| So this thread mainly focus on Strawhat pirates and other Worst Generation. So, I have seen the latest chapter. Eustass Kid was beaten up badly that he seems barely alive in front of four emperor - Kaido. Point 1(underlined) : Aside from 2 members of Worst Generation Luffy and Zoro, all other members have been "trained" under New World for 2 years. Real combat man to man fight with those very experienced people in New World. They survived these 2 years somehow until they actually facing one of the four emperor themselves. Point 2: While Strawhat pirates, they don't have actual combat experiences with those from New World (excluding non-manga OVA,etc series). All they have train are from fighting monster, learn new thing from nature/mentor, self-invent weapon, etc. Question(bold) : So, from the view of pt 1 and 2, do you really think that Strawhat pirates can actually beat four emperor? Even with the help of Strawhat's Grand Fleet/pirate alliances, I also don't think they can beat four emperor. From what I see in the Dressrosa arc, these so-called pirate alliance members, they also "trained" and survived in New World for at least 1 year and yet Luffy and his crew still able to outpowered these people by defeating Doflamingo and highest executives. In short, these pirate alliances members are pretty much useless. What do you think? Will they be plot twist similar to Naruto's Kyuubi or Bleach's inner persona/hollow? |
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| Well, it is unlikely that they we be going on another training any time soon. I hope that there would not be like Naruto and Bleach where they got sudden overpowered after they die/lose once. Seeing how Nami weapon upgraded, I hope for something like weapon upgrade along the way instead. |
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| I think if my logic is correct, StrawHat can't even beat other from Worst Generation due to lack of 2 years actual combat experience. |
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| It does pays off. I think The Straw Hats is considerably far stronger compared to other Supernova thanks to their training. Just look at Law and Luffy power difference. Well, Mingo was an overpowered enemy that even Luffy and Law barely able to defeat, but note that Doffy can't do shit against G4 Luffy, and thats prove it's true power and it's possibility to rival against a yonkou, the only shortcoming G4 had is the time limit, Luffy body can't hold that long when he in G4, similar case with G2 back then, if he somehow able to overcome those shortcoming or at least extend the G4 time limitlimit, he might had a chance. |
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| But I still think that "trained" and fight under very experience fighter in new world > trained under a mentor and fight beast |
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| Well they did get stronger... tho Oda failed in the last big arc (Dressrosa). Someone like Robin was left baby sitting, Usopp still had some cowardly moments (for gags sake?), and Luffy needed Law's help to defeat Doffy, and Law's DF is one of the most OP DFs in the whole story, and that opened up the debate wether Luffy could beat Doffy on his own or not... Basically, I don't see Luffy soloing a Yonkou... unless he has something like Gear 5, but even so, I still think he'll need help against a yonkou. But to say the least, I do enjoy the Strawhat-Heart Pirate alliance. |
metsujinApr 22, 2016 11:47 AM
metsujin said: Well they did get stronger... tho Oda failed in the last big arc (Dressrosa). Someone like Robin was left baby sitting, Usopp still had some cowardly moments (for gags sake?), and Luffy needed Law's help to defeat Doffy, and Law's DF is one of the most OP DFs in the whole story, and that opened up the debate wether Luffy could beat Doffy on his own or not... Basically, I don't see Luffy soloing a Yonkou... unless he has something like Gear 5, but even so, I still think he'll need help against a yonkou. But to say the least, I do enjoy the Strawhat-Heart Pirate alliance. Usopp becoming brave is his end goal(partly) and his cowardice is *the* character trait of his. He got stronger not braver, or at least not brave enough. He only manned up later in the arc if you remember. Luffy never would've cake-walked Hody, even touch Ceasar or defeated Doffy(Let's disregard the Law factor) without the training and he wouldn't have progressed in strength at a more rapid speed. This logic runs entirely on context, the whole timeskip does really, of course, he never fought any of these people before hand. Although the Ceasar thing holds true, obviously. do you really think that Strawhat pirates can actually beat four emperor Right now? No, only because it doesn't matter yet. Crocodile and Oz were clearly bigger obstacles than Arlong that he couldn't even use conventional strength to beat. Big Mom and Kaido are clearly stronger than Dolfamingo who he barely defeated. Really, when gets to the point where the story says he has to defeat Big Mom he'll either use some inconvenient tools to win like Oz and Crocodile or have gotten strong enough to do so because it's convenient to the story. Crocodile was stronger than Arlong, he used smarts. Lucci was clearly stronger than Arlong(at least), Gear 2nd/3rd. The only question is how he does it, but the plot is obviously setting up for him to fight at least two of them in Big Mom/Kaido(regardless of how it ends up). The only real wrench in the equation is how soon it could happen since Yonko are so actively important in the last, what, 150 chapters? As I've said before around here, the Emperors are obviously the central part of the story as of now and have been somewhat central since fishman island. You could say "How is Luffy strong enough to challenge a Shichibakui" before Alabasta or "how is Luffy strong enough to challenge such an important member of the Marines" before Water 7 and now "how can Luffy even challenge the Emperors", but the story's gotta move some time man. Even with the help of Strawhat's Grand Fleet/pirate alliances, I also don't think they can beat four emperor. From what I see in the Dressrosa arc, these so-called pirate alliance members, they also "trained" and survived in New World for at least 1 year and yet Luffy and his crew still able to outpowered these people by defeating Doflamingo and highest executives. In short, these pirate alliances members are pretty much useless. If I were to guess from One Piece's trends, I'd guess the alliance fight the yonkou crew members/alliance or whatever and not the Yonkou themselves if that were to happen at all. Edit: I don't think literally the whole crew will fight Big Mom/Kaido but he might get help from Law and his crew or something, but judging from every other one piece arc ever the crew fights the other strong members of the antagonist crew and Luffy fights the Warlord. |
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tr1ckst3r said: It does pays off. I think The Straw Hats is considerably far stronger compared to other Supernova thanks to their training. Just look at Law and Luffy power difference. What difference? Oda portrayed them as equals. Law fought DD & Fuji while Luffy was fighting fodder + DCJ. Then Law fought DD again and got thrown into the middle of the city and got shot. Then, eventually, Luffy & Law tag teamed DD -- the latter was obviously much more fatigued than the former. Well, Mingo was an overpowered enemy that even Luffy and Law barely able to defeat, but note that Doffy can't do shit against G4 Luffy, and thats prove it's true power and it's possibility to rival against a yonkou, the only shortcoming G4 had is the time limit, Luffy body can't hold that long when he in G4, similar case with G2 back then, if he somehow able to overcome those shortcoming or at least extend the G4 time limitlimit, he might had a chance. And you should note that that has to do with the fact that DD suffered a mortal wound caused by Law's Gamma Knife & Counter Shock. If not for that, DD wouldn't have forced his DF to do shoddy first aid on himself. As for G4 vs Law, the KKG has the same AoE as Law's slash on Punk Hazard, and considering that Law's slash was pretty much casual, he could probably amp up his DC. Therefore, just as they should be equal via status, they are balanced via portrayal of feats. Lastly, as for the Yonko speculation, G4 as it is now is still not capable of defeating one, even with an unlimited time limit. KKG was at the very best island level, however, Akainu received WB's all-out rage when he blindsided him yet still got up to fight the WB commanders, so, for the sake of this specific argument, Yonko & Admirals are most likely in the same sub-tier, an Emperor would be able to withstand KKG. |
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| If a two-year training timeskip was enough to defeat Yonkous, the very concept of Yonkou would be severely downplayed. Luffy still has some room for progression before he can reach the Pirate King throne. The timeskip was necessary to keep some guarantees of survival in the New World, which were way more needed for the Straw Hats than for any other Supernova crew due to their history of pissing off the World Government with their constant attacks to the structure of Shichibukai, the incident of Impel Down and the declaration of war. The Straw Hats and specially Luffy were at the spotlight of everything and everybody, and it's specially noticeable when you consider that the Fake Straw Hats were a thing. Not to mention their habit of landing into islands when major screwed up events are going to happen. |
| Story-wise? No. Logi-wise? Still no. |
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| Like the pacifistic got one-two shotted by the monster trio after the timeskip when it took the whole crew to defeat one of them before it. What do you think was the point of that? They clearly got stronger by alot even if they can't defeat the endgame opponents like the yonkou. It's obvious to see why the timeskip had to happen, it was set up pretty well really. He got defeated twice by Crocodile because he couldn't even touch him, he had to almost kill himself to defeat Oz, he lost his whole crew to Kuma, that he barely defeated Dolfamingo only really helps that. The timeskip was set up three years before it happened. Not intentionally from the moment Luffy couldn't touch Crocodile, but Oda often connects older things to newer things in some form. The timeskip had a lot of reason to happen. This doesn't even make sense lol if we are using logic it's going to be based on the story so they mean the exact same thing. There's no real life logic for training to hold your ground against the four emperors and seven warlords of the sea. |
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ziggy_Z said: tr1ckst3r said: It does pays off. I think The Straw Hats is considerably far stronger compared to other Supernova thanks to their training. Just look at Law and Luffy power difference. What difference? Oda portrayed them as equals. Law fought DD & Fuji while Luffy was fighting fodder + DCJ. Then Law fought DD again and got thrown into the middle of the city and got shot. Then, eventually, Luffy & Law tag teamed DD -- the latter was obviously much more fatigued than the former. Well, Mingo was an overpowered enemy that even Luffy and Law barely able to defeat, but note that Doffy can't do shit against G4 Luffy, and thats prove it's true power and it's possibility to rival against a yonkou, the only shortcoming G4 had is the time limit, Luffy body can't hold that long when he in G4, similar case with G2 back then, if he somehow able to overcome those shortcoming or at least extend the G4 time limitlimit, he might had a chance. And you should note that that has to do with the fact that DD suffered a mortal wound caused by Law's Gamma Knife & Counter Shock. If not for that, DD wouldn't have forced his DF to do shoddy first aid on himself. As for G4 vs Law, the KKG has the same AoE as Law's slash on Punk Hazard, and considering that Law's slash was pretty much casual, he could probably amp up his DC. Therefore, just as they should be equal via status, they are balanced via portrayal of feats. Lastly, as for the Yonko speculation, G4 as it is now is still not capable of defeating one, even with an unlimited time limit. KKG was at the very best island level, however, Akainu received WB's all-out rage when he blindsided him yet still got up to fight the WB commanders, so, for the sake of this specific argument, Yonko & Admirals are most likely in the same sub-tier, an Emperor would be able to withstand KKG. I don't think Oda is trying to show that Luffy and Law was equal, Oda already showed us that Law power is limited in more way than one, using his power drain his energy a lot and not to mention how his room amputation can be blocked by someone with superior Haki than him, if that wasn't the case then he would chop Mingo to pieces already but he can't and everyone can see how Mingo block his slash a few time, while Luffy in the other hand destroy Spider web + God Thread with his KKG, despite both having the same AOE just like you said it's quite clear as day which one packs bigger punch. I'm not really sure about this but to me, Law actually realize that Luffy is stronger than him, from the way he put his hope on him, how he believe Luffy can beat Mingo even if he himself can't put up much fight against him and how Law react to Luffy and Doffy Conqueror Clash. You argue that Luffy is fighting against a weakened Mingo thanks to Law attack but Law can't even put up much of a fight against Mingo be it the first round at the bridge or the second round at the palace, his Gamma Knife indeed was really powerful but note that he only able to do it thanks to Luffy help, sorry for all of Law fans out there but it clearly show that Law can't put up much a fight against Mingo alone while Luffy in the other hand actually survive Awakening Doflamingo and goes as far as to actually give him the finishing blow with KKG. Law and Luffy power itself is fundamentally different, Law power is the power that affect his surrounding while Luffy power is the power that strengthen his own body, the difference is once Law power is rendered ineffective just like when he fought Mingo, he is practically naked and defenseless, while Luffy on the other hand, even if the enemy manage to exploit the weakness of his rubber power, it didn't mean much to Luffy since he can strengthen his body even more to overpower his enemy. All you need to counter Law power is to have stronger Haki to block his slash while in Luffy case, you still need to put up with his god-tier battle prowess even if you had stronger Haki or using a sharp edge weapon to exploit his weakness. All in all tho not that much, i believe that Luffy is stronger than Law from what Oda have showed to us up until now. jal90 said: This might be true if we using the fans expectation as to how strong a Yonkou is. But at the same time the fact that 2 Year is not enough for them to keep up with Yonkou is really downplaying those 2 years considering how emotional their 2 year training was.If a two-year training timeskip was enough to defeat Yonkous, the very concept of Yonkou would be severely downplayed. Luffy still has some room for progression before he can reach the Pirate King throne. Especially after Oda clearly show the importance and the significance of the 2 years time skip when Luffy said he will protect everything because that is what those 2 Years was for back at Fishman Island, and when he fought against Fujitora he clearly said that he didn't care whether it is admiral or Four Emperor, he will never run again because he did enough running 2 years ago and he will never be the pirate king if he keep running away just because he thought he can't beat them. The way it is now, the fans really downplayed the 2 year time skip and overestimating Four Emperor too much, unless Oda clearly show us the difference in strength between Luffy and Four Emperor, i still believe that they are strong enough to take them on they way they are right now. |
tr1ckst3rApr 24, 2016 3:32 PM
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| @tr1ckst3r Luffy has still a long room for progression and it is shown among other things by the display of Gear 4, which so far is a limited powerup that consumes too much energy; I don't expect a Luffy that can't control this power to be able to hold an equal fight against a Yonkou, but then again I don't expect Luffy to become static in his progression after we've seen him grow both pre, during and post-timeskip (Gear 4 was an invention of Dressrosa Luffy). While the relevance of the timeskip shouldn't be downplayed, we shouldn't in turn forget what being a Yonkou means. They are in a privileged level, they are the rulers of the New World and have lots of subordinates and associates that could pretty much compete with Luffy alone and by themselves (case of Doflamingo). It's important to not lose this perspective, there is a reason why the Straw Hats have first entered the New World in the form of an alliance, why we are hearing about Supernovas following several strategies to survive there, let alone fight with them in conditions that can be considered equal. We saw Kidd in the last chapter. We don't have any reason to believe that Kidd doesn't have a similar level to current Luffy. The current state of the series pays a lot of attention to alliances and betrayals, we've entered a new scenario where simply antagonizing the big guys without a strategy means suicide. Among other reasons because the enemies themselves make use of these, and the conflicts take a greater scale than the traditional local villain of the island scenario. Kaido and Big Mom have been shown to have intricate associations and a single pirate crew, let alone one guy, can't destroy it that easily. Luffy has already formed a fleet of allies in Dressrosa and in Zou he signed an alliance with two other powerful factions, so he is in his way to form a structure similar to that of the current Yonkous. |
| Well guys, here is my second question, Are Straw Hat Pirates actually stronger than other members of Worst Generation? Taking into account that StrawHat train against beast while Worst Generation train against very experienced fighter in New World. |
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| Who cares about Yonkou or Worst Generation ? I personally see One Piece as story focused rather than character focused. Though Strawhat was actually not that strong, they can still build alliance with others. We can't predict what's in Oda mind. |
aLotQuestion said: Well guys, here is my second question, Are Straw Hat Pirates actually stronger than other members of Worst Generation? Taking into account that StrawHat train against beast while Worst Generation train against very experienced fighter in New World. There's *some* amount of discussion for the Doffy question but there's not much any particular indication for this. I know a cop-out answer isn't what you want buuut the answer is really *no one knows*, there's not really any indication for this. HiatusXHiatus said: Who cares about Yonkou or Worst Generation ? I personally see One Piece as story focused rather than character focused. Though Strawhat was actually not that strong, they can still build alliance with others. We can't predict what's in Oda mind. Well, I'd say One Piece is as character focused as story focused, it's more character-focused when it comes to the main characters who obviously make up the majority of time being in the story, particularly Luffy. If only the main characters. Seeing the story outside of Luffy usually happens at the very end of the arc in which we've usually seen 30+ chapters of the characters. The war arc had 9 volumes of primarily luffy, and made the big stuff only happen almost exactly when he got there, 7 chapters in(unless you want to count Oars Jr as big stuff). Story needs characters. The Yonkou are important to the story, Shanks in particular is pretty much the most important character if we're excluding the ten main characters. It's hard to talk about One Piece without talking about it's characters who make up the story, obviously. Can't separate the two easily in this manga. One Piece has it's twist, but it's a non-mystery story and it's going to be predictable in someway. For example, most antagonist are defeated. A wonderful story can carry alright characters or a bad character here in there, but every story has important characters. |
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| You are forgetting some very serious points. 1- They were training EVERY day, while the rest of the generation was either travelling, exploring. They weren't neccessarilly beating new foes. 2-They were trainging under specific mentros handpicked by Kuma ccording to their abilities including] Mihawk and Rayliegh. It could have been punching bags instead of beasts, their mentors were that awesome. 3- Law never said that "together" they can take down Kaido rather that he "had a plan" which included them allying. Same could be said for Kid/Apoo/Hawkings alliance but they were interrupted by Kaido and it is possible that Hawkings ran away seeing a 0% chance of winning while Apoo may have bowed down to Kaido right away making it a 1vs1. Then again it could have been a real 3v1, that doesn't change the fact that they did grow stronger over the 2-year skip. It's just that Yonko are that straong. The SH's growth was propably bigger than the rest of that generation + they have a plan and a huge allied fleet to boot and the whole Wano country. I don't see Law+Luffy taking down Kaido in a straight 2v1 (they could barely do it against Dofla). It's one of the things to wait and see. |
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Kanic said: You are forgetting some very serious points. 1- They were training EVERY day, while the rest of the generation was either travelling, exploring. They weren't neccessarilly beating new foes. You got to know that the weather(for travelling, exploring) in New World is super weird and harsh. Unlike Straw Hat's, they just stay in one island with same weather. They weren't necessarilly beating new foes? How did they got their bounties raise? Obviously, they are fighting(other pirates) and doing some kind of bad stuff(to Navy). 2-They were trainging under specific mentros handpicked by Kuma ccording to their abilities including] Mihawk and Rayliegh. It could have been punching bags instead of beasts, their mentors were that awesome. Those worst generation can meet more 'mentors' and more powerful 'gadget' that fit for their ability in New World. The manga doesn't tell about their mentors/learn new thing doesn't mean they didn't meet anyone or anything at all. Please think objectively. 3- The SH's growth was propably bigger than the rest of that generation + they have a plan and a huge allied fleet to boot and the whole Wano country. I don't see Law+Luffy taking down Kaido in a straight 2v1 (they could barely do it against Dofla). It's one of the things to wait and see. After I replied to your 1 and 2, I doubt SH's growth is the biggest. Also the allied fleet wasn't planned and Wano thingy also not planned, they are coincident. It is unlikely Law bring those Colloseum warriors beforehand / talk to Wano's Momonosuke before, let alone knowing the secret of Wano. notenough20characters |
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ashfrliebert said: HiatusXHiatus said: Who cares about Yonkou or Worst Generation ? I personally see One Piece as story focused rather than character focused. Though Strawhat was actually not that strong, they can still build alliance with others. We can't predict what's in Oda mind. Well, I'd say One Piece is as character focused as story focused, it's more character-focused when it comes to the main characters who obviously make up the majority of time being in the story, particularly Luffy. If only the main characters. Seeing the story outside of Luffy usually happens at the very end of the arc in which we've usually seen 30+ chapters of the characters. The war arc had 9 volumes of primarily luffy, and made the big stuff only happen almost exactly when he got there, 7 chapters in(unless you want to count Oars Jr as big stuff). Story needs characters. The Yonkou are important to the story, Shanks in particular is pretty much the most important character if we're excluding the ten main characters. It's hard to talk about One Piece without talking about it's characters who make up the story, obviously. Can't separate the two easily in this manga. One Piece has it's twist, but it's a non-mystery story and it's going to be predictable in someway. For example, most antagonist are defeated. A wonderful story can carry alright characters or a bad character here in there, but every story has important characters. 1. I didn't said Yonkou wasn't important, yes they are important but I just don't care about them. 2. I think our definition of story focused and story focused are different. If you used my definition of character focused, One Piece can never done it because it have unlimited cast of characters, Oda never have time to focus on them one by one. If Luffy was focused a lot, that is correct because he's the main character. 3. One Piece is unpredictable, the most shocking moment was when Ace died. If you point most antagonist are defeated it should be like that too because every arc on One Piece have pattern (Arrive at new place -> found some friends -> meet conflict (some flashbacks) -> villain confirmed -> fight with the villain -> Luffy vs Main Villain) it's cliched but unpredictable. |
aLotQuestion said: Kanic said: You are forgetting some very serious points. 1- They were training EVERY day, while the rest of the generation was either travelling, exploring. They weren't neccessarilly beating new foes. You got to know that the weather(for travelling, exploring) in New World is super weird and harsh. Unlike Straw Hat's, they just stay in one island with same weather. They weren't necessarilly beating new foes? How did they got their bounties raise? Obviously, they are fighting(other pirates) and doing some kind of bad stuff(to Navy). 2-They were trainging under specific mentros handpicked by Kuma ccording to their abilities including] Mihawk and Rayliegh. It could have been punching bags instead of beasts, their mentors were that awesome. Those worst generation can meet more 'mentors' and more powerful 'gadget' that fit for their ability in New World. The manga doesn't tell about their mentors/learn new thing doesn't mean they didn't meet anyone or anything at all. Please think objectively. 3- The SH's growth was propably bigger than the rest of that generation + they have a plan and a huge allied fleet to boot and the whole Wano country. I don't see Law+Luffy taking down Kaido in a straight 2v1 (they could barely do it against Dofla). It's one of the things to wait and see. After I replied to your 1 and 2, I doubt SH's growth is the biggest. Also the allied fleet wasn't planned and Wano thingy also not planned, they are coincident. It is unlikely Law bring those Colloseum warriors beforehand / talk to Wano's Momonosuke before, let alone knowing the secret of Wano. notenough20characters Traveling makes you stronger? They weren't necessarily beating new foes everyday. Maybe they had mentors maybe they didn't. I for one find it very implausible for them to get stronger with the weather, beat new foes everyday and have mentors suit to them and better than Rayliegh and Mihawk. Fine they didn't account for that alliance, still their growth seems to be worthy plus they have a plan and not a straight up 1v2 fight, unlike what it was implied to have happened with Kidd vs Kaidou, once again Hawkins is not there -meaning he most likely fled- and Apoo switched sides, meaning most of the fight was a sudden 1v1. |
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Kanic said: Traveling makes you stronger? They weren't necessarily beating new foes everyday. Maybe they had mentors maybe they didn't. I for one find it very implausible for them to get stronger with the weather, beat new foes everyday and have mentors suit to them and better than Rayliegh and Mihawk. Please think objectively, how many time I need to say? New World is not just a mere sea without any things, travel and explore mean meeting sea/land monster and other pirate and even navy. As a One Piece fans, you should know well the condition and situation of the sea of New World. It is not shown in manga/anime oftenly doesn't mean there aren't any. And like I say, if they don't cause troubles, how do they raise their bounties? Obviously there are fighting human-enemies. You don't get bounty raise because of killing random wild beast, you know? It is a sure thing that human-enemies in New World stronger than the beasts Luffy fought. Else, how would human dominating New World instead of wild beast? And it is contradicting that you mentioned no better mentor than Rayleigh and Mihawk. Okay, I agreed that they are be strong BUT please explain how these Four Emperors become strong without mentor like Rayleigh and Mihawk? Obviously there are some other ways to learn something new, (maybe)it is not introduced yet doesn't mean there aren't any. |
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HiatusXHiatus said: 1. I didn't said Yonkou wasn't important, yes they are important but I just don't care about them. Umm...alright! lol I think our definition of story focused and story focused are different. If you used my definition of character focused, One Piece can never done it because it have unlimited cast of characters, Oda never have time to focus on them one by one. If Luffy was focused a lot, that is correct because he's the main character. I understand pretty clearly what I said was wrong yeah I'd agree. But clearly, some characters are obviously important, and important characters are focused on, not liking the characters and seeing they are important are different. Big Mom is higher priority a character than Vice Admiral 10301. 3. One Piece is unpredictable, the most shocking moment was when Ace died. If you point most antagonist are defeated it should be like that too because every arc on One Piece have pattern (Arrive at new place -> found some friends -> meet conflict (some flashbacks) -> villain confirmed -> fight with the villain -> Luffy vs Main Villain) it's cliched but unpredictable. Yeah not always predictable on exactly what would happen, but it has a pattern is what I meant to say. tr1ckst3r said: This might be true if we using the fans expectation as to how strong a Yonkou is. But at the same time the fact that 2 Year is not enough for them to keep up with Yonkou is really downplaying those 2 years considering how emotional their 2 year training was. Especially after Oda clearly show the importance and the significance of the 2 years time skip when Luffy said he will protect everything because that is what those 2 Years was for back at Fishman Island, and when he fought against Fujitora he clearly said that he didn't care whether it is admiral or Four Emperor, he will never run again because he did enough running 2 years ago and he will never be the pirate king if he keep running away just because he thought he can't beat them. The way it is now, the fans really downplayed the 2 year time skip and overestimating Four Emperor too much, unless Oda clearly show us the difference in strength between Luffy and Four Emperor, i still believe that they are strong enough to take them on they way they are right now. Like, he already kinda did, just not by directly stating it outright. For one thing, the Yonkou are hyped up by their very existence, considering they are introduced as the four strongest pirates in the world. They were hyped up like five chapters ago by Pekoms, even. They are told to be really really strong. One of them told to be "the strongest creature" and the other, dead one told to be "the strongest man in the world". Oda was trying to show Shanks and Whitebeard were really strong when they split the sky. He'll obviously be stronger than them at some point, but they were pretty much called the strongest characters("pirates") in the series. I mean, you don't get much more hype than that. Oda made it as clear as possible that they were, well, pretty strong. And Kaido alot stronger than the main antagonist of the previous arc whom Luffy struggled with. But it's not obviously not unimaginable to see Luffy surpassing them in the future, since he's y'know, the main character. But it's One Piece, I imagine at least 5 more years of this series. Edit: Since a thread about this exact topic is right above this one, I'll repost me actually mostly sufficiently getting my thoughts across. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1419152&show=100#msg45859890 |
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