CASE 02 - Evidence List -Anime Only- *SPOILERS*

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Alright, so I thought a bit, and here is my theory so far. It's in progress at the moment.

Chihiro's Secret:

Premeditated?

Location of the murder:

Elimination of the Suspects Part I:

Genocider Syo-The Killer?

Timeframe of the murder:

Eliminating the Suspects Part II:

Genocider Syo's Identity:

In summary:

The annoying part is that there is no specific evidence like from the last case which will allow me to pinpoint one person specifically.

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Beatrice wanted to say: Witches did this!!

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DenjaX said:
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Beatrice wanted to say: Witches did this!!

Rule number 10: Lending Electronic Student Handbooks to others is prohibited. They can only use their own.

Which Beatrice? Endless Witch Beatrice? Eva-Beatrice?

Man...I got tired of using the red/blue truths towards the end...BBcodes are just annoying.

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DenjaX said:
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Beatrice wanted to say: Witches did this!!

Rule number 10: Lending Electronic Student Handbooks to others is prohibited. They can only use their own.

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DenjaX said:

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DenjaX said:
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Beatrice wanted to say: Witches did this!!

Rule number 10: Lending Electronic Student Handbooks to others is prohibited. They can only use their own.

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DenjaX said:

Rule number 10: Lending Electronic Student Handbooks to others is prohibited. They can only use their own.

Oh god, don't bring Beatrice into this.

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@DenjaX's and CreationBreaker's battle of semantics.

Sorry, I was having fun reading CreationBreaker's deductions. Here, I can give some more clarifications.

I want Chihiro filling with a side order of Oowada's steamed corn pompadour.

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MrOCD said:
@DenjaX's and CreationBreaker's battle of semantics.

Sorry, I was having fun reading CreationBreaker's deductions. Here, I can give some more clarifications.

And when the Game Master speaks in Red, (s)he always speaks the truth.
Still have no evidence to decide between my two suspects....I need to check the evidence again when I wake up in the morning...then again, some of the evidence we don't have will probably be presented in the trial....

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DenjaX said:

Rule number 10: Lending Electronic Student Handbooks to others is prohibited. They can only use their own.

Oh god, don't bring Beatrice into this.

I tell ya, that freakin witch did this!

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DenjaX said:

CreationBreaker said:

DenjaX said:

Edefrem said:

DenjaX said:

Rule number 10: Lending Electronic Student Handbooks to others is prohibited. They can only use their own.

Oh god, don't bring Beatrice into this.

I tell ya, that freakin witch did this!

She did. She did it with magic.

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Jul 28, 2013 11:08 PM

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CreationBreaker said:

According to Monokuma,

I was hoping for someone to finally point this out. Mind if I add this in the list of evidence?

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According to Monokuma,

I was hoping for someone to finally point this out. Mind if I add this in the list of evidence?

Go for it. It was directly quoted from the UTW subs of episode 3.

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DenjaX said:

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CreationBreaker said:

DenjaX said:

Edefrem said:

DenjaX said:

Rule number 10: Lending Electronic Student Handbooks to others is prohibited. They can only use their own.

Oh god, don't bring Beatrice into this.

I tell ya, that freakin witch did this!

She did. She did it with magic.

Funny because the explanation of Umineko's mystery was

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Edefrem said:

CreationBreaker said:

DenjaX said:

Edefrem said:

DenjaX said:

Rule number 10: Lending Electronic Student Handbooks to others is prohibited. They can only use their own.

Oh god, don't bring Beatrice into this.

I tell ya, that freakin witch did this!

She did. She did it with magic.

Funny because the explanation of Umineko's mystery was

Hey, no saying anything about the true culprit or anything like that please. I am only midway through EP6-Dawn of the Golden Witch.

This is starting get far too off-topic....

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Btw, are you done with your deduction or are you going to elaborate further later on?

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DenjaX said:

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Btw, are you done with your deduction or are you going to elaborate further later on?

Considering that I haven't been able to pinpoint the culprit, this is not a finished theory at the moment. However, I will probably leave it alone and come back in a couple of days to re-evaluate the evidence and try to think of something new.

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CreationBreaker said:

DenjaX said:

CreationBreaker said:

DenjaX said:

Edefrem said:

DenjaX said:

Rule number 10: Lending Electronic Student Handbooks to others is prohibited. They can only use their own.

Oh god, don't bring Beatrice into this.

I tell ya, that freakin witch did this!

She did. She did it with magic.

Since we have Beatrice here.....

(Play both links at the same time!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb7jrb6l4MU

http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=6836450

This should be used more often in threads like this! XD

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I'm going with the murderer is a girl, because it occured in the girls' changing room. It should either be weights girl, or the girl who knows something about Genocider Syo. Anyway, looks like its gonna be an easy trial since two people already know something about Genocider Syo.

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Keyalin said:

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DenjaX said:

Also,

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Keyalin said:

Also,

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Why did you guys rule out Yamada right away? I mean he could be a suspect. Lardy body doesn't mean he's not strong. As far as I know fat people tend to have more strength due to weight.

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Why did you guys rule out Yamada right away? I mean he could be a suspect. Lardy body doesn't mean he's not strong. As far as I know fat people tend to have more strength due to weight.

It's not a matter of strength. It's a matter of stamina. People who have more body fat tend to have much less stamina and the process of moving things around is something that requires A LOT of stamina. I am talking about moving two sets of exercise equipment twice, moving a large carpet with a body on it, and a large carpet without a body on it. This is not something someone with normal or a small amount of stamina can do and as such, I based it comparatively off my own stats including BMI, height, and weight. Plus, I only ruled him out after I theorized a sequence of events for the murder.

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Jul 29, 2013 9:35 AM

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But how did Fujisaki enter the male changing room in the first place. Maybe her secret is that she is a male and crossdressing as female.

Do you have any evidence to support that assumption?

Keyalin said:
If G.S killed Fujisaki in the male changing room why is the body in the girls room, if the culprit was male he could get in the girls changing room with the ElecroiDs of Maizono and Enoshima but if the culprit was female she couldn't even enter the boys changing room beacause Kuwata's ElecroiDs is broken.

We don’t know if that “ElectroiD” is even Kuwata’s. This throws that theory out. What if the “ElectroiD” you see there is someone else’s? That means any girl could have done it.

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When Togami went to the male changing room he saw Fujisaki's corpse thats when he got Maizono or Enoshima's ElecroiDs and the extension cord. He entered the girls and exchanged the carpet and the poster so it will apear as thou Fujisaki was killed in the girls changing room but this doesnt mean that it was Togami who killed Fujisaki. So it could have been the other male students.

So why it is that Togami had the sudden urge to go into the boys’ changing room at 2 in the morning? This sounds utterly convenient if you ask me. Togami never once bothered to go anywhere near the swimming pool, so why now?

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Fujisaki was killed with a heavy dumbbell. Who can lift it? Yamada and Naegi are out of the question that leaves Ishimaru and Owada… Witch leaves Owada.

We don’t even know how much the dumbbell weighs. No one said it was heavy.

I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure that even a 5kg dumbbell, which is roughly 1/8th of Fujisaki’s weight, is capable of killing someone. It would prove more effective with speed and force by the wielder.

In other words, anybody can kill somebody else with a dumbbell. Remember, Fujisaki was killed immediately, this indicates that she was killed in one blow.

Also, why the heck is Yamada ruled out of your equation? It’s not only muscle strength that allows you to pull weights; your own body weight takes a factor in this, too.

And lastly, why can't a hammer from the tool sets that all the boys were given be the murder weapon? It's most definitely lighter than the dumbbells, in theory.

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However Ishimaru has the perfect alibi "Super Duper High School Perfect Student" he wouldn't kill someone that could ruin his talent.

Ishimaru is the Super Duper High School Prefect - not Perfect. But even then, what do any of the titles have to do with killing someone. I think losing your credibility is the least of your worries in this situation. If anything, it would only make Ishimaru the best at not breaking the rules which would get him killed. This means he can still kill someone.

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Fujisaki had a bag with a tracksuit inside. It looked like Fujisaki was trying to get somewhere quick because someone was waiting for him. Without a dough it was Owada that was waiting him.
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Then he rushed to the Men changing room where he expected X to be waiting for him for a workout session.

Why is Oowada waiting for Fujisaki? How does he even know Fujisaki was heading to the changing room? “Without a doubt” I don’t see any evidence that shows that he would. These are all “assumptions.”

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My Theory

The reason Owada killed Fujisaki is because of the secrets. Fujisaki must have told Owada about his secret so Owada must have done the same but maybe Owada couldnt take it that people know his secret and he wanted to ensure nobody else would know.

Would you care to explain what this secret is? Why is idiocy the explanation for the end?

If you want, we can try the experiment of the dumbbell on someone. *straight face*

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Interesting MrOCD very interesting.
Now that you mentioning the ElecroiDs couldn't be him has gotten me pumped up.

What's an ElectroiD?

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Keyalin said:

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But really, you should respond to MrOCD. He is poking holes in your theory like there's no tomorrow.

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@Everything Keyalin said.

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After reading some other theories, I went back and watched the episode. I won't clutter up this post with screenshots, but I think this is important.

Taken with Sakura's testimony, I think this is enough to prove
A) The scene of the crime was the men's locker room
B) Fujisaki has dangly bits, hence why she was in the men's locker room.

And this is an absolute death-blow to my theory. Oh well, I was honestly kind of expecting this to happen.

So with the new information, we can reasonably assume that, because the body, carpets, and posters were moved, that the culprit is male. No one would frame their own gender, unless they were expecting someone to guess that a guy had snuck into the girls' locker room, but then you jump into a twisted black hole of anti-logic from which there is no escape. The timeline for the episode got kind of screwy in my head. For some reason, I thought the sequence of events was Darkest Secrets-->Sauna-->Murder. But no, Ishimaru and Oowada are just as suspect as everyone else.

There are three other relevant factors from re-watching the episode. First, Oowada's reactions in the Darkest Secret and Investigation scenes. In short, he looks absolutely terrified. This obviously isn't enough to throw him under the bus, but it does cast some suspicion on him. The second is, the night before the murder, Togami is reading the GS case file. That's at least a little bit suspicious, and more than a little convenient. Speaking of suspicious, the third relevant factor is Togami's conversation with Naegi. I will transcribe it from memory

T: Split up and search for clues gang! Naegi, come with me.
N: Okay, sure.
--In locker room common area--
T: This is suspicious!
N: Huh? What's so suspicious about it?
T: Very suspicious! *Immediately walks up to girls' locker room*

Isn't it way too obvious to be Togami though? Thanks, rhetorical device, it is way too obvious. And then it keeps getting more and more obvious, until it wraps back around itself and becomes the truth again. Suffice it to say that I still think Togami is at least tangentially connected to this case, but I'll need more time to mull it over before I put together a proper theory taking the new information into account.

One last thing, I wanted to clarify my justification for the existence of accomplices in my earlier theories. Fukawa would do it for Togami because she thinks she's in love, and Togami would do it for Fukawa to make the next trial fun. In Togami's case I would fully expect him to turn on Fukawa if the others didn't figure it out first. In any case, it doesn't matter because that's not what happened.

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OK since everything has gotten out of had we cab review of what we have.

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After reading some other theories, I went back and watched the episode. I won't clutter up this post with screenshots, but I think this is important.

LOL at the arrows on Kirigiri. Kinky fella, isn't she? xD But isn't that image suppose to imply about Kirigiri mentioning that it wasn't a rope but an extension cord?

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Speaking of Kirigiri...I'm kinda curious about what her embarrassing secret is...

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Himmelgeher said:
(WALL OF TEXT)

What is this?
Kirigiri is able to identify a woman just by her hips, too? (MONOGATARI REFERENCE!)

I'll give you a proper response. Just let me read it over and over.

Edit: Yep. Everything is consistent.

Really, I can't find any holes in it! All I can say is, what if it's neither? Is there another possibility?

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OK since everything has gotten out of had we cab review of what we have.

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Speaking of Kirigiri...I'm kinda curious about what her embarrassing secret is...

She's a Super Duper High School ???

??? could be Serial Killer?

EDIT: Or her embarrassing secret is being scared to ghosts/barnacles. (Seiyuu reference, K-On)

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DenjaX said:

CreationBreaker said:
Speaking of Kirigiri...I'm kinda curious about what her embarrassing secret is...

Or her embarrassing secret is being scared to ghosts/barnacles. (Seiyuu reference, K-On)

That would be so adorable.

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So no matter how much i read this. I cant figure it out.Its like something is missing.Something deal breaking.

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So no matter how much i read this. I cant figure it out.Its like something is missing.Something deal breaking.

Let me question you then.

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Key_of_sora said:
So no matter how much i read this. I cant figure it out.Its like something is missing.Something deal breaking.

Let me question you then.

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So we can safely conclude that this case is impossible to solve until new information is presented in the trial. =(

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During the murder scene:

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DenjaX said:
LOL at the arrows on Kirigiri. Kinky fella, isn't she? xD But isn't that image suppose to imply about Kirigiri mentioning that it wasn't a rope but an extension cord?

Well, you've gotta lighten the mood somehow, right?

The image you're talking about comes immediately after the shot of Kirigiri, when we see a close up of Fujisaki's wrist. I suppose it's possible that the cord is also tied around her waist to maintain the crucifixion pose, but that seems like an odd thing to show us when the specifics of the crucifixion aren't really important to the case.

Unfortunately, I got spoiled on the killer's identity when I was skimming through the episode's discussion thread and someone said it outright, outside of spoiler tags or a spoiler warning. It's pretty much impossible for me to be objective about it now. I suppose I could make a theory about the events of the actual murder, but I don't want to ruin it for anyone who's managed to stay un-spoiled. I've learned my lesson now though. Come the next case these threads are going to be the only things DR-related that I'll be reading.

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Himmelgeher said:
Unfortunately, I got spoiled on the killer's identity when I was skimming through the episode's discussion thread and someone said it outright, outside of spoiler tags or a spoiler warning. It's pretty much impossible for me to be objective about it now. I suppose I could make a theory about the events of the actual murder, but I don't want to ruin it for anyone who's managed to stay un-spoiled. I've learned my lesson now though. Come the next case these threads are going to be the only things DR-related that I'll be reading.

That is very unfortunate to know that but at least you did not spoil it for everyone else. If it makes you feel any better, you can theorize how the murder happened and never mention the culprit.

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