future KnK movies similar to this first one? (spoilers maybe)

yoru987 said:
I guess my question is whether the concepts and atmosphere set up in the first movie will be brought up again in the later movies.

yoru987 said:
I know movie 5 is supposed to bring everything together or so I heard, but I am feeling slightly doubtful about the direction they are going to take.

Alexioos95 said:


The concepts are individual to each Movie , so no , they won't talk about it again.

But the overall atmosphere is the same in all of them.
It's even what Fukan Fuukei is used for : Presenting the atmosphere and general tone of the franchise to the viewer.



Basically , Movie 1 and 3 seems to cover some stand-alone investigation cases , but they are linked to Movie 5. Same for Movie 6 & 7.
Did you wonder how the characters got their supernatural abilities ? Well that's how they are linked together.

That's all.

Dunno what you don't like , but with each Movie answering a question or at the very least throwing hints about the 2 main characters , i don't think it's a good sign that your score decrease the further you go. And actually , if you are not interested in the characters , you will find Movie 4 , 6 & 7 very bad , as their whole premise is about the main characters themselves...

yoru987 said:
I guess I am finding it hard to move along with the series because I’m not invested in either of the 2 main characters.

Alexioos95 said:


Ah... I'd suggest to drop then...

The whole story is heavily character and mystery-driven , especially around Shiki. (Kokuto is more sidelined , aside from Movie 2 & 7)

If you are not invested (or atleast interested) in her killing streak of Movie 2 and her relationship with Kokuto , there is no point to continue.
The whole work is about that , after all.

Movie 5 has a strong psychological theme that is well developed (for 2 hours) , and that's why he's so much well liked by fans , but that's all you'll find... (So you could try to watch it)

That's the style of Nasu : Character-driven stories , with a slow-burn mystery and a mystical setting.

yoru987 said:
I don't usually resort to forum questions to determine whether I should continue watching a series, but this time around I really am quite confused.

I watched the first three Kara no Kyoukai movies and gave them each a 7, 6, and 5 respectively. The first movie introduced the flying/floating dichotomy which I found really interesting, but was not built upon in the next couple movies which made me think it is a movie 1 exclusive concept. The second and third movies were alright but I felt increasingly uninterested and detached from them. At the end of both I really found myself feeling not much of anything apart from some slight annoyance towards the 3rd one.

I guess my question is whether the concepts and atmosphere set up in the first movie will be brought up again in the later movies. I know movie 5 is supposed to bring everything together or so I heard, but I am feeling slightly doubtful about the direction they are going to take. I know I am kind of asking for spoilers, so feel free to lightly spoil me if needed.

I am also curious if anyone has similar experiences to share or if you've felt similarly alienated by this series and, unlike me, can pinpoint what caused this feeling of detachment for you.

Thanks

kizumi91 said:
The fifth movie is the direct sequel in chronological order and also the closest thing to the first movie. Since you have Gits and Perfect Blue on your fav list, you're probably gonna like it.

PolarisCordelia said:
In my case was completely different. The first one was good but just that, the second one was better in my opinion, but the third one sold me out completely the franchise, and thank God, cuz Spiral paradox, the fifth one is one of my favorite anime movies of all time.

I recommend you to drop it then, I don't think you're going to like the rest either if you don't feel interested in the characters by now. It's fine tho, there's a lot of other shows you could be watching instead and KnK takes some time to watch.

yoru987 said:
I ended up watching the 4th and 5th movies partly because of your reference to gits and perfect blue and while I definitely see where you were coming from, I think the resemblance had to do more with form rather than substance :)))) which is not a bad thing in itself, it just made it clear for me that I don’t connect with the worldview of kara no kyoukai or the philosophy of its characters. I did enjoy the watch though, so thanks for the suggestion!!

kizumi91 said:
It's fine, every people has their own opinions. Btw, I think the 5th and gits partially do share some similar concepts and explore themes like transhumanism, free will, reality, identity. The resemblances here are somewhat subtle and hard to recognize due to the different approaches, Gits is sci-fi and KnK is supernatural fantasy. In Gits, the puppet master wants to merge with the major in order to attain a higher form of existence; In KnK 5th, the main villain Araya wants Shiki's body in order to reach the Root. In Gits, it literally questions if technology can produce a ghost then are humans ourselves original after all; in KnK 5th, the MC Enjou is revealed to be a puppet of his original self and everything about him is fabricated even his feelings towards Shiki, thus also raises a question whether he has volition in the first place to act independently.

yoru987 said:
Yeah, I recognized the similarities you mentioned since I was already expecting there to be some, but I guess I referred to them as similarities that have to do with form rather than substance because while they do play out similarly to gits, they are not explored in depth due to the fact that, as you said, Kara no kyoukai is a fantasy mystery series and not a sci-fi. Again, I don’t think that’s a bad thing at all, but I’d say movie 5 ‘presents’ the problem of free will and the concept of personal transcendence or achieving god-hood, while gits ‘explores’ those concepts. For paradox spiral they were more like plot points than thematical explorations, at least to me. Either way, that’s how I saw it, at least.

kizumi91 said:
Ok, I understand your point but let's just saying sci-fi is fiction at the end of the day. When it comes to philosophy, sci-fi and supernatural are just two sides of the same coin, and being a fantasy supernatural doesn't prevent it from being less profound than or inferior to sci-fi.

yoru987 said:
Yea, that’s fair, I wouldn’t generalize and say all sci-fi is more profound than fantasy. I think it’s more of an empirical observation that when it comes to the themes of free will and transcendence, gits provides a more in depth exploration, whereas movie 5 uses it as a plot point and chooses to focus more on character drama.
Still, I would say sci-fi as a genre tends to be (at its best at least) one of the most profound genres, both in and outside of anime, due to its exploration of the limits of humanity and technology. So that’s what my previous point about gits being a scifi was based on.

Zane_0 said:
KNK imo is best to watch chronologically

Zane_0 said:
and the remix movies are fun