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Anime_Name said: There's no difference other than the fact that I just find the word Nii-san to be an incredibly annoying word. Oh well can't help you there and your little racist world. Nii-san is the word and brother is the translation of it. Saying one version is way more annoying is fucking ridiculous. If the original used the word "brother" I can imagine people like you bitching about Engrish. I never said Aaron was the best. Wow, getting a little defensive there? Why on earth would I want them to say brother instead? The show was recorded for it's Japanese speaking audience, it doesn't need to be changed. So what if I happen to find watching the series dubbed in English more enjoyable? So what if I'm not fond of some of the Japanese voices? Why is that such a big deal? I never said the dub is superior or that the subs were inferior, only my PERSONAL opinion on the subject. You are more than welcome to disagree with me as I take no issue in people having a different opinion than mine. Opinions aren't facts after all, they can't be right or wrong. However, throwing around names and insults, such as calling someone racist, is entirely uncalled for. |
| Opinions aren't facts but they can be wrong, false, and/or changed on the fly. Don't confuse my questioning of your reason, or lack of, with attacking your ability to express your opinion. No they aren't. Anime with dialogue recorded prior to animation and animated to sync perfectly with the dialogue is extremely rare and has not happened for a single TV anime. Only anime movies do this, and very few of them at that. Akira and Only Yesterday are the only ones I know of. Anime dialogue is recorded before animation, this is called pre-lay and is how anime is produced all the time. How articulate mouth movements are drawn depends on the show but the sync of when mouths stop and start moving is determined by the recorded dialogue. English dubs have to work around that timing and fudge it rather often. |
Anime_NameAug 6, 2011 3:18 PM
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dgraymanfan said: both are good Agreed. But I say more to dub... people need to stop the "subs are always better" shit. It's annoying as hell. But I think it depends on what you started with. If you watched a show subbed for the first time then you probably won't enjoy dubs as much since you won't really adapt to the different voices you are hearing. I just started Brotherhood yesterday and I like the dub better than the sub. I'm not a big fan of Kugimiya or Paku since their voices get annoying after watching so many shows with them. ~so basically start with whatever; Ultimately it doesn't matter_ your still getting the same thing outta both...just with different voice actors. --Don't listen to those fags who say "subs are always better" cause they are wrong. ( I've been watching Baka and Test, and I like the dub way better than the sub ) |
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| Jap dub, english dub sucks and sounds girly like most english dubs for anime |
| Who wouldn't even consider being open enough to watch Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood after watching this? FUCK YEAH!!! |
pressboardshelf said: Anime_Name said: Anime dialogue is recorded before animation, this is called pre-lay and is how anime is produced all the time. How articulate mouth movements are drawn depends on the show but the sync of when mouths stop and start moving is determined by the recorded dialogue. English dubs have to work around that timing and fudge it rather often. I don't know who told you this - but it's wrong. Aside from the rare exceptions, dialogue is recorded afterwards ("afureko") in the production process of anime. This is actually somewhat of a defining characteristic of the Japanese animation process as it gives animators more visual freedom since they are not tied down to matching dialogue that has already been recorded. ed: it appears that there have been some pre-recorded TV series. Red Garden, Kurenai, Koi Kaze, and Mononoke. I don't know who told you that but I see Japanese bonus material all the time with actors doing round-table recording sessions and noting that the recorded dialogue, when complete, gets sent to animation. |
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Oh, I own plenty of FUNi releases, I'm well aware of what they sometimes used to do to their vocalised scripts (the last most major changes made would be to the old Dragon Ball (Z) dub, the most recent extremely-minor-fans-complained-for-no-reason-because-they-think-they're-always-correct change would be Hetalia). You're doing a good job of over-dramatising the whole process though, as well as how often it has happened I just said that their dub scripts would be less accurate than fansubs and that it happens often enough to be expected in a Funimation release. My dramatization was to make light of how much of an apologist you are whenever anything slightly negative, even when it's observably true, about Funimation surfaces. You're also doing a good job of making the original translation and the vocalised script look to be completely separated from each other, which research would show you not to be not true. I never said or implied the two scripts were completely different only that Funimation dub scripts will take more liberties then a fansub would. Good job on showing how well your twist words around. FYI, unless the production is a major production (i.e. Ghibli or another major film), most of the animation is usually completed prior to dialogue recording (not the best source, but it's better than nothing). Flaps are usually then tweaked after the dialogue is completed, in order to sync with the dialogue and the such. Blah blah. Just more smoke getting blown out of your ass but hey you know everything. Whose dialogue are the mouthflaps drawn to match? Japanese or English? Well I say Japanese and the sync is better without needing to play a game of red light green light in order tofiteverythingtheywanttosayin. Every time you intertwine my points with yours, I feel dirty that my posts have to associate with yours. So I will be just responding to you derogatorily from now on in order to save my actual points from being direct responses to you. |
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I think Hayao Miyazaki knows a thing or two about anime.. I'd trust his views! I'd be a little more careful with trusting someone just because one of their opinions coincides with the one of yours. He is also fed up with people reading manga on trains, using cell phones to text, and feels it's disgusting to use an iPad because of the "strange masturbation-like gestures" it needs. So I am going to be ignoring his views because none of them coincide with mine. I pick the distortion of subs over the distortion of dubbing for all my foreign films/shows. So long as the mood, tone, and general meaning are conveyed correctly — there is no problem with even extreme liberties. English and Japanese are very different languages so extreme liberties are preferred, even. Let's not make up a concensus where there is none. There are people that prefer liberal translations and there are people that prefer literal translations. Try reading a modern fansub script aloud — it's laughable. I have a handful of DCTP srts and the dialogue reads just fine. Could some things be worded better? Yeah, but I rather have a grammatically correct translation of what is being said instead of a translator pretending to be a writer/editor and changing things for the better. Before you post popped I was going over fansubs and Funimation subtitles for FMA:Brotherhood episode 1. The biggest differences were spellings of names. Elicia was spelled Elysia(fansubs) and Kimblee was spelled Kimbly(Funimation). Another difference was the fansubs calling the Freezing Alchemist, the Ice Alchemist. All versions had similar punctuation and translation. So where exactly is this "incomprehensible English" you are waving around at? Regardless, most fansubs these days can't get the first step right, which is translating the Japanese correctly. They have no room to even take a single liberty Then I'd have to question your interpretation of 'most' and point out that the ones taking liberty with the translated scripts are not the ones that translated it. So for all accounts it is someone unfamiliar with Japanese just shoehorning Texan flavor into a script as they see fit in order to punch it up. So kindly take your baseless exaggerations and shove them back in the soapbox where you found them. |
Anime_NameAug 7, 2011 2:55 AM
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pressboardshelf said: AnoniMus said: the original is usually better because the speeches (the movement of the mouth) are made for them. No they aren't. Anime with dialogue recorded prior to animation and animated to sync perfectly with the dialogue is extremely rare and has not happened for a single TV anime. Only anime movies do this, and very few of them at that. Akira and Only Yesterday are the only ones I know of. Other than those exceptions, the show/movie is animated first and the Japanese voiceactors have to match their mouthflaps just like dub voiceactors do. Yeah I know, I saw a video how they make One Piece, they show the anime while they are in a room saying their speeches. However the dialogue is made beforehand so they know more or less what to do and then the voice actors talk accordingly, but the dialogue is made for Japanese language and not English. There is an interview to the Portuguese dubbers of DBZ and they say that some of the jokes they made in the dialogue was because the character in the anime was still moving its mouth when the Portuguese VA already ended the sentence. Of course they were kind of amateurs and had less information, but still it's a problem. |
That's nice. Whatever makes you feel better about yourself, bro. Saves time. lolz changing irrelevant(subjective shuffling) to differ from the translation is a-ok and is just as accurate(the point) as a real translation. Looks like shitty conflicting nonsense. Funimation has always been a crap dubber just a tier ahead of 4kids. Pioneer/Geneon leaving the market only gave Funi market-share, it didn't improve their quality. |
Anime_NameAug 9, 2011 3:54 AM
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| The dub is definitely better, so happy I never switched to the subs. |
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Toddler_Naruto said: The dub is definitely better, so happy I never switched to the subs. Better is comparative. So never switching to the subs means you are not comparing. |
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| I watched the first series of Fullmetal Alchemist dubbed, so I just automatically kept going into Brotherhood doing the same thing. Though I have watched a couple of episodes subbed as well. I like them both, could watch the show either way. Or, you know, you could watch it subbed and then watch it dubbed afterward every episode. That's what I did for the very first episode of the first series to help make up my mind. And I decided I heard Vic Mignogna more often as Edward on TV and such before I seriously dedicated the time to watch the series, so I decided to watch it dubbed in the end. There are some characters I like to hear in Japanese over their dub counterparts sometimes, but really, it's a tough call, I think you're good with either one. But yeah, if you watched the first series dubbed, I don't see why you'd wanna switch up, unless you are in the mood for subtitles and hearing Japanese rather than English. *shrug* I've done that before too, no biggie. |
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Onibokusu said: Anime_Name said: Funimation has always been a crap dubber just a tier ahead of 4kids. Pioneer/Geneon leaving the market only gave Funi market-share, it didn't improve their quality. Nice job presenting opinion as fact. Huh no. |
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| I am going to watch the dub here someday. But I am such a huge fan of Romi Paku so I'm probably to biased to talk about which version you choose. The sub is still amazing, that is all. |
| I realize this is quite an old topic, but I have been wanting to rewatch brotherhood for a while now and spent a bit of time watching the first 3 episodes in both dub and sub right after the other so that I could decide which one I thought was more enjoyable to listen to. I had watched the full series twice before, once dubbed and the other subbed, but I feel on my third go the dubbed is superior than the subbed. Neither one is objectively better than the other, but there are some aspects you can clearly state with confidence in its accuracy. Subs are almost always going to be better than dubs because subs are voice-acted in the language it was originally written. You have the director of the studio helping the voice actors convey the atmosphere he is envisioning, and there are a lot of allusions and motifs engrained in the culture that are portrayed in the subbed adaptation. When you dub these series, a lot of the cultural references and atmosphere is lost, which makes the subs (even if you don't understand the language) feel much more organic and fluid. Because of this, the Japanese dub has better flow between lines than the English counterpart among most of the characters. However, the English dub has a lot going for it too over the Japanese version. One of the things I think makes or breaks the sub or dub is the main characters, Ed and Al. For me, and maybe it's a bias from hearing it first, Ed's English voice is superior to Ed's Japanese voice. English Ed has a decent serious voice and a fantastic comedic/angry voice, while the Japanese Ed has a very good serious voice and a very high pitched comedic/angry voice. It reminds me a bit of Japanese and English Goku. Some people like the high pitched voice. I for one, do not. Al is fairly even in both English and Japanese. The rest of the English cast is decent, and in some places outshines the sub, in both atmosphere and actual content (that is, I feel the English version is more precise or to the point in some statements that the Japanese subs and makes the situation easier to understand.), but overall, the Japanese cast is superior to the English cast. However, Because I enjoy Ed's English voice over his Japanese one, the dub comes out just barely on top for me. Really though, Watching either one will still yield a great experience. They are both almost equal, so there's no real wrong decision here. Even if you ended up watched the version you thought was inferior to the other, it won't really take much away from the experience. |
| Subbed is better although the dub was pretty good as well. I watched both but subbed is the way to go. |
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| DUB -- if there is any series where you should watch the dub, it's FMA. If you are a troll who only ever watches sub, fine but adsflajogafd *fart* /thread |
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| I know this a old post thread but I prefer sub because I usually watch animes with english sub. I watched a few episodes of FMA Brotherhood with english dub and it was good however Romi Paku's version of Ed is so many times better than Vic Mignogna's and not just Ed, mostly each character fits the Japanese much better than English. At the end it's your choice and think FMA Brotherhood is amazing either way, sub or dub :) |
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| I watched it Dubbed. =) |
| ALWAYS SUB. |
| Dub = fake crap. Always. |
| Most of the times authors choose the staff for the anime adaptation, so probably she chose Rie and Romi for Al and Ed voices respectively. They are both kids, they have to sound like ones, I don't see a more accurate voices for them other than these two. I always watch the original version, I love Japanese voice actors for anime (For me they are always the best in this case), I can't stand an anime character being voiced by an american or whatever other country , it just doesn't feel right to me). I'm not hating on english, I like to my watch american movies in english. I really can't understand the people who prefer a dub over the original voices, it just doesn't make sense to me. Probably because they are americans they like it. |
| I prefer it dubbed |
| FMAB has one of the best anime dub's ever made so I really suggest the dub you can really feel the emotion and everything. |
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AnoniMus said: Sub. 99% of the times sub is better. |
| I will always watch it subbed, there's only few animes that I would watch dubbed and it's because it's a part of my childhood, when internet was not popular... |
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