Naruto Chapter 561 Discussion

Maddo_scientisto said:
To add to the 'Stupid thing that broke this manga even further' list:

The kyubi was lending his chakra to naruto that wasted it all on a mere 100 clone and a few oodama rasengan. For the strongest tailed beast that's like ridiculously low chakra.

niedude said:

Hell, the Nine Tails was supposed to have near infinite chakra.

Going by how easy it usually is for Naruto to summon 100 clones and have at least a bunch of them use a normal rasengan, what we can assume is:

1: Fuck logic.
2: The OP character quota has been filled.
3: Naruto also has near infinite chakra, going by how close the Kyubi's and Naruto own maximum chakra seem to be.
4: Fuck logic.
5: Kishimoto: Problem?

Monad said:


I can't facepalm enough. HE IS A CLONE!!!!! His not the real Naruto. Also his being using Kyuubi's and his own chakra for a while now in very crazy ways.

niedude said:
Yes, they were meteors. They were called meteors, space rock, and rock from the sky. They're friggin meteors. And no, Madara did not use the Rinnegan or Tobi's Sharingan technique to make them, he just summoned them from thin air (IIRC without even using a proper summoning jutsu. And if he did, as far as I know, you could only summon living things... Not giant pieces of rock to miles above where you are.)

So, I'm just supposed to accept that Madara's awesome because he is called awesome? Is masashi expecting me to stop the usage of my brain altogether? Seriously, if you guys want to give Naruto fans a good name, don't just swallow everything Kishi spoonfeeds you just because he calls it awesome. Grow some sense of criticism.

R-Zero said:


You're overreacting. Grow some sense of criticism? How about you grow up and stop bashing because things aren't the way you like?
They called it meteors because they appeared above them in the sky. Just because a cannon fodder shinobi call it like that we can't be sure. You even said they were summoned, if they were summoned it's more likely they came from someplace or something Madara prepared in advance to use in his battles. You can similarly summon things, just remember Ten Ten with her weapons.
Not to mention, Madara used that weird Susanoo of his to make the seals for the skill.

Man, this a shounen don't expect every bit, every part of it to be explained mathematically.
Like others mentioned, there are a lot of questions, most of them will probably be explained when Kishimoto address the Madara's and Tobi's relation.
Give it a rest, at least until this whole situation is explained.

niedude said:
What I wanna know is where the meteors came from! Was it a Sharingan ability? Was it a Rinnegan ability? Was it just an unnamed jutsu Madara had his Susanoo use for the rule of Cool?

But back on the summoning issue... How does every character you referenced summon stuff? Ten Ten's weapons are summoned out of ink she keeps pre-drawn on her scrolls, and they appear from those said scrolls. The meteors required Susanoo to do hand signs, for no reason at all other than Rule of Cool (which I can forgive actually, if it weren't for the technique itself to be so... gah)

niedude said:
Not my fault Naruto's hasn't had anything but flaws ever since the Old Tsuchikage turned out to have a very convenient power. I don't want stuff mathematically, I want them logical and well done

niedude said:
And what about Madara's chakra? Susanoo burns through itachi's and sasuke's chakra like a hot knife melts through butter. But Madara's having no problem keeping it up, summoning two meteors on top of each other, and then using Mokuton to tentacle rape 100 Narutos.

niedude said:
While the Kyubi only had enough power to muster something Naruto himself has been shown to be able to do. (if you can't believe me, I refer you all back to the Naruto vs Nine Tails part of the manga, where Naruto conjured up an army of clones, each doing MUCH bigger rasengans)

niedude said:
@Han Yuu: learn some english, and learn to think properly.

Han-yuu said:

Is that the best you can come up with? are you sure? i expected some logical reply. very disappointing.

niedude said:
Honeslt,y I'd come up with one if I could muster the strength to read your posts the amount of times necessary for me to correctly translate it.

niedude said:
Alternatively, I could opt to say: "I would give you a logical comeback, but you wouldn't get it" but I really don't wanna stoop down to petty insults (which I guess I just did. Oh well ~~)
It is also demotivating to know everything I say will just fall on deaf ears. Its not just Narutards, its fanboys in general. I can hammer my point as much as I'd like but you'll just insert the word "awesome" in it, or something, and in your mind my argument will be invalid.
"Never argue with an idiot. They will stoop you down to their level and beat you with experience."
^I guess that is what I've always tried to do by not coming to chapter discussion threads before. I knew I'd get sucked into something like this

Han-yuu said:

Posts? this is my third post in this thread and you didn't understand a single word? Seriously, You need to check your english and not mine. i think you're new to english forums otherwise you must have had seen worst english posts here. English is not my native language and i know it's not perfect but it's pretty much understandable, could it be, you didn't understand sarcasm in my first post?

niedude said:
Alternatively, I could opt to say: "I would give you a logical comeback, but you wouldn't get it" but I really don't wanna stoop down to petty insults (which I guess I just did. Oh well ~~)
It is also demotivating to know everything I say will just fall on deaf ears. Its not just Narutards, its fanboys in general. I can hammer my point as much as I'd like but you'll just insert the word "awesome" in it, or something, and in your mind my argument will be invalid.
"Never argue with an idiot. They will stoop you down to their level and beat you with experience."
^I guess that is what I've always tried to do by not coming to chapter discussion threads before. I knew I'd get sucked into something like this

niedude said:

I never called you an idiot, but if the gloves fit.

niedude said:
Conjuring two meteors one after the other with Susanoo activated like it was nothing is what is illogical. Itachi and Sasuke start shtting bricks everytime they activate Susanoo since that technique burns through chakra, yet badass Madara can do that and summon two meteorites like its nothing. That is what is illogical.

niedude said:
Its not the jutsus themselves that are logical, its how they are used, their effects and their difficulty level, etc. How easy it was to summon those meteors was my main issue, but I am also tremendously curious as to how did Madara summon them. Whether through his own skills, a sharingan technique, or a rinnegan technique.

niedude said:
The Tsuchikage I was talking about was the old one, the one that was ressurected and cloned itself (in what was the least DEM moment of this arc, but that doesnt mean it was a small flaw.)

niedude said:
Because Kisame's chakra level was so rare that it alone was the reason Kisama was in the akatsuki to begin with? Would you seriously be OK if Madara all of a sudden had the chakra level of a tailed beast? WTF?

niedude said:
Nope, not since he left the turtle island, but that is a simple detail. Regardless, The Kyubi's total chakra is said to be nearly infinite. No matter how many times you divide a number that is nearly infinite, it will ALWAYS BE NEARLY INFINITE. And what is illogical here is not that the Kyubi's chakra ran out fast, but that it ran out in a technique that normal naruto, without the Kyubi's chakra, could do with his hands behind his back! Since hes been in 9 tails mode most of the time, both his and the Kyubi's chakra get depleted at the same rate, too. This makes it all seem like Naruto's total chakra is at least CLOSE to the Kyubi's, which is just impossible!

niedude said:
What I want to know is how do you believe anything you say?
Listen, criticizing something you love doesn't make it necessarily bad, nor does it mean you were wrong to love it. On the other hand, it shows that even with all its flaws, you still see how good it is and how much you like it, and thus makes your love stronger! While taking everything that thing you love gives you without questioning just shows pure blindness and makes your love seem meaningless.
This is why I critique, to show that I care!