| I would say you are in the minority, especially since your list has people like Akune yet not Kumagawa...Well in any case people are entitled to their tastes so its not like its wrong for you to be in the minority, tho i wonder if you can still like Medaka after reading the Successor arc I think one of the biggest problems with Medaka, is that she is a huge hypocrite, among other things... |
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Williampetty said: It's quite clear by popularity polls that liking Medaka is not "the minority", rather Zenkichi is the minority out of the student council, however with his current screentime, he'll probably get more votes... But yes, liking Medaka is not a minority - in Japan. I personally find Medaka to be my favourite character too, in the series. Don't get me wrong, I still love other characters like Kumagawa and Hinokage, but Medaka is the most interesting for me, which is what Zenkichi fails to do (hence, I dislike him). You do realize the reason why Medaka is liked by those people right....if you want a hint since you can't get it; try watching the anime, since they put emphasis on it, that is about her only redeeming feature since her personality is unlikeable. Or are you honestly gonna say that she isn't a hypocrite, that she didn't pull BS in the successor arc, i mean the list goes on and on and on.....I give credit to Zenkichi for being able to put up with her crap for so long, kind of reminds me of Kyon, tho in fairness to Haruhi, Medaka is way worse. |
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Zakeru1221 said: her inconsistent indecisive love for Zenkichi is probably the thing that I hate the most about her, though I suppose that's how the author wants to keep it in order for things to be "interesting" well to be fair Medaka is not my favourite character, but I do find her fascinating, she just has so much hidden character traits to be shown, especially when it's obvious the face she put up in the early chapters was just an illusion. She is a strong character. InfiniteDestiny said: Or are you honestly gonna say that she isn't a hypocrite, that she didn't pull BS in the successor arc, i mean the list goes on and on and on.... care giving an example? Do realise that her relationship with Zenkichi is an interesting one and probably doesn't apply to many other cases. |
jeroz said: InfiniteDestiny said: Or are you honestly gonna say that she isn't a hypocrite, that she didn't pull BS in the successor arc, i mean the list goes on and on and on.... care giving an example? Do realise that her relationship with Zenkichi is an interesting one and probably doesn't apply to many other cases. Sure there are plenty, but one that comes to my mind is Also i don't think i really need to list the BS in the successor arc do i? |
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InfiniteDestiny said: Sure there are plenty, but one that comes to my mind is but yes, do list them |
jeroz said: InfiniteDestiny said: Sure there are plenty, but one that comes to my mind is but yes, do list them You didn't even acknowledge what i said, its like you skipped over what you didn't like....you are seriously going to argue what she did wasn't hypocritical? You didn't mention the ideals either, want to break those down also? But seriously, because she personally thought he wasn't special anymore its ok to hit the guy? wtf.....and your entire statement....read what you write man..."he is no longer special" is what you wrote, that is just her perception, you can't really judge whats special or not, so for her to hit him because her perception changed was BS, thats like saying its ok to hit everyone you perceive to be normal.... and also you are gonna justly her beatdown of him in the council room when his back was turned...., you want me to make a list fine, but seriously actually acknowledge the points i made first, and take into mind that there was a reason everyone sided against her, her way of thinking was wrong There is another point also, she is a freaken tool, this can be seen when she freaken breaks down asking what her new purpose in life should be....she doesn't have a personality, its i must live for others or "what must i do now"; you can say she is trying to get a personality, but thats a attempt in progress, thats nothing with value. This is the bottom line, i will even bold it for you; Medaka is a hypocrite, what is your argument to that statement? or do you acknowledge it? |
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InfiniteDestiny said: You didn't even acknowledge what i said, its like you skipped over what you didn't like....you are seriously going to argue what she did wasn't hypocritical? You didn't mention the ideals either, want to break those down also? But seriously, because she personally thought he wasn't special anymore its ok to hit the guy? wtf.....and your entire statement....read what you write man..."he is no longer special" is what you wrote, that is just her perception, you can't really judge whats special or not, so for her to hit him because her perception changed was BS, thats like saying its ok to hit everyone you perceive to be normal.... and also you are gonna justly her beatdown of him in the council room when his back was turned...., you want me to make a list fine, but seriously actually acknowledge the points i made first, and take into mind that there was a reason everyone sided against her, her way of thinking was wrong There is another point also, she is a freaken tool, this can be seen when she freaken breaks down asking what her new purpose in life should be....she doesn't have a personality, its i must live for others or "what must i do now"; you can say she is trying to get a personality, but thats a attempt in progress, thats nothing with value. This is the bottom line, i will even bold it for you; Medaka is a hypocrite, what is your argument to that statement? or do you acknowledge it? nope, I said that she hit Zenkichi because he's being an idiot, not because he's no longer special. He just no longer has the "special someone" barrier that might prevent her from hitting him. Also, Zenkichi issued the challenge, it's natural to start early. What do you think this story is? A typical shonen where they wait for the challenger to level up first? The minus arc already showed that won't be the case, and Zenkichi knew it. You do realise what part of her thinking is wrong right? it's that she shouldn't think that everyone has to rely on her, that she shouldn't be the one shouldering everything, that her thinking of perfect isn't that perfect from other people's point of view. Also, a goal and a personality are totally different things. Sure a goal can come from a personality, and vice versa, but to say that they are the exact same thing is just hypocritical. We see what she's truly like in the next chapter immediately anyway, one that's free from all the restraint and burdens. I'm saying that you have a strongly biased perception towards Medaka that you ignores everything that contradicts your statement. She is consistent to her own character, and is NOT a hypocrite. |
jeroz said: nope, I said that she hit Zenkichi because he's being an idiot, not because he's no longer special. He just no longer has the "special someone" barrier that might prevent her from hitting him. Also, Zenkichi issued the challenge, it's natural to start early. What do you think this story is? A typical shonen where they wait for the challenger to level up first? The minus arc already showed that won't be the case, and Zenkichi knew it. You do realise what part of her thinking is wrong right? it's that she shouldn't think that everyone has to rely on her, that she shouldn't be the one shouldering everything, that her thinking of perfect isn't that perfect from other people's point of view. Also, a goal and a personality are totally different things. Sure a goal can come from a personality, and vice versa, but to say that they are the exact same thing is just hypocritical. We see what she's truly like in the next chapter immediately anyway, one that's free from all the restraint and burdens. I'm saying that you have a strongly biased perception towards Medaka that you ignores everything that contradicts your statement. She is consistent to her own character, and is NOT a hypocrite. Once again you side step my points, perhaps i should be more clear on it? She said to Kumagawa what is wrong with losing when she beat him, Zenkichi did not want to lose (was he childish or w/e about it is irrelevant since the main issue was not wanting to lose) and she hit him for the same thing that she said there is nothing wrong with... Also i think you are just blindly defending Medaka or just dnt remember how BS that scene was, all he did was say "she was wrong" and then walked away does the look on her face look normal to you? she hit him like a psycho when his back was turned, if you saw that scene she simply said he was an enemy for disagreeing with her.... Wrong yet again, this links into the next one so i'll just mix the two, you are indeed correct that them relying on her played a major role into why Zenkichi even became President, no i will actually say it was the main reason, however her way of thinking was wrong, dnt try to sugercoat it by saying it was a goal, it was a belief, not a goal, like shown here Zenkichi showed her the path of shura "to live for the sake of others" and when she lost like the tool she is she crawled to him asking what she should do....she is a freaken tool, that carefree attitude after she loses isn't a personality, its an attempt to get one, thats why she can't even focus on one thing Now for her ideals, she is such a hypocrite it sad....she always says that you must have been a good person once upon a time etc etc etc then trys to reform them right? or something among those lines anyway, how does she judge when people need to get beaten? i thought everyone was good inside and that reforming through not violent means is the way to go! Heck its even shown in the anime when Unzen attacked her, she said she had no reason to hit him back, yet when he attacks others its ok then right? we got a hero character on our hands...lets get real...It was shown best with Kumagawa, for a long long time she didn't even want to try reforming him, she trys to act like a god when she anything but one, all she is a freaken tool with high efficiency for many tasks, that is all she is. Now that said she can develop a personality, but that remains to be seen. |
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InfiniteDestiny said: Once again you side step my points, perhaps i should be more clear on it? She said to Kumagawa what is wrong with losing when she beat him, Zenkichi did not want to lose (was he childish or w/e about it is irrelevant since the main issue was not wanting to lose) and she hit him for the same thing that she said there is nothing wrong with... Once again stop trying to sidestep my point. She DID NOT hit zenkichi because he was trying. She hit him because he went all excuse finding and becomes so pathetic. How many times do I have to emphasise it before you understand what I was saying? InfiniteDestiny said: Also i think you are just blindly defending Medaka or just dnt remember how BS that scene was, all he did was say "she was wrong" and then walked away does the look on her face look normal to you? she hit him like a psycho when his back was turned, if you saw that scene she simply said he was an enemy for disagreeing with her.... read the bottom left panel again. This is Medaka's way of solving problems. Nothing out of ordinary. There, all explained perfectly. InfiniteDestiny said: Wrong yet again, this links into the next one so i'll just mix the two, you are indeed correct that them relying on her played a major role into why Zenkichi even became President, no i will actually say it was the main reason, however her way of thinking was wrong, dnt try to sugercoat it by saying it was a goal, it was a belief, not a goal, like shown here Zenkichi showed her the path of shura "to live for the sake of others" and when she lost like the tool she is she crawled to him asking what she should do....she is a freaken tool, that carefree attitude after she loses isn't a personality, its an attempt to get one, thats why she can't even focus on one thing Considering that she had been helping those students for years and even risking her life in two major battle arcs, I think anyone will be like her,l be shattered to see that the support rate drops down from overwhelming 98% to a measly 2%. It's not the fact that she lost to Zenkichi, it's that she lost the crowd that breaks her. Get your facts straight please. After that since Zenkichi provided her with guidance before, it's no surprise that she asked him again. Anyone with their ideal shattered would act the same way. The carefree attitude might as well be another mask that she put up, but at least she's not obliged to present herself as the "perfect student" no more. InfiniteDestiny said: Now for her ideals, she is such a hypocrite it sad....she always says that you must have been a good person once upon a time etc etc etc then trys to reform them right? or something among those lines anyway, how does she judge when people need to get beaten? i thought everyone was good inside and that reforming through not violent means is the way to go! Heck its even shown in the anime when Unzen attacked her, she said she had no reason to hit him back, yet when he attacks others its ok then right? we got a hero character on our hands...lets get real...It was shown best with Kumagawa, for a long long time she didn't even want to try reforming him, she trys to act like a god when she anything but one, all she is a freaken tool with high efficiency for many tasks, that is all she is. Now that said she can develop a personality, but that remains to be seen. You don't hit someone who's not going to fight you, as shown when Anshin'in's passive strategy proved to be very useful since Medaka does not start up a fight. Now I might remember it wrong here, but the whole "I won't hit back since there's no use to start up a fight" mentality was dropped pretty soon after she realise that violence is sometimes necessary to reform people, right after that talk with Nekomi senpai. Regarding to Kumagawa, didn't you notice how he was such a stigma in her past? One that couldn't be reformed no matter what. Seriously, stop comparing her to god, she isn't one and just because she's acting kind and all powerful she pretending to be like one. You have a weird perception to her for some reason, and I still have no idea why. by the way, what's your definition of the word "tool" you use there? I feel like there's some misunderstanding here. |
| To long to quote so i'm sure you can apply these answers without one right? To begin, your defense of what i said about her hitting him from behind, was that he was pathetic, that is simply your perception, him being labeled as pathetic is not a fact or stated law (exaggeration so you get the point) In other words she thought he was pathetic thus she hit him correct? that is what you are saying, well what i'm responding to you is, What Zenkichi did which she thought was pathetic was no different than what Kumagawa did to which she herself said "there is nothing wrong with not wanting to lose" or something among those lines. Thus her view of not wanting to lose was contradicted Your 2nd point is even weaker, just because its ordinary its ok? really....is that what you are truly trying to say?! Zenkichi never even said he wanted to fight, he just said she was wrong, if everyone got hit because of disagreements in this world....seriously you can't say that is right, if you state that her hitting him like that is ordinary for her, than that just proves my point even more about how her very nature is what is wrong, i mean seriously like i said she looked like a psycho when she hit him just for disagreeing with her So if you have a pathetic belief for a long time its ok when its finally proven wrong? i mean seriously....that is pretty much what you just said, is it natural to be discouraged, of course it is, is it natural to crawl on the floor and ask for a new purpose....lets get real, also while we are getting real here, what happened to her viewing Zenkichi as pathetic, wasn't he an enemy not even comparable to a cicada (look it up, her insults to him) yet she crawls to such a person, irony don't you think? You saying that she is wearing another mask side steps my point yet again, she has no personality; personality are meant to be shown, they aren't meant to be tucked away in the limbo of ones mind. You prove my point yet again, she changes her way of "reforming" way to easily, her entire set of ideals are flawed, her way of carrying them out are even worse. You want to get all philosophical? fine, then i will ask you this, how can you choose whos good and bad, whos right and wrong, how do you distinguish worth in settlement, or established order without tyranny, you seriously think that just because she says she is right that it automatically makes what she does ok? Now comes up with the God comparison, i never once compared her to God, i said she acts like she is one it is completely different, her ego is way to freaken big. Stigma or not, her beliefs don't hold exceptions, its not like she said her she believes "all people are good and reformable [except Kumagawa]" that hole in her beliefs is just her own weakness, a weakness which is completely normal (everyone has weakpoints) yet one she never acknowledges, she acts like she is God yet never admits to her shortcomings, it took the whole freaken Successor arc for her to admit she was wrong O_O As for my use of the word Tool, i may have misused the word in certain places and forgot to correct myself, but i meant tool as in terms of character not in equipment |
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| ok, seriously, stop misquoting me and put words into my mouth. First one, let's just quote what Zenkichi said here: "Something has to be wrong. There's no way I'm dead last. Y...yea, let's do this over! Do you understand? I only messed up starting out! Do you see! Kumagawa had to do something to me! It's because of that I couldn't show my full strength! Let's do it again fairly so I can push the correct answer out" If that wasn't pathetic I don't know what is. He's simply looking for excuses for his own failure and shifting blames to Kumagawa. Zenkichi went in issuing a challenge, a fight, and fully understands it himself, yet you are saying Medaka initiated without any reason? Sure you can say that maybe Medaka is so used to the constant fighting now so that she understands the challenge too literally. Seriously, even with that psycho look, it's only a brief and went back to the usual 1v1 stance straight away. It's like any other fights to her. No, I'm saying that it's understandable for someone who had that belief for a long time to be confused when it just suddenly stops working. It doesn't matter if the idea is pathetic or grand. Do you even understand which belief as shattered? Also, the battle is over by then, and she did have the tendency to become friends with former enemies. You seriously need to pay more attention to the manga. By the way, she tripped and stayed down, no act of crawling is observed throughout that scene. Personality can change. Remember this fact. People changes, they are not fkin wood. Most importantly, she never claim to be one, nor pretend to be one. It's all from other people's perspective because of her benevolent and omnipotent nature. Where's this huge ego you were talking about? Her acting like a student council president? ffs, Kumagawa wasn't even in the fkin school. Do you expect her to chase him down to another school to try to reform everyone on the planet? You get real here. Glad we cleared it up, because I don't believe the use of the word tool is suitable here. seriously this conversation has been going on for too long. You really need to read the manga again because clearly you are not paying much attention to the details and just imagining things that would suit your biased arguments. |
| Ok you seriously need to understand what you are freaken saying, you keep saying "Zenkichi is pathetic" that is what you just said right? "If that wasn't pathetic i don't know what is", now pay attention, She thought he was pathetic for not wanting to lose (your little quote is just his way of not wanting to lose, the fact that he didn't want to lose was still the same, or are you going to disagree with that also?), Kumagawa whether pathetic or not didn't want to lose, she however said "what is wrong with not wanting to lose", but hitting Zenkichi for not wanting to lose, she contradicted what she told Kumagawa, understand now? Even the idiom website says the exact same thing "Hypocrite: In the fight against Kumugawa, Medaka asks him what the problem is with not wanting to lose. In chapter 115, she chews Zenkichi out... for not wanting to lose." You really do like to side step don't you? The fact on the matter is that she was on her knees asking for a purpose in life, let me ask you this, would you ever do such a thing? no would any person with any sense of pride or personality ever do such a thing? Asking for help is one thing, going on your knees and asking for a life purpose is pretty freaken pathetic, one of the major points in life is that you have to figure that out by yourself, she didn't even know that until Zenkichi told her, You should note Zenkichi could have lied to her also, and she likely would have followed his words again, if that is not a tool then what really is? You are very right, absolutely right, people and personality can change, so i guess i should correct myself, she had a personality, a egotistical arrogance ignorant eccentric... well you get the point, point is a crappy personality, she is now in the process of changing it. Where is her huge ego? and you tell me to reread the manga....seriously....If we count up the amount of times she shown humility to the amount of times she has shown arrogance what do you think the percentage will be? i think it would be close to that 98% actually, she believes she is always right, the anime exaggerated it but did it well when they showed her above the world, that is how she treats people, I believe Naze said it, Zenkichi is her link to her humanity, when she cut it off, she cut off being human (during the Successor arc) You are missing the freaken point, when he got back she refused to even try to reform him, she even said at one point "do i really have to reform him?" or something like that which shaking in fear. Her so called beliefs has way to may fractures in it. Also you forget that she stopped short on reforming Kumagawa in middle school after that little incident, instead she went berserk calling him a monster, so much for reforming, its exactly like Unzen said she has no right to force what she believes to be right on to other people, others have said similiar things, and if i actually cared to look it all up i could likely find even more quotes and examples but the point is your defense has been weak, so that just means you refuse to accept it, thus why i'm wrapping this up now You are the one who should reread the manga, because what it comes down to it is you dislike Zenkichi thus your view in this little conversation, i however look at it differently, if anything i give credit to Zenkichi for putting up with crap for so long, you forget Zenkichi is normal, people may say he is weak or whatever, but he has no power, he does whatever he can to keep up with her antics out of willpower, and also that 98% you should go back and reread, if you did you would know that 98%, a lot of it is only because Zenkichi was helping her, Shiranui pointed that out several times. Zenkichi only won because they wanted to stop relying on her, but that just shows her way of thinking was wrong, it just took 139 chapters for people to realize what Unzen said, its not ok for her to enforce her form of right onto other people and "solve" their problems, because in reality she didn't solve crap, its their own problems, its their own life, they have to stand up and live it, something she has failed to do with her own life, seeing as she doesn't even know what she wants. |
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Williampetty said: InfiniteDestiny said: Williampetty said: It's quite clear by popularity polls that liking Medaka is not "the minority", rather Zenkichi is the minority out of the student council, however with his current screentime, he'll probably get more votes... But yes, liking Medaka is not a minority - in Japan. I personally find Medaka to be my favourite character too, in the series. Don't get me wrong, I still love other characters like Kumagawa and Hinokage, but Medaka is the most interesting for me, which is what Zenkichi fails to do (hence, I dislike him). You do realize the reason why Medaka is liked by those people right....if you want a hint since you can't get it; try watching the anime, since they put emphasis on it, that is about her only redeeming feature since her personality is unlikeable. Or are you honestly gonna say that she isn't a hypocrite, that she didn't pull BS in the successor arc, i mean the list goes on and on and on.....I give credit to Zenkichi for being able to put up with her crap for so long, kind of reminds me of Kyon, tho in fairness to Haruhi, Medaka is way worse. Err, there are a lot of characters in Medaka Box with large breasts and exposed. For example, Koga, who isn't even in the top 10. That's such wrong and inconsiderate statement. Just because you don't like her and you think she's a hypocrite means very little to her popularity. She is a developed character and hence, people vote for her. I don't even know why you argue this. She's beat Zenkichi every single popularity poll, and by no means will that change in the one coming up. Until you can prove people voted for her before of her looks, which the popularity poll done was done before the anime even came out, then please don't sprout bull. I find Zenkichi a lot more annoying than Medaka, by far. Don't you think it would be odd if the title character didn't get that high in the polls i mean come on....Also i can't prove that statement, but its not like i stated it as a fact or anything i simply stated what i believe the reason to be, just like you dislike Zenkichi i dislike Medaka, frankly for all the reasons i mentioned above which i dnt feel like restating, So once again if Medaka who is the title character lost to Zenkichi that would be pretty sad since she should top the polls yet she doesn't....its already shown that Kumagawa is way better received, i mean didn't he have like 3x her votes or something last time? Lastly that anime statement was just an example, since there are plenty of moments in the manga where that is emphasized also, your comment about Koga is misplaced also since its avoids my point; Medaka gets votes in my opinion due to the following reasons, one she is the title character, two she is fanservice, and three because of screen time. To cut the argument short since i already had another long one with someone else, lets agree to disagree ok? A debate about popularity polls is kinda lame as it is |
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| I don't hate Medaka, what I hate is the fact that she isn't allowed to be wrong. I've read some reviews from readers saying "Medaka is supposed to be hated. She is designed that way." I'm sorry, but that's some of the dumbest stuff I've heard. I personally hate this manga with a passion. It is just a bunch of nonsensical plot developments that continuously become more outrageous as it goes on, and I hope to god that this is truly supposed to be poking fun at Battle Mangas, because this is everything that is wrong with them. But that's also the only thing that is making this manga move along, it's the outrageousness and dementedness of the people out there that feel they could match Medaka and bring her down, not the fact that she is "always right". Really, a lot of the time I agree with her, but what I really hate is the whole conflict in the Not Equal Arc where Hitoyoshi goes against her because she decides her enemies are more important to her than him. Never once does she ever care that Hitoyoshi may leave her becasue of this, and the author actually makes the whole thing Hitoyoshis fault. Even after she is crushed in the election, although her misery at losing is oh-so-satisfying, that misery should have been from Hitoyoshi leaving her. They just treat it as if her caring more for the enemies was not wrong. |
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Derravaragh said: I don't hate Medaka, what I hate is the fact that she isn't allowed to be wrong. I've read some reviews from readers saying "Medaka is supposed to be hated. She is designed that way." I'm sorry, but that's some of the dumbest stuff I've heard. I personally hate this manga with a passion. It is just a bunch of nonsensical plot developments that continuously become more outrageous as it goes on, and I hope to god that this is truly supposed to be poking fun at Battle Mangas, because this is everything that is wrong with them. But that's also the only thing that is making this manga move along, it's the outrageousness and dementedness of the people out there that feel they could match Medaka and bring her down, not the fact that she is "always right". Really, a lot of the time I agree with her, but what I really hate is the whole conflict in the Not Equal Arc where Hitoyoshi goes against her because she decides her enemies are more important to her than him. Never once does she ever care that Hitoyoshi may leave her becasue of this, and the author actually makes the whole thing Hitoyoshis fault. Even after she is crushed in the election, although her misery at losing is oh-so-satisfying, that misery should have been from Hitoyoshi leaving her. They just treat it as if her caring more for the enemies was not wrong. That's mostly true except for the fact that I don't think Hitoyoshi going against her was because she treated her enemies better than him. Rather, she treated her enemies as if they were her friends and doesn't believe humans can be truly evil. If it was something like jealousy then all the people that backed Hitoyoshi up wouldn't have done anything to help him. She was completely in the wrong and I was rooting for Hitoyoshi the whole time but I don't think her misery should of been from him leaving her. During that whole fight he was still apart of the Student Council and associating with Medaka so it's not like he ignored her completely. The misery was because she lost her reason for living which Zenkichi did give her before. If she was sad or despaired that Zenkichi left and was regretting her actions then this would've turned into more of a love thing between Zenkichi and Medaka rather than finding a good reason to live. Medaka as a character knows nothing about love than when she asked Zenkichi to marry her when they first met. Her having feelings about Zenkichi opposing her would've been conflicting with most of her ideas since the start of the manga. Though many consider her a hypocrite so it wouldn't have been surprising if that had happened. |
| Kumagawa rules. I can't help but think this manga is a parody of regular shonen battle manga, though. All the characters pretty much have a trait of what a normal/steretypical protagonist would, except it's exaggerated ten times. |
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dkrdude3 said: It seems like most people dislike Medaka, but she's my favorite character. After her, I'd probably say I like her brother, Kikaijima, Akune and Zenkichi about equally. They're all cool. I like that cheating judo girl, too, though I can't recall her name off the top of my head. Medaka's what makes the manga so entertaining for me, though. I don't feel a girl is very much more awesome than others for me to favorite over but you are not alone on not disliking her. I do not dislike Medaka. The only time i was a little annoyed by her was during the minus arc. People seem to hate her because of her overpowers and overly good intentions but i think she shouldn't be hated for those because her perfectionist and possible faults thing was presented as the essence of the plot. Is different from having a plot and just simply making the main too awesome when it has to win. For me a guy like Natsu in Fairy Tail or Goku are more annoying with always taking the spot-line. If you think about it Medaka too a lot less of the glory than those guy ever did and she not stupidly overpowered, she overpowered because that is a plot essence. If you want to look stupidly over perfect characters look at Usui(Kaichou wa Maid-sama!) that has no reason to be like that and yet he is and is not as disliked ether, witch is stupid. InfiniteDestiny said: Ok you seriously need to understand what you are freaken saying, you keep saying "Zenkichi is pathetic" that is what you just said right? "If that wasn't pathetic i don't know what is", now pay attention, She thought he was pathetic for not wanting to lose (your little quote is just his way of not wanting to lose, the fact that he didn't want to lose was still the same, or are you going to disagree with that also?), Kumagawa whether pathetic or not didn't want to lose, she however said "what is wrong with not wanting to lose", but hitting Zenkichi for not wanting to lose, she contradicted what she told Kumagawa, understand now? Kumagawa didn't want to lose but he accepted when he lost. There is a difference between not wanting to lose and not accepting that you lost when you already did. The contest was over, Zenkichi already lost. It doesn' matter if he didn't want to lose or not because he already lost. Medaka went to get him with a smile on her face and instead he pushed her hand off and started yelling like a 5 year old that can't accept that he lost a game and blaming others that had nothing to do with it. Yes he was pathetic and Medaka was angry with him even more than she would have been with someone like Kumagawa because he had great respect for him as a man and found that behavior very under him. That why she hit him in the head and he fully deserved it. Now shut up because you lack the ability to even comprehend what you are reading. |
MonadJan 5, 2013 7:00 AM
| Well, there is a lot of hate aimed at Medaka (nearly equal to the love aimed at Kumagawa), but I don't see why either. Yes, she's an inconsistent, hacked, plot-armored hypocrite of a character, but I find her endearing for that. I think of Medaka as a spoof of other characters. A spoof with her own personality (more like complex). And she develops as a character. That's gotta count as something. Personally, she's not my favorite character. But she's a character that serves her purpose and gets the plot going. Unlike a certain someone who Final note: I personally think that there's no character in Medaka Box that sucks. If there is any, it was probably an intentional move by Nisio Isin. So I'm with you here. I don't get the hate. |
| I think Medaka Box as a whole is meant to be a parody of the classic cliche shounen, and Medaka is a parody of all the overpowered, seemingly "perfect" shounen leads out there. So yeah, I guess you could hate her, but I appreciate the fact that she's more of a walking caricature than anything else. |
| The true one in the minority here is me, who hates Kumagawa more and more with each chapter. Medaka, while far from being my favorite, doesn't irritate or annoy me really. She's the main character, clearly stated to be absurdly powerful. Her being naive and rash is a way to keep her from OHKOing every "villain" in one chapter (thus preventing other characters from getting to do anything awesome). Kumagawa is the exact opposite, being called a loser all the time, yet winning every battle he's in (except vs Medaka) and preventing other characters from doing anything awesome (chapter 151 feels me with rage, as the whole battle was utter offscreen bullsh*t you can't justify, all in order to make Kumagawa look the best). Compared to him, Medaka is great. Without comparing, she's still pretty cool. |
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Monad said: Kumagawa didn't want to lose but he accepted when he lost. There is a difference between not wanting to lose and not accepting that you lost when you already did. The contest was over, Zenkichi already lost. It doesn' matter if he didn't want to lose or not because he already lost. Medaka went to get him with a smile on her face and instead he pushed her hand off and started yelling like a 5 year old that can't accept that he lost a game and blaming others that had nothing to do with it. Yes he was pathetic and Medaka was angry with him even more than she would have been with someone like Kumagawa because he had great respect for him as a man and found that behavior very under him. That why she hit him in the head and he fully deserved it. Now shut up because you lack the ability to even comprehend what you are reading. Actually, it doesn't seem you're comprehending what he is posting. Also, you don't go hitting people in the head for being pathetic. There is a reason why a large portion of the student body sided against Medaka after that and I think InfiniteDestiny kind of go over that nicely. I actually liked Medaka until that arc too. No matter how Zenkichi acted, it's kind of hard to like a character that straight up craps on the one person who always stuck by her. |
EsuraFeb 2, 2013 12:28 AM
| Maybe it’s because I struggle to connect with people myself, (I have been diagnosed with Asperger’s Syndrome) but I can kind of identify with Medaka. I care deeply about people when I notice they are in pain, but I often have trouble NOTICING, such a thing. I don’t really care much about social norms because they come across as arbitrary and illogical, and I can have a force of personality without trying to. And as such hurt people without meaning to. Sometimes I don’t even understand how what I did hurt someone as to me all I did was point out the truth. For me the best way to try and understand someone is to try and figure out what I would feel like if I was in their place. The problem is that as I have come to realize that not everyone would feel the same way. It also took me awhile to realize I was talented because of somethings that come easily to me. For example I can read multiple books and keep them all straight, I honestly thought that was a thing everyone could do until multiple people told me it was a rare thing. Even now it’s something I understand on an intellectual level but have trouble wrapping my head around emotionally. I guess my best way to sum up my feelings on trying to understand other people is, “of course I can’t understand where you’re coming from because I’m not you. That doesn’t mean I don’t care about what you’re going through, and want to do whatever I can to help though.” Sorry if I projected a bit much. It’s just as I finally found someone else who likes Medaka I thought I’d share some of the reasons I relate to her. Ironically I like Zenkichi as well. |
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