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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Not quite as surprising as episode one, but we get to know the characters a little better. Nagi's being slightly more relaxed about Rikuo and Misaki investigating the place and asking questions that bend the rule a bit. Sammy was certainly more animated in the Cafe. O.o |
nx6Oct 2, 2008 2:46 PM
| It's interesting that robots have now become people with personalities that you can't tell from normal humans. They're basically slaves bound to their masters outside but can be themselves in that cafe. |
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| I liked the 'cat'. I also like how it is almost impossible to tell humans apart from androids in that cafe. |
NayahOct 2, 2008 7:54 AM
| An alright follow up to the first episode, although it failed to make me any more interested in the series. The directing is still annoyingly poor at times and the two main guys are more bland than the androids outside of the cafe, but it seems like it still has a few tricks up it's sleeve so I'll stick with it for now. Edit: Forgot to mention the guy asking if this is Blade Runner. I sure hope not guy...I sure hope not...what a terrible film... |
Absolutely_SteveOct 2, 2008 8:59 AM
| I found this episode to be even better than the first one. Sammy is very interesting and I felt so sorry for her, a robot. That says something about how good this show is. That whole bit at the with the investigator and individualism taking root in robots seems like it might be a little interesting but I just want to see more from the cafe and I'm guessing Sammy and Rikou are going to sit down and talk in the next episode. |
Absolutely_Steve said: Edit: Forgot to mention the guy asking if this is Blade Runner. I sure hope not guy...I sure hope not...what a terrible film... Blade Runner is a great neo-noir film. I highly recommend it. I just hope it's not like Blade Runner for the way things turned out for the replicants. |
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Sanshaino said: By the way...is there some kind of reason that the robots' technological capacity of having a personality and socially integrating just like humans is kept in check like here in the series? Obviously to keep them subserviant to humans. If robots are allowed to advance their personality and intelligence too much, they'll begin to demand recognition as sentient life forms, and that mean rights. This was brough up in episode one. The high self-sufficiency of the food supply in the anime's universe is at least partially due to the use of robots in the field, robot workers that can function like slaves really. Is it only to clearly distinguish them from humans? That is one factor. It allows humans to easily identify androids, and treat them accordingly. It also prevents any murky ethics issues when you can't identify with the android on a personal level very well. Why do they have that capacity to begin with? They don't. At least not on the level displayed by the androids. I was going to ask about their personality capacity earlier but didnt. The androids are most probably given a standard personality "program" that allows them to communicate with humans in a halfway natural fashion. The androids are also AIs, which allow them to learn and improve in their ability to serve their owners. The issue in this series is what probably started as the AI's idea that emulating their human owners would allow them to interact better, and now the andriods are developing their personalities beyond what their creators intnded, and displaying individuality. The chip that is supposed to be retraining development like this doesn't seem to be working, or the androids are learning how to work around it. And the people in the end of the episode, clearly not wanting robot freedom, are they not also the ones that built the robots - or are there yet another party involved somehow? Could be either. The android's own parent company or a government watchdog group. |
| Sammy's shocked then sad face. That was great, feel bad for her though lol. |
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| Another great episode. This show is a masterpiece. They really know how to tug at your heartstrings. I just want to give them all a big hug.ಥ_ಥ Especially Akiko. |
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| Very great episode, I'm still in love with Akiko. Can't wait for more. |
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| Akiko is very nice. I hope it doesn't take too long till the next episode. :( |
| this is really one of those animes I wished I have heard about after it was finished, cause it was so good I'm gonna have a hard time waiting for new episodes. Also i want Akiko to have my robo babies. |
| It doesn't think, it doesn't feel, it doesn't laugh or cry..... All it does from dusk till dawn is make the soldiers die. |
| Absolutely loved it. This show it's getting more and more interesting. I like the dualism between the TV shows and what happens on the cafe. Also, Rikuo's face when he saw Sammy was priceless, lol. Now... until December. |
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| They're doing a great job destroying all the certainties of their characters (and of the spectators at the same time), and navigating from illusion (inside the café) to reality (outside the café). On top of that, animation and chara-design is extremely good, so I must say this ONA is one of the best, if not the best, I've ever seen. Great watch for sure. |
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| Very nice, I liked the 'cat' as well xD. |
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| I really liked this episode once again! I particularly like the atmosphere, especially when they are at the cafe. This series continues to impress me more and more! |
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| Ah, good to know other people like Akiko as well.<3 Akiko is great, that poor girl.;_; I went to bed last night thinking about her. I think if I had seen her that day, and then saw her getting mistreated for being an android like that, and then seeing her again the cafe, I think I would have cried. I would have cried my eyes out. |
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nx6 said: Sanshaino said: By the way...is there some kind of reason that the robots' technological capacity of having a personality and socially integrating just like humans is kept in check like here in the series? Obviously to keep them subserviant to humans. If robots are allowed to advance their personality and intelligence too much, they'll begin to demand recognition as sentient life forms, and that mean rights. This was brough up in episode one. The high self-sufficiency of the food supply in the anime's universe is at least partially due to the use of robots in the field, robot workers that can function like slaves really. Is it only to clearly distinguish them from humans? That is one factor. It allows humans to easily identify androids, and treat them accordingly. It also prevents any murky ethics issues when you can't identify with the android on a personal level very well. Why do they have that capacity to begin with? They don't. At least not on the level displayed by the androids. I was going to ask about their personality capacity earlier but didnt. The androids are most probably given a standard personality "program" that allows them to communicate with humans in a halfway natural fashion. The androids are also AIs, which allow them to learn and improve in their ability to serve their owners. The issue in this series is what probably started as the AI's idea that emulating their human owners would allow them to interact better, and now the andriods are developing their personalities beyond what their creators intnded, and displaying individuality. The chip that is supposed to be retraining development like this doesn't seem to be working, or the androids are learning how to work around it. And the people in the end of the episode, clearly not wanting robot freedom, are they not also the ones that built the robots - or are there yet another party involved somehow? Could be either. The android's own parent company or a government watchdog group. Not to mention it helps prevent attachment. One thing humanity wouldn't want is for their own kind falling in love with a machine that can act as the perfect mate but cant reproduce. That would reduce the population dramatically. Also the fact that most people don't want to feel sympathy or deal with drama for something thats designed to do all your work. I could just see a human having an argument with a robot over who's turn it is to take out the trash and then getting caught on the losing end and having to take the trash out wile the robot gets to watch TV XD. It's going to get interesting. The robots have no set rule that says they have to act a specific way. I can see this causing problems later on when robot's start getting permission from their masters to take the halo's off and act like normal people. As for this episode I thought it was amazing! I found it even more enjoyable then the first episode. Sammy, with the head band scrunchy looked really cute. On a side note, I've found that the people that are more animated tend to be the robots. So it's the exact opposite of what the boys think. I'm sure they will toss us a curve ball at some point though. |
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DeathfireD said: Not to mention it helps prevent attachment. One thing humanity wouldn't want is for their own kind falling in love with a machine that can act as the perfect mate but cant reproduce. That would reduce the population dramatically. Also the fact that most people don't want to feel sympathy or deal with drama for something thats designed to do all your work. That's what I meant in my third paragraph. I just didn't want to bring up robosexuality so bluntly. On a side note, I've found that the people that are more animated tend to be the robots. So it's the exact opposite of what the boys think. I'm sure they will toss us a curve ball at some point though. Akiko being an android was the biggest shock for me in the first episode. I figured Nagi was the android, I guess she still could be, but I don't see both of them being androids for some reason. |
| Absolutely awesome. Really love this series so far. I think, even though I want more!, that the short episodes work quite well. This sort of series benifits fom the short episodes rather than having to drag out a story for a whole 26 episodes or whatever. Plus notice that its 6 x 15 minute episodes. It's gonna make a nice 1 hour 30 minute film when its finished! |
nx6 said: DeathfireD said: Not to mention it helps prevent attachment. One thing humanity wouldn't want is for their own kind falling in love with a machine that can act as the perfect mate but cant reproduce. That would reduce the population dramatically. Also the fact that most people don't want to feel sympathy or deal with drama for something thats designed to do all your work. That's what I meant in my third paragraph. I just didn't want to bring up robosexuality so bluntly. On a side note, I've found that the people that are more animated tend to be the robots. So it's the exact opposite of what the boys think. I'm sure they will toss us a curve ball at some point though. Akiko being an android was the biggest shock for me in the first episode. I figured Nagi was the android, I guess she still could be, but I don't see both of them being androids for some reason. ahh ic, I have to confess I only read half of your post :/. And ya Akiko was a shock to me but after that it became pretty obvious where they where heading with the Android personality's. I'm still guessing there will be a curve ball or two tossed in though to catch us off guard and make it interesting. PS. on the main Welcome to Eve website they have "First Season" in quotations. I'm guessing their planning for a second season if this one goes well. We probably wont see it for a year and half though. |
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| Man, this 2 month wait thing is gonna kill me >_< DeathfireD said: PS. on the main Welcome to Eve website they have "First Season" in quotations. I'm guessing their planning for a second season if this one goes well. We probably wont see it for a year and half though. I hope you're right about that ^^ Sammy was sooooo cute with her hair up and that expression, SQUEEEEEEE!!!!! (^o^)/ |
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DeathfireD said: Wait. Where's the preview at? I watched on Crunchyroll and at the end of episode 2 they showed the preview for episode 2 again. T.T PS. on the main Welcome to Eve website they have "First Season" in quotations. I'm guessing their planning for a second season if this one goes well. We probably wont see it for a year and half though. Maybe they'll do longer episodes or not so long between them, though. |
nx6 said: DeathfireD said: Wait. Where's the preview at? I watched on Crunchyroll and at the end of episode 2 they showed the preview for episode 2 again. T.T PS. on the main Welcome to Eve website they have "First Season" in quotations. I'm guessing their planning for a second season if this one goes well. We probably wont see it for a year and half though. Maybe they'll do longer episodes or not so long between them, though. Download the ep. |
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| YES! The long wait is over (and the beginning of another one T_T). I love this series (the music is awesome, too). Rikuo and Sammy need to have a little talk. At least she smiled at the end. Unfortunately, next ep doesn't look like it has quite enough Rikuo. Best parts: The way Akiko nonchalantly admitting she was an android. "Where's the ring above your head?" "It's off." Also, "It's a piano." "Are you going to play it?" "I told you, I've quit playing. I'll play it." nx6 said: They appear to have something to do with the creation of or monitoring of the AI. I'm under the impression that the person they mentioned was like the one who designed the AI, and may have wanted it to grow. Now that he/she's gone, their 'disciples' are trying to keep the status quo.Sanshaino said: Could be either. The android's own parent company or a government watchdog group.And the people in the end of the episode, clearly not wanting robot freedom, are they not also the ones that built the robots - or are there yet another party involved somehow? nx6 said: Midway through the first ep I got this feeling that she was an android. Although the way they pulled off the scene was really shocking; I've never seen anything done that well.Akiko being an android was the biggest shock for me in the first episode. I figured Nagi was the android, I guess she still could be, but I don't see both of them being androids for some reason. DeathfireD said: Huh? I watched it twice and didn't see anything like... that.DeathfireD said: ZOMGAnime.com has it. Better than Crunchyroll, imao, because they use embedded Veoh. And they're faster.nx6 said: Download the ep.Wait. Where's the preview at? I watched on Crunchyroll and at the end of episode 2 they showed the preview for episode 2 again. T.T |
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nx6 said: Akiko being an android was the biggest shock for me in the first episode. I figured Nagi was the android, I guess she still could be, but I don't see both of them being androids for some reason. I think that's why they did it. |
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JadeMatrix said: DeathfireD said: Huh? I watched it twice and didn't see anything like... that.I think he means the first scene where the two off them look like they're falling. But you can tell if it's to the ground (just collapsing togther onto the grass) or off a high surface, since they don't show what they're standing on and all we see is sky in front of them. |
| The cast just keeps getting better. Now we also have Sugita Tomokazu, Yamaguchi Yuriko to name a few. Next episode looks promising. On a side note, Sammy with her hair up looked sooooo cute. |
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nx6 said: JadeMatrix said: DeathfireD said: Huh? I watched it twice and didn't see anything like... that.I think he means the first scene where the two off them look like they're falling. But you can tell if it's to the ground (just collapsing togther onto the grass) or off a high surface, since they don't show what they're standing on and all we see is sky in front of them. Theres like a 35 second preview for the next episode. All of the scenes are related to the couple we see in the cafe. It also shows the two male main characters talking with them on a couch, in the cafe. I got [pireze] release so if you guys have a different release, they probably cut the preview out or something. |
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| I want more now! This was a great episode. Just wondering, so once the androids leave the eve, they can't revert back to their "free will" mode? |
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aero said: I want more now! This was a great episode. Just wondering, so once the androids leave the eve, they can't revert back to their "free will" mode? They probably could since theres no rule saying they cant. The problem is they follow what their "masters" tell them. So unless their master directly commands them to "Talk to me like you would in Eve" the androids probably wont. I think our main character will figure this out at some point. The people on the phones at the end kind of hint towards this too. |
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| I liked it so far, but I have to agree that they are quite bland... What really gets to me is how fast the episode seems, which is what I really don't don't like about the series right now. |
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| Another great episode, doing a great job building character. And agreed of Sammy. She looks adorable <3. Hope she get's more involved in future episodes. |
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Lieila said: I really love this show. It's refreshing for me. I like the animation and the sound. I'm also looking forward for the next episode. Hopefully, yes..there will be a second season. Same here. Its nice to have such a high standard and somehow relaxing (at least for me) show besides all these typical "mecha / fantasy / scifi / action anime" (...although I like them as well, of course). ^^ |
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FTGT said: Lieila said: I really love this show. It's refreshing for me. I like the animation and the sound. I'm also looking forward for the next episode. Hopefully, yes..there will be a second season. Same here. Its nice to have such a high standard and somehow relaxing (at least for me) show besides all these typical "mecha / fantasy / scifi / action anime" (...although I like them as well, of course). ^^ Yeah yeah. That's right dude. |
| Its obvious this show has the potential to be really great, I have loved the first two episodes so far. I cant wait for the third, but they are releasing them way too far apart. 2 months for 15 min is way too long. |
| another good episode.... agree with ender650 that release times are too far apart... I'll probably end up rewatching them all together afterward just to take it all in. also... sammy + hair tie = win |
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| Im getting more and more interested about robots, especialy about androids. Thanks to this show. To me, this show is very interesting , because the androids have feelings too. I can only imagine how would i feel, to see my robot being independent like an human. DAAAMN, it sucks that we are so far away from androids. When androinds are reality. I am surely a old geezer by then..too bad. Good episode 5/5. i hope, that there isnt going to be any robot rebellion or like something. |
| I loved this episode. As one who has ben romantically attracted to some anime robots (and one RL robot) myself (is there any term for that?), I support the idea of having no distinguishment between robots and humans. I hope the hero will come to support this, as, technically, if they are artificially intelligent, they're as real as us, if not the same species. After all, who knows if we're "real"? Right, fangirling time now. One: Sammi! Sammiiii~ <3 Two: Rikuo x Sammi! Rikuo x Sammi! (Btw, did anyone catch a slight biblical reference here? The time of Eve, androids (angels) living on earth with humanity... or do I just allegorize too much? xD) |
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Hikari_Tajiri said: (Btw, did anyone catch a slight biblical reference here? The time of Eve, androids (angels) living on earth with humanity... or do I just allegorize too much? xD) The dualism between androids and humans could be something like the rivalry between Cain and Abel, the two first-born of Eve. Time of Eve could mean something like "the time before Adam and Eve were banished from the Garden of Eden" where everything was still alright. And of course, the halo's. Though this might just be like with Evangelion,where in the end was stated that it was only used to give the project a unique edge against other giant robot shows, and that it had no particular meaning. Nice episode. Less 'weird/artsy' than the first one, but there was more time for characters, especially Sammie. <3 |
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