Is Yuri on Ice actually gay or queerbait?
Most likely queerbait
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Probably turn out gay
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| Either this is going another season, or we will never know for sure. A+ for "It's all up to interpretation." Even if it's way too romantic between two men there will always be people to straight up deny it if it's left up to interpretation or if you have to go find what the creator says. They did not make history on screen. I am disappointed. |
Grathia said: Jin_uzuki said: OK, I'm not sure you really understand how ambiguity works. "Victor punched Yuuri" is a valid interpretation of that scene as much as hugging. Sadly, it doesn't fit the characters reactions, so the "interpretation" is really just fucking idiotic. Do you follow me here? If yours "Victor hugged Yuuri" interpretation can't explain why a 50 years old woman is blushing shocked at a hug, you interpretation is on the same level as "Victor punched Yuuri". So I must ask you, once again. Why did you think a 50 years woman was blushing at a hug? Why do you put so much focus on that 50-year old woman, when Kubo-sensei was the one being very vague about it in her interview? Because we are talking about the show. It's not about the 50 years old woman, it's the whole after the scene (and before I guess, uh). People keep saying "That scene is never addressed", but it's not true. The scene is never addressed in the followed episode. Which takes place 2 weeks later. There is absolutely zero ambiguity in the following, people react and discuss what is happening screen. Victor explains why he did that. The characters react accordingly:    "It's the only way I thought I could surprise you" or something like that, I can't find the screenshot. (Also fun fact: Mari also reacted negativity at rings too, lulz) You keep acting like the scene exists in a vacuum and you can insert every "interpretation" possible, which it's simply impossible. And don't tell me it's just fanservice because we both know it's the episode climax and the culmination of their relationship up at that point (Remember they had a fight?), not the Hot Spring scene from episode 4. "schrodinger catbox" doesn't work if you can look at the people reactions during the box! |
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Jin_uzuki said: Grathia said: Why do you put so much focus on that 50-year old woman, when Kubo-sensei was the one being very vague about it in her interview? Because we are talking about the show. It's not about the 50 years old woman, it's the whole after the scene (and before I guess, uh). People keep saying "That scene is never addressed", but it's not true. The scene is never addressed in the followed episode. Which takes place 2 weeks later. There is absolutely zero ambiguity in the following, people react and discuss what is happening screen. Victor explains why he did that. The characters react accordingly: "It's the only way I thought I could surprise you" or something like that, I can't find the screenshot. (Also fun fact: Mari also reacted negativity at rings too, lulz) You keep acting like the scene exists in a vacuum and you can insert every "interpretation" possible, which it's simply impossible. And don't tell me it's just fanservice because we both know it's the episode climax and the culmination of their relationship up at that point (Remember they had a fight?), not the Hot Spring scene from episode 4. "schrodinger catbox" doesn't work if you can look at the people reactions during the box! Haha. You're thinking as if that scene was completely logical. Haha. Sorry, fanservice. If their lips ever touched where people can see, you wouldn't exert too much effort in defending it. I didn't see a kiss. Like what I said before, if Yuuri was a woman in this scene, no doubt that they'll show this WITHOUT CENSORS. It's the creators THEMSELVES creating the double standard. Not me. I'm just watching. I don't have a hand in the storyboards or something. So yeah, I still didn't see a kiss. Haha Why not be happy because you can imagine it as a kiss? Just be happy with your gay canon couple. I'm not here to change your mind. :-) |
GrathiaDec 22, 2016 12:37 PM
Grathia said: Jin_uzuki said: Because we are talking about the show. It's not about the 50 years old woman, it's the whole after the scene (and before I guess, uh). People keep saying "That scene is never addressed", but it's not true. The scene is never addressed in the followed episode. Which takes place 2 weeks later. There is absolutely zero ambiguity in the following, people react and discuss what is happening screen. Victor explains why he did that. The characters react accordingly: "It's the only way I thought I could surprise you" or something like that, I can't find the screenshot. (Also fun fact: Mari also reacted negativity at rings too, lulz) You keep acting like the scene exists in a vacuum and you can insert every "interpretation" possible, which it's simply impossible. And don't tell me it's just fanservice because we both know it's the episode climax and the culmination of their relationship up at that point (Remember they had a fight?), not the Hot Spring scene from episode 4. "schrodinger catbox" doesn't work if you can look at the people reactions during the box! Haha. You're thinking as if that scene was completely logical. Haha. Because it is? Literally your interpretation doesn't make any lick of sense and you literally keep deflecting the fact that this scene doesn't work if they are hugging. I ask you to explain the characters reactions and hugs, and you give none. Who said it felt like "explaining colors to blind people"? Because that's how I am feeling right now. You are literally ignoring dialogues and characterization because "Ahah fanservice ahah something fujobait something queerbait" wut you wouldn't exert too much effort in defending it. I literally told you that the dudes in No.6 kissed and people would still try to deny it. I'm sure you can even find some old posts about it if you dig around if you don't believe me. Like what I said before, if Yuuri was a woman in this scene, no doubt that they'll show this WITHOUT CENSORS. Like the one in Pokemon! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TZDmWljv2s |
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Jin_uzuki said: Because it is? Literally your interpretation doesn't make any lick of sense and you literally keep deflecting the fact that this scene doesn't work if they are hugging. I ask you to explain the characters reactions and hugs, and you give none. Who said it felt like "explaining colors to blind people"? Because that's how I am feeling right now. You are literally ignoring dialogues and characterization because "Ahah fanservice ahah something fujobait something queerbait" wut you wouldn't exert too much effort in defending it. I literally told you that the dudes in No.6 kissed and people would still try to deny it. I'm sure you can even find some old posts about it if you dig around if you don't believe me. Like what I said before, if Yuuri was a woman in this scene, no doubt that they'll show this WITHOUT CENSORS. Like the one in Pokemon! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TZDmWljv2s When Kubo san confirms that it's a kiss, then it's a kiss. If it's a kiss, why be deliberately be vague about it? That's where I insert the fanservice. If you cannot see where the deliberate is, then I don't know who the colorblind one is. Very simple. You keep asking me why I dont believe it's a kiss, when the creator simply cannot give a yes or no. Try asking her instead, huh. Maybe you'll get the answer that we both want. lmao |
| This is what I think about this discussion: The relationship between Yuri and Victor is not canon. YET. I agree they're not in a romantic relationship. YET. My point is: ALL THE INGREDIENTS FOR A CANONIC ROMANTIC RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THEM ARE THERE, in those 12 episodes. So yes. I have to admit, they're not dating. BUT if you deny that they're are, at least, in a deep deep bromance (almost gay friendship), than you're blind as fuck my friend. I don't give my same sex friends: wedding rings, or deep long hugs, or mouth kisses, or whisper words with sexy voice in their ears, I don't sleep with them in the same bed, or take a shower with them (touching their naked body while doing this), and many many other examples that happended in the show. The studio, and Kubo sensei needs balls to make this canon. |
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Grathia said: You keep asking me why I dont believe it's a kiss, when the creator simply cannot give a yes or no. No, I also keep asking you how that scene works if they are hugging. You literally propose an interpretation for that scene and then refuse to back it up. I keep asking you, over and over and over and oveeeer and you just keep either not answering or rambling about twitter and posting ahah or lmao. Over and over and oveeeeer. I'm not the one claiming they are hugging. Neither is the author on twitter. You are! Actually I'm not sure you even understand what "fanservice" is at this point. Actually, I'm not even sure you are not trolling at this point. Angelbeam19 said: All those hugs and caresses were put into the show to attract the hetero female viewers. Or because she wanted to write a story like that too. Sounds crazy, I know. How could anyone possible write a story in which the characters are gaiz? |
Jin_uzukiDec 22, 2016 1:01 PM
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Grathia said: Jin_uzuki said: No, I also keep asking you how that scene works if they are hugging. You literally propose an interpretation for that scene and then refuse to back it up. I keep asking you, over and over and over and oveeeer and you just keep either not answering or rambling about twitter and posting ahah or lmao. Over and over and oveeeeer. I'm not the one claiming they are hugging. Neither is the author on twitter. You are! Actually I'm not sure you even understand what "fanservice" is at this point. Actually, I'm not even sure you are not trolling at this point. You can believe what you want to believe. I don't owe you any explanation. If I didn't see a kiss, then I didn't see a kiss. "I literally cannot explain or defend my interpretation when people ask me for clarifications"  Imagine if all people argued about like that! I don't think you even believe yourself what you are saying, so I wouldn't bother! |
Jin_uzukiDec 22, 2016 1:15 PM
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Jin_uzuki said: Grathia said: You can believe what you want to believe. I don't owe you any explanation. If I didn't see a kiss, then I didn't see a kiss. "I literally cannot explain or defend my interpretation when people ask me for clarifications" Imagine if all people argued about like that! It was very clear what the author said. Up to people's interpretation. She didn't say a kiss, she didn't say a hug. ANybody can interpret it any way they want. You want to interpret it as a kiss, fine. I want to interpret it as a hug because I did not see two lips touching (uncaring of the audience's reaction). ANd I can. Fact is, if there was ever a straight yes or no answer to that, we wouldn't be having this argument now. You want me to explain why I think it's a hug? Simple. Because I did not see a kiss. You want to ask again why I think it's a hug and what is the relevance of a hug in that scene. And I say it's deliberate. This will go in circles because again, like what Kubo said, "It's up to your interpretation." I did not see two lips touching, therefore it's not a kiss. Again, up to our OWN interpretation. |
OK, I interpreter with it as "Victor performed a fatality on Yuuri" I guess, sure, why not. At least it sure does explain the audience reaction! Hit me when you can do that too, I suppose. |
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Grathia said: Jin_uzuki said: OK, I interpreter with it as "Victor performed a fatality on Yuuri" I guess, sure, why not. At least it sure does explain the audience reaction! Hit me when you can do that too, I suppose. Talk to me again when Kubo-san confirms it's a kiss. It was a socialist kiss anyway (Because Victor is Russian). It wasn't gay at all! |
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Grathia said: [ Let's say it's a kiss. Let's say I agree with the kiss. Why the need to censor it? YOI is a world without homophobia. They can kiss in Russia and people won't care. Why censor it? Artistic style? Approach? Why not show it for what it is? A kiss? Then people don't have to ask for confirmation from Kubo-sensei. And because they censored it, when people came to Kubo, she said up to your interpretation? They were given so many chances to explain, justify, defend that scene. Did they ever address it? Again, why the need to censor the kiss? Wait I feel like we had this argument before. What if time... was really... a flat circle... Also I'm not sure why you are so hung on an incorrect version of what she said when her first tweet after the episode was this:  Maybe they told her to tone it down? Stylistic choice? Who the hells know, really. I literally showed you two straight kisses that got zoned out. (Even if you can make an argument about Pokemas being for kids you sure can't make it about Bake when he literally touched and kissed every other girl but his girlfriend in all the 1454 series) The world of YoI may be an Utopia, but our aren't. |
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Jin_uzuki said: Grathia said: [ Let's say it's a kiss. Let's say I agree with the kiss. Why the need to censor it? YOI is a world without homophobia. They can kiss in Russia and people won't care. Why censor it? Artistic style? Approach? Why not show it for what it is? A kiss? Then people don't have to ask for confirmation from Kubo-sensei. And because they censored it, when people came to Kubo, she said up to your interpretation? They were given so many chances to explain, justify, defend that scene. Did they ever address it? Again, why the need to censor the kiss? Wait I feel like we had this argument before. What if time... was really... a flat circle... Also I'm not sure why you are so hung on an incorrect version of what she said when her first tweet after the episode was this: Maybe they told her to tone it down? Stylistic choice? Who the hells know, really. I literally showed you two straight kisses that got zoned out. (Even if you can make an argument about Pokemas being for kids you sure can't make it about Bake when he literally touched and kissed every other girl but his girlfriend in all the 1454 series) The world of YoI may be an Utopia, but our aren't. But No. 6 can have a kiss? |
Jin_uzuki said: But there was a confirmation itself in the show. You are purposely choosing to ignore it.  Why is 50 years old Minako blushing at hugs? Why is the lady behind her surprised? If you are choosing to no see it a kiss, you are clearly seeing it as a hug. So how does a hug fit into that context? People keep saying the kiss was never referenced again, but it's clearly not true. It's the climax of the episode and everyone reacts to it. Victor talks bout it immediately after and why he did it. It's even show again in episode 11 preview! Schrödinger's cat only works if no one is observing the cat. Sorry, try again! what they had to do was have some interaction where they ditched the coach-skater pretext and say or do something that was undeniably romantic.  Why are these straight coach and student filtring with each others? Aris18 said: The fact that Viktor/Yuuri is still not explicitly canon supports this. The fact that their "kiss” has been given no real weight in the story (i.e. no one’s referenced it, it’s been treated as if it never happened) supports this. The way I see it, the motivation behind the “kiss” scene was not to make Viktor/Yuuri a romantic relationship, it was to use that traditionally romantic imagery to convey the depth of the Viktor/Yuuri relationship. Same for the rings, ice dancing, and everything else. But deep relationship ≠ romantic relationship. And Kubo/Yamamoto wanted it that way. It wasn't referenced again after episode 7 because in the context of the show it happened 2 weeks ago in the next episode. Also the characters themselves pretty much assume Victor and Yuuri are dating (Hence why would Phichit jump immediately to marriage) so why would they even feel do to that? Oh wait I forgot kiss doesn't matter. Nothing matters something fujobait something. Yes, Victor probably kissed Yuri in episode 7. Yes, Victor flirts with Yuri. A lot. But Yuri doesn't ever reciprocate. He calls Victor his coach, treats Victor like a coach and backs away whenever Victor tries to take it further. He tried to end the relationship with Victor in episode 12 because he thought Victor no longer being his coach meant no more relationship with him. That isnt a couple. Thats one person liking someone else and the other person missing the hints and being too scared to enter a real relationship. Until Yuri acknowledges his feelings as romantic they aren't a couple. But as someone else said, their relationship is "unique" and "couldnt be summerised with a word like lover". AKA how to keep a queer relationship ambiguous and non-commital 101. |
IanamusDec 22, 2016 2:05 PM
| Bait. This IS a kiss.  This CAN BE a kiss.  Lesson 1 for fangirls: try to separate what you want to see and what you actually see. E.g. Asuna&Kirito were not admitted as canon because they were hetero but when Kirito said 'Let's get married', Asuna nodded and when they were asked they did not freaking start to deny it 'it's just good luck charm'. |
FrigyesurDec 22, 2016 10:19 PM
Grathia said: Jin_uzuki said: Wait I feel like we had this argument before. What if time... was really... a flat circle... Also I'm not sure why you are so hung on an incorrect version of what she said when her first tweet after the episode was this: Maybe they told her to tone it down? Stylistic choice? Who the hells know, really. I literally showed you two straight kisses that got zoned out. (Even if you can make an argument about Pokemas being for kids you sure can't make it about Bake when he literally touched and kissed every other girl but his girlfriend in all the 1454 series) The world of YoI may be an Utopia, but our aren't. But No. 6 can have a kiss? Did they even air on the same channel? I'm not even saying it's censorship. Could have been a stylist choice. Could have been Mappa not wanting to give it all (Which doesn't have anything to do with fujo and bait, but more like how people write romance, especially in Japan) Could have been wanting to play safe since it's an anime original, which it's no weird at all given how weirdly people react to male sexuality. I don't know, we could speculate about it forever and no one can prove anything, and quite honestly It doesn't matter because the way the scene in the show points it all at one thing which they didn't deny. The over analysis of every scene is quite honestly exhausting. Imagine people doing it for every show ever because they think the author is trying to "trick" them! Frigyesur said: Lesson 1 for fangirls: try to separate what you want to see and what you actually see. But I'm not a girl. (Also the irony of watching anime for fujoshi while shiting on them kek) |
Jin_uzukiDec 22, 2016 2:10 PM
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Jin_uzuki said: Did they even air on the same channel? I'm not even saying it's censorship. Could have been a stylist choice. Could have been Mappa not wanting to give it all (Which doesn't have anything to do with fujo and bait, but more like how people write romance, especially in Japan) Could have been wanting to play safe since it's an anime original, which it's no weird at all given how weirdly people react to male sexuality. I don't know, we could speculate about it forever and no one can prove anything, and quite honestly It doesn't matter because the way the scene in the show points it all at one thing which they didn't deny. The over analysis of every scene is quite honestly exhausting. Imagine people doing it for every show ever because they think the author is trying to "trick" them! Well then. You spoke to me in our previous exchanges so confidently, I thought you were pretty sure about everything. It's nice to know you're basing your interpretations based on what you know and assume rather than 100% fact. Let's agree to disagree, then. Call it canon forever, and I'll call it bait. We have different interpretations. People will not stop speculating. Is YOI similar to Free? NO.6? Haikyuu? KnB? People will not stop speculating until there's factual proof. I'll repeat huh, they might be canon in season 100, so who knows? Until there's no actual proof, I still can call it bait, or teasing or WHETTING our appetites for more. Which is never a bad thing. It's healthy, business wise, and fangirls would get to see more of YOI. So, win-win. |
Grathia said: Jin_uzuki said: Did they even air on the same channel? I'm not even saying it's censorship. Could have been a stylist choice. Could have been Mappa not wanting to give it all (Which doesn't have anything to do with fujo and bait, but more like how people write romance, especially in Japan) Could have been wanting to play safe since it's an anime original, which it's no weird at all given how weirdly people react to male sexuality. I don't know, we could speculate about it forever and no one can prove anything, and quite honestly It doesn't matter because the way the scene in the show points it all at one thing which they didn't deny. The over analysis of every scene is quite honestly exhausting. Imagine people doing it for every show ever because they think the author is trying to "trick" them! Well then. You spoke to me in our previous exchanges so confidently, I thought you were pretty sure about everything. I don't think you understand very well the point, really. It doesn't have anything to do with being "sure" as much as it does with "watching the damn scene and see how the characters react." Of course you don't even seem to care about it! Serious, every of you post is basically an attempt to deflect the attention from the show and turn the whole thing into some sort of conspiracy theory. I feel like playing 4D chess. People will not stop speculating. Is YOI similar to Free? NO.6? Haikyuu? KnB? People will not stop speculating until there's factual proof. I'll repeat huh, they might be canon in season 100, so who knows? People still speculate about Eva so probably never. But I think you should definitely watch KnB to see what bait that goes nowhere and it's just lip service is. And HQ doesn't even have bait, all fujo interactions are from the fandom, jeez. The fact that all the genuine interactions from YoI get classified as "bait" by some people is just so sad. Though, again, I'm not even sure what bait means anymore. Are there people who actually think these character could be genuinely straight? |
Jin_uzukiDec 22, 2016 2:31 PM
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Jin_uzuki said: Grathia said: Well then. You spoke to me in our previous exchanges so confidently, I thought you were pretty sure about everything. I don't think you understand very well the point, really. It doesn't have anything to do with being "sure" as much as it does with "watching the damn scene and see how the characters react." Of course you don't even seem to care about it! Serious, every of you post is basically an attempt to deflect the attention from the show and turn the whole thing into some sort of conspiracy theory. I feel like playing 4D chess. People will not stop speculating. Is YOI similar to Free? NO.6? Haikyuu? KnB? People will not stop speculating until there's factual proof. I'll repeat huh, they might be canon in season 100, so who knows? People still speculate about Eva so probably never. But I think you should definitely watch KnB to see what bait that goes nowhere and it's just lip service is. And HQ doesn't even have bait, all fujo interactions are from the fandom, jeez. The fact that all the genuine interactions from YoI get classified as "bait" by some people is just so sad. Fact is, if they probably show a solid kiss on ep. 7, no one would call this bait. |
Sure, they will. They already did it with No.6 back then when it aired. It was a goodnight kiss and the author was just baiting. Everything is bait for some people. |
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| [quote=Grathia message=49057470] Jin_uzuki said: I want Vikturi romance to have a resolution, not to be up for interpretation. Like what I mentioned before, are Sakura and Sasuke's relationship up for interpretation? Ron and Hermione? Ed and Winry? Inuyasha and Kagome? They all became canon in the end. So maybe, after season 100 I MIGHT get to see a canon Vikturi. I might, and that'll make me happy. But for now? Does canon mean "an epilogue set 19 years later and married with 2.5 children"? 'Cause I feel like all those examples are that. If there will be a second season, there will probably be a marriage, but I don't think it's fair to consider Victuuri canon only when they'll finally get to marry... Who in the world would ever think that SASU/SAKU would ever be canon? No one right? But yeah, it's official. No argument about it. Actually sasu/saku is not a very good example?? I don't want to go off topic but Sakura deserved better? She just ends up with his crush out of nowhere in the last chapter because WORD OF GOD SAID SO. Is it the meaning of canon? Yes. But I would have preferred some HEALTHY character's interaction between the two in the previous 800(???) chapters. In this matter, Yuri on Ice is indeed superior. If there will be a second season and Victor and Yuuri will end up together canonish speaking (even though I personally already consider them canon) nobody will end up being surprised because there was already a romantic interaction between the two (even though apparently not everyone is of the same opinion. But even in that case, NOBODY will flip their shit because it has been showed up until now that Victor is indeed interested in/likes Yuuri and the other way around too.) [quote=aiguille message=49057549]Im talking about wether it is "queerbaiting" and it clearly is not. From what I understood queerbaiting is when you imply they have feelings for each other and then at the end say "nope never happened lulz". That wont happen to Viktor and Yuuri. Even if they dont end up together, the fact that they loved each other cant be denied. So not queerbainting, end of thread. Yeah, that's exactly it. If people are upset because they felt like there was no resolution to their relationship (ex: they would have liked a more explicit declaration/another kiss/a marriage idk) I do understand them. But I feel that talking of "queerbaiting" is not right. A reporter asked Kubo-sensei if it was a kiss or hug. If she had said yes, then OMG, I'm not going to post anything in this thread anymore! But no, she purposefully said, "It's up to people's interpretation." Meaning they're deliberately leaving room for denial. Actually that week she posted on her twitter something like "is it just me or something synchronized with [insert j-drama name] this week?" in which the named drama had a kiss between the main characters in that week's episode too. I feel like denying to accept that was a kiss is kinda stubborn. And yes, I do too think it could have been done better. I don't like the "censoring arm" at all, I don't like the fact that she also said that it's up to the viewer. But her tweet made clear that in YOI too happened a kiss that week. They did not make history on screen. I am disappointed. Sometimes I get the idea that maybe some people are expecting lots of kisses and buttsex = canon Hell, I bet that if Victor and Yuuri will marry in the hypothetical 2nd season, fans won't be happy if there won't be an explicit statement of the marriage being consummated?? wtf /s |
But they only became canon in the end. I hope you're getting my point. labelling something as official when you yourself are not even sure why that kiss is censored is just - too assumptive, I guess. Why not just wait until we actually, factually see it on screen? I've got a "spoilerish"(?) question regarding the official merchandise of Yuuri on Ice: I've got another question to people who think YOI is queerbaiting: if you think they're not engaged, why do they keep wearing their golden rings? Why do they need a "good luck charm" when the grand prix is over? |
| I don't know why I clicked on this thread, I knew there will be shit going on. But I didn't stop myself and I won't stop myself with commenting on it. I'm so frustrated with you people. Why can't you just accept things the way they are. You either want to see too much or you're closing your eyes, so you won't see the point. I'm pretty sure that Viktor and Yuuri are not in a relationship. YET. But there's potential. Are they going to make something of it in the second season? I have no effing clue. And honestly if they do, I hope they make it exactly the way they showed us their FEELINGS in this season. Because this anime is something else. It played on a whole different level of emotions and as I can see most of the people watching the show can't understand it. You demand onscreen kisses, you come up with theories about every single scene. But the problem is you people can't go past labels of love you have fixed in your heads. You can't see love as a whole, you can't look past boundaries-you either want romantic love, or friendly love, or mentor-student love. All I can see is Yuuri's love for Viktor and Viktor's love for Yuuri. Beautiful in itself, unlabelled. And it's friggin beautiful. I was actually quite disappointed to see there's going to be a second season. I am more than happy with the ending. It was beautiful, delicate and subtle just like the whole show has been. I'm probably not making any sense right now, cause it's 1 am and I'm so frustrated I can't even make a sentence in English without checking it in the dictionary. Like really, you need someone to bang onscreen, or on the contary marry a girl, to actually believe. And why not just admire love, in whichever way we want? |
| All I see in this post is female's commenting to defend a Yaoi sort of anime. This anime has it screaming "Yaoi" I like to watch sports anime not a Yaoi anime |
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Saarunao said: hansie said: Because both of them are still continuing their careers.I've got another question to people who think YOI is queerbaiting: if you think they're not engaged, why do they keep wearing their golden rings? Why do they need a "good luck charm" when the grand prix is over? Do you truly believe that when they'll both retire, they won't be in a relationship with each other and will take off those rings? |
obsucuria said: I heard many arguments of "well if this has been f/w then nobody would question if they're canon or no". No, ppl would be as annoyed. Believe me. Well, people sure as hell wouldn't deny the characters having romantic feeling for each others canonically. Which some people do with YoI (And shows like that) all the time. Someone posted like a page ago that Yuuri's relationship with Victor was purely platonic and Student/Coach from Yuuri. Wait... I have heard this before too.. because Kaworu is an angel so only one of them is gay.... Anyway, do people that call this bait still expecting Detroit girl to appear by the way kek? |
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jizibel said: Ah I really wanted to see some romantic intention and confirmation for the finale, but we didn't get anything in the end. .... I'm wondering what the creator's intentions were if they left everything up in the air now. I guess that's why the duet was their way of showing their love for each other, but it still seems unsatisfactory. Sorry I had to shortened your quotes to not hogging the space hahaha Yes I do agree that the end is unsatisfactory. To be honest, I can't accept the reality that she ends the story like that (I hope at least for this season 1, and wishing for season 2). I become extremely disappointed with how this season of YoI ends up like this. I've always been skeptical with their relationship and what I thought the end would be but I did want to be able to say that they are canon. Even after knowing it still I'm disappointed because I wish their relationship is clearer. I'm so sad knowing that she leaves it up in the air like this. There's always a huge hole left that remains in the dark. The questions will always be, "Do they love each other? Are they actually lovers?" This will remain unanswered unless she can address this herself or in the next season, if it ever made. At the end of the day, I'm just another disappointed Fujoshi that prefer something canon to be able to say Yuri on Ice is not a fujobait/queerbait/etc. For now, this anime is fujobait because they left their relationship for fans to imagine themselves while for me, if it's not canon - if there's no official statement from author and production, they are fujobait. |
| Posting again. Just finished the anime and I was expecting something clear cut but nah. IMHO I think they're in love with one another. There's just no 'us' . Basically it's a mutual understanding. |
ginbutlow said: Lol. I knew episode 12 would pan out exactly like I thought. My reaction of episode 7 was the exact opposite of about 90% of the fandom because I KNEW that cover-up was there for a reason and Kubo herself confirmed what I thought all along just several weeks later when she refused to confirm it. Episode 12? Nothing. Same old fan-service with no conclusive resolution as to where they stand as pairing. Same old same old. YOI is no different from any baiting show I have watched in the past it's just simply cranked up in the to a new level. 'Engagement rings' laced with denial and completely different context to what it's supposed to actually mean? The romance in YOI is honestly ridiculous. It's silly. To call it actual representation is an insult at this point. Like someone said before, YOI looks like a duck and walks like a duck but it's a chicken lol. That's the best description yet in this whole thread. Hehe, same here. At that time I thought 'if they wanted to make it cannon, they wouldn't baiting like this constantly'. But I gave shot, maybe I am the one who was wrong. (Of course not, what am I writing, I'm never wrong :D) Since episode 6 I read the topics before watching, seeing the hype I thought 'okay, I was wrong'. After actually seeing it 'are you f*cking kidding me?! how does it look like an engagement. Yuri seduced Viktor? he was drunk and clung to him. pretty common behaviour after drinking too much khmm :))), if it was seducing, than what was the pole dancing with Chris in underwears (btw Chris wore tanga?! :O)? intercourse?' Although I found it funny the pictures from the party :)) It really is an insult; the 'lover' always denies it, who wanted that kind of lover no matter the gender. The 'romantic' moments were exaggerated to the point of being ridiculous, true (like the airport scene). Really, how it supposed to be a representation. Openly affectionate and flirty but never committed? Oh please. I only feel sorry those queers who expected something more, every other fujoshis 'serves you right', hehe. Okay, I excuse myself to the non-aggressive fujoshis also for gloating. Well we can give a highly questionable point for the show: it raised to a whole new level of baiting and no shame about it :)) Hm, yeah, we can say it was a perfect description :))) PS: And here is the most shameless fanservice. Buttom, buttom everywhere :D  |
FrigyesurDec 23, 2016 7:21 AM
Thanks for the information, I'll keep in mind :))) PS: So you admitted it was just for fujoshis. I have no more questions :)) |
FrigyesurDec 23, 2016 7:19 AM
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