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Sodalicious_ said: Quick quick You haven't answered Aa-dono or Lucy+my question fights are good. trains are coming up too early maybe, but what would I know, haven't been present for the first 24. |
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LucianRoy said: I like how he moved from pressuring Nightwing to voting Penta, his scumread.Aside from speaking in double to triple entendres, Dono, read on Fo? It's like "I don't have a lead yet, but if pressuring Nightwing can get me one, sure" to "Oh hey, I found scum! Pursue him." I don't quite understand how he found Penta scum, but if he was scum himself, he could have stayed in Nightwing's train longer. So he's my less-likely-to-be-scum or town (though I don't like to use the latter because I have the bad habit to ignore my townread). |
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SympathyDolphin said: What I'm trying to say is, you came and first thought was "remove that vote from me", not "find scum"?aa-dono said: So you're trying to threaten him into removing his vote on you? it doesn't quite work if I have to explain it fully to everyone. |
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aa-dono said: What I'm trying to say is, you came and first thought was "remove that vote from me", not "find scum"? It could help. |
Living is a velleity, because ice cream is life. |
LucianRoy said: You can just answer later if you really want to. Gotta pressure always xD |
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SympathyDolphin said: Help what?aa-dono said: What I'm trying to say is, you came and first thought was "remove that vote from me", not "find scum"? It could help. |
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aa-dono said: Help what? I dunno, just let the game play out I have no reasonings |
Living is a velleity, because ice cream is life. |
SympathyDolphin said: I have no reasonings you should talk to my friend pentaflare You two might get along |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
LucianRoy said: SympathyDolphin said: I have no reasonings you should talk to my friend pentaflare You two might get along seemsgood |
Living is a velleity, because ice cream is life. |
LucianRoy said: SympathyDolphin said: I have no reasonings you should talk to my friend pentaflare You two might get along Pls roy So passive aggressive |
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| How much have you backread Dolphin? up to Penta's vote on you? |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
LucianRoy said: How much have you backread Dolphin? up to Penta's vote on you? you see, I skimmed. like, really badly through everything, I'd have gone through it again before the 48hour mark. |
Living is a velleity, because ice cream is life. |
| It wouldn't be a good game without me pulling some kind of oddball play. People have said often that I am an easy lynch on Day 1 that scum like to take advantage of. So this time, I've tried to see what I can do to play that up. Here's what I've noted about each of the people who have voted for me so far: |
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| Can you like actually do this at the beginning? |
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| Unvote: Penta Because he finally did shit Thank you Idec if he says my vote was bad and that me unvoting is probably going to make things worse looking for me but *clap* You did a think penta I'm proud of you |
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| Vote: Turquiose_Neko This one is probably going to make me look even more suspicious because I'm just jumping on the train But I did list Neko to be one of the players I suspected earlier, and it'd be counter intuitive for me not to vote for someone who I believe could be scum (I really don't like that word is there a better, less insulting word I can use?) |
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| "Mafia" or maf or non-town work fine, but there's no good word that encompasses both mafia and third party other than scum. |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
Vote Count 1.5  [4] PentaFlare - Fo, Nightwing, mallorean_thug, SympathyDolphin [3] turquoise_neko - LucianRoy, aa-dono, Sodalicious_ [2] Nightwing - Karote, Navizel [1] _Claire_ - Kasai [1] mallorean_thug - _Claire_ [1] SympathyDolphin - PentaFlare Not Voting: turquoise_neko With 13 alive, it’s 7 votes to soft lynch and 10 votes to hard lynch. Deadline is here. Votecount 1.4 |
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Navizel said: Karote said: yea more pressure more info to choke out I don't buy this for some reason. I'm not trying to sell it to you anyways. |
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you know it bby |
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Soda said: Wut u doin' carrot? What are you trying to achieve by jumping on this bandwagon? Absolutely nothing than to see some reactions. |
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Who you selling it to? |
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| you know what contributing kasai = scum Vote change: Kasai did you change your meta or wut? |
sachawonJul 22, 2016 11:31 PM
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aa-dono said: How is he contributing? by actually posting opinions and asking questions. which he usually doesn't as town and is stubborn to look anti-town. I caught him as SK in Hetalia mafia when he played like this. |
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mallorean_thug said: Sodalicious_ said: Why u aa-dono? Interactions. Thread flow. [redacted]. Maybe I'll explain later. Do you think that neko and/or Karote are likely scumbuddies with each other or Penta? Or just independently scummy? Why do you think that? |
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Sodalicious_ said: Unvote: Penta Because he finally did shit Thank you Idec if he says my vote was bad and that me unvoting is probably going to make things worse looking for me but *clap* You did a think penta I'm proud of you why do you think neko is suspicious? or just following the crowd? |
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| [quote] Questioning people's townreads without having a clear purposes is the #1 scumtell. What clear purposes are acceptable? - When you're scumreading the person in question. Can't do that now, it' just day one. - When you're scumreading the person giving the read. You seem to be very proactive at finding scum, so that might incline toward town-friendly. - When you're looking at the relationships between people involved in the read. Most of the players know each other from other mafia game, but how is this helping now? Don't really see the point in that on day 1. - When you're likely to die soon, and you want to leave the thread your thoughts, no matter how poorly thought out they are. It seems you want to lynch me soon, don't really know why, but hope I'll change your mind ^^ Neko was not doing any of those things. They were simply saying that the general mood of the thread was wrong, while misreading the mood of the thread. And they were making no effort to gets reads on the people involved based on the situation. No casual links to possible buddies for Lucian, no talking about who's leading the thread in the wrong direction, and no vote on Lucian. Pure fear-mongering. Then they promise to not vote. This is probably a meta-clash thing, but where I'm from, abstaining at all is extremely scummy. Your vote is how you speak to the thread, how you clear yourself, and how we can find connections later with votal analysis. Not voting makes it so you fit into more possible scumteams, and you're unlikely to get the person you want lynched. Scum avoid voting because they don't want to accidentally anti-align themselves with too many town in case they get caught, and its much easier to get caught for a bad vote than for an invisible abstain. Then, they show awareness of the current wagons and . . . dismiss most of the votes on both as non-serious, but also say that they're fine with either wagon, giving fake numbers for why on Penta, and a policy reason (that's not even correct?!) for Nightwing. But still don't vote either. All in all, a very scummy entrance to the thread. I /could/ buy them just being new, but that's going to take some prodding to figure out. One mistake, I didn't say i wouldn't vote at all, just not right now, maybe tomorrow- still Day 1! |
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mallorean_thug said: turquoise_neko said: No i don't find this scummy and don't really want to reverse vote without reason. But you have a reason, AND you threatened to reverse vote? Was it just a bluff? I don't bluff, I'm just warning first. turquoise_neko said: I think it's easier who (I think) doesn't see LucianRoy as town: Nightwing, Navizel and maybe Fo Does that make Lucian more or less likely to actually be town? If he's scum, how do you think his scumbuddies are treating him? I think that his actions determine weather he's town or not, not what others think. I was just trying to give a signal and say that you should also think of someone of as being mafia on day 1, that's all. And about scumbuddies, i guess they would be neutral right now. Yep, that sure is what I'd like to see you doing right now. You're so demanding... turquoise_neko said: I can't pinpoint the person now but, they're probably just adding to the vote count atm. Nope i don't think Penta/Nightwing is town/town, they may as well be mafia/mafia ^^ Nope, i think there is only one scum now in the train (the other ones being on stand-by or on somebody else's vote^^). Actually the question is quite interesting- how many scums do you think there are? I'd say 3. This is very unclear and unhelpful. Please be specific, don't just give me theory. My specific thoughts about the setup are [redacted]. But assuming 3 for votal analysis is as good a place to start as any. what is unclear about the question if you already understood it? And about being specific, I can't be right now and I don't know why you're asking me this when you also aren't specific. You voted me for a lame reason, just because I don't fit in your pattern Black dot for you ^^ |
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turquoise_neko said: yeah, everyone (*joking) I usually tend to get scummreads later, but I think there is a scum among those that are voting for Penta or Nightwing. Who exactly would you consider to be scum amongst those vote trains? And if there are scum amongst them then does that make penta or Night more town to you? I kinda didn't read anything past this post, because I got lazy. But so far I don't read anyone as town tbh. (Solid town that is) THere are people who seem more pro-town to me As for my more pro-scum reads Those would go to Carrot for the random vote changing and the only reason being someone thinking his vote was a joke and he wanted to add pressure. Not exactly solid reasons imo. And to Turquise Neko Those early mistakes could have just been mistakes, everyone makes them. could have been an attempt to draw attention to something else. Also the fact that they've given lots of recap and little information for us to go on. Even when questioned all they've said is they get reads later and that they can't exactly pin point a scum read because everyone's using meta.[/quote] It really was a mistake. And sincerelly did anyone give any real info until now ? I will post a list with who i think is pro-town and who could be anti-town after I finish reading |
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aa-dono said: Right but what I meant was; if you're gonna call something odd but not scummy I'm wondering why you felt it was notable enough to talk about in the first place?Odd could also mean just different from me :/ I brought it up in case that's the reason you're scumreading him. I wanted to know. I think his vote is for pressure. Did you think Lucian is not giving enough effort for that townread on him? What gave you the impression it was for pressure, claire hadn't even posted yet. And no I think you're misunderstanding the point here. Lucian putting in effort is something that he's gonna do regardless of alignment. I've seen some of his scumwalls trust me. The townread is scummy because penta knows this and I think a town penta harbors a bit more paranoia about lucian than to just townread him instantly for something null and coupled with an entrance that wasn't town at all outside of that. I think he's a pretty good lynch. |
Nightwing said: It's because he knows how to look town.Lucian always gets townread I've misread him the last two games day 1 though so I'm gonna keep my read on him pocketed for now. If he's town he's good to have around and if he's scum I'll catch him eventually. |
Sodalicious_ said: Vote: Turquiose_Neko This one is probably going to make me look even more suspicious because I'm just jumping on the train But I did list Neko to be one of the players I suspected earlier, and it'd be counter intuitive for me not to vote for someone who I believe could be scum (I really don't like that word is there a better, less insulting word I can use?) So I'm the counter-intuitive vote, yeah great reason >< |
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Navizel said: Actually this is a pretty decent point I didn't pick up on.I'm not liking Nightwing right now. He's being aware of Penta and Lucian because of past games. All these Lucian posts and he's still basing his Lucian read on meta. "weird feeling" on Claire's posts when she hasn't even posted. Like night got a good amount of heat early; i think scum are more likely to just FOS randomly to appease the people asking for reads rather than keep it real there. |
turquoise_neko said: Sodalicious_ said: Vote: Turquiose_Neko This one is probably going to make me look even more suspicious because I'm just jumping on the train But I did list Neko to be one of the players I suspected earlier, and it'd be counter intuitive for me not to vote for someone who I believe could be scum (I really don't like that word is there a better, less insulting word I can use?) So I'm the counter-intuitive vote, yeah great reason >< Tfw I messed up my post ;-; |
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LucianRoy said: This is a barrier that I had to learn to break but once I did my reads on average became far more on point. I was going to comment on this earlier, but I decided not to because my exact train of thought went something like this: I shouldn't comment on Penta's read on me because if I were viewing it from a third party perspective, (i.e, neither him nor I), then I would view penta's town read for a post that was already labelled as non-alignment indicative by many others as scummy. But, is he reading my words town? no, he's read the mindset town via meta. I'd rather not have to be a judge of my own meta this game, as it's bad play, but I didn't immediately read penta as scummy for that post. Like, I don't want to hand back a meta read to him, so that's all I'll say for now. Don't take a completely bullshit townread on you and call it town. It will bite you in the ass every time. Like letting your meta bog you down is never good. Learn about yourself and how you play, that way you know when people are ascertaining too much about you and you're well aware of it. |
| It's weak; but kasai's posting on page 5 is underwhelming as fuck. Scumreads karote but doesn't vote him. Some theory stuff. Then some boring questions to Nightwing about reads (and not reads reads, just like, the term reads lol) that don't really strike me as the kind of questions where you're gonna get anything worthwhile for reading someone out of the answers. KASAI SHOW ME SOME ACTUAL MEAT OR DIE |
Fo said: I mention anything I find odd.aa-dono said: Right but what I meant was; if you're gonna call something odd but not scummy I'm wondering why you felt it was notable enough to talk about in the first place?Odd could also mean just different from me :/ I brought it up in case that's the reason you're scumreading him. I wanted to know. I think his vote is for pressure. Did you think Lucian is not giving enough effort for that townread on him? What gave you the impression it was for pressure, claire hadn't even posted yet. And no I think you're misunderstanding the point here. Lucian putting in effort is something that he's gonna do regardless of alignment. I've seen some of his scumwalls trust me. The townread is scummy because penta knows this and I think a town penta harbors a bit more paranoia about lucian than to just townread him instantly for something null and coupled with an entrance that wasn't town at all outside of that. I think he's a pretty good lynch. Town Penta would pressure for reads. This brings me to two things now: - Penta said it wasn't for pressure. And the vote was supposed to be out of RVS vote. That's the impression I got from "Yay, we've started." And having reads (meaning reading thread carefully). That's a contradiction. - Missing Claire. This felt unlike her. I agree with about Lucian. Hnnnnnnnnnn......... Vote Penta |
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PentaFlare said: I think the point on his rvs here is fair. My vote on Claire was RVS. There was no actual lynch intent in that vote. Why in the world are you all putting so much thought into it? I just worded it in a different way so that I could be sure she would actually react to it and not shrug it off because it's just random. I actually liked her entrance into the game. For an RVS vote, I'm pretty satisfied with what it produced. Also, not agreeing with my reasoning on the Lucian read isn't a scum tell, that's just a difference of opinion. Not sure why I am getting a vote for that. But the weight of my push wasn't even for that. Could be scum either misrepping me on my point, or legitimately doesn't realize why what he did was scummy. LOL |
| Speaking of RVS; soda what do you think about penta not responding to your reachout page 1? |
| So as i promised, a list of what i think about each player: Pro town: mallorean_thug- although it was dirrected towards me, i liked that you questioned me and tried to fit me in someplace- a bit too analytical, but definetly pro-town PentaFlare- actually posted what he thought about each player/vote, pro town and if I am to go by my very old meta when Penta was mafia he would have been very agressive, actively looking for scum, not like now Fo- I didn't really understand the vote against Claire, but I like the last post where you're starting to scumread Kasai- I like the fact that you explained to me why voting and vote changing is good, it was in a townie way Neutral: (still trying to figure out this part) _Claire_ Navizel Nightwing- you made good comments but bad votes so not sure where to put you Karote- not saying much, but maybe that's how it is on day 1 aa-dono Probably scum: I will consider those that voted for me as being scum until proven otherwise, because voting for me seems the most convenient for mafia right now: LucianRoy Sodalicious_ I want a real reason for voting me please and if you have questions I'll answer them *saw that vote change now |
turquoise_nekoJul 23, 2016 2:01 AM
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LucianRoy said: This. What is it with people and procrastinating this stuff? This is the fault. This is why the town frantically rushes to vote someone at the end of the dayphase when we could've already locked a lynch. I mean it's different and we do lynch scum that way but it takes mucho town involvment and deadline to be at a decent time for me. :p |
Fo said: PentaFlare said: I think the point on his rvs here is fair. My vote on Claire was RVS. There was no actual lynch intent in that vote. Why in the world are you all putting so much thought into it? I just worded it in a different way so that I could be sure she would actually react to it and not shrug it off because it's just random. I actually liked her entrance into the game. For an RVS vote, I'm pretty satisfied with what it produced. Also, not agreeing with my reasoning on the Lucian read isn't a scum tell, that's just a difference of opinion. Not sure why I am getting a vote for that. But the weight of my push wasn't even for that. Could be scum either misrepping me on my point, or legitimately doesn't realize why what he did was scummy. LOL -> Vote for someone, provide reason so that person doesn't shrug it off, question why others question him. Even if it's a plan to get reaction, he should have known that people will want to think about why anyone vote for anyone. @Fo I don't get it. My vote on him right now is mainly for answers, and I still don't get what's yours. @_Claire_ what do you think of things up to this point? @PentaFlare Dolphin's here. What's next. |
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turquoise_neko said: I think voting for Penta would be most convenient for mafia right now.I will consider those that voted for me as being scum until proven otherwise, because voting for me seems the most convenient for mafia right now |
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aa-dono said: turquoise_neko said: I think voting for Penta would be most convenient for mafia right now.I will consider those that voted for me as being scum until proven otherwise, because voting for me seems the most convenient for mafia right now yes it seems so, I posted when the vote was pretty close 4:3 But I really don't get why you're voting with Penta now, he actually gave some reads, although i can agree that their attitude and action is contradictory . |
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Soda said: Then we get a wall with something! That's nice. Well, Neko hasn't voted for anyone, and I kinda think that the reason behind this is just to make themselves kinda not stand out? Seeing as you called them out for not voting and their response was that you couldn't get them to vote that way. I know this is probably not a good way of thinking, but I tend to not follow along with other's suggestions when I'm playing a scum. I'd much rather come up with my own completely misleading theory. SO that's why I think Neko's not voting for anyone could be suspicious. But this quip here I'm reading it and trying to match this to an actual thought process and struggling. Like he goes from; neko hasn't voted anyone >>> okay means he doesn't want to stand out >>> that's fair Tells Thug that his pushing of turquoise to vote didn't work >>> not sure how this fits in Some hedge >>> okay That's why turquoise's not voting could be suspicious >>> and we've gone full circle Just reads really overinflated and like I said doesn't come across like an actual step by step thought process that brought soda to a destination ya know? |
PentaFlare said: Okay so which one is it? It wouldn't be a good game without me pulling some kind of oddball play. People have said often that I am an easy lynch on Day 1 that scum like to take advantage of. So this time, I've tried to see what I can do to play that up. Here's what I've noted about each of the people who have voted for me so far: Your opening line here is essentially saying "yo I've been playing scummy on purpose to get reads" but then you go on to dissect the votes on you and you still discredit my reasoning for voting you. |
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