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Jul 23, 2023 8:44 AM
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I don't like how depraved and morally wrong his actions are. Everyone says this is a fantasy setting and whatnot but I will say this: I can be realistic according to the age of setting of the show, but it being realistic doesn't make it likeable, atleast for me.

Still I can't stop watching it because apart from rudeus, everything else is nice enough to keep me engaged.

But I think the show is just focusing on wrong things for way too long now. What I want to see is dragon god and human god beef, others from top 7 strongest people, laplace and the demon war, the reincarnated demon king in little girl and her backstory. But what I see is 15 episodes of Rudeus looking for his family after mana calamity and railing girls on the way. That too when we know nothing about the cause of mana calamity.

I would have appreciated if we had more of that and less of what we are having now but I think that's just me and everyone is just enjoying everything considering how high it is rated.

Feel free to point out any bad points / fallacies in what I had to say. I would appreciate if everyone could attack my argument if you didn't like it rather than attacking me personally.
Jul 23, 2023 8:50 AM
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You are absolutely not supposed to relate to him, but reflect upon.
If you think otherwise, you are doing something wrong.

Jul 23, 2023 8:52 AM
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Stuff like that will be more relevant later on when the timing makes more sense.
Jul 23, 2023 8:55 AM
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I hate Rudeus but I can't stop watching
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Jul 23, 2023 8:56 AM
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BassMax said:
But I think the show is just focusing on wrong things for way too long now. What I want to see is dragon god and human god beef, others from top 7 strongest people, laplace and the demon war, the reincarnated demon king in little girl and her backstory. But what I see is 15 episodes of Rudeus looking for his family after mana calamity and railing girls on the way. That too when we know nothing about the cause of mana calamity.
You gotta wait for answers. They aren't gonna answer everything in just one season. Things are building up and they'll slowly reveal stuff and u'll be able to piece things together with more information. Mushoku tensei's world building is one of the best and the story/plot is amazing. For now let's just say everything u mentioned will happen. You just have to wait for it.
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Rudeus was never meant to be good person in the first place. He literally masterbated during his parents' funeral watching loli porn.

It's a story about a bad person turning good and that haven't happened yet.
Jul 23, 2023 8:58 AM
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Rudeus is a kid, speaking realistically adults aren't going to take him super seriously or introduce him to big lore drops. He's also immature, even his past consciousness is immature, and he seems to not really care about the background of the world thus far. As a novel reader there is a tonal shift coming at some point that increases the amount of lore on offer and might make you happy, although it's not in Season 2 omegalul. 
Jul 23, 2023 9:04 AM
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Rudeus doesn't have a good character writing because he's actually good as a character. He has a good character writing because he has a really good character development, from bullied, desperate man, into young cheerful child, to down depressed teen. He's just a character you really can relate to at one point of your life. He won't be like Askelaad or Eren, he's just an ordinary pervert who tries to move on and start over from his miserable life before
Jul 23, 2023 9:04 AM
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Its interesting to watch character overcome challenges and struggles, even if watching the character is a challenge by itself
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Lmao after watching ep 3 I feel bad for the man
Jul 23, 2023 9:08 AM
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MegamiRem said:
BassMax said:
But I think the show is just focusing on wrong things for way too long now. What I want to see is dragon god and human god beef, others from top 7 strongest people, laplace and the demon war, the reincarnated demon king in little girl and her backstory. But what I see is 15 episodes of Rudeus looking for his family after mana calamity and railing girls on the way. That too when we know nothing about the cause of mana calamity.
You gotta wait for answers. They aren't gonna answer everything in just one season. Things are building up and they'll slowly reveal stuff and u'll be able to piece things together with more information. Mushoku tensei's world building is one of the best and the story/plot is amazing. For now let's just say everything u mentioned will happen. You just have to wait for it.

Oh, right. Perhaps the main problem is just with my patience and not with the story? I just hope the it will be worth the while.
Jul 23, 2023 9:11 AM
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Balisong98 said:
Rudeus is a kid, speaking realistically adults aren't going to take him super seriously or introduce him to big lore drops. He's also immature, even his past consciousness is immature, and he seems to not really care about the background of the world thus far. As a novel reader there is a tonal shift coming at some point that increases the amount of lore on offer and might make you happy, although it's not in Season 2 omegalul. 

Then it seems I have a long way to go till I get what I want to see.
Jul 23, 2023 9:15 AM
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CuriouSniff said:
Rudeus doesn't have a good character writing because he's actually good as a character. He has a good character writing because he has a really good character development, from bullied, desperate man, into young cheerful child, to down depressed teen. He's just a character you really can relate to at one point of your life. He won't be like Askelaad or Eren, he's just an ordinary pervert who tries to move on and start over from his miserable life before

Yet I am still waiting on the bad turning good part for a good while. I hope that either it is just on the horizon or I am just oblivious to it happening right now.
Jul 23, 2023 9:18 AM
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you gotta wait a while buddy
Jul 23, 2023 9:25 AM
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I hate Rudeus but I can't stop watching
Don't worry. Rent a Girlfriend fans agree with you.
This made me laugh and your profile picture made this comment even better. 

But I can understand what OP says. Rudeus is ok as a character. But I guess he is one of the most realistic isekai characters because he is not a perfect person and he struggels a little bit with his past life. But I still wonder what will happen to him. 
Jul 23, 2023 9:26 AM
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Rudeus is trash, but today's episode shows karma is a bitc...
Jul 23, 2023 9:27 AM

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BassMax said:
I don't like how depraved and morally wrong his actions are. Everyone says this is a fantasy setting and whatnot but I will say this: I can be realistic according to the age of setting of the show, but it being realistic doesn't make it likeable, atleast for me.

Still I can't stop watching it because apart from rudeus, everything else is nice enough to keep me engaged.

But I think the show is just focusing on wrong things for way too long now. What I want to see is dragon god and human god beef, others from top 7 strongest people, laplace and the demon war, the reincarnated demon king in little girl and her backstory. But what I see is 15 episodes of Rudeus looking for his family after mana calamity and railing girls on the way. That too when we know nothing about the cause of mana calamity.

I would have appreciated if we had more of that and less of what we are having now but I think that's just me and everyone is just enjoying everything considering how high it is rated.

Feel free to point out any bad points / fallacies in what I had to say. I would appreciate if everyone could attack my argument if you didn't like it rather than attacking me personally.
This show is not a Battle shounen, if this is what your expecting from the story I'll tell you right now you will be bitterly disappointed, it's mostly a SoL but with adventure and action here and there.
Jul 23, 2023 9:30 AM

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Jul 23, 2023 9:34 AM
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Lmao after watching ep 3 I feel bad for the man

Can't argue with that. The guy is just getting kicked down just when he stands back up.
Jul 23, 2023 9:39 AM
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dabdabgoose said:
BassMax said:
I don't like how depraved and morally wrong his actions are. Everyone says this is a fantasy setting and whatnot but I will say this: I can be realistic according to the age of setting of the show, but it being realistic doesn't make it likeable, atleast for me.

Still I can't stop watching it because apart from rudeus, everything else is nice enough to keep me engaged.

But I think the show is just focusing on wrong things for way too long now. What I want to see is dragon god and human god beef, others from top 7 strongest people, laplace and the demon war, the reincarnated demon king in little girl and her backstory. But what I see is 15 episodes of Rudeus looking for his family after mana calamity and railing girls on the way. That too when we know nothing about the cause of mana calamity.

I would have appreciated if we had more of that and less of what we are having now but I think that's just me and everyone is just enjoying everything considering how high it is rated.

Feel free to point out any bad points / fallacies in what I had to say. I would appreciate if everyone could attack my argument if you didn't like it rather than attacking me personally.
This show is not a Battle shounen, if this is what your expecting from the story I'll tell you right now you will be bitterly disappointed, it's mostly a SoL but with adventure and action here and there.

So ultimately, if that's what I look for, I should just drop the anime?
Jul 23, 2023 9:43 AM

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BassMax said:
dabdabgoose said:
This show is not a Battle shounen, if this is what your expecting from the story I'll tell you right now you will be bitterly disappointed, it's mostly a SoL but with adventure and action here and there.

So ultimately, if that's what I look for, I should just drop the anime?
Pretty much, it's definitely something different entirely as a whole, it has action and has adventure don't get me wrong, but it's not the majority of it, especially this season, last season and next season on the other hand are majority Adventure.
Jul 23, 2023 9:50 AM
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dabdabgoose said:
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So ultimately, if that's what I look for, I should just drop the anime?
Pretty much, it's definitely something different entirely as a whole, it has action and has adventure don't get me wrong, but it's not the majority of it, especially this season, last season and next season on the other hand are majority Adventure.

Alright, thanks. I will just read the manga or LN to blitz through to find out what I am looking for.
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BassMax said:
dabdabgoose said:
This show is not a Battle shounen, if this is what your expecting from the story I'll tell you right now you will be bitterly disappointed, it's mostly a SoL but with adventure and action here and there.

So ultimately, if that's what I look for, I should just drop the anime?
We are spectators to other people creations. Personally I love the variety and I usually like when those creations defy my expectations. We're free to choose between hundreds of anime options. We can watch and enjoy, or drop, or keep watching with a mix of enjoyment and disgust while desiring that it'd be different.  In the end, the content is there, watching or not is a personal choice.
Jul 23, 2023 10:13 AM

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are you a   Tsundere
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are you a   Tsundere

I will be honest, even after watching so much anime, I don't fully understand its meaning. If it means that I what i say is exactly opposite of how I feel, then I don't think so.

The only reason I don't stop watching is everyone telling me that it is peak isekai and also me being interested in points mentioned in the post, which aren't explored as much as I would like them to be.
Jul 23, 2023 10:20 AM

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I like the drama but I don't really like any of the characters. So no matter what happens I don't care as long as I'm entertained.

Rudeus himself is probably my least favorite. I don't like him at all. But I think that's because he's not the type of character who should be relatable. At least not completely. If you think you unironically relate to him, you should seek help.
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Soolpp said:
EviL_GriN said:
are you a   Tsundere

I think masochist is the word you are looking for.

I want to argue, but I can't find the fallacy in your deduction.
Jul 23, 2023 10:22 AM
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I like the drama but I don't really like any of the characters. So no matter what happens I don't care as long as I'm entertained.

Rudeus himself is probably my least favorite. I don't like him at all. But I think that's because he's not the type of character who should be relatable. At least not completely. If you think you unironically relate to him, you should seek help.

Maybe I am the same. I like the show but not the characters.
Jul 23, 2023 10:22 AM
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Welcome to like 40% of anime were unlikable protagonists are everywhere
Jul 23, 2023 10:28 AM
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Pathetic characters are the best. Rudeus is pretty up there in depravity. You'll need to a microscope to analyze what exactly is wrong with him lmaooooo.
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mshfqtny said:
Rudeus was never meant to be good person in the first place. He literally masterbated during his parents' funeral watching loli porn.

It's a story about a bad person turning good and that haven't happened yet.

LMAO loli porn I'm ded
Jul 23, 2023 10:31 AM
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not reading and no one cares

And yet you care enough to comment ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Jul 23, 2023 10:45 AM
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ever heard about death note? very popular one,the mc is straitght up mass murderer maniac with god complex,u know how many ppl like the show and keep watching? hell even fanboying to him,so yeah just because the mc is not some "hero/good person with angelic heart" doesnt meant the show is bad.
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BassMax said:
I don't like how depraved and morally wrong his actions are. Everyone says this is a fantasy setting and whatnot but I will say this: I can be realistic according to the age of setting of the show, but it being realistic doesn't make it likeable, atleast for me.

Still I can't stop watching it because apart from rudeus, everything else is nice enough to keep me engaged.

But I think the show is just focusing on wrong things for way too long now. What I want to see is dragon god and human god beef, others from top 7 strongest people, laplace and the demon war, the reincarnated demon king in little girl and her backstory. But what I see is 15 episodes of Rudeus looking for his family after mana calamity and railing girls on the way. That too when we know nothing about the cause of mana calamity.

I would have appreciated if we had more of that and less of what we are having now but I think that's just me and everyone is just enjoying everything considering how high it is rated.

Feel free to point out any bad points / fallacies in what I had to say. I would appreciate if everyone could attack my argument if you didn't like it rather than attacking me personally.

I agree with you. I think the story could be made better if Rudeus wasnt even in at and it focused on multiple people's perspective of the world. The teleport thing is what would tie everyone together.
Jul 23, 2023 6:08 PM
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"Railing girls along the way?" In 28 episodes, Rudeus has slept with 1 person, and there wasn't anything remotely close to railing.

The things you want to see seem to be about lore and battles which is common for fantasy settings, but while this is a fantasy setting it is a story about a person's personal efforts to improve. No matter how nice the magic and the fights are, it's still about Rudeus' growth. All the other things are secondary. You're not at fault for wanting it, you're just looking for what you want in the wrong place.
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mshfqtny said:
Rudeus was never meant to be good person in the first place. He literally masterbated during his parents' funeral watching loli porn.

It's a story about a bad person turning good and that haven't happened yet.
It's really not. It's about a tragic character getting a second chance at life, and you're not supposed to take the loli shit literally, it's just fanservice. 
If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that.
Jul 23, 2023 6:37 PM

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He's not even that bad in the new season, the most "perverted" thing he did was coping a feel on Sara, and it was probably an accident anyway
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BassMax said:
I don't like how depraved and morally wrong his actions are. Everyone says this is a fantasy setting and whatnot but I will say this: I can be realistic according to the age of setting of the show, but it being realistic doesn't make it likeable, atleast for me.

Still I can't stop watching it because apart from rudeus, everything else is nice enough to keep me engaged.

But I think the show is just focusing on wrong things for way too long now. What I want to see is dragon god and human god beef, others from top 7 strongest people, laplace and the demon war, the reincarnated demon king in little girl and her backstory. But what I see is 15 episodes of Rudeus looking for his family after mana calamity and railing girls on the way. That too when we know nothing about the cause of mana calamity.

I would have appreciated if we had more of that and less of what we are having now but I think that's just me and everyone is just enjoying everything considering how high it is rated.

Feel free to point out any bad points / fallacies in what I had to say. I would appreciate if everyone could attack my argument if you didn't like it rather than attacking me personally.

Bro thinks he’s watching your average shonen
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LostSpectre said:
mshfqtny said:
Rudeus was never meant to be good person in the first place. He literally masterbated during his parents' funeral watching loli porn.

It's a story about a bad person turning good and that haven't happened yet.
It's really not. It's about a tragic character getting a second chance at life, and you're not supposed to take the loli shit literally, it's just fanservice. 
It's funny how some viewers who are this far into the series are still hyperfixated on one detail that doesn't really relate to the rest of the series. Like wtf the train for that conversation is long gone in season 2 now.
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Eifue said:
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It's really not. It's about a tragic character getting a second chance at life, and you're not supposed to take the loli shit literally, it's just fanservice. 
It's funny how some viewers who are this far into the series are still hyperfixated on one detail that doesn't really relate to the rest of the series. Like wtf the train for that conversation is long gone in season 2 now.
Well, there's this common misconception that Rudy is an objectively bad person that you're supposed to hate, and him doing "pedo stuff" is apparently supposed to have narrative significance by way of reinforcing this. Except, that's pretty much nonsense. There's lolicon content because the author wanted to include elements from eroge games, and all of those scenes are basically comedic or fanservice related, they're not meant to be taken seriously, so using them as evidence that he's human scum, is just stupid. It's also idiotic how many people view him as a "50 year old man" as if he doesn't currently possess a child's brain, and like he wasn't highly emotionally stunted to begin with. The story is not about his redemption at all, it's about his salvation, but life isn't easy, he'll have to face the sort of hardships that he hid himself away from in his past life.
If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that.
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Lmao after watching ep 3 I feel bad for the man

Can't argue with that. The guy is just getting kicked down just when he stands back up.

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this is Exactly how i feel. i like it but also i dont but also i do......
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LostSpectre said:
Eifue said:
It's funny how some viewers who are this far into the series are still hyperfixated on one detail that doesn't really relate to the rest of the series. Like wtf the train for that conversation is long gone in season 2 now.
Well, there's this common misconception that Rudy is an objectively bad person that you're supposed to hate, and him doing "pedo stuff" is apparently supposed to have narrative significance by way of reinforcing this. Except, that's pretty much nonsense. There's lolicon content because the author wanted to include elements from eroge games, and all of those scenes are basically comedic or fanservice related, they're not meant to be taken seriously, so using them as evidence that he's human scum, is just stupid. It's also idiotic how many people view him as a "50 year old man" as if he doesn't currently possess a child's brain, and like he wasn't highly emotionally stunted to begin with. The story is not about his redemption at all, it's about his salvation, but life isn't easy, he'll have to face the sort of hardships that he hid himself away from in his past life.
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Personally, I can't help but view him as a very smart yet very stupid kid. Not to justify the things he has done however I like seeing how he seems to be slowly growing up. 
In his last life he probably was never able to grow up. You can tell by the dumb things he does that he almost is a child mentally. This Isekai is almost like a second chance for him to grow up. But not an easy one. 
Honestly, Rudeus feels more "real" than most other isekai protags which only show the best sides of an adventure. 

I wont tell you to like him or forgive him, you honestly don't even need to give him a chance if you don't want to. But I wanted to share why I think this show illustrates that people aren't born perfect and often start out full of flaws (and more so in the case of Rudeus who has extra baggage from his previous life). I can't help but watch as Rudeus continues to learn the lessons of life he never experienced when he was held up in his room.

I hope he continues to learn from his mistakes and gain the will to move on. I am sure this won't be the last mistake he makes.

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