I'm kina busy at work ATM, so I won't go into much detail for now, but I'll say this: Moon Cell non-existance in the F/SN timeline doesn't mean "those" don't exist there.
*enters full condescending Caren mode"
Maybe you just need to see the light, my little lost lamb. It's not the Sun's fault if you close your eyes. You at least need to allow yourself to feel its wormth.
*enters full condescending Caren mode"
Maybe you just need to see the light, my little lost lamb. It's not the Sun's fault if you close your eyes. You at least need to allow yourself to feel its wormth.
astroprogs said: I'm kina busy at work ATM, so I won't go into much detail for now, but I'll say this: Moon Cell non-existance in the F/SN timeline doesn't mean "those" don't exist there.
I'd like them to stay in the Extra continuity, so my headcanon is that they don't exist in FSN. >.>
*enters full condescending Caren mode"
Maybe you just need to see the light, my little lost lamb. It's not the Sun's fault if you close your eyes. You at least need to allow yourself to feel its wormth.
*You can sense light with your eyes closed( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
astroprogs said: I'm kina busy at work ATM, so I won't go into much detail for now, but I'll say this: Moon Cell non-existance in the F/SN timeline doesn't mean "those" don't exist there.
I'd like them to stay in the Extra continuity, so my headcanon is that they don't exist in FSN. >.>
Well, if Attila the Hun never existed in a timeline, I think the current world would've had differences since the Roman Empire wouldn't have fallen as early as it did. It's hard to say with absolute certainty since a long time has passed, but it seems like the historical figure Attila did exist in the F/SN timeline.
Also, "them" really aren't that different from some of the beings we had in Notes and Tsukihime, so it's not like the Nasuverse started to go Sci-Fi in Extra and its sequels.
Heck, I buy their existence more than I can buy that there's a Rin in an alternative universe who can't only use electronics, but is in fact a skilled programmer and hacker lol
astroprogs said: I'm kina busy at work ATM, so I won't go into much detail for now, but I'll say this: Moon Cell non-existance in the F/SN timeline doesn't mean "those" don't exist there.
I'd like them to stay in the Extra continuity, so my headcanon is that they don't exist in FSN. >.>
Well, if Attila the Hun never existed in a timeline, I think the current world would've had differences since the Roman Empire wouldn't have fallen as early as it did. It's hard to say with absolute certainty since a long time has passed, but it seems like the historical figure Attila did exist in the F/SN timeline.
Also, "them" really aren't that different from some of the beings we had in Notes and Tsukihime, so it's not like the Nasuverse started to go Sci-Fi in Extra and its sequels.
Heck, I buy their existence more than I can buy that there's a Rin in an alternative universe who can't only use electronics, but is in fact a skilled programmer and hacker lol
Notable highlights from Extella's mat book (no spoilers, don't worry).
First we have Mumei:
That natural enemy O.O
Gil:
His likes and dislikes are so accurate.
Hakuno and Hakunon:
LMAO at the likes and dislikes of both. They truly aren't a mere gender flip of each other. Now we know why Hakunon is barefooted. Is it just me or are the female protagonists of Extra and GO just objectively superior to their male counterparts. Why we're getting the male ones for the anime adaptations is beyond me.
Also, YESSSS, i always wanted my silent protagonist to have my blood type despite looking nothing like me. EX-rank immersion.
So... Nasu freaking rewrote/retcon'd EXTRA. Extella isn't a direct sequel to the PSP EXTRA, but a very similar universe to it where (and this isn't a spoiler) Hakuno and Hakunon both exist at the same time as Masters. Not only that, but Nero, Tamamo and Mumei all exist as Servants in the same war as well.
People were asking why is Extella a bit Nero-centric, here's why.
This is a summary of the new EXTRA AKA Extella/Zero. You need to read it before starting Extella. This will spoil EXTRA, but not Extella, so no worries.
Ok I did a quick summary of EXTELLA/Zero from nasu's diary
This is basically an alternate reconstruction of Extra and serves as the base for EXTELLA, so basically EXTELLA takes place after this retelling. It consits of only one route. nasu planned to release as a book or something of this but he decided to just post the general outline of it on his diary ;
>Main Character:
Kishinami Hakuno (Male)
Basically everything is the same as PSP version
>Saber (Nero)
Same as PSP version
>Female Classmate (Female MC):
A girl who happens to pass by from time to time when Hakuno is in trouble to give him advice.
She is always eating yakisoba pan.
She's a character that wasn't in the PSP version so mislead the users by having them think "a new heroine!?"
--> Reveal
Isotope of Hakuno.
A NPC created by the SE.RA.PH, modeled after Hakuno. However since they are the same existence, and thus contradict each other, she has been arranged to be a female version of him.
When Hakuno aqcuires his ego, she also does since they are linked.
(However unlike male hakuno, she has no soul since there is only one soul)
She quickly recognizes she is not regular.
Since she is an inferior copy, she cannot bear the burden of the ego (soul) and is fated to self-destruct.
(Even if she wins the 7th round she will disappear right after, but archer is the only one who realizes this)
>Archer (Nameless):
Female MC's servant. Since he was summoned by the female MC, who has no soul, he is also not summoned in his regular form.
Half his body is collapsed, and burned.
Though he knows the circumstances of female MC, he lends her his strength and helps her fight until the very end.
--> From time to time, Archer will also help out hakuno which serves as foreshadowing. As for why he helps out hakuno, it is because if hakuno dies, so will female MC.
Archer is aiming for a "though he couldn't bring her to full victory and she didn't survive, she was satisfied"-ending.
-->Since his body is half-destroyed, Nero and Tamamo don't recognize who he is in EXTELLA.
The Archer in EXTELLA is from a world where the female MC won.
>Rin & Rani:
A little less screen-time than in the PSP ver, but mostly the same roles
Leo:
Mostly the same as in the PSP ver, but he loses the sixth round.
-->foreshadowing
He shows interest in hakuno and talks to him many times, but his conversations always seem incoherent.
"Huh? Didn't we talk about this before?"
"Yes, I am interested in you as well"
It's because Leo has been interacting with the female MC also.
He loses against female MC in the sixth round.
>Saber (Gawain)
It's Gawain.
>Julius & Li:
Mostly the same
>Shinji & Drake:
The same.
>Atlam:
Fourth round opponent. His servant is Caster (tamamo).
New master for the EXTRA reconstruction for the sake of EXTELLA.
Is acquainted with Leo in the real world. Because of the oil situation in EXTRA-world he's slightly uncomposed, but his personality is mostly the same.
Claims he's a feminist but only sees women as tools.
Says he respects Caster but looks down on her.
In the fourth round, he orders caster to seduce hakuno and make him feel sorry for her.
After he sends caster off he accesses the earth for data on hakuno, but finds nothing and is bewildered.
When he loses the battle against hakuno, he uses tamamo as a scapegoat to escape and survive on his own, but he is disposed of by either julius or the moon cell.
>Caster (tamamo)
Atlam's servant.
Knows she is being used, but won't object since a servant is supposed to obey until the end. (of course if atlam cancels their contract things are different)
After the battle she is sacrificed by atlam and burns out.
MC uses a command seal to help her.
Caster recovers quickly "Finally, I'm free!"
This is like when Arc easily escaped being erased by the firewall. After this she starts calling herself hakuno's servant.
>Dan & Archer:
Same.
>Twice Pieceman:
Mostly the same, but try to have him appear more so it's not so sudden at the end.
>PART II
>Reconstruction
It's a short version so it will only touch upon the important parts and cut all excess.
However, to be mentioned is that this is just if it was the nero route. If it's Archer or Tamamo route the details will differ.
>1st round
Mostly the same.
If there's budget, make the "next opponent announcement" flashier.
>2nd Round
same
>3rd round
same.
at the end caster & atlam are announced as the next opponents.
>4th round
Atlam is a character even more connected to the earth than leo, so explain the worldview through him. What's going on on the surface, how has the world ended in 2030.
Atlam feigns to be a virtuos person and tells hakuno he should "lose in order to let me live to save the world".
After the battle caster joins and nero and caster start happily fighting. This changes their realtionship from "two heroines in different worlds" to "two heroines in one world"
>5th round
Same
>Interlude
CCC happens around here. Caster remembers but Nero hardly does. "I feel like i fought a life-long roval called elizabeth, but what round was that again?"
>6th~7th round
Rin and Rani are defeated and they say their farewells. Finally it's time to face Leo... is what Hakuno thinks but he finds out Leo's lost.
The name of the master who defeated Leo and made it to the 7th round is hidden by jamming, and there's no trace of a master. Tamamo and Nero try to find out who it is but they find no one and cannot remove the mozaic from the name.
One of them proposes the idea that "maybe it's not hidden, but it was like this from the beginning?" and they come to the conclusion that their opponent has no name.
They protest to father kotomine that this is irregular, but he tells them that "no, your fight is in a sense very fair". Not knowing who his opponent is, hakuno steps into the elevator. At his side is noone.
Once he reaches the battlefield, there's a wasteland like the grand canyon. Both Hakuno and Female MC appear
His opponent was the female classmate. "Ah, I thought so..." Hakuno says contentedly.
Girl: "Let's go Archer. This is my last fight"
Appearing at the call of the girl's voice, Archer flies at Nero
The girl removes the texture she put over her avatar, to reveal her true face.
Her long hair swept by the wind, there stand the female MC, dignified.
Here we see things from her perspective a little.
We see how she struggled through the war, just like hakuno.
Her 6th round is the same as the PSP version 7th round.
->To leo, even if it was against the female MC, it doesn't change the fact that he lost to "Hakuno"
7th round end. The girl disappears together with Archer.
The male MC inherits the memories of female MC's confrontation with Leo.
>On the way to the moon cell core
On the way there they get caught by a bug check.
moon cell gets HELLA MAD(nasu's own words) that a servant who's supposed to already have lost is there (Tamamo).
--> parting with caster. imagine their parting scene in CCC. Unlike CC however, this check isn't so strong that she is deleted.
Caster plans to gain points with the MC by risking her life to have a heartfelt farewell scene, but Nero sees through her tricks. "Whatever, try again later!" "I'LL BE BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!"
That sure was a terrible accident, say hakuno as thei finally arrive to face twice.
>Messiah
Twice talks a lot
After Twice is defeated, take the end of the PSP ver and add CCC Nero end to it and have it kind of connect to EXTELLA like that.
Notable highlights for me:
1. Dear God! That was fantastic. Nasu pretty much merged all routes of EXTRA into a single route. Could Last Encore be an adaptation of this? I hope so, but it may not happen seeing he pretty much spoiled it in his blog. Damn, whatever LE will turn out to be, i want this.
2. For both EXTRA and GO, i've wanted both protagonists to be in the story. This pretty much adream come true for me.
3. Damn. Hakunon got the short end of the stick. No soul and no grail. But Mumei really showed his inner Shirou there. His relationship with Hakunon is both SO sweet and SO heart wrenching.
4. Atlam reminds me a lot of Atrum (Medea's Master). Same person?
5. Nero and Tamamo's interactions here are a carbon copy from the Drama CD's, which is pretty great.
6. And that's why Extella focuses more on Nero in
its True End. She IS Hakuno's ONLY Servant in this version of EXTRA. Nero is the only one who gets the new form because she's literally the only one who can get it.
7. They should freaking make this into Last Encore, goddammit.
Frostbite_ said: literally every picture in that post doesn't work for me
Oh well
Never leave a man behind. Reuploaded the pics on Imgur.
ssjokg said: EMIYA's natural enemy makes sense,since the Artoria he knows is like Shirou, fighting for an ideal.
Huh. Yeah, that'd make a great deal of sense since the Moon Cell's record of Artoria is the only one it could have recorded, her ideal-clad self before her death.
ssjokg said: do you guys have any hopes that the Xseed artbook will also include translations for everything the material book has?
Maybe they thought it was fine to describe it as an artbook?
Hakunon not being a fake that surpasses the original triggers me.
Archer Wank is strong. Half dead and still manages to beat Gawain.
So if Hakunon died in the 7th round, how is Extella's Hakunon alive?
Hakunon is one badass mofo. The fact that Archer could do what he did with her as a Master puts her on top of pretty much every Master in every war, excluding maybe Illya.
Winning against Gawain while half dead is one thing, but facing Gil, Iskander AND Artoria and surviving in Extella is another. Archer is broken inside the Moon Cell.
She's not. If you choose Hakunon in Extella, their roles are reversed with their gender.
Medusa's side-story end CG. It doesn't spoil the main story, so it's alright to open IMO.
Also, fffffucking Archer...
Artoria (Upon meeting Mumei/EMIYA): Wh...What are you doing here?
Artoria: Never mind, we'll talk later...I have to stop this! (Proceeds to turn her back to him to face the enemy. Totally letting her guard down in a sign of trust)
Mumei/EMIYA (Smiles fondly) You haven't changed at all Saber...
(Mumei/EMIYA then proceeds to stab her in the back)
I'll be very, very disappointed if that isn't what Last Encore will be.
It doesn't matter that he pretty much spoils how it would go. That didn't stop ufotable from adapting UBW or KnK when all Type-Moon fans knew the in and out of it all.
ShinsoPriest said: I'll be very, very disappointed if that isn't what Last Encore will be.
It doesn't matter that he pretty much spoils how it would go. That didn't stop ufotable from adapting UBW or KnK when all Type-Moon fans knew the in and out of it all.
Yeah, that's pretty much how i feel about this as well.
She's not. If you choose Hakunon in Extella, their roles are reversed with their gender.
You mean everything I read above about "Extra Zero"?
And yeah this Extra ssems more interesting than the old one.
Yes. We got the male version of Extella/Zero, but the fact that the events remain the same in Extella with Hakunon as the lead means that they are interchangeable in that story.
Extella second DLC includes Magical Jeanne costume. There is pic of it somewhere out there. Oh yeah, There are also MHX,Tamamo CCC, Medusa 3rd ascension and Gilgamesh 3rd ascension.
I'm glad the Vita version runs smoothly and isn't gimped like Hyrule Warriors 3ds. It only has less enemy spawns so the missions that require combo kills are adjusted accordingly to compensate. Definitely worth getting if you don't have a PS4.
Well it's to be expected when the PS4 version is just a port of the Vita version.
astroprogs said: Hey, Mick :D
Yeah, the game and the story look pretty fun, so disecting this stuff is gonna be fun.
Howdy Astro, it's been too long :))
Very fun, indeed. I can't wait to get it. Only thing to consider now is whether to shell out the extra money for the Noble Phantasm Edition...
Indeed :D I really miss our talks man.
The NP edition just has the artbook and the poster, which will be online shortly after the game is released, so it only depends on if you want a physical copy for collection sake.
Also, no Nero mousepad, so i wouldn't bother myself TBH >_>
ssjokg said: I still want to believe that they said artbook but meant translated extra material.
I mean... they say word for word " hardcover art book featuring over 100 pages of artwork from Fate/EXTELLA: The Umbral Star"
Over 100 pages of artwork?
Would they go this far, as to translate all of it? I hope they do, but i'm not expecting anything.
XSEED has a pretty good track record with their physical items though, so who knows.
how many pages is the material book and how many pages are the art pages before the info dumps appear?
Iunno. They can easily fill 100 pages with concept art of every single thing in the game if they wanted, so better not judge just from the number of pages.
ssjokg said: I still want to believe that they said artbook but meant translated extra material.
I mean... they say word for word " hardcover art book featuring over 100 pages of artwork from Fate/EXTELLA: The Umbral Star"
Over 100 pages of artwork?
Would they go this far, as to translate all of it? I hope they do, but i'm not expecting anything.
XSEED has a pretty good track record with their physical items though, so who knows.
how many pages is the material book and how many pages are the art pages before the info dumps appear?
Iunno. They can easily fill 100 pages with concept art of every single thing in the game if they wanted, so better not judge just from the number of pages.