Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
| just a simple question i wanted to ask. go ahead and justify your answer. |
| Uhm... no? I'm not sure I've even seen anyone refer to her as a loli... doesn't look anything like one either |
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| She's 17 man... unless loli categorization includes highschool aged kids. |
Iron_MawJun 19, 2016 7:14 AM
| NO/Thread SURE FUCK YOUR CHARACTER LIMIT |
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Koyomo said: This keeps coming up and it baffles me. Is Rem prepubescent? No? Then she's not a loli. I think it's because she looks rather petite in her uniform. |
| Beatrice is the loli character |
| No but felt and beatrice are |
| In my understanding of the word, yes, she is. What we call "loli" is basically the style in which a character(normally female) is drawn, that cute design with short stature, big eyes, etc. Really young characters or characters that seem to be really young but are actually a lot older than they seem to be Almost every female character in Re:Zero is a loli, mainly Beatrice, Felt, Rem and Ram In other shows, that not those slice of life/comedies, there's also for exemple Illiya(Fate), Shinobu(Monogatari), Wendy(Fairy Tail), Tatsumaki(One Punch Man) and that's all that I could think of now. Age doesn't really matter, some of them can be under 14 and others over 30 or even 500 and still be considered a loli |
Veldin461Jun 20, 2016 8:31 AM
Veldin461 said: In my understanding of the word, yes, she is. What we call "loli" is basically the style in which a character(normally female) is drawn, that cute design with short stature, big eyes, etc. Really young characters or characters that seem to be really young but are actually a lot older than they seem to be Almost every female character in Re:Zero is a loli, mainly Beatrice, Felt, Rem and Ram In other shows, that not those slice of life/comedies, there's also for exemple Illiya(Fate), Shinobu(Monogatari), Wendy(Fairy Tail), Tatsumaki(One Punch Man) and that's all that I could think of now. Age doesn't really matter, some of them can be under 14 and others over 30 or even 500 and still be considered a loli Um, Subaru's isn't much taller than here and again she's like 17. |
Veldin461 said: In my understanding of the word, yes, she is. What we call "loli" is basically the style in which a character(normally female) is drawn, that cute design with short stature, big eyes, etc. Really young characters or characters that seem to be really young but are actually a lot older than they seem to be Almost every female character in Re:Zero is a loli, mainly Beatrice, Felt, Rem and Ram In other shows, that not those slice of life/comedies, there's also for exemple Illiya(Fate), Shinobu(Monogatari), Wendy(Fairy Tail), Tatsumaki(One Punch Man) and that's all that I could think of now. Age doesn't really matter, some of them can be under 14 and others over 30 or even 500 and still be considered a loli I think you might be confusing "moe" with "loli". |
Jagd84 said: Um, Subaru's isn't much taller than here and again she's like 17. So what if she's 17? I dont get it. I just said that age doesn't have anything to do with it =/ Jagd84 said: I think you might be confusing "moe" with "loli". In my understanding with the little research I did "Loli" is a slang for what I said above, and "Moe" is a slang that refers to feelings of attraction or affection these type of characters might create. For exemple, like saying "This Loli elicit feelings of moe". Both slangs mean pretty much the same thing, but one refers to a character(basically a style) and the other refers to a feeling. Confusing both therms seems to be pretty easy, though xD |
| I'd define, say, Beatrice as being in that category, but not Rem. She looks well past 16 to me. Most people seem to agree that 12 and under is "loli" age. Then again, people have their own definitions of "loli" and debates have been going on forever on the web. :) That's one debate I'll never waste any time on. |
Veldin461 said: Jagd84 said: Um, Subaru's isn't much taller than here and again she's like 17. So what if she's 17? I dont get it. I just said that age doesn't have anything to do with it =/ Jagd84 said: I think you might be confusing "moe" with "loli". In my understanding with the little research I did "Loli" is a slang for what I said above, and "Moe" is a slang that refers to feelings of attraction or affection these type of characters might create. For exemple, like saying "This Loli elicit feelings of moe". Both slangs mean pretty much the same thing, but one refers to a character(basically a style) and the other refers to a feeling. Confusing both therms seems to be pretty easy, though xD Please, your understanding is completely wrong. Loli is not about a drawing style, never was. It is a body type, which is usually from prepubescent looking girls. And moe is basically "cute", that's all, end. Also... Search your information better next time. |
Dyzinel said: Veldin461 said: So what if she's 17? I dont get it. I just said that age doesn't have anything to do with it =/ In my understanding with the little research I did "Loli" is a slang for what I said above, and "Moe" is a slang that refers to feelings of attraction or affection these type of characters might create. For exemple, like saying "This Loli elicit feelings of moe". Both slangs mean pretty much the same thing, but one refers to a character(basically a style) and the other refers to a feeling. Confusing both therms seems to be pretty easy, though xD Please, your understanding is completely wrong. Loli is not about a drawing style, never was. It is a body type, which is usually from prepubescent looking girls. And moe is basically "cute", that's all, end. Also... Search your information better next time. He's actually correct about moe being a feeling of affection/care. It's only the western definition of moe that means cute. The Japanese have an entirely different use for the word than we do. It's simply that a lot of characters that elicit that moe response are "cute". You are spot on when it comes to loli. |
Veldin461 said: Jagd84 said: Um, Subaru's isn't much taller than here and again she's like 17. So what if she's 17? I dont get it. I just said that age doesn't have anything to do with it =/ It has ton to do with it and part of reason why the term exists and twins don't fit one of those basic tenets. Like iRels said you mistaken their moe appeal and petite figures as being loli when only applies to pubescent teenage girls (ages 12 and lower). Put Beatriice and Rem side by side to see what real loli looks like. |
| According to Subaru, Beatrice is a loli. For me, Beako, Rem, and Ram look loli. Beako's short. Rem's and Ram's faces don't look mature but their height does make them look like teens. I don't judge loli by age, I judge them by looks. Don't gouge my eye out if you disagree with me. Idk about your definition of loli. If you don't have a consensus about the definition of loli, this loli debate will never end since there's no methodology everyone agrees about. Obviously my loli definition is that if that person looks young, she's loli. But idk about the real definition. Who cares about the loli crap. This is just anime! A bunch of drawings. But if this is a live-action, then that's an issue (at least for me, since there could have been a moral issue there). Is the person below a loli? IMO, yes. If we use the age card, no.  |
crx07Jun 25, 2016 6:33 AM
| Everyone, read this and engrave my words in thou minds. As I said before "loli is a body type, which is usually from prepubescent looking girls" which DOESN'T' means the girl needs to be a prepubescent at all, but actually look like one. In short, age doesn't matter in the slightest, but the body type DOES and by a lot. When someone says "but anon looks 17" doesn't means the age is mattering at all, but that THE LOOKS are mattering and that's why it's a body type. The best example of loli I know is Oshino Shinobu; she is past 500 years old, but there you see her... As loli, not because it is a drawing style, but a body type which resembles a prepubescent girl, amem. |
crx07 said: According to Subaru, Beatrice is a loli. For me, Beako, Rem, and Ram look loli. Beako's short. Rem's and Ram's faces don't look mature but their height does make them look like teens. I don't judge loli by age, I judge them by looks. Don't gouge my eye out if you disagree with me. Idk about your definition of loli. If you don't have a consensus about the definition of loli, this loli debate will never end since there's no methodology everyone agrees about. Obviously my loli definition is that if that person looks young, she's loli. But idk about the real definition. Who cares about the loli crap. This is just anime! A bunch of drawings. But if this is a live-action, then that's an issue (at least for me, since there could have been a moral issue there). Is the person below a loli? IMO, yes. If we use the age card, no. Subaru only said that because he was acting like an idiot, heh. He must've been aware about what he was doing. But he didn't care. He was too carefree. But Beatrice's punished him a few times for his insolence. She's the body of a child, but a mind of an adult. If she had the mind of a child, then chronological age would be meaningless. But no, it also refers to her mental age. Dyzinel said: Everyone, read this and engrave my words in thou minds. As I said before "loli is a body type, which is usually from prepubescent looking girls" which DOESN'T' means the girl needs to be a prepubescent at all, but actually look like one. In short, age doesn't matter in the slightest, but the body type DOES and by a lot. When someone says "but anon looks 17" doesn't means the age is mattering at all, but that THE LOOKS are mattering and that's why it's a body type. The best example of loli I know is Oshino Shinobu; she is past 500 years old, but there you see her... As loli, not because it is a drawing style, but a body type which resembles a prepubescent girl, amem. You don't seem to get that 'Loli' is our construct. It doesn't exists there. Beatrice is a magical being. It's not unnatural for her to look the way she does. Loli refers to young girls, yeah. It came originally from them. When the person isn't young, but appears like, she's not truly a Loli. And like I said, Beatrice has an adult's mind. |
removed-userJun 25, 2016 8:51 AM
iRels said: You don't seem to get that 'Loli' is our construct. It doesn't exists there. Beatrice is a magical being. It's not unnatural for her to look the way she does. Loli refers to young girls, yeah. It came originally from them. When the person isn't young, but appears like, she's not truly a Loli. And like I said, Beatrice has an adult's mind. Ha, so you think a loli isn't actually a loli if her mind is not of a young girl? You also think a loli is not a loli if her age is not of a young girl too? And on top of that, you also think a loli is not a loli if the term doesn't exist there because there are beings that will remain looking young forever? Heh, Sir, I thought "loli" was our construct, and not what 24.79% of this thread thinks. By your terms, Shinobu wouldn't be a loli, nor would Hachikuji, not even Beako, and more than half of what we already consider as loli wouldn't be because you think they need to be young in all of those three; mind, body and age. |
iRels said: Subaru only said that because he was acting like an idiot, heh. He must've been aware about what he was doing. But he didn't care. He was too carefree. But Beatrice's punished him a few times for his insolence. She's the body of a child, but a mind of an adult. If she had the mind of a child, then chronological age would be meaningless. But no, it also refers to her mental age. Anyone would think Betty looks like a kid, because she does. There is nothing stupid about. Dyzinel said: Everyone, read this and engrave my words in thou minds. As I said before "loli is a body type, which is usually from prepubescent looking girls" which DOESN'T' means the girl needs to be a prepubescent at all, but actually look like one. In short, age doesn't matter in the slightest, but the body type DOES and by a lot. When someone says "but anon looks 17" doesn't means the age is mattering at all, but that THE LOOKS are mattering and that's why it's a body type. The best example of loli I know is Oshino Shinobu; she is past 500 years old, but there you see her... As loli, not because it is a drawing style, but a body type which resembles a prepubescent girl, amem. Not sure how anyone would think the twins look like their 12 or something since they aren't even much shorter than Subaru is and look much more developed than Betty an actual loli in terms of appearance. |
iRels said: In Hachikuji case, she's the mind of a child, still, right? Or not? I haven't watched enough of her. Is she faking it? If not, she's a Loli. I could actually quote every single sentence you just said, and I was in fact, going to do this. But I noticed that you actually understood perfectly what I'm saying, but choose not to follow it because you still prefer to say they need to be a young girl in body, mind and age. It's funny enough seeing you trying classify someone as loli while you analyze their mindset and actual age instead of the looks alone, Sir. iRels said: But still, this is much insistence. People go this far for this term? Guess it's understandable. Of course, it's the whole purpose of this forum, and I mus say... I enjoyed it by every bit. |
Dyzinel said: Veldin461 said: In my understanding with the little research I did "Loli" is a slang for what I said above, and "Moe" is a slang that refers to feelings of attraction or affection these type of characters might create. For exemple, like saying "This Loli elicit feelings of moe". Both slangs mean pretty much the same thing, but one refers to a character(basically a style) and the other refers to a feeling. Confusing both therms seems to be pretty easy, though xD Please, your understanding is completely wrong. Loli is not about a drawing style, never was. It is a body type, which is usually from prepubescent looking girls. And moe is basically "cute", that's all, end. Also... Search your information better next time. Have you been watching so much anime that you now think it's real life or something? xD If you read your comment better you will realize that you basically said "Loli is not about a drawing style, it never was. It's actually a drawing style" About "Moe", Ninjasander already explained it. Basically how "Anime" means japanese cartoons to us but to japanese people it means catoons in general Just as I said, I didn't do much research cause I don't really care. Just thought I might be of some help to people who can't spend 2 minutes to open wikipedia. But I think these 2 minutes was enough to kinda understand these therms. They are just internet slangs and japenese therms, is not something that hard to undestand |
Veldin461Jun 25, 2016 2:42 PM
| You guys are funny. I like it, though not as much as I like some lolis. |
DyzinelJun 25, 2016 4:27 PM
iRels said: Jagd84 said: Anyone would think Betty looks like a kid, because she does. There is nothing stupid about. He's in a fantasy world. He took someone as a child by appearance alone. He was stupid, yes. What his intention might've been, was to be condescending. It's the same that happened when he patted Felt's head. Felt's experienced much more than him in life. She struggled more. Yet he treated her as being below him. It was her that faced Elsa the first time, when he stood there, cowering in fear. But it seems like he'll be taught a(nother) lesson, from the preview. (As previous ones weren't enough.) Doesn't matter if it's a fanstasy world or not. Somethings still remain reasonable to assume until said otherwise. |
iRels said: Veldin461 said: Have you been watching so much anime that you now think it's real life or something? xD If you read your comment better you will realize that you basically said "Loli is not about a drawing style, it never was. It's actually a drawing style" About "Moe", Ninjasander already explained it. Basically how "Anime" means japanese cartoons to us but to japanese people it means catoons in general Just as I said, I didn't do much research cause I don't really care. Just thought I might be of some help to people who can't spend 2 minutes to open wikipedia. But I think these 2 minutes was enough to kinda understand these therms. They are just internet slangs and japenese therms, is not something that hard to undestand It's not drawing style, dude. There are many body types, depicting characters of different ages. What's with 'think it's real life'? What kinda argument are you using? Anime that lack sense, are criticized for it. It's not accepted unless given a good reason to. So you're saying: "It's anime, who cares! Yay!" Hahah. =_= Not that I have to, but let me explain to you cause probably I have too much freetime today... "It is a body type, which is usually from prepubescent looking girls" are we talking about real girls? no, we are talking about girls drawn on paper. A so said "body type" in this case is a drawing style. Manga/Anime itself has their own drawing style and a "loli" is just a subcategory. Simple as that, it was not even an argument, I just spot a contradiction and called it out |
| The guy above is questioning a body type because it is a drawing, what is next, we questioning gravity because it is a drawing? |
DyzinelJun 25, 2016 5:42 PM
| Lots of misinformed people here, age has nothing to do with whether a character is a loli or not, only the look matters. If you have a 500 year old vampire which has a body that looks like a 7 year old then she is a loli. |
| Why do I even bother... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolicon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moe_(slang) Here you have all the information you need, and you can see for yourselfs if Rem fits with the description. Whatever your answer may be, it's just a damn slang, interpret the way you want. And Dyzinel, I don't understand what you are trying to say, it doesn't make any sence... and nice random meme, btw |
GoldenKappa said: Lots of misinformed people here, age has nothing to do with whether a character is a loli or not, only the look matters. If you have a 500 year old vampire which has a body that looks like a 7 year old then she is a loli. THIS. Thanks someone else from the 75% appeared to defend the term correctly. |
| Even Rory Mercury from Gate is referred to as a gothic loli despite being hundreds of years old. People need to get their facts straight. Loli refers to an attractive, outwardly childlike character, regardless of age. |
Judgment526 said: Even Rory Mercury from Gate is referred to as a gothic loli despite being hundreds of years old. People need to get their facts straight. Loli refers to an attractive, outwardly childlike character, regardless of age. Mental age. Like I referred above. It's one important aspect. Imagine a feminist woman's mind in a loli's body. I wonder how attractive will she be.  |
removed-userJun 26, 2016 8:59 AM
| That's exactly why that meme wasn't random... |
DyzinelJun 26, 2016 4:03 PM
Jotakak said: Beatrice is the loli character Exactly. Felt too. The twins Ram and Rem are more sketchy, but not easy to determine. I won't get deeper into this though, last time I did in this forum people acted like unleashed untold evils upon them. |
| Jaywalker. |
iRels said: Epicenter said: Exactly. Felt too. The twins Ram and Rem are more sketchy, but not easy to determine. I won't get deeper into this though, last time I did in this forum people acted like unleashed untold evils upon them. =_= Prepubescence ends at ages 9-10. And none of the little girls were depicted sexually. They're not true lolis. Tatsumaki from One Punch Man is also not. Age don't matter, it is the intent of the author/creators that define what is a loli to me. Tatsumaki I'm not so sure her lower body is very developed, I consider her to be more based on adult short females without big boobs. I think this pretending is very annoying from people, we all know what authors are doing when they have characters like Felt and Beatrice, they're appealing to those who enjoy the sexualization of children for popularity. |
| Jaywalker. |
| I'm bouncing for real this time nothing is going to make me respond again, IDK why I responded to that last post since I know better. But you all should accept reality, it's not necessarily bad that people enjoy that stuff, but you shouldn't ignore the reason for it's existence and try to act like you don't see a loli when you see one. Pce. |
| Jaywalker. |
GundamMister00 said: No she's not.In my opinion....She's a teen Loli, or Half-Loli. Loli stems from the word Lolita. |
| Down on the West Coast They got a sayin' |
| Not young enough is the right answer. |
Rehls said: >implying that Shinobu isn't a loli.Veldin461 said: So what if she's 17? I dont get it. I just said that age doesn't have anything to do with it =/ In my understanding with the little research I did "Loli" is a slang for what I said above, and "Moe" is a slang that refers to feelings of attraction or affection these type of characters might create. For exemple, like saying "This Loli elicit feelings of moe". Both slangs mean pretty much the same thing, but one refers to a character(basically a style) and the other refers to a feeling. Confusing both therms seems to be pretty easy, though xD None of them is Loli thou. Like some said, they're not prepubescent. Loli refers to those, that are then shown to be sexually attractive/erotic. Felt that is the youngest, is 15. She's small because genes - and likely, malnutrition. The art? It depicts them to be really pretty. Because the artists want you to like them. Beatrice isn't even human. By our standards, she'd have been a dwarf person. But there, she's some fairy. >implying that Lambdadelta isn't a loli >implying that Bernkastel isn't a loli >implying that Illyasviel isn't a loli >implying that *insert every legal loli characters* aren't loli |
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