Basic Mafia v4: Haruhi Suzumiya Mafia | Game Over - Mafia and Third Party Win

rosielovesanime said:
it was their first post? I mean it's impossible to read tone esp in early game but something in it set off my warning bells.

logic340 said:
Alright back from my rest and......2 new posts.....ok. Hm this feels like dejavu to an extent.

We have 6 out of 15 players who I would class as failry inactive to start the game - Phraze (RVS Vote), aa-dono (5 posts), Bursama (6 posts), Sonata (4 posts), and rosielovesanime (3 posts). It's hard to make behavioral analysis when there is so little to go off of.
Phraze - We have history an RVS on me doesn't tell me anything either way.
aa-dono - Tells us she'll be busy this phase, drops vote on Lucian with questions, answers Pentas question about her vote, says she'll be back. Nothing that looks scummy here. Nothing that says town either.
Bursama - Something feels off about his first post. It looks like it's doing something but most are just one line questions or responses. He asked me something specifically and hasn't responded to my answer yet don't know if he missed it or if he just wasn't that interested in my response as he posted shortly after I did. Other than the whole mudslinging thing with 0x40 I don't know where he stand on much of anything.
Sonata - Doesn't like D1 lynches, I can understand that. Post #250 stand out to me. I like the question but to that point is that really the only question they could have to ask? Seems like a lot has happened to only be asking that one question. Still need more to go on.
rosielovesanime - I'm not following what made them suspicious of Grapefruit.

Of these 6 the ones that stand out the most to me are Bursama, rosielovesanime and Sonata.

for aesthetics!? What time is it where you live?

quote this

I noticed that in the thread I was reading was unsure if it was typical or not but in it the town was not close making up their minds with five minutes to go. To the town in general this deadline we are approaching will be 7am New Year's day. I'll try to have an informed decision in before hand, but don't wait to dazzle me till last minute. Not going to work.

Bursama said:


If you are suspicious these people, why aren't you questioning them? Like, the best way to get my reads is to ask me about them.

@Kit: I'm fully aware I haven't voted yet. I want to take a look at few things before that.

Grapefruit21 said:
I noticed that in the thread I was reading was unsure if it was typical or not but in it the town was not close making up their minds with five minutes to go. To the town in general this deadline we are approaching will be 7am New Year's day. I'll try to have an informed decision in before hand, but don't wait to dazzle me till last minute. Not going to work.

logic I've had a town lean on you for a while now, but I'd like to know why you were so casual in handling the train on you? I know that there were some RVS votes on you, but a 5 strong train has 5 votes regardless of how good the reasons are.

Bursama said:
@logic340 How experienced are you? This is an important question.

logic said:
this is my sixth game I've been town in all previous games. I never heard of mafia before playing in the werewolf game so I'm learning in the fly. My stats and links to the games I've played previously are on my profile for it viewing pleasure.

LucianRoy said:

I have a town tell? Wish I knew that last game.
This vote and push seems really vague. Gimme other reads. Like on gruf or logic for ex.

PentaFlare said:
@Soren What do you think about Grapefruit saying their own statement is non-commital?

My instinct is to see it as mafia being both non-commital and being super self-aware, but I don't see a mafia member highlighting a fault in their posting like that.

aa-dono said:
When Mishu was scum, he did something like that. Highlighting his fault. So I guess mafia could do that. So cut the but and trust your instinct ;)
Sorry can't help it. I want to say something senpai-like. Haha

@Phraze where you at?

There is no reason for me to panic as I feel that this train will work itself out while I use my POV to start figuring out alignment.

logic340 said:
@Phraze what do you think about my current train? How do you feel about Gruffin's case against me?

So do you think that Grapefruit is scum using the same tactic Mishu did or just a coincidence?

Phraze said:
@logic340
address or timezone? gmt +8. not sure if it'll help things since my sleeptime fluctuates. all-nighter until recently.
we sure think alike. besides that, paranoia in general helps me sort out ppl's alignments.

@Phraze what do you think about my current train? How do you feel about Gruffin's case against me?

I meant where you at like where are you at in the thread. Sorry should have been more specific. Leading the vote does have it's advantages disadvantages too but I can really see things differently than if I had no heat at all. Just the way people approach me right now feel different than anything I have faced so far in my mafia career. I hope I get good information and experience from this

Grapefruit21 said:
@Sonata you express not wanting to lynch day 1 but your first post is as the 3rd vote on a train. If you feel the lynch is necessary why bring up your reluctance to lynch? And if you don't want to actually follow through why immediately deflate any pressure your vote could give? Can you explain how you reconcile those two statements?

@Gruffin Can you describe your general approach to day 1s? Especially when one that has mostly moved out of RVS. I want to understand your mindset as you are in the middle of a lot of things right now.

@rosielovesanime If you've had time to read the rest of the thread has your opinion on me changed?

@LucianRoy Can you talk through your buddying with Soren? It reads very differently to me from Atsuki no Yona.

@ people not posting the day phases are too short to lurk through and coast if I can't find scum I will lynch a lurker. And stop posting walls that are +80% summaries of what has happened. That's what notes are for.

logic340 said:
@Grapefruit phase change on MAL can get pretty hectic when people who have skipped must of the phase want to show up and vote. I find an inactive town to be as bad or worse than scum. My last game was full of inactivity which lead to active town getting the lynch and modkills moving things forward rather quickly. I do not want a repeat of that.

@Sonata you appear to be caught up do you have any reads yet?

_0x40_ said:

Could you elaborate on what you mean by "trying too hard?" Trying too hard to do what exactly? Why is the trying "too hard?"

Kit said:
I'm not the one you asked but when Lucian told me about Gambler's Fallacy I took that as subtle scum hunting because I've done the same thing to test the reaction from someone I thought was scum with a lame excuse to vote Edit: i mean, not vote but pointing suspicion. it was very early in the game

logic340 said:
Gruffin seems like she was forcing the read on me. It hasn't really bore fruit and the vote is still there. @Gruffin how do you feel about Soren's case against you?

Sonata said:
What prompted you to change your behaviour this game in particular?

Grapefruit21 said:
@Gruffin Can you describe your general approach to day 1s? Especially when one that has mostly moved out of RVS. I want to understand your mindset as you are in the middle of a lot of things right now.

Sonata said:
I scumread Gruffin, because of what I quoted in #250 (that's why I asked him about it). I find it rather suspicious that he chose to change his behaviour in this game in particular from his usual townie, and that he admitted so only after being questioned about it instead of placing a disclaimer beforehand if he was knowingly doing so.

logic340 said:
So based on this post I will ask some question of the inactive players:
@Phraze are you going to be more active? Hard to make a read on you when you have like 3 posts. If you are caught up is there a reason your vote is still on me?
@aa-dono only page 2? Things are slow going for you at the moment. Will yo be more active later?
@Lord_Sithis have you finished catching up? Your vote on Gruffin was RVS are you going to leave it there and how do you feel about the case against Gruffin?
@rosielovesanime - These 4 posts aren't enough to go off of. What are your thoughts on my train? What are your thoughts on the case against Gruffin?
@Bursama - Twice you have asked questions that I responded to in the next post. If you don't answer them I am going to think you are not interested in what I had to say which I feel is scummy.
@Sonata - Do you have any other reads so far? What are your thoughts on the other inactive players? Will you be more active later?
@Mishukax - Yeah you are now falling under this list too. You haven't posted since page 2. What are your thoughts on the current trains?

So with Mishu being added to this list the inactive players now make up half (7/15) of the total player list. This game has a few really active people carrying the thread. I understand it's the holiday season but I couldn't continue to be passive/inactive with so many others not contributing. and me leading the vote. I am all for lynching an inactive in the hopes of not losing multiple active players per phase. We dealt with rampant inactivity in The Great Terror which was a great source of frustration.

Time to get these town blocks going. I feel good about Soren and Grapefruit they are both really working the game and looking at behavior more than anyone else at this point.

It sounds good and I hope that it's true because it will give us plenty of people to look at but I can't just take that at face value. I will go back over things and think about your mindset. If what you are saying is true then I hope that your strategy bears fruit and helps us lynch scum.

logic340 said:
This question has been answered. What purpose does it serve right now?

From what I understand Meta is the way you perceived by others based on habits in posting and the way you behave as a certain party. So what I am trying to change is my early town meta. I'm currently leading the lynch 1st time ever (I'd say it's working slightly). Basically before my first scum game I want to change the way people view me so I will be able to blend in better. You were in The Great Terror you saw why I am going to go about things in a different manner.

What does AI mean?

Kit said:
@LucianRoy are you still feeling town vibes from 0x40 like you were early on?

logic340 said:
Nah, not really is there some kind of cryptic post that I have missed out on? I'm already wary of you based on how I easily town ready you (even wanted you to be town). I will say you seem to be in the spotlight and not really playing it safe which I find to be very town like things.

Lord_Sithis said:
@logic340 I was sleeping, I'm going to finish catching up now.

logic340 said:
@LucianRoy I noticed that you don't always use a users full name when tagging them. You are tagging other MAL users and not the person you intended. There is a user name logic so you tagged them instead of me. In the quote above you tagged rosie but I am sure that rosielovesanime didn't get a tag notification.

logic340 said:
Do you mean it was something in their first few posts or are you saying their first post made you suspicious?

logic340 said:
@aa-dono only page 2? Things are slow going for you at the moment. Will yo be more active later?

PentaFlare said:
Vote: Lord_Sithis
Your read list was more of a summary of events. Some of the players had a little analysis, but in other cases, like mine, it just mentioned some posts I made, including some irrelevant ones like my RVS vote.

There is certainly enough information for you to commit to a scumread and vote for the player you are suspicious of at this point. Avoiding making tgat commitment is suspicious.

If it is just because you haven't completely caught up yet, I would like to see a vote when you have.

logic340 said:
How does Lucian bringing up Gambler Fallacy equate to scumhunting?

LucianRoy said:

Gambler's Fallacy. Real thing.
(have I caught scum yet?)

LucianRoy said:

Gambler's Fallacy. Real thing.
(have I caught scum yet?)

aa-dono said:
Yess since I'm reading posts in between chores and tour duties among others ==
Getting a tag asking about my activity when I already lay out my schedule is slightly ..... irksome.
But well, I'm gonna catch up now before I go to bed since I won't be able to access PC tomorrow so def not gonna do a lot of backreading. It's only until Sunday - so by Monday (most people's Sunday, I think), I'd be free again = I'll be here a lot more for Day 2 [or nk-ed T_T ]

Anyone in particular you'd like me to read?
You're the leading train, right? What's your opinion on those in your train?

logic340 said:
I understand the term Gambler Fallacy means (read the wiki) but I don't see how you saying that equates to scum hunting. Is there something I am missing?

LucianRoy said:

@Soren, does aggro Penta feel town? Or does he feel overdone?

Grapefruit21 said:
@LucianRoy Unvote
Vote: LucianRoy I don't like your 115. I've been pretty committed to my views since 84.

Grapefruit21 said:
EBWDP: Commited to my read after 115. Seems like a strange time to bring it up.

And re my experience where is that read coming from because I was getting the opposite vibe early that I was being pressured due to my non-committal stance which (to me) screamed I was a new player and afraid to take a hard stand.

LucianRoy said:

Is there something I'm missing?

aa-dono said:
Lucian's 115 was him liking Penta's post. Why did that earn him a vote but not Penta who said that you were non-committal?
Hu? Committed to reads after 115..? So Lucian's 115 should make sense since you're committed after that, not before.

logic340 said:
How does Lucian bringing up Gambler Fallacy equate to scumhunting?

PentaFlare said:
Vote: @logic340
You are currently leading in votes. You've acknowledged this and said you are happy to have this opportunity because it hasn't happened before but you haven't done anything about it. You can't just wait for votes to go away. If you are town, show everyone you are town. Convince people that the target you are voting for merits their votes because your target is scum. Get people to move their votes.

If you are town, then you are letting players leave their votes pressuring you when they could be extracting information from scum with those votes.

Edit: Fixed my subject-verb agreement

Kit said:
I explained it in the post you quoted. I did the same thing to Gruffin in day 1 of CCL because she had no "real" evidence to suspect crossbell, so I was testing to see if she was pointing suspicion for no reason (what scum would do). Maybe Lucian was just trying to look smart but it was good enough for me since we has commenting on a supposed read.

logic340 said:

@rosielovesanime - These 4 posts aren't enough to go off of. What are your thoughts on my train? What are your thoughts on the case against Gruffin?

sonata said:

I also scumread rosie (though it might just be that she's new why her actions irk me as scum)