chains607 said: why johan is so overrated? i dont get it, like everyone praising him like a god but i dont get it yes we know johan is so smart but we dont see know anything about him yes he is the one who rob the bank yes he is the one who manipulates everyone yes he is the one who knows every single detail about every character, but we dont even see him when he doing these things? let me give an example; kira he is one of the best villian in the whole anime series we know he is manipulative and smart cause were watching him while doing these things so we can praise him like that but we dont see anything about johan, he is the one who always in the center of the topic but we dont dont see anything about it everyone calls him a mega mind but there is nothing that makes him mega mind? johan robs the bank "yeah he is so smart he can do it" I DONT GET IT you don't get it do you? I mean this show isn't like Death Note it's adult cast series you need to know different between these two first . . . in shonens they explain their every single move so that kids like not will create threads asking everything but adults can easily understand what happened with slight info . . . |
El_Professor07Oct 19, 2022 12:37 AM
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| Because most of the monster fans or seinen fans in general are NPC. They have sheep mindset, they reapeat the same lie which they read on reddit or quora (example the guy who posted quora link). "muh monster is deep, philosophical, Johan is realistic....yada yada...." They don't even understand a character such as Johan can't be realistic Ahmed_Elheddaji said: Okay zoomer...how about you read this: https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Johan-Liebert-considered-to-be-the-best-villain-in-anime-ever/answer/Erwin-224?ch=15&oid=262362675&share=cda1518e&target_type=answerhttps://www.quora.com/Why-is-Johan-Liebert-considered-to-be-the-best-villain-in-anime-ever |
DaOnePieceIsRealOct 18, 2022 11:07 PM
| To put it simply, I think the real problem here is that you watch too much shounen. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
| Mate, you don't go and say "pizza sucks bcoz it's not like hamburger". The same with anime. To each their own ways. "X" DOESN'T HAVE to be like "Y" or vice versa. |
Ahmed_Elheddaji said: i think what makes johan really good as character is the fact how realistic the series is. the possibility that the stuff that johan does could be done in real life makes it really scary and just makes johan a great character. there's good answers in this thread: https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Johan-Liebert-considered-to-be-the-best-villain-in-anime-ever I disagree with that Quora post. To me, to be a great villain, he/she needs to have the following: 1) Intimidating enough to make the audience doubt the protagonist can beat him/her. 2) Have a great background story to understand how he/she becomes a villain. 3) Has a motive strong enough that the audience can consider rooting for the villain instead of the protagonist. Johan fails at No3. I will list a few antagonists I like more than Johan. Haman Karn (Gundam Zeta/ZZ) Suwon (Yona Of The Dawn) Char Aznable (MSG, Zeta, CCA) There are reasons why many old school anime fans call Char Aznable the greatest antagonist in anime history and Amuro/Char one of the greatest rivalries in fiction. |
NewestPersonHereOct 19, 2022 3:10 AM
| He's overrated but not because his actions aren't shown. That's done on purpose because he's presented as a monster with an almost supernatural presence. Everything we hear about him is through people who truly believe he's a monster. What makes him overrated is the fact that people think he can manipulate anyone and everyone. He just targets vulnerable people like that recovering alcoholic guy on the rooftop. Also, for a character considered to be "realistic", a lot of his actions are highly implausible |
| yeah, thats the whole reason for people liking him. throughout the series, even though we dont see him doing something or even see him in person, he still creates a decent amount of suspense around every event. dont get me wrong, i do think that he is a bit overrated as "best villain ever" (do mind that he didnt even get to my favs), but my man definitely has some moves. the thing is, he doesnt even have to appear on the screen to be a fucking menace, hanging over everything, that is happening. his image and behaviour are fearsome, his actions are perfectly calculated, its hard guessing what he got in his head. what else does one need to like him? |
chains607 said: why johan is so overrated? i dont get it, like everyone praising him like a god but i dont get it yes we know johan is so smart but we dont see know anything about him yes he is the one who rob the bank yes he is the one who manipulates everyone yes he is the one who knows every single detail about every character, but we dont even see him when he doing these things? let me give an example; kira he is one of the best villian in the whole anime series we know he is manipulative and smart cause were watching him while doing these things so we can praise him like that but we dont see anything about johan, he is the one who always in the center of the topic but we dont dont see anything about it everyone calls him a mega mind but there is nothing that makes him mega mind? johan robs the bank "yeah he is so smart he can do it" I DONT GET IT Because weebs are fascinated about mystery, even if the whole character writing is pointless and surrounded by a fake philosophical mist. Most pointless and meaningless villain ever. His whole plan was a result of him being manipulated by nazis, therefore he never had free will to do the things he does in the storyline. But hey, he points his index to his head and has a soothing and mysterious voice! So nice and exciting! |
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| Overthinking pointlessness is the real deal. |
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