| Seems like the prudes don't but what about y'all? |
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Reply to Animeunderrated
Kindly shut up please
| @Animeunderrated No thank you, my kind sir. |
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| If you think getting uncomfortable with kinda creepy and cringe antics of MC I can be considered prude myself. That's coming from someone who don't have much problem with ecchi, Harem |
| Not seeing anything problematic, but if people find it offensive they're always free to gtfo. |
| "Well, she's flatter than a pancake" -Mimi Alpacas "Woof" -Tobiichi Origami "Are you trying to turn the dormitory into a strip club!?! -Atena Saotome |
| it's not like i "like" i just dont rlly care its fiction. tho the age gap scenes are FUCKED i cant stand when an anime tends to the pedo audience... |
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Yes, I like it, it’s how it should be ๐ |
Reply to Animaticide
I like that they are included as thematic keys to the story because it makes the path towards the growth of a POS MC more interesting. People are generally scum inside and I find that the fellas that like to complain about these things in fiction are either severely damaged or total hypocrites themselves because it takes a decent degree of self-projection and a great lack of media literacy to be able to insert their own values from a simple spectator's seat, in which case they should stay away from any story that delves into gray morality (or anything that has a villain in it for that matter).
Virtue-signaling is such a vitriolic waste of time in modern media discourse. It literally adds nothing of value.
What many audiences fail to realize is that you do not HAVE to like the characters as if they were real people you would have to interact with, nor do you have to agree with their actions for them to be acceptably written to you. Characters aren't people, they are just plot devices. All they really have to be is consistent and serve as metaphorical conduits for the point that the author intends to make about them. And, oftentimes, failing to observe them from that perspective reveals more about your ability (or lack thereof) to emphatize with experiences foreign/unknown to you than the characters themselves.
After all, stories are a safe place from which we can explore difficult situations, flawed personality traits, and irreversible mistakes being made by stand-in imaginary characters. Nothing more. Even tragedies and sad endings serve this very purpose the same way.
AKA, you don't have to agree, you don't have to self-insert, you don't have to identify yourself with the characters, nor do you have to like and think about them as parasocial "friends"; that's what children do.
You just have to sympathize. Observe. Analyze. Allow yourself to be moved if you must. Understand the piece for what it is. And then move on.
The fact that this even has to be said so often about goddamned drawings is what's truly "problematic" in my opinion. Critical thinking in the separation of real-life and fiction is a lost skill.
Virtue-signaling is such a vitriolic waste of time in modern media discourse. It literally adds nothing of value.
What many audiences fail to realize is that you do not HAVE to like the characters as if they were real people you would have to interact with, nor do you have to agree with their actions for them to be acceptably written to you. Characters aren't people, they are just plot devices. All they really have to be is consistent and serve as metaphorical conduits for the point that the author intends to make about them. And, oftentimes, failing to observe them from that perspective reveals more about your ability (or lack thereof) to emphatize with experiences foreign/unknown to you than the characters themselves.
After all, stories are a safe place from which we can explore difficult situations, flawed personality traits, and irreversible mistakes being made by stand-in imaginary characters. Nothing more. Even tragedies and sad endings serve this very purpose the same way.
AKA, you don't have to agree, you don't have to self-insert, you don't have to identify yourself with the characters, nor do you have to like and think about them as parasocial "friends"; that's what children do.
You just have to sympathize. Observe. Analyze. Allow yourself to be moved if you must. Understand the piece for what it is. And then move on.
The fact that this even has to be said so often about goddamned drawings is what's truly "problematic" in my opinion. Critical thinking in the separation of real-life and fiction is a lost skill.
| @Animaticide The criticism is less about the problematic elements of the story on themselves, and moreso about how they are handled by the overarching character progression. His biggest, most fatal flaws are never addressed as such, and are promptly used as comic relief, and basically rewarded as the narrative goes on. Canonical pedophile main character dies after being kicked out while watching (homemade by himself in the WN) CP during his parents' funeral? What if he then gets send to another world (still stating himself to be a grown/old man in several instances even while lusting for kids), choose to make that a second chance to be better, and then proceed to creep on, groom and sexually assault little girls from 7 to 12 years of age, and one of those "barely entering his strike zone" when they were 12 (and had sex with her not long after, when she was 15, because all that "quotidian sexual harassment" grooming made her decide to thank him with her virginity, because of course). If you are not aware on how this will go, there will be no consequences nor even anything addressing this entire thing: It's funny how OP goes to imply it's people being "puritan", when the criticism is more about how hypocritical, tone deaf and thematically flawed with the very premise this is (and it's a central element within the entire plot from start to end that just goes by as if it was your usual otaku harem wish fullfilment plot). I don't care if the protagonist is a pedophile or a terrible human being, I can live with that. In fact, I'd say I WELCOME problematic protagonists, those can be super interesting. But when you are going for the push of sympathizing with the character, it's impossible to ignore these things like the author did, that's where one draws a line, it's just incredibly dishonest with the premise. He basically rewards his flaws in a redemption story in every turn when it comes to the harem elements, and that has been a criticism that got so heated even amongst the hardcore japanese fans that when he repeated the worst case and made a parallel in an extra short story with a similar development with a certain member of Rudeus family (directly paralelling his own sexual crimes with his niece in the beginning of the WN), even them loudly voiced complains to the point that the author deleted said sequel extra chapter and apologized. Yeah, I'd say it's a problem with the author being very inconsistent with how he develops Rudeus and selectively chooses to minimize his most negative perverted traits even within narrative for the sake of the harem reward element (read his diary even as late as in volume 26, he still does so quite directly even at the very end of the story). You can reach that very conclusion by actually "observing, analyzing, understanding the piece for what it is", in your own words. |
DanpmssApr 30, 2:00 AM
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| Yes that’s a big part of why it’s so popular anyway and yes, I love all the “problematic” shit it’s hot |
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Reply to SweatyFingers
im not very good in English so can anyone explain why everyone is mad at this post?
| @SweatyFingers because of prudes trying to gatekeep anime, unfortunately. |
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Reply to SweatyFingers
i still dont get it ๐
| @SweatyFingers Me neither. Like, if they don't like pervy humor, maybe they shouldn't watch the show? |
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GoatPieceLuffy said: @SweatyFingers Me neither. Like, if they don't like pervy humor, maybe they shouldn't watch the show? Chotto Matta kudasai. There was humour? |
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