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| Everyone complaining about the ending need to remember that this series is adapted from a visual novel. In the visual novel you can only unlock the happy ending after you have completed every other route, in other words: collected every orb of light. The structure works greatly in the visual novel but it is hard to execute in anime series. Of course they could have ended the series with the sad ending but that would have meant that they would not have completed the story of the visual novel. And about ending being to unrealistic, supernatural elements have always been a part of key's products and Clannad makes no exception with it's parallel words and Fuuko's story etc. I need to admit, because the episodes 9-21 felt quite realistic the miraculous ending felt kinda out of the place. But still, it is not like there was no foreshadowing done in the previous episodes. |
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-Tsume- said: Everyone complaining about the ending need to remember that this series is adapted from a visual novel. In the visual novel you can only unlock the happy ending after you have completed every other route, in other words: collected every orb of light. The structure works greatly in the visual novel but it is hard to execute in anime series. Of course they could have ended the series with the sad ending but that would have meant that they would not have completed the story of the visual novel. And about ending being to unrealistic, supernatural elements have always been a part of key's products and Clannad makes no exception with it's parallel words and Fuuko's story etc. I need to admit, because the episodes 9-21 felt quite realistic the miraculous ending felt kinda out of the place. But still, it is not like there was no foreshadowing done in the previous episodes. Yet there was nothing in the series that reflected that until the end, except in passing. When these elements were presented, they were very forced and infringed on the flow of the series. While I understand that KyoAni had to give the complete ending, they half-assed the process leading to it. If they had simply run out of episodes and had to cram in an explanation, I could be somewhat more forgiving. What many fail to remember is that the episodes following this one were a pointless "prequel" episode and a recap. There's no excuse for forgetting how to properly tell the story when you load the end with uselessness on purpose. Also, while I understand magical realism is Key's calling card, it only inhibits what makes the series stand out. It brings nothing to the table and serves to be nothing more than a Chekhov's Gun so the series can say "yay happy ending!" |
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| I really love how people consistently beat on a horse that's really so dead at this point it doesn't even resemble a life form any longer. Clannad had a nice (but obviously controversial) ending, and you either like it or you don't. Sooner or later everyone eventually moves onto the next exhibit (which in this case is a metaphor for another anime) and the cycle of debate and death never ends. ~TQ |
co_flame said: If it sells, it works. |
-Tsume- said: Of course they could have ended the series with the sad ending but that would have meant that they would not have completed the story of the visual novel. Theres an actual good, realistic, non BS ending in the VN? Care to tell? |
| My tastes > your tastes. |
TomDawn said: -Tsume- said: Of course they could have ended the series with the sad ending but that would have meant that they would not have completed the story of the visual novel. Theres an actual good, realistic, non BS ending in the VN? Care to tell? In the VN you can get different endigs so you don't need to wake Nagisa from death to get a happy ending. When you play the after story again, after clearing every other route, you get the true ending and Nagisa survives the childbirth. As I said, I think it works greatly in the VN but in the anime... not so well. |
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TQ said: I really love how people consistently beat on a horse that's really so dead at this point it doesn't even resemble a life form any longer. Clannad had a nice (but obviously controversial) ending, and you either like it or you don't. Sooner or later everyone eventually moves onto the next exhibit (which in this case is a metaphor for another anime) and the cycle of debate and death never ends. ~TQ Best (and truest) post on this thread. |
| Brilliant show and like TQ said; nice but contoversial ending. But this is hardly new when it comes to anime shows, many great shows have had questionable endings. When it comes to anime, it really seems that the journey is more important than the actual destination. |
| lol, i was starting to cry, when fuko appeared, rofl. and kotomi was awesome o_o |
BoogiePop said: When it comes to anime, it really seems that the journey is more important than the actual destination. The ending does matter quite a lot in a plot intensive drama anime. If it was just some adventure or comedy where each episode isn't really related to the next one, who cares? But I don't think people should just let this one slip by like its a minor detail. |
| My tastes > your tastes. |
| Soo a Girl from school told me about Clannad and she told me it was going to be sad. After watching this anime I have to admit this was so damn freakiin sad. Really Great Series Im glad it ended in a good note so i can relax now....... i almost stoped watching this it was depressing to a certain point. |
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| I was very pleased with the ending, it would have been awfully sad if things just ended with episode 21. And I don't really get the complains about the ending not being realistic and how this show was supposed to have been appreciated for its realism. I mean, in season 1 there's a girl who's in coma but still walks around in school (and reappears throughout the show), in season 2 Tomoya spots a ligt orb after the gang fights (Ushio also spots one entering Tomoya's body after he sends his father to his grandmother), and there's a cat who tells Tomoya a story in his dream, and he even learns the cat (or boy) was supposed to grant a wish. And here people are saying the ending is out of the blue and how unrealistic it was compared to the rest of the series. This is just my opinion though and it's everyone's right to dislike the ending, it's just that I disagree with most of the reasons that people have given. I do think the circumstances could have been elaborated more in episode 23 or 24, and I would have liked to see more of Tomoya's family being happy and all, but other than that I really did like the ending. |
| So... Tomoya hit a bad end which involves him and Ushio lying on the streets and dying, then went to start a new game and properly collected all the lights, which allowed him to avoid Nagisa's death, thereby ensuring the family's proper well-being? Cool. :D And so, the girl and the robot in the other world were Ushio and Tomoya all along? Now I understand why back in the first series, Tomoya thought the story that Nagisa wanted to play for the Theater Club's School Festival seems familiar, but now this brings us another question... Just how did Nagisa know about the story? Would have made more sense if Nagisa were the girl instead of Ushio, but meh. |
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| After having revisited Clannad, I think I will change my rating from a 9 to a 10. Looking back at this and now having played through a lot of the VN...I now understand the orbs of light better and the overall supernatural aspect of this show. Now I know that this has been a theme throughout both seasons and I believe justifies this type of ending. Edit: Oh I forgot to mention....Whoa at Kotomi towards the end. Looks like she's living an adventurous life. Kinda makes me want to see more episodes following the other character's adventures. |
| damn this anime i love it damn much it mad me cry a lot even thou i am a man a story like this if it didn't make you sad a the very least you don't just have a human feelings |
| I was so angry and depressed after ep 16 I cried and deleted the whole series from my computer without finishing. Thank goodness I found my balls again the next night and pushed through to the end. I love happy endings! |
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| damee so that whole few episodes never really happened or what?? |
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| Ok, first I was like But then |
| I usually don't like predictable endings, but... After so many tears, I'm happy with the end. =\ |
| So Nagisa didn't die? |
| Yayy! The whole family was together in the end ^_^ And we also see the other mains for a brief moment ^_^ |
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| i've fallen in love with clannad. said enough |
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mizzblue said: This ending confused me. I agree with SpaceKozak, wouldve been better if they completely left out the supernatural from the show. Even in the first season I felt that it didnt enhance the story at all...and though sad, the way it was headed wouldve been more natural and believable. 9/10 anyway Using supernatural events in a realistic setting is Key's signature, cant blame them for that I guess. I think this has been linked before but heres a thread for ppl confused about the ending: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=194452 |
| Most confusing ending since Kanon 2006. Which I finished yesterday. I didn't understand a thing about that ending. It was like, Nagisa's dead. PSYCHE. Those 5 episodes didn't mean anything. Ushio's dead. PSYCHE. I didn't understand the whole concept of the alternate universe, either. What as it there for? Why was there only Ushio and Tomoya (kind of) there? Why, why, why is all I kept asking myself. If that was suposed to be an emotional ending because they get reuinted, it totally ruined it for me because I was just trying to find out what the hell was going on. Seriously, they need to explain what is going on better >.> As much as I didn't like Nagisa dying, I don't think they should have gone back on it. It should have been a, "sucks, she's dead. try to deal," sort of thing. Although I will admit killing off Ushio was kind of heartless ...... but I still would prefer that then bringing them back to life in a random sporatic supernatural event. It's not like this show was consistant in the supernatural depo, so it was just random. Overall that alternate universe just fucked me up. But I will admit ep 15-21 made me die crying. and then episode 22 made me go, o.o "........................ wtf?" PoisonMoon said: could you go back and write this and make it so, please?Wait... did Tomoya actually go back in time and start over right before Nagisa was supposed to die? Or did Tomoya die with Ushio, and he met Nagisa in the afterlife who showed him what their life could have been? Psajdak said: Same. Same. Same.To be honest, I personally didn't find anything here to cry about. eps 15 - 21, yes. Episode 22 it was like the anti-cry. |
mylovelyfateOct 20, 2010 3:53 PM
 "It's just...a bad dream! Wake up, wake up...!" |
| Love the ending, it was a little complicated but nice!! Nagisa is back and Ushio also!! yay!! And they showed everyone and their life now that was so good! |
| It's been a few hours since I have finished this episode, but I'm still overwhelmed with emotions. I didn't think they would pull off such and ending but when they did, I couldn't have been any happier, a tragic ending just wouldn't have felt right (IMHO at least). Clannad is a masterpiece and a work of art, nothing less. Brilliant anime, I'm so glad I checked it out. 10/10 from me (5/5 for the episode). Became an absolute favorite, gave me a beautiful experience, it was a fantastic ride. Dango, dango, dango, dango, dango daikazoku |
restore said: True, and if they did it subtly I really would have hardly cared. But they went back on EVERYTHING interesting that happened in AS and turned what could have been a greaaaat series into a mediocore one. imo, anyway.its an anime, n there was an alternate universe from the first ep of the first season (aka robot + young girl). how could you guys not see a "fantasy"-like ending coming???? it was right there from ep 1 lol |
"It's just...a bad dream! Wake up, wake up...!" |
| Ow man I cried until I couldn't cry any longer! |
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| Argh! Why did they have to ruin the whole anime like that?!?! I totally hated this end! Gh! And just it was getting the bestthey had to devastate everything! It was great 'till Ushio died and then... It was so cool....even I had a skip of heart when the kid passed away and I was just thinking "Oh man...life is really hars, it gave everything to this man and then took it in just a flash. One by one he lost everything he gained and had..." But maybe they're thinking of continuing the series in third season so they had to think of a way to end the second season so that there is something to put in the next one, dunno, but it really sucked hard whatever the reason is!!! |
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| hmmm in some point i agree with Enjyu...i also feel that feeling when Ushio died but when i continue to watch it,I'm kinda had a mixed emotion..^_^ |
| When i saw Nagisa die i was like ''oh no!'' And next few episodes i loved how Tomoya and Ushio were having fun together. And than Ushio dies , to and i was soooo sad!.... i mean upset. :) I was like ''This can't be happening!!!' But in the end everything was awesome and Clannad was great to watch , it was a real (Masterpiece) :P |
| this episode was wonderful. esp the final part before the extra where they show wat everyone is doing. the scenes they show coupled with the music makes for a wonderful ending to the series. kudos to key for such a wonderful anime. but i felt the final part showing fuko talking nonsense at the end was a waste of time. i rather they use the final few minutes for a wedding ceremony between tomoya and nagisa with everyone from the show gathered there. they mentioned how they were going to have a wedding ceremony when they have saved enough money but they never bothered to show it. they also never showed any scenes where everyone including ushio and nagisa were gathered together, which was the least i expected to see by the end of the episode. disappointing that the most they showed was a scene when nagisa was pregnant a few episodes back |
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| Wonderful ending. The reason Tomoya was suffering because of his doubts of meeting Nagisa but as soon as he accepted it "Miracle" gave him a second chance. |
| Best. Anime. Ever. !!!!! I will always keep this anime dear to my heart. Probably cried around 27 times during the whole thing. |
| Wow. I never thought that they'd be able to do a last episode as good as this! I watched angel beats first and found the ending very underwhelming with lots of plot holes and unexplained parts, so I was always worried that that might of happened with this too. I was especially pleased with the girl and the robot part because I have always been so curious about what all that was about. And the whole alternate world thing was foreshadowed from the very beginning, I don't know why some people seem disappointed, it was hinted at from the girl and robot, and also from Ichinose's parent's research. Have to say, its been a very emotional series and this just finished it perfectly! 10/10 |
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Enjyu said: Argh! Why did they have to ruin the whole anime like that?!?! I totally hated this end! Gh! And just it was getting the bestthey had to devastate everything! It was great 'till Ushio died and then... It was so cool....even I had a skip of heart when the kid passed away and I was just thinking "Oh man...life is really hars, it gave everything to this man and then took it in just a flash. One by one he lost everything he gained and had..." But maybe they're thinking of continuing the series in third season so they had to think of a way to end the second season so that there is something to put in the next one, dunno, but it really sucked hard whatever the reason is!!! I can't believe you didn't see this ending coming. Were you not paying attention for the whole series Q.Q? |
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| Well, the emotional roller coaster ride is over. I'm glad it didn't end with the death of Ushio and then Tomoya. That would have been to much for me to take. It was wonderful to see time rewound and Tomoya, Nagisa, and Ushio as a family!! I will probably never be able to listen to the Dango song again without bursting into tears. |
Hannah_AnaFeb 18, 2011 7:35 PM
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| Can anyone enlighten me on what just happened? My head is constantly spinning with pieces of recent events of what happened. Ok...so, we know that the robot is Tomoya and that the girl in the illusionary world is Ushio. What exactly happened? Was Tomoya having a bad dream and suddenly wake up to realize that Nagisa was actually all right? Or was it because he was having bad thoughts due to Nagisa's health...I'm slightly confused. I probably have to go back on a few episodes to actually understand. Anyway, if anyone can somehow steer me in the right direction, much would be appreciated! Arigatou gozaimasu! |
JayDestiny said: Can anyone enlighten me on what just happened? My head is constantly spinning with pieces of recent events of what happened. Ok...so, we know that the robot is Tomoya and that the girl in the illusionary world is Ushio. What exactly happened? Was Tomoya having a bad dream and suddenly wake up to realize that Nagisa was actually all right? Or was it because he was having bad thoughts due to Nagisa's health...I'm slightly confused. I probably have to go back on a few episodes to actually understand. Anyway, if anyone can somehow steer me in the right direction, much would be appreciated! Arigatou gozaimasu! I copy paste this thing . it helped me =) i hope it helps u too .. or anyone who reads this to help clear things abit, i cant rmbr which eps it was, but it showed Kotomi talking about how she followed in her parents footsteps, doing research on “the other world”, which she explains, is the possible existence of alternate dimensions and parallel worlds. i suppose some of these worlds are almost exact replicas of each other, and sort of represent different outcomes and possibilities when a person makes a choice, an example being if you come across a forked road, going either left or right will lead you to different places, outcomes, futures etc. Ryou also mentioned that there is no single-pathed future, and that the fate of a person isn’t restricted to one path but many, depending on the choices one makes during the course of his or her life. theres also the issue with the orbs. If you guys can rmbr, miyazawa yukine talked about the legend of these orbs that appear when moments of true happiness take place and that people who retrieved these orbs would get one wish. tomoya did quite a few things that helped a whole bunch of people so he managed to get those orbs (though he didnt really realized) and it was enough for his wish to be granted. then theres the thing about the girl and the robot. to be honest, thats probably the one thing in the whole series that i dont fully understand. i do know that the robot somehow represents the existence of tomoya in that world (the alternate dimensions thing), while the girl represents ushio. her existence in that world was somehow needed for tomoya’s wish in the present world, which is probably why there was the scene of her disappearing. im not sure about it though so if someone can explain better, pls do. theres still some other stuff that i probably forgot to explain so if there is be sure to ask, and ill try my best to answer. so there you have it. it wasnt a dream, but in actual fact, his existence in the current world was entirely brought over to another alternate reality on a different plane of existence where the future that awaited him would be one whereby nagisa survives after giving birth to ushio, and they continue living as a family. not a very realistic ending, but it is an anime after all, and was based off a visual novel, |
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JayDestiny said: Can anyone enlighten me on what just happened? My head is constantly spinning with pieces of recent events of what happened. Ok...so, we know that the robot is Tomoya and that the girl in the illusionary world is Ushio. What exactly happened? Was Tomoya having a bad dream and suddenly wake up to realize that Nagisa was actually all right? Or was it because he was having bad thoughts due to Nagisa's health...I'm slightly confused. I probably have to go back on a few episodes to actually understand. Anyway, if anyone can somehow steer me in the right direction, much would be appreciated! Arigatou gozaimasu! Refer to this: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=194452&show=9 |
| After wrapping up this episode...I was mostly impressed by how much foreshadow was already left in season 1 that you couldnt disclaim the ending even if you didnt like it. This anime isnt flawless or the greatest thing ever like I hear many say...but it definitely is in between a 9 to a 10. The show is able to invoke personal attachment causing many to tear up in countless number of episodes so it definitely is doing something right...but in my opinion its not perfect due to the way it presented its ending. I also think they didnt use their array of wonderful characters enough in the 2nd season, the supporting cast from season 1 are now merely cameos that would occasionally appear every 5 episodes for a couple of seconds. The only anime I've seen that felt like a true 10 was Kimi ga nozomu eien where it used its 14 episodes effectively to deliver a full gripping story from the beginning to end without stopping. Nonetheless, clannad is a superb anime that stands above all else even with its minor short comings. |
| I cried a little bit of tears of happiness there. It was just soothing and heartwarming. I'm confused at first about what the hell did just happened and seek some information. I'm not really paying close attention to the robot and the girl coz I've thought they're just symbolism of some kind to the story but when I learned that the series has something to do with supernatural or fantasy like theme, I think Kotomi's arc from the first season about an alternate world that exists might be true. I'm also thinking that Tomoya might just be depressed and pessimistic and dreamed of those sad turn of events and suddenly wake up in reality. But when I fully grasped about what happened, it was just amazing. Truly one of the best shows I've seen. |
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