v4: Haruhi Suzumiya Mafia | Game Over - Mafia and Third Party Win

logic340 said:
@Phraze I regards to Bursama NLA talk isn't really alignment indicative mostly speculation. We need reads and pressures I'd like to see people boring as that will help us determine behavior and where people stand with one another.

Bursama said:


It makes future VCA easier and draws attention to the one who hammers me.

LucianRoy said:

What if I told you... VCA is an unreliable tool and only works accurately 50% of the time, and what if I told you that your town!flip would set us back in reads more than it brought us forwards?

Bursama said:


It makes future VCA easier and draws attention to the one who hammers me.

Bursama said:
#1 I don't get this point. After you lynch me, you'd still see me flip.
#2 Because claiming VT somehow suddenly changed me into one.

Bursama said:
It makes future VCA easier and draws attention to the one who hammers me.

Gruffin said:
I'll get to Phraze's big post in a bit.

Burden of Proficiency.

Soren said:
link pls

Phraze said:

ok, there's one way to go around this. figure out who would hammer u and see how to case them.

Phraze said:
now would be a nice timing.
what was that again? I kinda drilled WIFOM into my head cuz u talked about it alot. but didn't hear that term much.

Bursama said:


This actually fits me quite well.

Vote: Bursama

Sonata said:
Is Bursama fluffing jester or? Because it sure looks like it to me.

Also, that thing of Soren and the RVS was in my post last night, he's been quite selective with who to defend from the town's attention. It's quite interesting. If Bursama flips scum we have a second lynch ready it would seem.

logic340 said:
So in #505 you tell Sithis that he should keep comments that are not alignment indicative to himself. Yet you did the pretty much the same thing youself to Grapefruit in #116.

Phraze said:
yeah speculation. scum do not offer speculation, only accusations.

Kit said:
Okaaay seems like some weird stuff happening now? I'm not convinced Bursama is town from this, it could be a tactic to get us off him. His flavor claim makes me think he's either lying or that's his character and she's actually mafia aligned. I don't know enough of the show to really say who would be mafia but I looked on the wiki for the characters...

So I guess I'll leave my vote on while I go read everything I missed, since I only skimmed to see what Bursama said

Soren said:
i havent read the past 5 pages, can someone summarise the case on bur for me please?

LucianRoy said:
I figured it out! Suicidal jester. It only makes sense.

Maybe scum bomb?

Dunno, think outside the box.

Gruffin said:
But isn't Jester commonly considered a bastard role? This is a basic game.

Bursama said:


If you are going to think that flavour is any kind of indacator or alignment, you will be in a world of pain.
(It even reads on the rules)

Phraze said:
looks like I confused u with Gruffin haha. two GRs in the thread besides me was confusing xD
I meant Gruffin. Gruffin was lowkey posting and that's the same vibe I'm getting from those two.

@Gruffin pull out dat interaction analysis pls~ I wanna see how it works xD

Gruffin said:
I can't. ;-; Interaction analysis is more for scum flips or at least it is the way I do it, so I'm pretty useless in that regard until we catch at least one scum.

he explained himself on the time difference thing, helped. I'd describe Bursama as more of a casual player. my definition of evasive is forming own opinions without outside help, and debating with others to change it - self-orientated. yes I'm doing my best to work with u guys.

- remember Lucian's red/blue/greens? felt like what I thought. Sithis just HAS to mix in some negatives on someone in his posts. it's what I scumread him for before, besides the other stuff. we've never seen town!Sithis before, so I'm trying to be unbiased here. but this is a fact.

@Gruffin
forgot to add this to my reply:
Sithis gave plenty of negative statements on various players. only Soren and...Logic(?) were townread, and they were the obvious ones. Sithis townread them.

Gruffin said:
Hey guys, I think we should also look at Phraze too before ending D2.

Sonata said:
@LucianRoy I can't answer those on the fly, they are conclusions I reached last night by linking posts from day 1 to each other, and I wasn't gonna use my practice time before it's too dark to make noise doing so. I will do that now, but read my other posts first, I'm pretty sure I linked one post (#172 I think it was) that I found very important. Besides, I don't see anybody else questioning me about it so why would I make all that work to back up my conjecture if a Bursama lynch is on the way and that would make my job a lot easier.

To sum it up, I don't need to explain my votes or reads to you in particular

so I'd rather not give away too much information now that the only reason why I'd have to do so is to stop trying to put me in a bad light :/

Grapefruit21 said:
Good stuff rosie, and yeah the long posts are hard work, but they feel like winning and I like winning.

Grapefruit21 said:

Onto your reads. I think you did a good job hitting the highlights and making it easy to read. You're right in saying those three have worked well together and not put too much suspicion on each each other, but I think we might need a bit more evidence before we assume that those interactions are strong enough proof that they are a scum team. I like where you are going with this you just took a leap I am not ready to follow just yet. For instance while all three have worked together well I haven't seen overtly scummy behavior from two of them. Suspicious things sure but nothing that really makes me stop and scratch my head. And I think you could look at LucianRoy's interactions with Penta and Soren and draw a similar web of non conflict and team work between them.

Grapefruit21 said:

One other quibble I have is with a few of your negative interactions. For example you give Penta and Soren negative ratings with me when they moved off and town leaned me later. So I would classify those as mixed. The same is true for a few others such as Penta/Lord. Penta's vote has been everywhere so I'm not ruling out alignments based on Penta having voted for someone.

Grapefruit21 said:

I will have to keep an eye on Kit and Soren's interactions though, may have town read too early.

logic340 said:
]The first part of the post is rather informative thank you for sharing that. I would be really infested in seeing how people view my interactions with other players.

Gruffin said:


@Oyasumi_Rosie I noticed in your 782 that there is a lack of Bursama pairs. If Bursama flips scum, who do you think his team would be? I've got my suspicions, but I want to see what you find first.

Also, I want to warn you that townies buddy up and work together all the time, so I'll need more before I'll believe Kit/Soren are scumbuddies.

Grapefruit21 said:
@LucianRoy When did you town clear Soren to your satisfaction? Or are you still trying to get a read? You never (that I saw) came out and said after repeated claims that you were trying to sort Soren.

Soren said:
i havent read the past 5 pages, can someone summarise the case on bur for me please?

Soren said:
night rosie has a nice ring to it

Oyasumi_Rosie said:
Kit/Gruffin/Soren:I feel really confident in the idea that if we find out one is maifa, the other two will be as well. They work together well, and are prove haven't really strongly gone against each other.

aa-dono said:
I still think Lucian's scum. What you guys read as him scumhunting is what I see as stalling, and being suggestive but not taking the step himself, and riding on others' reads.
But it could also be that because I'm not recording or taking a memo, my memory fails me and this is not the case. But I dislike most of his replies (minus the jokes. Lucian's jokes are always pleasant to read :D ) so I'm not willing to let it go yet. I should make a proper case, but that too is unlikely now that I realize my own energy level T_T

Next:
- Kit. Something about the way he posts felt unlike town Kit. Then again, I don't know how he is as scum :/
He usually second guess or have this sort of calm demeanor when he decide on a lynch. But I think someone questioned him about it here, can't recall who about why he didn't see the town flip coming. I agree that you don't know who is scum until they actually flip, but there's that angle question that I thought Kit would have considered. but he didn't.
- Penta. This is really just a hunch. Started while me and Lucian had our very short back and forth.

Basically for now, those 3 are people I find scummy.

Phraze said:
here andddd stalker as usual... but before I start. just noticed Kit felt bad about what Logic said.. hope u guys take it easy.... I got into a fight with...Jack once, and was careful to never do that again x.x I feel ya @Kit, Denja said the same thing to me last game. let's not call each other useless next time ok? >.<

//offgame comment

logic340 said:
I read the happenings with Bursama 2 ways right now:
1. He is scum and his buddies aren't touching this shit with a 10 foot stick.
2. He really is town and there is no reason for the scum to do anything about it.

I tend to like #1 better but I cannot discount the possibility that #2 is happening as well. @Bursama I have never seen this behavior before I don't know how to categorize it.

PentaFlare said:
Also, I would like to place a theoretical vote on @burnsama. I'm not hammering yet, but consider this a trial. I'm giving you a chance to defend yourself. I would like this to include the person you find the most scummy out of everyone alive.

logic340 said:
I just noticed something, not that I want to get back into the whole 40 thing again but I just realized something. Who was it that used the fact that 40 switched their RVS vote as an argument for his lynch?

In post #19 40 gives his reason for the vote change and changes vote. In #18 Soren gives a weak reason by comparison and moves his vote.

So here is the questions for those of you who found 40's second RVS suspicious how come you never made the same suspicions know in regards to Soren (1 post earlier)? It seems to me that someone got a pass while another player didn't.

LucianRoy said:
Posts like this are new town, I just didn't want to say it earlier because I like seeing new-players stand up for themselves and not get the luxury of being thrown in the town pile.

Phraze said:
he mentioned that offgame too. tho he's flying under the radar in the sense I don't see SOREN WALL owo;

LucianRoy said:

Ya see, this is really anti-town, counterproductive, and essentially scummy. Throwing in the towel and claiming VT when you've received a bit of pressure isn't the townie way of handling defense when playing vanilla town because a) it shortens the pool of players who are actual PRs, and b) it's a major cop-out to avoid actually defending one's self. There are like, three separate cases on you, and you chose to not respond to a single one? Major dodginess right there.

Gruffin said:
Soren:
Something interesting I noticed was part of Kit's case against 0x40 was based on having two RVS votes, but look at this: 6 and 18 @Kit???

Gruffin said:
Burden of Proficiency.