Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
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Aug 13, 2022 1:21 PM
#101
nVn123 said: did you just say MT had a good OST? There’s not one single memorable song from that pedophile bait of a show.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: swagxmagician said: I think it’s easily the best isekai and I don’t think it’s close. Konosuba is really good, followed by Youjo Senki and maybe Mushoku Tensei, but I don’t think any other isekai I’ve ever seen has been close to as good as Re:Zero easily the best isekai lol what? Mushoku Tensei is objectively superior than Rezero. MT has incredible ost, far incredible world building (Rezero doesn't have any significant world building) and all the characters of MT are much more humane than shit-zero. Rezero's characters behave like fucking NPCs, only Subaru is somewhat rational, the rest like emilia and beatrice are extremely unlikable pieces of shit. The only argument shit zero fans have against MT is by calling rudeus a pedophile, which he isn't considering he is still a child in that world. But at the same time, He is leagues above that pathetic MC Subaru whose only existence is based on simping for emilia for no fucking reason. And don't get me started on the plot lol, MT has everything it needs to be called the grandfather of the isekai genre. |
Aug 13, 2022 1:22 PM
#102
swagxmagician said: you might as well just ignore this guy, you’ve proven him wrong in every comment and he keeps goingnVn123 said: you haven’t countered any of my arguments you just say the same shit over and over again, and you’re wrong everytime. Just face it, Mushoku Tensei is fucking dogshit. Rudeus is a terrible main character in a generic world with flat characters and no charm. Rudy’s only development was that he could walk forward after being a shut in like that’s a big fucking deal but it’s not. Subaru did the same thing in season 2 and had even more development in the 1st season as well. You say Subaru has little development but then go and say how Rudy development but it’s the exact same shit that Subaru did but Subaru did it better, so you’re just being a biased hypocrite. You don’t even know your own characters. You’re laughably biased to the point that I have to dumb down shit to even get it across to you. You have no idea what you’re talking about.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: ive already given you plenty of examples but I guess you just aren’t smart enough to comprehend what I’m saying. Should I dumb it down a bit for my little buddy? Does my wittle MT fan need me to hold his hand?swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Except everyone knows that Subaru had great character development. Way better development than Rudy and it’s not close. Watch more anime and maybe you’ll have better opinions because now you’re wrong and you don’t even know your own story.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: except Re:zero is better with everything you just listed so you’re factually wrong. Better music, characters, development, plot, world building, character design, and is a much more mature story. I’ve literally countered all of your points and you say I’ve said nothing so you must’ve not even read what I said. You don’t even know what your own show is about since you’re calling Rujierd a violent warrior that developed into a father figure LMAO that’s just false. Rujierd had no character development, he was a static character, which is fine but don’t try to label him as something else. Re:Zero has the best character development of any isekai and it’s not close, that’s almost the purpose of Return by Death from a writing perspective. Everytime Subaru dies the characters around him change based on his interactions with them and you get to see how they develop from his first meeting with them with him vs the main timeline of the story. With Rem, you get to see her go from a person with 0 confidence in the shadow of her sister that’s also hot-headed and over-protective to someone that is able to become her own person and is able to make decisions without being rash. Rem and Emilia both had more character development than even Rudeus did, not just Mushoku’s side characters. Subaru had more character development than every character in Mushoku combined. If you didn’t get that then you didn’t even watch the show, or you’re just not capable of understanding it. Please go rewatch Mushoku because you obviously didn’t get the story. Maybe once you rewatch you’ll understand that it’s average at best.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: shit zero is already a better anime than Midshoku Shitsei! it’s crazy that Rudeus starts working with the Dragon God because the Man God threatens to kill Rudy’s family! Rudeus has erectile dysfunction after his lolI harem no character development Eris leaves him! Hope I didn’t spoil anything! Still a worse plot than Re:zero though.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: just like it’s a fact that Re:zero is better than Midshoku Shitsei! Glad you agreeswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: not reading that because you’re wrong and I’m right. Rudeus = boring. Eris = generic tsundere. Rujierd = boring. I’m not biased for Re:zero, I’m right.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: if you don’t think Emilia didn’t have character development you didn’t watch the show, so you obviously can’t have an opinion in this. Emilia before and after her trials are almost completely different characters. She became way more confident in herself and she was able to make decisions on her own instead of second guessing herself. Instead of a reactionary character she caused the reaction. Rujierd was the exact same character from the start of the show to the end of the show. Rujierd was never a violent warrior, he became violent because of a curse. Did you even watch the show? Eris had less development than Rem and Emilia. Rem went from a self-deprecating character to one that had faith in herself, and no longer felt like she was in her sister’s shadow. She finally felt like she had a purpose in life after Subaru saved her. She stopped being cold to everyone and opened up. If you say there was no character development in Re:Zero, you didn’t even watch past episode 1. Subaru developed more in episode 1 than Rudy did in the first 10 episodes.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: it’s average. No character aside from Rudy had any character development, they managed to all stay boring and flat. The world isn’t interesting, Rudy is a typical OP protagonist with a harem like every other isekai and he’s not even a good protagonist either. Most of the season felt like filler, especially when he was in the beast village. It’s just an extremely average show. People that say it’s the best isekai probably think that SAO is also the best isekai.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: erased had a terrible ending and was still better than MT, Summertime Render is a worse version of Re:Zero with a worse OST, worse characters, and worse world building. It’s still better than MT though. Also, both MC’s are still better than Rudeus. At least Subaru has real reasons to cry unlike Rudeus that cried because he got laid and ran off on by his loli harem girl. MT is generic as fuckswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mid Tensei doesn’t hold a candle to Re:Zero. Subaru might be the best MC of all time and Rudeus is generic. People hyped up Turning Point 2 to be one of the best episodes of all time but that shit was average at best compared to the peaks of Re:Zero. It’s just a show with nothing but fan service of panties and a harem like Rent a GF. Mid at best. If you don’t think Re:Zero is better, it’s because you aren’t smart enough to understand it.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: MT has no story, it’s just a harem anime like rent a GFswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mushoku mid at best imo. Same tier as SAOswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: mushoku tensei is objectively worse than re:zero. Worse characters. worse OST, worse worldbuilding, worse plot. The only thing Mushoku beats Re:zero on is the magic system, and that's barely.swagxmagician said: I think it’s easily the best isekai and I don’t think it’s close. Konosuba is really good, followed by Youjo Senki and maybe Mushoku Tensei, but I don’t think any other isekai I’ve ever seen has been close to as good as Re:Zero easily the best isekai lol what? Mushoku Tensei is objectively superior than Rezero. MT has incredible ost, far incredible world building (Rezero doesn't have any significant world building) and all the characters of MT are much more humane than shit-zero. Rezero's characters behave like fucking NPCs, only Subaru is somewhat rational, the rest like emilia and beatrice are extremely unlikable pieces of shit. The only argument shit zero fans have against MT is by calling rudeus a pedophile, which he isn't considering he is still a child in that world. But at the same time, He is leagues above that pathetic MC Subaru whose only existence is based on simping for emilia for no fucking reason. And don't get me started on the plot lol, MT has everything it needs to be called the grandfather of the isekai genre. Shit Zero is boring, the characters are uninteresting and bland, the plot goes nowhere, the setting was uninspired with almost zero world building, the story was cliche and the music is just meh. ReZero doesn't hold a candle to Mushoku Tensei, it's just a pretentious and superficial story with no depth whatsoever.  You're just sprouting random BS at this point lmao. Bro thinks he is smarter after watching that repetitive piece of shit lmao. There are far more better shows of similar genre like erased and summertime render, which actually make sense. Also, subaru the best mc lol what? He is probably one of the worst mc I've ever seen, he suddenly goes from being an useless NEET to being a super reliable guy, while the other characters remain underdeveloped and static throughout the entire show. Heck even kazuya from rent a gf is somewhat less pathetic than this abomination of a character. World building is not necessary for every anime, particularly if it's not an isekai. (Even so summertime render has a better and more vibrant world than reZero lol) . Moreover a bad ending cannot downplay the likability of the entirety of the show(Erased). And your only argument against mt here is that it's Bad, but you have no strong reasons to support why, unlike me who just listed all the possible causes for why I think rezero is trash. are you sure we watched the same show my guy? Every character in MT had serious character development; Rudeus, Eris, Ruijerd and Paul being the most significant ones. Eris went on from being an annoying brat to a super wholesome, likable character. Ruijerd developed a lot too, from a violent, ruthless warrior to a kind, father like figure. Paul from being a carefree playboy to an actual mature and responsible adult. Rudeus had one of the best character development, he started redeeming himself slowly but progressively, learning from his past. ReZero fans shouldn't debate about stuff such as character development lol, the entire cast of rezero has little to zero personality whatsoever. Emilia is a bland af character, she has no interesting dialogues, no personality or development and she is completely useless, the only thing going for her is she's cute and that's all. I also don't like rem, she brings nothing to the table and her obsession with Subaru makes no sense either. The only character with character development was the insufferable mc, Subaru, whose apparently sole existence is to simp over emilia for no fucking reason. You're just biased af for rezero, that's clearly visible from your answers since I watched the entire show as well. No.Emilia had no character development, she remained a bland af character from starting to finish. She only has a limited vocabulary everytime we see her on screen. She solely exists for Subaru to be an idiot and lust over her and basically be a trophy waifu. She's a goal/prize rather than an actual character, a detriment to this series and is nothing more than a plot device. Confidence or whatever you're talking about is just an excuse to cover up for her negligible growth throughout the series. Ruijerd before meeting rudeus and eris didn't have a purpose, but eventually he developed a lot and finally had an ambition to pursue, i.e clearing the name of his superd race, which he initially gave up upon helplessly, and was just agonising about his past blunders. For a side character, that's decent enough character progression. "Eris had less development than rem and emilia". Lmao the internet and everyone else who watched both the shows says otherwise. MT unlike rezero had realistic character development. Mushoku has some of the most human characters ever. "Subaru developed more in episode 1 than rudy did in the first 10 episodes".Thats the point, you can't expect changes right away, his redeeming arc is slow but progressive, he gradually becomes a better person from an insufferable douchebag, this series is about rudeus living his life because he failed to do so in his previous one, also meanwhile learning from his past. This is what makes MT significantly better than rezero, the story has realistic humane characters, actions have consequences, the world building is immaculate, how the show addresses trauma and recovery from it. Also the animation and art style of MT is leagues above rezero, the production quality is top notch, the fights especially the dragon God vs rudeus crew fight was brilliantly executed and animated, compared to the lackluster ones in rezero. lmao good for you. facts don't care about opinions anyway lol. midshoku shitsei=no meaning Shit Zero=feels like an actual title. truly an anime deserving of it's title👑. don't mind the spoilers but why are you discussing random plot points here lmao. I have given enough reasons by now why I believe mt is better than reZero, but you had no sensible counter arguments against all these, except for repeatedly branding of Rudeus as an incel, which is true, but his development from this state is basically the point of the series. Animation, world building, character interactions and development, realism, music, story,etc.all of these makes MT superior to reZero, there is a reason why it's called the grandfather of the IseKai genre. You didn't counter any of my points, you just regurgitated everything I said back to me lol. Music and Plot favouritism can be subjective, but MT definitely had some of the best character development and world building seen in recent years, along with a strong cast of side characters, the reasons which made it immensely popular. "You're just not capable of understanding it" lmao this is the perfect excuse fans give when they know their show is trash. There are far more Intellectually stimulating shows then this one, with far more deep and mature themes. You don't need to be a genius to understand reZero. It also has some potential plot holes, the primary one being the return by death power. There were multiple ways to explain his special situation(drawing, writing, body language) but no he needs to say it in words despite clear restrictions. Even if it didn't work, he could have atleast tried it. "Subaru had better character development than every character of MT combined".Again, that's an exaggeration, backed up by nothing other than your biased-ness. To many people including me, Subaru's character development was almost non existent. Sure he went from being a shut in to a super reliable guy suddenly, but mentally he remained the same old crybaby that he was before, throwing tantrums and acting as if he owns the world. Also his obsession with emilia for no apparent reasons is cringy and creepy at the same time. Rudy on the other hand, developed slowly but progressively, eventually becoming better and better than his previous self. Also his change was visible, for an average viewer as well. Also, for the nth time, no emilia had no significant growth throughout the series, the one you talked about(confidence) is not some groundbreaking development, it's just maturity at best. She is just designed to be the perfect flawless waifu and that's it. Rem did have some good development but ultimately she's waifu bait as well, and I don't see her much relevant to the story. "Way better development" How exactly? Can you elaborate? "Way more than Rudy" Do you have reasons to prove how or is it just lip service? "Watch more anime" I don't need to watch more anime to understand that Subaru is a wimpass pathetic character with zero depth and likability. Judging by your replies from this thread, I'm probably older and smarter than you lol. Unlike you here, I tried countering each of your arguments point wise, while you resorted to silly little comebacks, as fitting for a nine year old like you. |
Aug 13, 2022 1:35 PM
#103
swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: you haven’t countered any of my arguments you just say the same shit over and over again, and you’re wrong everytime. Just face it, Mushoku Tensei is fucking dogshit. Rudeus is a terrible main character in a generic world with flat characters and no charm. Rudy’s only development was that he could walk forward after being a shut in like that’s a big fucking deal but it’s not. Subaru did the same thing in season 2 and had even more development in the 1st season as well. You say Subaru has little development but then go and say how Rudy development but it’s the exact same shit that Subaru did but Subaru did it better, so you’re just being a biased hypocrite. You don’t even know your own characters. You’re laughably biased to the point that I have to dumb down shit to even get it across to you. You have no idea what you’re talking about.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: ive already given you plenty of examples but I guess you just aren’t smart enough to comprehend what I’m saying. Should I dumb it down a bit for my little buddy? Does my wittle MT fan need me to hold his hand?swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Except everyone knows that Subaru had great character development. Way better development than Rudy and it’s not close. Watch more anime and maybe you’ll have better opinions because now you’re wrong and you don’t even know your own story.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: except Re:zero is better with everything you just listed so you’re factually wrong. Better music, characters, development, plot, world building, character design, and is a much more mature story. I’ve literally countered all of your points and you say I’ve said nothing so you must’ve not even read what I said. You don’t even know what your own show is about since you’re calling Rujierd a violent warrior that developed into a father figure LMAO that’s just false. Rujierd had no character development, he was a static character, which is fine but don’t try to label him as something else. Re:Zero has the best character development of any isekai and it’s not close, that’s almost the purpose of Return by Death from a writing perspective. Everytime Subaru dies the characters around him change based on his interactions with them and you get to see how they develop from his first meeting with them with him vs the main timeline of the story. With Rem, you get to see her go from a person with 0 confidence in the shadow of her sister that’s also hot-headed and over-protective to someone that is able to become her own person and is able to make decisions without being rash. Rem and Emilia both had more character development than even Rudeus did, not just Mushoku’s side characters. Subaru had more character development than every character in Mushoku combined. If you didn’t get that then you didn’t even watch the show, or you’re just not capable of understanding it. Please go rewatch Mushoku because you obviously didn’t get the story. Maybe once you rewatch you’ll understand that it’s average at best.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: shit zero is already a better anime than Midshoku Shitsei! it’s crazy that Rudeus starts working with the Dragon God because the Man God threatens to kill Rudy’s family! Rudeus has erectile dysfunction after his lolI harem no character development Eris leaves him! Hope I didn’t spoil anything! Still a worse plot than Re:zero though.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: just like it’s a fact that Re:zero is better than Midshoku Shitsei! Glad you agreeswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: not reading that because you’re wrong and I’m right. Rudeus = boring. Eris = generic tsundere. Rujierd = boring. I’m not biased for Re:zero, I’m right.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: if you don’t think Emilia didn’t have character development you didn’t watch the show, so you obviously can’t have an opinion in this. Emilia before and after her trials are almost completely different characters. She became way more confident in herself and she was able to make decisions on her own instead of second guessing herself. Instead of a reactionary character she caused the reaction. Rujierd was the exact same character from the start of the show to the end of the show. Rujierd was never a violent warrior, he became violent because of a curse. Did you even watch the show? Eris had less development than Rem and Emilia. Rem went from a self-deprecating character to one that had faith in herself, and no longer felt like she was in her sister’s shadow. She finally felt like she had a purpose in life after Subaru saved her. She stopped being cold to everyone and opened up. If you say there was no character development in Re:Zero, you didn’t even watch past episode 1. Subaru developed more in episode 1 than Rudy did in the first 10 episodes.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: it’s average. No character aside from Rudy had any character development, they managed to all stay boring and flat. The world isn’t interesting, Rudy is a typical OP protagonist with a harem like every other isekai and he’s not even a good protagonist either. Most of the season felt like filler, especially when he was in the beast village. It’s just an extremely average show. People that say it’s the best isekai probably think that SAO is also the best isekai.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: erased had a terrible ending and was still better than MT, Summertime Render is a worse version of Re:Zero with a worse OST, worse characters, and worse world building. It’s still better than MT though. Also, both MC’s are still better than Rudeus. At least Subaru has real reasons to cry unlike Rudeus that cried because he got laid and ran off on by his loli harem girl. MT is generic as fuckswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mid Tensei doesn’t hold a candle to Re:Zero. Subaru might be the best MC of all time and Rudeus is generic. People hyped up Turning Point 2 to be one of the best episodes of all time but that shit was average at best compared to the peaks of Re:Zero. It’s just a show with nothing but fan service of panties and a harem like Rent a GF. Mid at best. If you don’t think Re:Zero is better, it’s because you aren’t smart enough to understand it.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: MT has no story, it’s just a harem anime like rent a GFswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mushoku mid at best imo. Same tier as SAOswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: mushoku tensei is objectively worse than re:zero. Worse characters. worse OST, worse worldbuilding, worse plot. The only thing Mushoku beats Re:zero on is the magic system, and that's barely.swagxmagician said: I think it’s easily the best isekai and I don’t think it’s close. Konosuba is really good, followed by Youjo Senki and maybe Mushoku Tensei, but I don’t think any other isekai I’ve ever seen has been close to as good as Re:Zero easily the best isekai lol what? Mushoku Tensei is objectively superior than Rezero. MT has incredible ost, far incredible world building (Rezero doesn't have any significant world building) and all the characters of MT are much more humane than shit-zero. Rezero's characters behave like fucking NPCs, only Subaru is somewhat rational, the rest like emilia and beatrice are extremely unlikable pieces of shit. The only argument shit zero fans have against MT is by calling rudeus a pedophile, which he isn't considering he is still a child in that world. But at the same time, He is leagues above that pathetic MC Subaru whose only existence is based on simping for emilia for no fucking reason. And don't get me started on the plot lol, MT has everything it needs to be called the grandfather of the isekai genre. Shit Zero is boring, the characters are uninteresting and bland, the plot goes nowhere, the setting was uninspired with almost zero world building, the story was cliche and the music is just meh. ReZero doesn't hold a candle to Mushoku Tensei, it's just a pretentious and superficial story with no depth whatsoever. You're just sprouting random BS at this point lmao. Bro thinks he is smarter after watching that repetitive piece of shit lmao. There are far more better shows of similar genre like erased and summertime render, which actually make sense. Also, subaru the best mc lol what? He is probably one of the worst mc I've ever seen, he suddenly goes from being an useless NEET to being a super reliable guy, while the other characters remain underdeveloped and static throughout the entire show. Heck even kazuya from rent a gf is somewhat less pathetic than this abomination of a character. World building is not necessary for every anime, particularly if it's not an isekai. (Even so summertime render has a better and more vibrant world than reZero lol) . Moreover a bad ending cannot downplay the likability of the entirety of the show(Erased). And your only argument against mt here is that it's Bad, but you have no strong reasons to support why, unlike me who just listed all the possible causes for why I think rezero is trash. are you sure we watched the same show my guy? Every character in MT had serious character development; Rudeus, Eris, Ruijerd and Paul being the most significant ones. Eris went on from being an annoying brat to a super wholesome, likable character. Ruijerd developed a lot too, from a violent, ruthless warrior to a kind, father like figure. Paul from being a carefree playboy to an actual mature and responsible adult. Rudeus had one of the best character development, he started redeeming himself slowly but progressively, learning from his past. ReZero fans shouldn't debate about stuff such as character development lol, the entire cast of rezero has little to zero personality whatsoever. Emilia is a bland af character, she has no interesting dialogues, no personality or development and she is completely useless, the only thing going for her is she's cute and that's all. I also don't like rem, she brings nothing to the table and her obsession with Subaru makes no sense either. The only character with character development was the insufferable mc, Subaru, whose apparently sole existence is to simp over emilia for no fucking reason. You're just biased af for rezero, that's clearly visible from your answers since I watched the entire show as well. No.Emilia had no character development, she remained a bland af character from starting to finish. She only has a limited vocabulary everytime we see her on screen. She solely exists for Subaru to be an idiot and lust over her and basically be a trophy waifu. She's a goal/prize rather than an actual character, a detriment to this series and is nothing more than a plot device. Confidence or whatever you're talking about is just an excuse to cover up for her negligible growth throughout the series. Ruijerd before meeting rudeus and eris didn't have a purpose, but eventually he developed a lot and finally had an ambition to pursue, i.e clearing the name of his superd race, which he initially gave up upon helplessly, and was just agonising about his past blunders. For a side character, that's decent enough character progression. "Eris had less development than rem and emilia". Lmao the internet and everyone else who watched both the shows says otherwise. MT unlike rezero had realistic character development. Mushoku has some of the most human characters ever. "Subaru developed more in episode 1 than rudy did in the first 10 episodes".Thats the point, you can't expect changes right away, his redeeming arc is slow but progressive, he gradually becomes a better person from an insufferable douchebag, this series is about rudeus living his life because he failed to do so in his previous one, also meanwhile learning from his past. This is what makes MT significantly better than rezero, the story has realistic humane characters, actions have consequences, the world building is immaculate, how the show addresses trauma and recovery from it. Also the animation and art style of MT is leagues above rezero, the production quality is top notch, the fights especially the dragon God vs rudeus crew fight was brilliantly executed and animated, compared to the lackluster ones in rezero. lmao good for you. facts don't care about opinions anyway lol. midshoku shitsei=no meaning Shit Zero=feels like an actual title. truly an anime deserving of it's title👑. don't mind the spoilers but why are you discussing random plot points here lmao. I have given enough reasons by now why I believe mt is better than reZero, but you had no sensible counter arguments against all these, except for repeatedly branding of Rudeus as an incel, which is true, but his development from this state is basically the point of the series. Animation, world building, character interactions and development, realism, music, story,etc.all of these makes MT superior to reZero, there is a reason why it's called the grandfather of the IseKai genre. You didn't counter any of my points, you just regurgitated everything I said back to me lol. Music and Plot favouritism can be subjective, but MT definitely had some of the best character development and world building seen in recent years, along with a strong cast of side characters, the reasons which made it immensely popular. "You're just not capable of understanding it" lmao this is the perfect excuse fans give when they know their show is trash. There are far more Intellectually stimulating shows then this one, with far more deep and mature themes. You don't need to be a genius to understand reZero. It also has some potential plot holes, the primary one being the return by death power. There were multiple ways to explain his special situation(drawing, writing, body language) but no he needs to say it in words despite clear restrictions. Even if it didn't work, he could have atleast tried it. "Subaru had better character development than every character of MT combined".Again, that's an exaggeration, backed up by nothing other than your biased-ness. To many people including me, Subaru's character development was almost non existent. Sure he went from being a shut in to a super reliable guy suddenly, but mentally he remained the same old crybaby that he was before, throwing tantrums and acting as if he owns the world. Also his obsession with emilia for no apparent reasons is cringy and creepy at the same time. Rudy on the other hand, developed slowly but progressively, eventually becoming better and better than his previous self. Also his change was visible, for an average viewer as well. Also, for the nth time, no emilia had no significant growth throughout the series, the one you talked about(confidence) is not some groundbreaking development, it's just maturity at best. She is just designed to be the perfect flawless waifu and that's it. Rem did have some good development but ultimately she's waifu bait as well, and I don't see her much relevant to the story. "Way better development" How exactly? Can you elaborate? "Way more than Rudy" Do you have reasons to prove how or is it just lip service? "Watch more anime" I don't need to watch more anime to understand that Subaru is a wimpass pathetic character with zero depth and likability. Judging by your replies from this thread, I'm probably older and smarter than you lol. Unlike you here, I tried countering each of your arguments point wise, while you resorted to silly little comebacks, as fitting for a nine year old like you. you're clearly as dumb as a rock, for a man who thinks he is smart. I regret even arguing with you at the first place, you have a very delusional sense of superiority. Go through the thread for once, I've literally tried writing down large paragraphs countering each of your arguments one by one, but you kept on responding the same 'I'm not reading. you're wrong, and I'm right' shit everytime. "Rudeus is a terrible main character". So is Subaru. The point is developing themselves forward from that point and rudy does it much better realistically, which I explained why in one of my previous replies. You're the one here who's constantly sucking on Subaru but for once you didn't explain why or how you think he has better development than rudy. "You have no idea what you're talking about". oh I do. The reason why I'm still here is explaining why I think MT is better. 'Dumb down shit to even get it across you" how can you possibly dumb it farther to me when you're clearly the dumber one here? |
Aug 13, 2022 1:37 PM
#104
nVn123 said: you’re actually fucking delusional, I’ve literally given you examples on why Subaru is a better character you fucking hypocrite. Learn to read.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: ive already given you plenty of examples but I guess you just aren’t smart enough to comprehend what I’m saying. Should I dumb it down a bit for my little buddy? Does my wittle MT fan need me to hold his hand?swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Except everyone knows that Subaru had great character development. Way better development than Rudy and it’s not close. Watch more anime and maybe you’ll have better opinions because now you’re wrong and you don’t even know your own story.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: except Re:zero is better with everything you just listed so you’re factually wrong. Better music, characters, development, plot, world building, character design, and is a much more mature story. I’ve literally countered all of your points and you say I’ve said nothing so you must’ve not even read what I said. You don’t even know what your own show is about since you’re calling Rujierd a violent warrior that developed into a father figure LMAO that’s just false. Rujierd had no character development, he was a static character, which is fine but don’t try to label him as something else. Re:Zero has the best character development of any isekai and it’s not close, that’s almost the purpose of Return by Death from a writing perspective. Everytime Subaru dies the characters around him change based on his interactions with them and you get to see how they develop from his first meeting with them with him vs the main timeline of the story. With Rem, you get to see her go from a person with 0 confidence in the shadow of her sister that’s also hot-headed and over-protective to someone that is able to become her own person and is able to make decisions without being rash. Rem and Emilia both had more character development than even Rudeus did, not just Mushoku’s side characters. Subaru had more character development than every character in Mushoku combined. If you didn’t get that then you didn’t even watch the show, or you’re just not capable of understanding it. Please go rewatch Mushoku because you obviously didn’t get the story. Maybe once you rewatch you’ll understand that it’s average at best.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: shit zero is already a better anime than Midshoku Shitsei! it’s crazy that Rudeus starts working with the Dragon God because the Man God threatens to kill Rudy’s family! Rudeus has erectile dysfunction after his lolI harem no character development Eris leaves him! Hope I didn’t spoil anything! Still a worse plot than Re:zero though.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: just like it’s a fact that Re:zero is better than Midshoku Shitsei! Glad you agreeswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: not reading that because you’re wrong and I’m right. Rudeus = boring. Eris = generic tsundere. Rujierd = boring. I’m not biased for Re:zero, I’m right.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: if you don’t think Emilia didn’t have character development you didn’t watch the show, so you obviously can’t have an opinion in this. Emilia before and after her trials are almost completely different characters. She became way more confident in herself and she was able to make decisions on her own instead of second guessing herself. Instead of a reactionary character she caused the reaction. Rujierd was the exact same character from the start of the show to the end of the show. Rujierd was never a violent warrior, he became violent because of a curse. Did you even watch the show? Eris had less development than Rem and Emilia. Rem went from a self-deprecating character to one that had faith in herself, and no longer felt like she was in her sister’s shadow. She finally felt like she had a purpose in life after Subaru saved her. She stopped being cold to everyone and opened up. If you say there was no character development in Re:Zero, you didn’t even watch past episode 1. Subaru developed more in episode 1 than Rudy did in the first 10 episodes.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: it’s average. No character aside from Rudy had any character development, they managed to all stay boring and flat. The world isn’t interesting, Rudy is a typical OP protagonist with a harem like every other isekai and he’s not even a good protagonist either. Most of the season felt like filler, especially when he was in the beast village. It’s just an extremely average show. People that say it’s the best isekai probably think that SAO is also the best isekai.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: erased had a terrible ending and was still better than MT, Summertime Render is a worse version of Re:Zero with a worse OST, worse characters, and worse world building. It’s still better than MT though. Also, both MC’s are still better than Rudeus. At least Subaru has real reasons to cry unlike Rudeus that cried because he got laid and ran off on by his loli harem girl. MT is generic as fuckswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mid Tensei doesn’t hold a candle to Re:Zero. Subaru might be the best MC of all time and Rudeus is generic. People hyped up Turning Point 2 to be one of the best episodes of all time but that shit was average at best compared to the peaks of Re:Zero. It’s just a show with nothing but fan service of panties and a harem like Rent a GF. Mid at best. If you don’t think Re:Zero is better, it’s because you aren’t smart enough to understand it.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: MT has no story, it’s just a harem anime like rent a GFswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mushoku mid at best imo. Same tier as SAOswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: mushoku tensei is objectively worse than re:zero. Worse characters. worse OST, worse worldbuilding, worse plot. The only thing Mushoku beats Re:zero on is the magic system, and that's barely.swagxmagician said: I think it’s easily the best isekai and I don’t think it’s close. Konosuba is really good, followed by Youjo Senki and maybe Mushoku Tensei, but I don’t think any other isekai I’ve ever seen has been close to as good as Re:Zero easily the best isekai lol what? Mushoku Tensei is objectively superior than Rezero. MT has incredible ost, far incredible world building (Rezero doesn't have any significant world building) and all the characters of MT are much more humane than shit-zero. Rezero's characters behave like fucking NPCs, only Subaru is somewhat rational, the rest like emilia and beatrice are extremely unlikable pieces of shit. The only argument shit zero fans have against MT is by calling rudeus a pedophile, which he isn't considering he is still a child in that world. But at the same time, He is leagues above that pathetic MC Subaru whose only existence is based on simping for emilia for no fucking reason. And don't get me started on the plot lol, MT has everything it needs to be called the grandfather of the isekai genre. Shit Zero is boring, the characters are uninteresting and bland, the plot goes nowhere, the setting was uninspired with almost zero world building, the story was cliche and the music is just meh. ReZero doesn't hold a candle to Mushoku Tensei, it's just a pretentious and superficial story with no depth whatsoever. You're just sprouting random BS at this point lmao. Bro thinks he is smarter after watching that repetitive piece of shit lmao. There are far more better shows of similar genre like erased and summertime render, which actually make sense. Also, subaru the best mc lol what? He is probably one of the worst mc I've ever seen, he suddenly goes from being an useless NEET to being a super reliable guy, while the other characters remain underdeveloped and static throughout the entire show. Heck even kazuya from rent a gf is somewhat less pathetic than this abomination of a character. World building is not necessary for every anime, particularly if it's not an isekai. (Even so summertime render has a better and more vibrant world than reZero lol) . Moreover a bad ending cannot downplay the likability of the entirety of the show(Erased). And your only argument against mt here is that it's Bad, but you have no strong reasons to support why, unlike me who just listed all the possible causes for why I think rezero is trash. are you sure we watched the same show my guy? Every character in MT had serious character development; Rudeus, Eris, Ruijerd and Paul being the most significant ones. Eris went on from being an annoying brat to a super wholesome, likable character. Ruijerd developed a lot too, from a violent, ruthless warrior to a kind, father like figure. Paul from being a carefree playboy to an actual mature and responsible adult. Rudeus had one of the best character development, he started redeeming himself slowly but progressively, learning from his past. ReZero fans shouldn't debate about stuff such as character development lol, the entire cast of rezero has little to zero personality whatsoever. Emilia is a bland af character, she has no interesting dialogues, no personality or development and she is completely useless, the only thing going for her is she's cute and that's all. I also don't like rem, she brings nothing to the table and her obsession with Subaru makes no sense either. The only character with character development was the insufferable mc, Subaru, whose apparently sole existence is to simp over emilia for no fucking reason. You're just biased af for rezero, that's clearly visible from your answers since I watched the entire show as well. No.Emilia had no character development, she remained a bland af character from starting to finish. She only has a limited vocabulary everytime we see her on screen. She solely exists for Subaru to be an idiot and lust over her and basically be a trophy waifu. She's a goal/prize rather than an actual character, a detriment to this series and is nothing more than a plot device. Confidence or whatever you're talking about is just an excuse to cover up for her negligible growth throughout the series. Ruijerd before meeting rudeus and eris didn't have a purpose, but eventually he developed a lot and finally had an ambition to pursue, i.e clearing the name of his superd race, which he initially gave up upon helplessly, and was just agonising about his past blunders. For a side character, that's decent enough character progression. "Eris had less development than rem and emilia". Lmao the internet and everyone else who watched both the shows says otherwise. MT unlike rezero had realistic character development. Mushoku has some of the most human characters ever. "Subaru developed more in episode 1 than rudy did in the first 10 episodes".Thats the point, you can't expect changes right away, his redeeming arc is slow but progressive, he gradually becomes a better person from an insufferable douchebag, this series is about rudeus living his life because he failed to do so in his previous one, also meanwhile learning from his past. This is what makes MT significantly better than rezero, the story has realistic humane characters, actions have consequences, the world building is immaculate, how the show addresses trauma and recovery from it. Also the animation and art style of MT is leagues above rezero, the production quality is top notch, the fights especially the dragon God vs rudeus crew fight was brilliantly executed and animated, compared to the lackluster ones in rezero. lmao good for you. facts don't care about opinions anyway lol. midshoku shitsei=no meaning Shit Zero=feels like an actual title. truly an anime deserving of it's title👑. don't mind the spoilers but why are you discussing random plot points here lmao. I have given enough reasons by now why I believe mt is better than reZero, but you had no sensible counter arguments against all these, except for repeatedly branding of Rudeus as an incel, which is true, but his development from this state is basically the point of the series. Animation, world building, character interactions and development, realism, music, story,etc.all of these makes MT superior to reZero, there is a reason why it's called the grandfather of the IseKai genre. You didn't counter any of my points, you just regurgitated everything I said back to me lol. Music and Plot favouritism can be subjective, but MT definitely had some of the best character development and world building seen in recent years, along with a strong cast of side characters, the reasons which made it immensely popular. "You're just not capable of understanding it" lmao this is the perfect excuse fans give when they know their show is trash. There are far more Intellectually stimulating shows then this one, with far more deep and mature themes. You don't need to be a genius to understand reZero. It also has some potential plot holes, the primary one being the return by death power. There were multiple ways to explain his special situation(drawing, writing, body language) but no he needs to say it in words despite clear restrictions. Even if it didn't work, he could have atleast tried it. "Subaru had better character development than every character of MT combined".Again, that's an exaggeration, backed up by nothing other than your biased-ness. To many people including me, Subaru's character development was almost non existent. Sure he went from being a shut in to a super reliable guy suddenly, but mentally he remained the same old crybaby that he was before, throwing tantrums and acting as if he owns the world. Also his obsession with emilia for no apparent reasons is cringy and creepy at the same time. Rudy on the other hand, developed slowly but progressively, eventually becoming better and better than his previous self. Also his change was visible, for an average viewer as well. Also, for the nth time, no emilia had no significant growth throughout the series, the one you talked about(confidence) is not some groundbreaking development, it's just maturity at best. She is just designed to be the perfect flawless waifu and that's it. Rem did have some good development but ultimately she's waifu bait as well, and I don't see her much relevant to the story. "Way better development" How exactly? Can you elaborate? "Way more than Rudy" Do you have reasons to prove how or is it just lip service? "Watch more anime" I don't need to watch more anime to understand that Subaru is a wimpass pathetic character with zero depth and likability. Judging by your replies from this thread, I'm probably older and smarter than you lol. Unlike you here, I tried countering each of your arguments point wise, while you resorted to silly little comebacks, as fitting for a nine year old like you. you're clearly as dumb as a rock, for a man who thinks he is smart. I regret even arguing with you at the first place, you have a very delusional sense of superiority. Go through the thread for once, I've literally tried writing down large paragraphs countering each of your arguments one by one, but you kept on responding the same 'I'm not reading. you're wrong, and I'm right' shit everytime. "Rudeus is a terrible main character". So is Subaru. The point is developing themselves forward from that point and rudy does it much better realistically, which I explained why in one of my previous replies. You're the one here who's constantly sucking on Subaru but for once you didn't explain why or how you think he has better development than rudy. "You have no idea what you're talking about". oh I do. The reason why I'm still here is explaining why I think MT is better. 'Dumb down shit to even get it across you" how can you possibly dumb it farther to me when you're clearly the dumber one here? |
Aug 13, 2022 1:39 PM
#105
Horny4Porny said: this guy is insane he says the same stuff over and over again and thinks he’s right but he hasn’t once disproved my pointsswagxmagician said: you might as well just ignore this guy, you’ve proven him wrong in every comment and he keeps goingnVn123 said: swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: ive already given you plenty of examples but I guess you just aren’t smart enough to comprehend what I’m saying. Should I dumb it down a bit for my little buddy? Does my wittle MT fan need me to hold his hand?swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Except everyone knows that Subaru had great character development. Way better development than Rudy and it’s not close. Watch more anime and maybe you’ll have better opinions because now you’re wrong and you don’t even know your own story.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: except Re:zero is better with everything you just listed so you’re factually wrong. Better music, characters, development, plot, world building, character design, and is a much more mature story. I’ve literally countered all of your points and you say I’ve said nothing so you must’ve not even read what I said. You don’t even know what your own show is about since you’re calling Rujierd a violent warrior that developed into a father figure LMAO that’s just false. Rujierd had no character development, he was a static character, which is fine but don’t try to label him as something else. Re:Zero has the best character development of any isekai and it’s not close, that’s almost the purpose of Return by Death from a writing perspective. Everytime Subaru dies the characters around him change based on his interactions with them and you get to see how they develop from his first meeting with them with him vs the main timeline of the story. With Rem, you get to see her go from a person with 0 confidence in the shadow of her sister that’s also hot-headed and over-protective to someone that is able to become her own person and is able to make decisions without being rash. Rem and Emilia both had more character development than even Rudeus did, not just Mushoku’s side characters. Subaru had more character development than every character in Mushoku combined. If you didn’t get that then you didn’t even watch the show, or you’re just not capable of understanding it. Please go rewatch Mushoku because you obviously didn’t get the story. Maybe once you rewatch you’ll understand that it’s average at best.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: shit zero is already a better anime than Midshoku Shitsei! it’s crazy that Rudeus starts working with the Dragon God because the Man God threatens to kill Rudy’s family! Rudeus has erectile dysfunction after his lolI harem no character development Eris leaves him! Hope I didn’t spoil anything! Still a worse plot than Re:zero though.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: just like it’s a fact that Re:zero is better than Midshoku Shitsei! Glad you agreeswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: not reading that because you’re wrong and I’m right. Rudeus = boring. Eris = generic tsundere. Rujierd = boring. I’m not biased for Re:zero, I’m right.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: if you don’t think Emilia didn’t have character development you didn’t watch the show, so you obviously can’t have an opinion in this. Emilia before and after her trials are almost completely different characters. She became way more confident in herself and she was able to make decisions on her own instead of second guessing herself. Instead of a reactionary character she caused the reaction. Rujierd was the exact same character from the start of the show to the end of the show. Rujierd was never a violent warrior, he became violent because of a curse. Did you even watch the show? Eris had less development than Rem and Emilia. Rem went from a self-deprecating character to one that had faith in herself, and no longer felt like she was in her sister’s shadow. She finally felt like she had a purpose in life after Subaru saved her. She stopped being cold to everyone and opened up. If you say there was no character development in Re:Zero, you didn’t even watch past episode 1. Subaru developed more in episode 1 than Rudy did in the first 10 episodes.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: it’s average. No character aside from Rudy had any character development, they managed to all stay boring and flat. The world isn’t interesting, Rudy is a typical OP protagonist with a harem like every other isekai and he’s not even a good protagonist either. Most of the season felt like filler, especially when he was in the beast village. It’s just an extremely average show. People that say it’s the best isekai probably think that SAO is also the best isekai.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: erased had a terrible ending and was still better than MT, Summertime Render is a worse version of Re:Zero with a worse OST, worse characters, and worse world building. It’s still better than MT though. Also, both MC’s are still better than Rudeus. At least Subaru has real reasons to cry unlike Rudeus that cried because he got laid and ran off on by his loli harem girl. MT is generic as fuckswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mid Tensei doesn’t hold a candle to Re:Zero. Subaru might be the best MC of all time and Rudeus is generic. People hyped up Turning Point 2 to be one of the best episodes of all time but that shit was average at best compared to the peaks of Re:Zero. It’s just a show with nothing but fan service of panties and a harem like Rent a GF. Mid at best. If you don’t think Re:Zero is better, it’s because you aren’t smart enough to understand it.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: MT has no story, it’s just a harem anime like rent a GFswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mushoku mid at best imo. Same tier as SAOswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: mushoku tensei is objectively worse than re:zero. Worse characters. worse OST, worse worldbuilding, worse plot. The only thing Mushoku beats Re:zero on is the magic system, and that's barely.swagxmagician said: I think it’s easily the best isekai and I don’t think it’s close. Konosuba is really good, followed by Youjo Senki and maybe Mushoku Tensei, but I don’t think any other isekai I’ve ever seen has been close to as good as Re:Zero easily the best isekai lol what? Mushoku Tensei is objectively superior than Rezero. MT has incredible ost, far incredible world building (Rezero doesn't have any significant world building) and all the characters of MT are much more humane than shit-zero. Rezero's characters behave like fucking NPCs, only Subaru is somewhat rational, the rest like emilia and beatrice are extremely unlikable pieces of shit. The only argument shit zero fans have against MT is by calling rudeus a pedophile, which he isn't considering he is still a child in that world. But at the same time, He is leagues above that pathetic MC Subaru whose only existence is based on simping for emilia for no fucking reason. And don't get me started on the plot lol, MT has everything it needs to be called the grandfather of the isekai genre. Shit Zero is boring, the characters are uninteresting and bland, the plot goes nowhere, the setting was uninspired with almost zero world building, the story was cliche and the music is just meh. ReZero doesn't hold a candle to Mushoku Tensei, it's just a pretentious and superficial story with no depth whatsoever. You're just sprouting random BS at this point lmao. Bro thinks he is smarter after watching that repetitive piece of shit lmao. There are far more better shows of similar genre like erased and summertime render, which actually make sense. Also, subaru the best mc lol what? He is probably one of the worst mc I've ever seen, he suddenly goes from being an useless NEET to being a super reliable guy, while the other characters remain underdeveloped and static throughout the entire show. Heck even kazuya from rent a gf is somewhat less pathetic than this abomination of a character. World building is not necessary for every anime, particularly if it's not an isekai. (Even so summertime render has a better and more vibrant world than reZero lol) . Moreover a bad ending cannot downplay the likability of the entirety of the show(Erased). And your only argument against mt here is that it's Bad, but you have no strong reasons to support why, unlike me who just listed all the possible causes for why I think rezero is trash. are you sure we watched the same show my guy? Every character in MT had serious character development; Rudeus, Eris, Ruijerd and Paul being the most significant ones. Eris went on from being an annoying brat to a super wholesome, likable character. Ruijerd developed a lot too, from a violent, ruthless warrior to a kind, father like figure. Paul from being a carefree playboy to an actual mature and responsible adult. Rudeus had one of the best character development, he started redeeming himself slowly but progressively, learning from his past. ReZero fans shouldn't debate about stuff such as character development lol, the entire cast of rezero has little to zero personality whatsoever. Emilia is a bland af character, she has no interesting dialogues, no personality or development and she is completely useless, the only thing going for her is she's cute and that's all. I also don't like rem, she brings nothing to the table and her obsession with Subaru makes no sense either. The only character with character development was the insufferable mc, Subaru, whose apparently sole existence is to simp over emilia for no fucking reason. You're just biased af for rezero, that's clearly visible from your answers since I watched the entire show as well. No.Emilia had no character development, she remained a bland af character from starting to finish. She only has a limited vocabulary everytime we see her on screen. She solely exists for Subaru to be an idiot and lust over her and basically be a trophy waifu. She's a goal/prize rather than an actual character, a detriment to this series and is nothing more than a plot device. Confidence or whatever you're talking about is just an excuse to cover up for her negligible growth throughout the series. Ruijerd before meeting rudeus and eris didn't have a purpose, but eventually he developed a lot and finally had an ambition to pursue, i.e clearing the name of his superd race, which he initially gave up upon helplessly, and was just agonising about his past blunders. For a side character, that's decent enough character progression. "Eris had less development than rem and emilia". Lmao the internet and everyone else who watched both the shows says otherwise. MT unlike rezero had realistic character development. Mushoku has some of the most human characters ever. "Subaru developed more in episode 1 than rudy did in the first 10 episodes".Thats the point, you can't expect changes right away, his redeeming arc is slow but progressive, he gradually becomes a better person from an insufferable douchebag, this series is about rudeus living his life because he failed to do so in his previous one, also meanwhile learning from his past. This is what makes MT significantly better than rezero, the story has realistic humane characters, actions have consequences, the world building is immaculate, how the show addresses trauma and recovery from it. Also the animation and art style of MT is leagues above rezero, the production quality is top notch, the fights especially the dragon God vs rudeus crew fight was brilliantly executed and animated, compared to the lackluster ones in rezero. lmao good for you. facts don't care about opinions anyway lol. midshoku shitsei=no meaning Shit Zero=feels like an actual title. truly an anime deserving of it's title👑. don't mind the spoilers but why are you discussing random plot points here lmao. I have given enough reasons by now why I believe mt is better than reZero, but you had no sensible counter arguments against all these, except for repeatedly branding of Rudeus as an incel, which is true, but his development from this state is basically the point of the series. Animation, world building, character interactions and development, realism, music, story,etc.all of these makes MT superior to reZero, there is a reason why it's called the grandfather of the IseKai genre. You didn't counter any of my points, you just regurgitated everything I said back to me lol. Music and Plot favouritism can be subjective, but MT definitely had some of the best character development and world building seen in recent years, along with a strong cast of side characters, the reasons which made it immensely popular. "You're just not capable of understanding it" lmao this is the perfect excuse fans give when they know their show is trash. There are far more Intellectually stimulating shows then this one, with far more deep and mature themes. You don't need to be a genius to understand reZero. It also has some potential plot holes, the primary one being the return by death power. There were multiple ways to explain his special situation(drawing, writing, body language) but no he needs to say it in words despite clear restrictions. Even if it didn't work, he could have atleast tried it. "Subaru had better character development than every character of MT combined".Again, that's an exaggeration, backed up by nothing other than your biased-ness. To many people including me, Subaru's character development was almost non existent. Sure he went from being a shut in to a super reliable guy suddenly, but mentally he remained the same old crybaby that he was before, throwing tantrums and acting as if he owns the world. Also his obsession with emilia for no apparent reasons is cringy and creepy at the same time. Rudy on the other hand, developed slowly but progressively, eventually becoming better and better than his previous self. Also his change was visible, for an average viewer as well. Also, for the nth time, no emilia had no significant growth throughout the series, the one you talked about(confidence) is not some groundbreaking development, it's just maturity at best. She is just designed to be the perfect flawless waifu and that's it. Rem did have some good development but ultimately she's waifu bait as well, and I don't see her much relevant to the story. "Way better development" How exactly? Can you elaborate? "Way more than Rudy" Do you have reasons to prove how or is it just lip service? "Watch more anime" I don't need to watch more anime to understand that Subaru is a wimpass pathetic character with zero depth and likability. Judging by your replies from this thread, I'm probably older and smarter than you lol. Unlike you here, I tried countering each of your arguments point wise, while you resorted to silly little comebacks, as fitting for a nine year old like you. |
Aug 13, 2022 1:41 PM
#106
nVn123 said: a lot of words for a pedophile defenderswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: ive already given you plenty of examples but I guess you just aren’t smart enough to comprehend what I’m saying. Should I dumb it down a bit for my little buddy? Does my wittle MT fan need me to hold his hand?swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Except everyone knows that Subaru had great character development. Way better development than Rudy and it’s not close. Watch more anime and maybe you’ll have better opinions because now you’re wrong and you don’t even know your own story.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: except Re:zero is better with everything you just listed so you’re factually wrong. Better music, characters, development, plot, world building, character design, and is a much more mature story. I’ve literally countered all of your points and you say I’ve said nothing so you must’ve not even read what I said. You don’t even know what your own show is about since you’re calling Rujierd a violent warrior that developed into a father figure LMAO that’s just false. Rujierd had no character development, he was a static character, which is fine but don’t try to label him as something else. Re:Zero has the best character development of any isekai and it’s not close, that’s almost the purpose of Return by Death from a writing perspective. Everytime Subaru dies the characters around him change based on his interactions with them and you get to see how they develop from his first meeting with them with him vs the main timeline of the story. With Rem, you get to see her go from a person with 0 confidence in the shadow of her sister that’s also hot-headed and over-protective to someone that is able to become her own person and is able to make decisions without being rash. Rem and Emilia both had more character development than even Rudeus did, not just Mushoku’s side characters. Subaru had more character development than every character in Mushoku combined. If you didn’t get that then you didn’t even watch the show, or you’re just not capable of understanding it. Please go rewatch Mushoku because you obviously didn’t get the story. Maybe once you rewatch you’ll understand that it’s average at best.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: shit zero is already a better anime than Midshoku Shitsei! it’s crazy that Rudeus starts working with the Dragon God because the Man God threatens to kill Rudy’s family! Rudeus has erectile dysfunction after his lolI harem no character development Eris leaves him! Hope I didn’t spoil anything! Still a worse plot than Re:zero though.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: just like it’s a fact that Re:zero is better than Midshoku Shitsei! Glad you agreeswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: not reading that because you’re wrong and I’m right. Rudeus = boring. Eris = generic tsundere. Rujierd = boring. I’m not biased for Re:zero, I’m right.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: if you don’t think Emilia didn’t have character development you didn’t watch the show, so you obviously can’t have an opinion in this. Emilia before and after her trials are almost completely different characters. She became way more confident in herself and she was able to make decisions on her own instead of second guessing herself. Instead of a reactionary character she caused the reaction. Rujierd was the exact same character from the start of the show to the end of the show. Rujierd was never a violent warrior, he became violent because of a curse. Did you even watch the show? Eris had less development than Rem and Emilia. Rem went from a self-deprecating character to one that had faith in herself, and no longer felt like she was in her sister’s shadow. She finally felt like she had a purpose in life after Subaru saved her. She stopped being cold to everyone and opened up. If you say there was no character development in Re:Zero, you didn’t even watch past episode 1. Subaru developed more in episode 1 than Rudy did in the first 10 episodes.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: it’s average. No character aside from Rudy had any character development, they managed to all stay boring and flat. The world isn’t interesting, Rudy is a typical OP protagonist with a harem like every other isekai and he’s not even a good protagonist either. Most of the season felt like filler, especially when he was in the beast village. It’s just an extremely average show. People that say it’s the best isekai probably think that SAO is also the best isekai.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: erased had a terrible ending and was still better than MT, Summertime Render is a worse version of Re:Zero with a worse OST, worse characters, and worse world building. It’s still better than MT though. Also, both MC’s are still better than Rudeus. At least Subaru has real reasons to cry unlike Rudeus that cried because he got laid and ran off on by his loli harem girl. MT is generic as fuckswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mid Tensei doesn’t hold a candle to Re:Zero. Subaru might be the best MC of all time and Rudeus is generic. People hyped up Turning Point 2 to be one of the best episodes of all time but that shit was average at best compared to the peaks of Re:Zero. It’s just a show with nothing but fan service of panties and a harem like Rent a GF. Mid at best. If you don’t think Re:Zero is better, it’s because you aren’t smart enough to understand it.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: MT has no story, it’s just a harem anime like rent a GFswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mushoku mid at best imo. Same tier as SAOswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: mushoku tensei is objectively worse than re:zero. Worse characters. worse OST, worse worldbuilding, worse plot. The only thing Mushoku beats Re:zero on is the magic system, and that's barely.swagxmagician said: I think it’s easily the best isekai and I don’t think it’s close. Konosuba is really good, followed by Youjo Senki and maybe Mushoku Tensei, but I don’t think any other isekai I’ve ever seen has been close to as good as Re:Zero easily the best isekai lol what? Mushoku Tensei is objectively superior than Rezero. MT has incredible ost, far incredible world building (Rezero doesn't have any significant world building) and all the characters of MT are much more humane than shit-zero. Rezero's characters behave like fucking NPCs, only Subaru is somewhat rational, the rest like emilia and beatrice are extremely unlikable pieces of shit. The only argument shit zero fans have against MT is by calling rudeus a pedophile, which he isn't considering he is still a child in that world. But at the same time, He is leagues above that pathetic MC Subaru whose only existence is based on simping for emilia for no fucking reason. And don't get me started on the plot lol, MT has everything it needs to be called the grandfather of the isekai genre. Shit Zero is boring, the characters are uninteresting and bland, the plot goes nowhere, the setting was uninspired with almost zero world building, the story was cliche and the music is just meh. ReZero doesn't hold a candle to Mushoku Tensei, it's just a pretentious and superficial story with no depth whatsoever. You're just sprouting random BS at this point lmao. Bro thinks he is smarter after watching that repetitive piece of shit lmao. There are far more better shows of similar genre like erased and summertime render, which actually make sense. Also, subaru the best mc lol what? He is probably one of the worst mc I've ever seen, he suddenly goes from being an useless NEET to being a super reliable guy, while the other characters remain underdeveloped and static throughout the entire show. Heck even kazuya from rent a gf is somewhat less pathetic than this abomination of a character. World building is not necessary for every anime, particularly if it's not an isekai. (Even so summertime render has a better and more vibrant world than reZero lol) . Moreover a bad ending cannot downplay the likability of the entirety of the show(Erased). And your only argument against mt here is that it's Bad, but you have no strong reasons to support why, unlike me who just listed all the possible causes for why I think rezero is trash. are you sure we watched the same show my guy? Every character in MT had serious character development; Rudeus, Eris, Ruijerd and Paul being the most significant ones. Eris went on from being an annoying brat to a super wholesome, likable character. Ruijerd developed a lot too, from a violent, ruthless warrior to a kind, father like figure. Paul from being a carefree playboy to an actual mature and responsible adult. Rudeus had one of the best character development, he started redeeming himself slowly but progressively, learning from his past. ReZero fans shouldn't debate about stuff such as character development lol, the entire cast of rezero has little to zero personality whatsoever. Emilia is a bland af character, she has no interesting dialogues, no personality or development and she is completely useless, the only thing going for her is she's cute and that's all. I also don't like rem, she brings nothing to the table and her obsession with Subaru makes no sense either. The only character with character development was the insufferable mc, Subaru, whose apparently sole existence is to simp over emilia for no fucking reason. You're just biased af for rezero, that's clearly visible from your answers since I watched the entire show as well. No.Emilia had no character development, she remained a bland af character from starting to finish. She only has a limited vocabulary everytime we see her on screen. She solely exists for Subaru to be an idiot and lust over her and basically be a trophy waifu. She's a goal/prize rather than an actual character, a detriment to this series and is nothing more than a plot device. Confidence or whatever you're talking about is just an excuse to cover up for her negligible growth throughout the series. Ruijerd before meeting rudeus and eris didn't have a purpose, but eventually he developed a lot and finally had an ambition to pursue, i.e clearing the name of his superd race, which he initially gave up upon helplessly, and was just agonising about his past blunders. For a side character, that's decent enough character progression. "Eris had less development than rem and emilia". Lmao the internet and everyone else who watched both the shows says otherwise. MT unlike rezero had realistic character development. Mushoku has some of the most human characters ever. "Subaru developed more in episode 1 than rudy did in the first 10 episodes".Thats the point, you can't expect changes right away, his redeeming arc is slow but progressive, he gradually becomes a better person from an insufferable douchebag, this series is about rudeus living his life because he failed to do so in his previous one, also meanwhile learning from his past. This is what makes MT significantly better than rezero, the story has realistic humane characters, actions have consequences, the world building is immaculate, how the show addresses trauma and recovery from it. Also the animation and art style of MT is leagues above rezero, the production quality is top notch, the fights especially the dragon God vs rudeus crew fight was brilliantly executed and animated, compared to the lackluster ones in rezero. lmao good for you. facts don't care about opinions anyway lol. midshoku shitsei=no meaning Shit Zero=feels like an actual title. truly an anime deserving of it's title👑. don't mind the spoilers but why are you discussing random plot points here lmao. I have given enough reasons by now why I believe mt is better than reZero, but you had no sensible counter arguments against all these, except for repeatedly branding of Rudeus as an incel, which is true, but his development from this state is basically the point of the series. Animation, world building, character interactions and development, realism, music, story,etc.all of these makes MT superior to reZero, there is a reason why it's called the grandfather of the IseKai genre. You didn't counter any of my points, you just regurgitated everything I said back to me lol. Music and Plot favouritism can be subjective, but MT definitely had some of the best character development and world building seen in recent years, along with a strong cast of side characters, the reasons which made it immensely popular. "You're just not capable of understanding it" lmao this is the perfect excuse fans give when they know their show is trash. There are far more Intellectually stimulating shows then this one, with far more deep and mature themes. You don't need to be a genius to understand reZero. It also has some potential plot holes, the primary one being the return by death power. There were multiple ways to explain his special situation(drawing, writing, body language) but no he needs to say it in words despite clear restrictions. Even if it didn't work, he could have atleast tried it. "Subaru had better character development than every character of MT combined".Again, that's an exaggeration, backed up by nothing other than your biased-ness. To many people including me, Subaru's character development was almost non existent. Sure he went from being a shut in to a super reliable guy suddenly, but mentally he remained the same old crybaby that he was before, throwing tantrums and acting as if he owns the world. Also his obsession with emilia for no apparent reasons is cringy and creepy at the same time. Rudy on the other hand, developed slowly but progressively, eventually becoming better and better than his previous self. Also his change was visible, for an average viewer as well. Also, for the nth time, no emilia had no significant growth throughout the series, the one you talked about(confidence) is not some groundbreaking development, it's just maturity at best. She is just designed to be the perfect flawless waifu and that's it. Rem did have some good development but ultimately she's waifu bait as well, and I don't see her much relevant to the story. "Way better development" How exactly? Can you elaborate? "Way more than Rudy" Do you have reasons to prove how or is it just lip service? "Watch more anime" I don't need to watch more anime to understand that Subaru is a wimpass pathetic character with zero depth and likability. Judging by your replies from this thread, I'm probably older and smarter than you lol. Unlike you here, I tried countering each of your arguments point wise, while you resorted to silly little comebacks, as fitting for a nine year old like you. you're clearly as dumb as a rock, for a man who thinks he is smart. I regret even arguing with you at the first place, you have a very delusional sense of superiority. Go through the thread for once, I've literally tried writing down large paragraphs countering each of your arguments one by one, but you kept on responding the same 'I'm not reading. you're wrong, and I'm right' shit everytime. "Rudeus is a terrible main character". So is Subaru. The point is developing themselves forward from that point and rudy does it much better realistically, which I explained why in one of my previous replies. You're the one here who's constantly sucking on Subaru but for once you didn't explain why or how you think he has better development than rudy. "You have no idea what you're talking about". oh I do. The reason why I'm still here is explaining why I think MT is better. 'Dumb down shit to even get it across you" how can you possibly dumb it farther to me when you're clearly the dumber one here? |
Aug 13, 2022 1:49 PM
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Horny4Porny said: nVn123 said: a lot of words for a pedophile defenderswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: you haven’t countered any of my arguments you just say the same shit over and over again, and you’re wrong everytime. Just face it, Mushoku Tensei is fucking dogshit. Rudeus is a terrible main character in a generic world with flat characters and no charm. Rudy’s only development was that he could walk forward after being a shut in like that’s a big fucking deal but it’s not. Subaru did the same thing in season 2 and had even more development in the 1st season as well. You say Subaru has little development but then go and say how Rudy development but it’s the exact same shit that Subaru did but Subaru did it better, so you’re just being a biased hypocrite. You don’t even know your own characters. You’re laughably biased to the point that I have to dumb down shit to even get it across to you. You have no idea what you’re talking about.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: ive already given you plenty of examples but I guess you just aren’t smart enough to comprehend what I’m saying. Should I dumb it down a bit for my little buddy? Does my wittle MT fan need me to hold his hand?swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Except everyone knows that Subaru had great character development. Way better development than Rudy and it’s not close. Watch more anime and maybe you’ll have better opinions because now you’re wrong and you don’t even know your own story.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: except Re:zero is better with everything you just listed so you’re factually wrong. Better music, characters, development, plot, world building, character design, and is a much more mature story. I’ve literally countered all of your points and you say I’ve said nothing so you must’ve not even read what I said. You don’t even know what your own show is about since you’re calling Rujierd a violent warrior that developed into a father figure LMAO that’s just false. Rujierd had no character development, he was a static character, which is fine but don’t try to label him as something else. Re:Zero has the best character development of any isekai and it’s not close, that’s almost the purpose of Return by Death from a writing perspective. Everytime Subaru dies the characters around him change based on his interactions with them and you get to see how they develop from his first meeting with them with him vs the main timeline of the story. With Rem, you get to see her go from a person with 0 confidence in the shadow of her sister that’s also hot-headed and over-protective to someone that is able to become her own person and is able to make decisions without being rash. Rem and Emilia both had more character development than even Rudeus did, not just Mushoku’s side characters. Subaru had more character development than every character in Mushoku combined. If you didn’t get that then you didn’t even watch the show, or you’re just not capable of understanding it. Please go rewatch Mushoku because you obviously didn’t get the story. Maybe once you rewatch you’ll understand that it’s average at best.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: shit zero is already a better anime than Midshoku Shitsei! it’s crazy that Rudeus starts working with the Dragon God because the Man God threatens to kill Rudy’s family! Rudeus has erectile dysfunction after his lolI harem no character development Eris leaves him! Hope I didn’t spoil anything! Still a worse plot than Re:zero though.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: just like it’s a fact that Re:zero is better than Midshoku Shitsei! Glad you agreeswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: not reading that because you’re wrong and I’m right. Rudeus = boring. Eris = generic tsundere. Rujierd = boring. I’m not biased for Re:zero, I’m right.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: if you don’t think Emilia didn’t have character development you didn’t watch the show, so you obviously can’t have an opinion in this. Emilia before and after her trials are almost completely different characters. She became way more confident in herself and she was able to make decisions on her own instead of second guessing herself. Instead of a reactionary character she caused the reaction. Rujierd was the exact same character from the start of the show to the end of the show. Rujierd was never a violent warrior, he became violent because of a curse. Did you even watch the show? Eris had less development than Rem and Emilia. Rem went from a self-deprecating character to one that had faith in herself, and no longer felt like she was in her sister’s shadow. She finally felt like she had a purpose in life after Subaru saved her. She stopped being cold to everyone and opened up. If you say there was no character development in Re:Zero, you didn’t even watch past episode 1. Subaru developed more in episode 1 than Rudy did in the first 10 episodes.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: it’s average. No character aside from Rudy had any character development, they managed to all stay boring and flat. The world isn’t interesting, Rudy is a typical OP protagonist with a harem like every other isekai and he’s not even a good protagonist either. Most of the season felt like filler, especially when he was in the beast village. It’s just an extremely average show. People that say it’s the best isekai probably think that SAO is also the best isekai.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: erased had a terrible ending and was still better than MT, Summertime Render is a worse version of Re:Zero with a worse OST, worse characters, and worse world building. It’s still better than MT though. Also, both MC’s are still better than Rudeus. At least Subaru has real reasons to cry unlike Rudeus that cried because he got laid and ran off on by his loli harem girl. MT is generic as fuckswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mid Tensei doesn’t hold a candle to Re:Zero. Subaru might be the best MC of all time and Rudeus is generic. People hyped up Turning Point 2 to be one of the best episodes of all time but that shit was average at best compared to the peaks of Re:Zero. It’s just a show with nothing but fan service of panties and a harem like Rent a GF. Mid at best. If you don’t think Re:Zero is better, it’s because you aren’t smart enough to understand it.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: MT has no story, it’s just a harem anime like rent a GFswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mushoku mid at best imo. Same tier as SAOswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: mushoku tensei is objectively worse than re:zero. Worse characters. worse OST, worse worldbuilding, worse plot. The only thing Mushoku beats Re:zero on is the magic system, and that's barely.swagxmagician said: I think it’s easily the best isekai and I don’t think it’s close. Konosuba is really good, followed by Youjo Senki and maybe Mushoku Tensei, but I don’t think any other isekai I’ve ever seen has been close to as good as Re:Zero easily the best isekai lol what? Mushoku Tensei is objectively superior than Rezero. MT has incredible ost, far incredible world building (Rezero doesn't have any significant world building) and all the characters of MT are much more humane than shit-zero. Rezero's characters behave like fucking NPCs, only Subaru is somewhat rational, the rest like emilia and beatrice are extremely unlikable pieces of shit. The only argument shit zero fans have against MT is by calling rudeus a pedophile, which he isn't considering he is still a child in that world. But at the same time, He is leagues above that pathetic MC Subaru whose only existence is based on simping for emilia for no fucking reason. And don't get me started on the plot lol, MT has everything it needs to be called the grandfather of the isekai genre. Shit Zero is boring, the characters are uninteresting and bland, the plot goes nowhere, the setting was uninspired with almost zero world building, the story was cliche and the music is just meh. ReZero doesn't hold a candle to Mushoku Tensei, it's just a pretentious and superficial story with no depth whatsoever. You're just sprouting random BS at this point lmao. Bro thinks he is smarter after watching that repetitive piece of shit lmao. There are far more better shows of similar genre like erased and summertime render, which actually make sense. Also, subaru the best mc lol what? He is probably one of the worst mc I've ever seen, he suddenly goes from being an useless NEET to being a super reliable guy, while the other characters remain underdeveloped and static throughout the entire show. Heck even kazuya from rent a gf is somewhat less pathetic than this abomination of a character. World building is not necessary for every anime, particularly if it's not an isekai. (Even so summertime render has a better and more vibrant world than reZero lol) . Moreover a bad ending cannot downplay the likability of the entirety of the show(Erased). And your only argument against mt here is that it's Bad, but you have no strong reasons to support why, unlike me who just listed all the possible causes for why I think rezero is trash. are you sure we watched the same show my guy? Every character in MT had serious character development; Rudeus, Eris, Ruijerd and Paul being the most significant ones. Eris went on from being an annoying brat to a super wholesome, likable character. Ruijerd developed a lot too, from a violent, ruthless warrior to a kind, father like figure. Paul from being a carefree playboy to an actual mature and responsible adult. Rudeus had one of the best character development, he started redeeming himself slowly but progressively, learning from his past. ReZero fans shouldn't debate about stuff such as character development lol, the entire cast of rezero has little to zero personality whatsoever. Emilia is a bland af character, she has no interesting dialogues, no personality or development and she is completely useless, the only thing going for her is she's cute and that's all. I also don't like rem, she brings nothing to the table and her obsession with Subaru makes no sense either. The only character with character development was the insufferable mc, Subaru, whose apparently sole existence is to simp over emilia for no fucking reason. You're just biased af for rezero, that's clearly visible from your answers since I watched the entire show as well. No.Emilia had no character development, she remained a bland af character from starting to finish. She only has a limited vocabulary everytime we see her on screen. She solely exists for Subaru to be an idiot and lust over her and basically be a trophy waifu. She's a goal/prize rather than an actual character, a detriment to this series and is nothing more than a plot device. Confidence or whatever you're talking about is just an excuse to cover up for her negligible growth throughout the series. Ruijerd before meeting rudeus and eris didn't have a purpose, but eventually he developed a lot and finally had an ambition to pursue, i.e clearing the name of his superd race, which he initially gave up upon helplessly, and was just agonising about his past blunders. For a side character, that's decent enough character progression. "Eris had less development than rem and emilia". Lmao the internet and everyone else who watched both the shows says otherwise. MT unlike rezero had realistic character development. Mushoku has some of the most human characters ever. "Subaru developed more in episode 1 than rudy did in the first 10 episodes".Thats the point, you can't expect changes right away, his redeeming arc is slow but progressive, he gradually becomes a better person from an insufferable douchebag, this series is about rudeus living his life because he failed to do so in his previous one, also meanwhile learning from his past. This is what makes MT significantly better than rezero, the story has realistic humane characters, actions have consequences, the world building is immaculate, how the show addresses trauma and recovery from it. Also the animation and art style of MT is leagues above rezero, the production quality is top notch, the fights especially the dragon God vs rudeus crew fight was brilliantly executed and animated, compared to the lackluster ones in rezero. lmao good for you. facts don't care about opinions anyway lol. midshoku shitsei=no meaning Shit Zero=feels like an actual title. truly an anime deserving of it's title👑. don't mind the spoilers but why are you discussing random plot points here lmao. I have given enough reasons by now why I believe mt is better than reZero, but you had no sensible counter arguments against all these, except for repeatedly branding of Rudeus as an incel, which is true, but his development from this state is basically the point of the series. Animation, world building, character interactions and development, realism, music, story,etc.all of these makes MT superior to reZero, there is a reason why it's called the grandfather of the IseKai genre. You didn't counter any of my points, you just regurgitated everything I said back to me lol. Music and Plot favouritism can be subjective, but MT definitely had some of the best character development and world building seen in recent years, along with a strong cast of side characters, the reasons which made it immensely popular. "You're just not capable of understanding it" lmao this is the perfect excuse fans give when they know their show is trash. There are far more Intellectually stimulating shows then this one, with far more deep and mature themes. You don't need to be a genius to understand reZero. It also has some potential plot holes, the primary one being the return by death power. There were multiple ways to explain his special situation(drawing, writing, body language) but no he needs to say it in words despite clear restrictions. Even if it didn't work, he could have atleast tried it. "Subaru had better character development than every character of MT combined".Again, that's an exaggeration, backed up by nothing other than your biased-ness. To many people including me, Subaru's character development was almost non existent. Sure he went from being a shut in to a super reliable guy suddenly, but mentally he remained the same old crybaby that he was before, throwing tantrums and acting as if he owns the world. Also his obsession with emilia for no apparent reasons is cringy and creepy at the same time. Rudy on the other hand, developed slowly but progressively, eventually becoming better and better than his previous self. Also his change was visible, for an average viewer as well. Also, for the nth time, no emilia had no significant growth throughout the series, the one you talked about(confidence) is not some groundbreaking development, it's just maturity at best. She is just designed to be the perfect flawless waifu and that's it. Rem did have some good development but ultimately she's waifu bait as well, and I don't see her much relevant to the story. "Way better development" How exactly? Can you elaborate? "Way more than Rudy" Do you have reasons to prove how or is it just lip service? "Watch more anime" I don't need to watch more anime to understand that Subaru is a wimpass pathetic character with zero depth and likability. Judging by your replies from this thread, I'm probably older and smarter than you lol. Unlike you here, I tried countering each of your arguments point wise, while you resorted to silly little comebacks, as fitting for a nine year old like you. you're clearly as dumb as a rock, for a man who thinks he is smart. I regret even arguing with you at the first place, you have a very delusional sense of superiority. Go through the thread for once, I've literally tried writing down large paragraphs countering each of your arguments one by one, but you kept on responding the same 'I'm not reading. you're wrong, and I'm right' shit everytime. "Rudeus is a terrible main character". So is Subaru. The point is developing themselves forward from that point and rudy does it much better realistically, which I explained why in one of my previous replies. You're the one here who's constantly sucking on Subaru but for once you didn't explain why or how you think he has better development than rudy. "You have no idea what you're talking about". oh I do. The reason why I'm still here is explaining why I think MT is better. 'Dumb down shit to even get it across you" how can you possibly dumb it farther to me when you're clearly the dumber one here? another 14 year old woke kid with a weird sense of superiority. how is he a pedophile you Dumbfuck, he's still a kid in the mt world. His mental age doesn't mean shit cause no one other than him knows he's been reincarnated. What do you suppose, he should go out with women his actual age? Then the person dating him would be considered a pedophile, ain't it? |
Aug 13, 2022 1:51 PM
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nVn123 said: you're just outing yourself now. Rudy was jacking off to CP while he got kicked out of the house and you’re defending him? You’re disgusting.Horny4Porny said: nVn123 said: swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: you haven’t countered any of my arguments you just say the same shit over and over again, and you’re wrong everytime. Just face it, Mushoku Tensei is fucking dogshit. Rudeus is a terrible main character in a generic world with flat characters and no charm. Rudy’s only development was that he could walk forward after being a shut in like that’s a big fucking deal but it’s not. Subaru did the same thing in season 2 and had even more development in the 1st season as well. You say Subaru has little development but then go and say how Rudy development but it’s the exact same shit that Subaru did but Subaru did it better, so you’re just being a biased hypocrite. You don’t even know your own characters. You’re laughably biased to the point that I have to dumb down shit to even get it across to you. You have no idea what you’re talking about.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: ive already given you plenty of examples but I guess you just aren’t smart enough to comprehend what I’m saying. Should I dumb it down a bit for my little buddy? Does my wittle MT fan need me to hold his hand?swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Except everyone knows that Subaru had great character development. Way better development than Rudy and it’s not close. Watch more anime and maybe you’ll have better opinions because now you’re wrong and you don’t even know your own story.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: except Re:zero is better with everything you just listed so you’re factually wrong. Better music, characters, development, plot, world building, character design, and is a much more mature story. I’ve literally countered all of your points and you say I’ve said nothing so you must’ve not even read what I said. You don’t even know what your own show is about since you’re calling Rujierd a violent warrior that developed into a father figure LMAO that’s just false. Rujierd had no character development, he was a static character, which is fine but don’t try to label him as something else. Re:Zero has the best character development of any isekai and it’s not close, that’s almost the purpose of Return by Death from a writing perspective. Everytime Subaru dies the characters around him change based on his interactions with them and you get to see how they develop from his first meeting with them with him vs the main timeline of the story. With Rem, you get to see her go from a person with 0 confidence in the shadow of her sister that’s also hot-headed and over-protective to someone that is able to become her own person and is able to make decisions without being rash. Rem and Emilia both had more character development than even Rudeus did, not just Mushoku’s side characters. Subaru had more character development than every character in Mushoku combined. If you didn’t get that then you didn’t even watch the show, or you’re just not capable of understanding it. Please go rewatch Mushoku because you obviously didn’t get the story. Maybe once you rewatch you’ll understand that it’s average at best.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: shit zero is already a better anime than Midshoku Shitsei! it’s crazy that Rudeus starts working with the Dragon God because the Man God threatens to kill Rudy’s family! Rudeus has erectile dysfunction after his lolI harem no character development Eris leaves him! Hope I didn’t spoil anything! Still a worse plot than Re:zero though.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: just like it’s a fact that Re:zero is better than Midshoku Shitsei! Glad you agreeswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: not reading that because you’re wrong and I’m right. Rudeus = boring. Eris = generic tsundere. Rujierd = boring. I’m not biased for Re:zero, I’m right.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: if you don’t think Emilia didn’t have character development you didn’t watch the show, so you obviously can’t have an opinion in this. Emilia before and after her trials are almost completely different characters. She became way more confident in herself and she was able to make decisions on her own instead of second guessing herself. Instead of a reactionary character she caused the reaction. Rujierd was the exact same character from the start of the show to the end of the show. Rujierd was never a violent warrior, he became violent because of a curse. Did you even watch the show? Eris had less development than Rem and Emilia. Rem went from a self-deprecating character to one that had faith in herself, and no longer felt like she was in her sister’s shadow. She finally felt like she had a purpose in life after Subaru saved her. She stopped being cold to everyone and opened up. If you say there was no character development in Re:Zero, you didn’t even watch past episode 1. Subaru developed more in episode 1 than Rudy did in the first 10 episodes.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: it’s average. No character aside from Rudy had any character development, they managed to all stay boring and flat. The world isn’t interesting, Rudy is a typical OP protagonist with a harem like every other isekai and he’s not even a good protagonist either. Most of the season felt like filler, especially when he was in the beast village. It’s just an extremely average show. People that say it’s the best isekai probably think that SAO is also the best isekai.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: erased had a terrible ending and was still better than MT, Summertime Render is a worse version of Re:Zero with a worse OST, worse characters, and worse world building. It’s still better than MT though. Also, both MC’s are still better than Rudeus. At least Subaru has real reasons to cry unlike Rudeus that cried because he got laid and ran off on by his loli harem girl. MT is generic as fuckswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mid Tensei doesn’t hold a candle to Re:Zero. Subaru might be the best MC of all time and Rudeus is generic. People hyped up Turning Point 2 to be one of the best episodes of all time but that shit was average at best compared to the peaks of Re:Zero. It’s just a show with nothing but fan service of panties and a harem like Rent a GF. Mid at best. If you don’t think Re:Zero is better, it’s because you aren’t smart enough to understand it.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: MT has no story, it’s just a harem anime like rent a GFswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mushoku mid at best imo. Same tier as SAOswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: mushoku tensei is objectively worse than re:zero. Worse characters. worse OST, worse worldbuilding, worse plot. The only thing Mushoku beats Re:zero on is the magic system, and that's barely.swagxmagician said: I think it’s easily the best isekai and I don’t think it’s close. Konosuba is really good, followed by Youjo Senki and maybe Mushoku Tensei, but I don’t think any other isekai I’ve ever seen has been close to as good as Re:Zero easily the best isekai lol what? Mushoku Tensei is objectively superior than Rezero. MT has incredible ost, far incredible world building (Rezero doesn't have any significant world building) and all the characters of MT are much more humane than shit-zero. Rezero's characters behave like fucking NPCs, only Subaru is somewhat rational, the rest like emilia and beatrice are extremely unlikable pieces of shit. The only argument shit zero fans have against MT is by calling rudeus a pedophile, which he isn't considering he is still a child in that world. But at the same time, He is leagues above that pathetic MC Subaru whose only existence is based on simping for emilia for no fucking reason. And don't get me started on the plot lol, MT has everything it needs to be called the grandfather of the isekai genre. Shit Zero is boring, the characters are uninteresting and bland, the plot goes nowhere, the setting was uninspired with almost zero world building, the story was cliche and the music is just meh. ReZero doesn't hold a candle to Mushoku Tensei, it's just a pretentious and superficial story with no depth whatsoever. You're just sprouting random BS at this point lmao. Bro thinks he is smarter after watching that repetitive piece of shit lmao. There are far more better shows of similar genre like erased and summertime render, which actually make sense. Also, subaru the best mc lol what? He is probably one of the worst mc I've ever seen, he suddenly goes from being an useless NEET to being a super reliable guy, while the other characters remain underdeveloped and static throughout the entire show. Heck even kazuya from rent a gf is somewhat less pathetic than this abomination of a character. World building is not necessary for every anime, particularly if it's not an isekai. (Even so summertime render has a better and more vibrant world than reZero lol) . Moreover a bad ending cannot downplay the likability of the entirety of the show(Erased). And your only argument against mt here is that it's Bad, but you have no strong reasons to support why, unlike me who just listed all the possible causes for why I think rezero is trash. are you sure we watched the same show my guy? Every character in MT had serious character development; Rudeus, Eris, Ruijerd and Paul being the most significant ones. Eris went on from being an annoying brat to a super wholesome, likable character. Ruijerd developed a lot too, from a violent, ruthless warrior to a kind, father like figure. Paul from being a carefree playboy to an actual mature and responsible adult. Rudeus had one of the best character development, he started redeeming himself slowly but progressively, learning from his past. ReZero fans shouldn't debate about stuff such as character development lol, the entire cast of rezero has little to zero personality whatsoever. Emilia is a bland af character, she has no interesting dialogues, no personality or development and she is completely useless, the only thing going for her is she's cute and that's all. I also don't like rem, she brings nothing to the table and her obsession with Subaru makes no sense either. The only character with character development was the insufferable mc, Subaru, whose apparently sole existence is to simp over emilia for no fucking reason. You're just biased af for rezero, that's clearly visible from your answers since I watched the entire show as well. No.Emilia had no character development, she remained a bland af character from starting to finish. She only has a limited vocabulary everytime we see her on screen. She solely exists for Subaru to be an idiot and lust over her and basically be a trophy waifu. She's a goal/prize rather than an actual character, a detriment to this series and is nothing more than a plot device. Confidence or whatever you're talking about is just an excuse to cover up for her negligible growth throughout the series. Ruijerd before meeting rudeus and eris didn't have a purpose, but eventually he developed a lot and finally had an ambition to pursue, i.e clearing the name of his superd race, which he initially gave up upon helplessly, and was just agonising about his past blunders. For a side character, that's decent enough character progression. "Eris had less development than rem and emilia". Lmao the internet and everyone else who watched both the shows says otherwise. MT unlike rezero had realistic character development. Mushoku has some of the most human characters ever. "Subaru developed more in episode 1 than rudy did in the first 10 episodes".Thats the point, you can't expect changes right away, his redeeming arc is slow but progressive, he gradually becomes a better person from an insufferable douchebag, this series is about rudeus living his life because he failed to do so in his previous one, also meanwhile learning from his past. This is what makes MT significantly better than rezero, the story has realistic humane characters, actions have consequences, the world building is immaculate, how the show addresses trauma and recovery from it. Also the animation and art style of MT is leagues above rezero, the production quality is top notch, the fights especially the dragon God vs rudeus crew fight was brilliantly executed and animated, compared to the lackluster ones in rezero. lmao good for you. facts don't care about opinions anyway lol. midshoku shitsei=no meaning Shit Zero=feels like an actual title. truly an anime deserving of it's title👑. don't mind the spoilers but why are you discussing random plot points here lmao. I have given enough reasons by now why I believe mt is better than reZero, but you had no sensible counter arguments against all these, except for repeatedly branding of Rudeus as an incel, which is true, but his development from this state is basically the point of the series. Animation, world building, character interactions and development, realism, music, story,etc.all of these makes MT superior to reZero, there is a reason why it's called the grandfather of the IseKai genre. You didn't counter any of my points, you just regurgitated everything I said back to me lol. Music and Plot favouritism can be subjective, but MT definitely had some of the best character development and world building seen in recent years, along with a strong cast of side characters, the reasons which made it immensely popular. "You're just not capable of understanding it" lmao this is the perfect excuse fans give when they know their show is trash. There are far more Intellectually stimulating shows then this one, with far more deep and mature themes. You don't need to be a genius to understand reZero. It also has some potential plot holes, the primary one being the return by death power. There were multiple ways to explain his special situation(drawing, writing, body language) but no he needs to say it in words despite clear restrictions. Even if it didn't work, he could have atleast tried it. "Subaru had better character development than every character of MT combined".Again, that's an exaggeration, backed up by nothing other than your biased-ness. To many people including me, Subaru's character development was almost non existent. Sure he went from being a shut in to a super reliable guy suddenly, but mentally he remained the same old crybaby that he was before, throwing tantrums and acting as if he owns the world. Also his obsession with emilia for no apparent reasons is cringy and creepy at the same time. Rudy on the other hand, developed slowly but progressively, eventually becoming better and better than his previous self. Also his change was visible, for an average viewer as well. Also, for the nth time, no emilia had no significant growth throughout the series, the one you talked about(confidence) is not some groundbreaking development, it's just maturity at best. She is just designed to be the perfect flawless waifu and that's it. Rem did have some good development but ultimately she's waifu bait as well, and I don't see her much relevant to the story. "Way better development" How exactly? Can you elaborate? "Way more than Rudy" Do you have reasons to prove how or is it just lip service? "Watch more anime" I don't need to watch more anime to understand that Subaru is a wimpass pathetic character with zero depth and likability. Judging by your replies from this thread, I'm probably older and smarter than you lol. Unlike you here, I tried countering each of your arguments point wise, while you resorted to silly little comebacks, as fitting for a nine year old like you. you're clearly as dumb as a rock, for a man who thinks he is smart. I regret even arguing with you at the first place, you have a very delusional sense of superiority. Go through the thread for once, I've literally tried writing down large paragraphs countering each of your arguments one by one, but you kept on responding the same 'I'm not reading. you're wrong, and I'm right' shit everytime. "Rudeus is a terrible main character". So is Subaru. The point is developing themselves forward from that point and rudy does it much better realistically, which I explained why in one of my previous replies. You're the one here who's constantly sucking on Subaru but for once you didn't explain why or how you think he has better development than rudy. "You have no idea what you're talking about". oh I do. The reason why I'm still here is explaining why I think MT is better. 'Dumb down shit to even get it across you" how can you possibly dumb it farther to me when you're clearly the dumber one here? another 14 year old woke kid with a weird sense of superiority. how is he a pedophile you Dumbfuck, he's still a kid in the mt world. His mental age doesn't mean shit cause no one other than him knows he's been reincarnated. What do you suppose, he should go out with women his actual age? Then the person dating him would be considered a pedophile, ain't it? |
Aug 13, 2022 2:07 PM
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swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: you’re actually fucking delusional, I’ve literally given you examples on why Subaru is a better character you fucking hypocrite. Learn to read.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: you haven’t countered any of my arguments you just say the same shit over and over again, and you’re wrong everytime. Just face it, Mushoku Tensei is fucking dogshit. Rudeus is a terrible main character in a generic world with flat characters and no charm. Rudy’s only development was that he could walk forward after being a shut in like that’s a big fucking deal but it’s not. Subaru did the same thing in season 2 and had even more development in the 1st season as well. You say Subaru has little development but then go and say how Rudy development but it’s the exact same shit that Subaru did but Subaru did it better, so you’re just being a biased hypocrite. You don’t even know your own characters. You’re laughably biased to the point that I have to dumb down shit to even get it across to you. You have no idea what you’re talking about.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: ive already given you plenty of examples but I guess you just aren’t smart enough to comprehend what I’m saying. Should I dumb it down a bit for my little buddy? Does my wittle MT fan need me to hold his hand?swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Except everyone knows that Subaru had great character development. Way better development than Rudy and it’s not close. Watch more anime and maybe you’ll have better opinions because now you’re wrong and you don’t even know your own story.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: except Re:zero is better with everything you just listed so you’re factually wrong. Better music, characters, development, plot, world building, character design, and is a much more mature story. I’ve literally countered all of your points and you say I’ve said nothing so you must’ve not even read what I said. You don’t even know what your own show is about since you’re calling Rujierd a violent warrior that developed into a father figure LMAO that’s just false. Rujierd had no character development, he was a static character, which is fine but don’t try to label him as something else. Re:Zero has the best character development of any isekai and it’s not close, that’s almost the purpose of Return by Death from a writing perspective. Everytime Subaru dies the characters around him change based on his interactions with them and you get to see how they develop from his first meeting with them with him vs the main timeline of the story. With Rem, you get to see her go from a person with 0 confidence in the shadow of her sister that’s also hot-headed and over-protective to someone that is able to become her own person and is able to make decisions without being rash. Rem and Emilia both had more character development than even Rudeus did, not just Mushoku’s side characters. Subaru had more character development than every character in Mushoku combined. If you didn’t get that then you didn’t even watch the show, or you’re just not capable of understanding it. Please go rewatch Mushoku because you obviously didn’t get the story. Maybe once you rewatch you’ll understand that it’s average at best.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: shit zero is already a better anime than Midshoku Shitsei! it’s crazy that Rudeus starts working with the Dragon God because the Man God threatens to kill Rudy’s family! Rudeus has erectile dysfunction after his lolI harem no character development Eris leaves him! Hope I didn’t spoil anything! Still a worse plot than Re:zero though.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: just like it’s a fact that Re:zero is better than Midshoku Shitsei! Glad you agreeswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: not reading that because you’re wrong and I’m right. Rudeus = boring. Eris = generic tsundere. Rujierd = boring. I’m not biased for Re:zero, I’m right.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: if you don’t think Emilia didn’t have character development you didn’t watch the show, so you obviously can’t have an opinion in this. Emilia before and after her trials are almost completely different characters. She became way more confident in herself and she was able to make decisions on her own instead of second guessing herself. Instead of a reactionary character she caused the reaction. Rujierd was the exact same character from the start of the show to the end of the show. Rujierd was never a violent warrior, he became violent because of a curse. Did you even watch the show? Eris had less development than Rem and Emilia. Rem went from a self-deprecating character to one that had faith in herself, and no longer felt like she was in her sister’s shadow. She finally felt like she had a purpose in life after Subaru saved her. She stopped being cold to everyone and opened up. If you say there was no character development in Re:Zero, you didn’t even watch past episode 1. Subaru developed more in episode 1 than Rudy did in the first 10 episodes.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: it’s average. No character aside from Rudy had any character development, they managed to all stay boring and flat. The world isn’t interesting, Rudy is a typical OP protagonist with a harem like every other isekai and he’s not even a good protagonist either. Most of the season felt like filler, especially when he was in the beast village. It’s just an extremely average show. People that say it’s the best isekai probably think that SAO is also the best isekai.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: erased had a terrible ending and was still better than MT, Summertime Render is a worse version of Re:Zero with a worse OST, worse characters, and worse world building. It’s still better than MT though. Also, both MC’s are still better than Rudeus. At least Subaru has real reasons to cry unlike Rudeus that cried because he got laid and ran off on by his loli harem girl. MT is generic as fuckswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mid Tensei doesn’t hold a candle to Re:Zero. Subaru might be the best MC of all time and Rudeus is generic. People hyped up Turning Point 2 to be one of the best episodes of all time but that shit was average at best compared to the peaks of Re:Zero. It’s just a show with nothing but fan service of panties and a harem like Rent a GF. Mid at best. If you don’t think Re:Zero is better, it’s because you aren’t smart enough to understand it.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: MT has no story, it’s just a harem anime like rent a GFswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mushoku mid at best imo. Same tier as SAOswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: mushoku tensei is objectively worse than re:zero. Worse characters. worse OST, worse worldbuilding, worse plot. The only thing Mushoku beats Re:zero on is the magic system, and that's barely.swagxmagician said: I think it’s easily the best isekai and I don’t think it’s close. Konosuba is really good, followed by Youjo Senki and maybe Mushoku Tensei, but I don’t think any other isekai I’ve ever seen has been close to as good as Re:Zero easily the best isekai lol what? Mushoku Tensei is objectively superior than Rezero. MT has incredible ost, far incredible world building (Rezero doesn't have any significant world building) and all the characters of MT are much more humane than shit-zero. Rezero's characters behave like fucking NPCs, only Subaru is somewhat rational, the rest like emilia and beatrice are extremely unlikable pieces of shit. The only argument shit zero fans have against MT is by calling rudeus a pedophile, which he isn't considering he is still a child in that world. But at the same time, He is leagues above that pathetic MC Subaru whose only existence is based on simping for emilia for no fucking reason. And don't get me started on the plot lol, MT has everything it needs to be called the grandfather of the isekai genre. Shit Zero is boring, the characters are uninteresting and bland, the plot goes nowhere, the setting was uninspired with almost zero world building, the story was cliche and the music is just meh. ReZero doesn't hold a candle to Mushoku Tensei, it's just a pretentious and superficial story with no depth whatsoever. You're just sprouting random BS at this point lmao. Bro thinks he is smarter after watching that repetitive piece of shit lmao. There are far more better shows of similar genre like erased and summertime render, which actually make sense. Also, subaru the best mc lol what? He is probably one of the worst mc I've ever seen, he suddenly goes from being an useless NEET to being a super reliable guy, while the other characters remain underdeveloped and static throughout the entire show. Heck even kazuya from rent a gf is somewhat less pathetic than this abomination of a character. World building is not necessary for every anime, particularly if it's not an isekai. (Even so summertime render has a better and more vibrant world than reZero lol) . Moreover a bad ending cannot downplay the likability of the entirety of the show(Erased). And your only argument against mt here is that it's Bad, but you have no strong reasons to support why, unlike me who just listed all the possible causes for why I think rezero is trash. are you sure we watched the same show my guy? Every character in MT had serious character development; Rudeus, Eris, Ruijerd and Paul being the most significant ones. Eris went on from being an annoying brat to a super wholesome, likable character. Ruijerd developed a lot too, from a violent, ruthless warrior to a kind, father like figure. Paul from being a carefree playboy to an actual mature and responsible adult. Rudeus had one of the best character development, he started redeeming himself slowly but progressively, learning from his past. ReZero fans shouldn't debate about stuff such as character development lol, the entire cast of rezero has little to zero personality whatsoever. Emilia is a bland af character, she has no interesting dialogues, no personality or development and she is completely useless, the only thing going for her is she's cute and that's all. I also don't like rem, she brings nothing to the table and her obsession with Subaru makes no sense either. The only character with character development was the insufferable mc, Subaru, whose apparently sole existence is to simp over emilia for no fucking reason. You're just biased af for rezero, that's clearly visible from your answers since I watched the entire show as well. No.Emilia had no character development, she remained a bland af character from starting to finish. She only has a limited vocabulary everytime we see her on screen. She solely exists for Subaru to be an idiot and lust over her and basically be a trophy waifu. She's a goal/prize rather than an actual character, a detriment to this series and is nothing more than a plot device. Confidence or whatever you're talking about is just an excuse to cover up for her negligible growth throughout the series. Ruijerd before meeting rudeus and eris didn't have a purpose, but eventually he developed a lot and finally had an ambition to pursue, i.e clearing the name of his superd race, which he initially gave up upon helplessly, and was just agonising about his past blunders. For a side character, that's decent enough character progression. "Eris had less development than rem and emilia". Lmao the internet and everyone else who watched both the shows says otherwise. MT unlike rezero had realistic character development. Mushoku has some of the most human characters ever. "Subaru developed more in episode 1 than rudy did in the first 10 episodes".Thats the point, you can't expect changes right away, his redeeming arc is slow but progressive, he gradually becomes a better person from an insufferable douchebag, this series is about rudeus living his life because he failed to do so in his previous one, also meanwhile learning from his past. This is what makes MT significantly better than rezero, the story has realistic humane characters, actions have consequences, the world building is immaculate, how the show addresses trauma and recovery from it. Also the animation and art style of MT is leagues above rezero, the production quality is top notch, the fights especially the dragon God vs rudeus crew fight was brilliantly executed and animated, compared to the lackluster ones in rezero. lmao good for you. facts don't care about opinions anyway lol. midshoku shitsei=no meaning Shit Zero=feels like an actual title. truly an anime deserving of it's title👑. don't mind the spoilers but why are you discussing random plot points here lmao. I have given enough reasons by now why I believe mt is better than reZero, but you had no sensible counter arguments against all these, except for repeatedly branding of Rudeus as an incel, which is true, but his development from this state is basically the point of the series. Animation, world building, character interactions and development, realism, music, story,etc.all of these makes MT superior to reZero, there is a reason why it's called the grandfather of the IseKai genre. You didn't counter any of my points, you just regurgitated everything I said back to me lol. Music and Plot favouritism can be subjective, but MT definitely had some of the best character development and world building seen in recent years, along with a strong cast of side characters, the reasons which made it immensely popular. "You're just not capable of understanding it" lmao this is the perfect excuse fans give when they know their show is trash. There are far more Intellectually stimulating shows then this one, with far more deep and mature themes. You don't need to be a genius to understand reZero. It also has some potential plot holes, the primary one being the return by death power. There were multiple ways to explain his special situation(drawing, writing, body language) but no he needs to say it in words despite clear restrictions. Even if it didn't work, he could have atleast tried it. "Subaru had better character development than every character of MT combined".Again, that's an exaggeration, backed up by nothing other than your biased-ness. To many people including me, Subaru's character development was almost non existent. Sure he went from being a shut in to a super reliable guy suddenly, but mentally he remained the same old crybaby that he was before, throwing tantrums and acting as if he owns the world. Also his obsession with emilia for no apparent reasons is cringy and creepy at the same time. Rudy on the other hand, developed slowly but progressively, eventually becoming better and better than his previous self. Also his change was visible, for an average viewer as well. Also, for the nth time, no emilia had no significant growth throughout the series, the one you talked about(confidence) is not some groundbreaking development, it's just maturity at best. She is just designed to be the perfect flawless waifu and that's it. Rem did have some good development but ultimately she's waifu bait as well, and I don't see her much relevant to the story. "Way better development" How exactly? Can you elaborate? "Way more than Rudy" Do you have reasons to prove how or is it just lip service? "Watch more anime" I don't need to watch more anime to understand that Subaru is a wimpass pathetic character with zero depth and likability. Judging by your replies from this thread, I'm probably older and smarter than you lol. Unlike you here, I tried countering each of your arguments point wise, while you resorted to silly little comebacks, as fitting for a nine year old like you. you're clearly as dumb as a rock, for a man who thinks he is smart. I regret even arguing with you at the first place, you have a very delusional sense of superiority. Go through the thread for once, I've literally tried writing down large paragraphs countering each of your arguments one by one, but you kept on responding the same 'I'm not reading. you're wrong, and I'm right' shit everytime. "Rudeus is a terrible main character". So is Subaru. The point is developing themselves forward from that point and rudy does it much better realistically, which I explained why in one of my previous replies. You're the one here who's constantly sucking on Subaru but for once you didn't explain why or how you think he has better development than rudy. "You have no idea what you're talking about". oh I do. The reason why I'm still here is explaining why I think MT is better. 'Dumb down shit to even get it across you" how can you possibly dumb it farther to me when you're clearly the dumber one here? Where the fuck did you even countered my points? The only thing I remember is you saying Subaru has better character development because he has return by death, and everytime he returns his interactions with the people around him again makes him more developed than his previous checkpoint. Thats not exactly development, that's just hax, and what he's gaining repetitively is just called experience to how to prevent death the next time. That's not realistic character development at all, and is more likely a plot device. Rudy's development is far more humane and realistic than this, he goes on from being an incel/neckbeard to a responsible, calm minded rational person, slowly moving on from his past. And I've said it before, this seems far more natural. Overall, Subaru's character development is sudden, abrupt and kind of unnatural, while Rudy's ch. development is slow, natural and above all, realistic. |
Aug 13, 2022 2:11 PM
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nVn123 said: yeah because being reincarnated and being able to do your entire life over again is extremely realistic character development right? Subaru had this exact same character development in season 2 when he met his parents again, but it was done better, and he also had more development during season 1 as well.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: you haven’t countered any of my arguments you just say the same shit over and over again, and you’re wrong everytime. Just face it, Mushoku Tensei is fucking dogshit. Rudeus is a terrible main character in a generic world with flat characters and no charm. Rudy’s only development was that he could walk forward after being a shut in like that’s a big fucking deal but it’s not. Subaru did the same thing in season 2 and had even more development in the 1st season as well. You say Subaru has little development but then go and say how Rudy development but it’s the exact same shit that Subaru did but Subaru did it better, so you’re just being a biased hypocrite. You don’t even know your own characters. You’re laughably biased to the point that I have to dumb down shit to even get it across to you. You have no idea what you’re talking about.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: ive already given you plenty of examples but I guess you just aren’t smart enough to comprehend what I’m saying. Should I dumb it down a bit for my little buddy? Does my wittle MT fan need me to hold his hand?swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Except everyone knows that Subaru had great character development. Way better development than Rudy and it’s not close. Watch more anime and maybe you’ll have better opinions because now you’re wrong and you don’t even know your own story.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: except Re:zero is better with everything you just listed so you’re factually wrong. Better music, characters, development, plot, world building, character design, and is a much more mature story. I’ve literally countered all of your points and you say I’ve said nothing so you must’ve not even read what I said. You don’t even know what your own show is about since you’re calling Rujierd a violent warrior that developed into a father figure LMAO that’s just false. Rujierd had no character development, he was a static character, which is fine but don’t try to label him as something else. Re:Zero has the best character development of any isekai and it’s not close, that’s almost the purpose of Return by Death from a writing perspective. Everytime Subaru dies the characters around him change based on his interactions with them and you get to see how they develop from his first meeting with them with him vs the main timeline of the story. With Rem, you get to see her go from a person with 0 confidence in the shadow of her sister that’s also hot-headed and over-protective to someone that is able to become her own person and is able to make decisions without being rash. Rem and Emilia both had more character development than even Rudeus did, not just Mushoku’s side characters. Subaru had more character development than every character in Mushoku combined. If you didn’t get that then you didn’t even watch the show, or you’re just not capable of understanding it. Please go rewatch Mushoku because you obviously didn’t get the story. Maybe once you rewatch you’ll understand that it’s average at best.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: shit zero is already a better anime than Midshoku Shitsei! it’s crazy that Rudeus starts working with the Dragon God because the Man God threatens to kill Rudy’s family! Rudeus has erectile dysfunction after his lolI harem no character development Eris leaves him! Hope I didn’t spoil anything! Still a worse plot than Re:zero though.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: just like it’s a fact that Re:zero is better than Midshoku Shitsei! Glad you agreeswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: not reading that because you’re wrong and I’m right. Rudeus = boring. Eris = generic tsundere. Rujierd = boring. I’m not biased for Re:zero, I’m right.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: if you don’t think Emilia didn’t have character development you didn’t watch the show, so you obviously can’t have an opinion in this. Emilia before and after her trials are almost completely different characters. She became way more confident in herself and she was able to make decisions on her own instead of second guessing herself. Instead of a reactionary character she caused the reaction. Rujierd was the exact same character from the start of the show to the end of the show. Rujierd was never a violent warrior, he became violent because of a curse. Did you even watch the show? Eris had less development than Rem and Emilia. Rem went from a self-deprecating character to one that had faith in herself, and no longer felt like she was in her sister’s shadow. She finally felt like she had a purpose in life after Subaru saved her. She stopped being cold to everyone and opened up. If you say there was no character development in Re:Zero, you didn’t even watch past episode 1. Subaru developed more in episode 1 than Rudy did in the first 10 episodes.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: it’s average. No character aside from Rudy had any character development, they managed to all stay boring and flat. The world isn’t interesting, Rudy is a typical OP protagonist with a harem like every other isekai and he’s not even a good protagonist either. Most of the season felt like filler, especially when he was in the beast village. It’s just an extremely average show. People that say it’s the best isekai probably think that SAO is also the best isekai.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: erased had a terrible ending and was still better than MT, Summertime Render is a worse version of Re:Zero with a worse OST, worse characters, and worse world building. It’s still better than MT though. Also, both MC’s are still better than Rudeus. At least Subaru has real reasons to cry unlike Rudeus that cried because he got laid and ran off on by his loli harem girl. MT is generic as fuckswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mid Tensei doesn’t hold a candle to Re:Zero. Subaru might be the best MC of all time and Rudeus is generic. People hyped up Turning Point 2 to be one of the best episodes of all time but that shit was average at best compared to the peaks of Re:Zero. It’s just a show with nothing but fan service of panties and a harem like Rent a GF. Mid at best. If you don’t think Re:Zero is better, it’s because you aren’t smart enough to understand it.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: MT has no story, it’s just a harem anime like rent a GFswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mushoku mid at best imo. Same tier as SAOswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: mushoku tensei is objectively worse than re:zero. Worse characters. worse OST, worse worldbuilding, worse plot. The only thing Mushoku beats Re:zero on is the magic system, and that's barely.swagxmagician said: I think it’s easily the best isekai and I don’t think it’s close. Konosuba is really good, followed by Youjo Senki and maybe Mushoku Tensei, but I don’t think any other isekai I’ve ever seen has been close to as good as Re:Zero easily the best isekai lol what? Mushoku Tensei is objectively superior than Rezero. MT has incredible ost, far incredible world building (Rezero doesn't have any significant world building) and all the characters of MT are much more humane than shit-zero. Rezero's characters behave like fucking NPCs, only Subaru is somewhat rational, the rest like emilia and beatrice are extremely unlikable pieces of shit. The only argument shit zero fans have against MT is by calling rudeus a pedophile, which he isn't considering he is still a child in that world. But at the same time, He is leagues above that pathetic MC Subaru whose only existence is based on simping for emilia for no fucking reason. And don't get me started on the plot lol, MT has everything it needs to be called the grandfather of the isekai genre. Shit Zero is boring, the characters are uninteresting and bland, the plot goes nowhere, the setting was uninspired with almost zero world building, the story was cliche and the music is just meh. ReZero doesn't hold a candle to Mushoku Tensei, it's just a pretentious and superficial story with no depth whatsoever. You're just sprouting random BS at this point lmao. Bro thinks he is smarter after watching that repetitive piece of shit lmao. There are far more better shows of similar genre like erased and summertime render, which actually make sense. Also, subaru the best mc lol what? He is probably one of the worst mc I've ever seen, he suddenly goes from being an useless NEET to being a super reliable guy, while the other characters remain underdeveloped and static throughout the entire show. Heck even kazuya from rent a gf is somewhat less pathetic than this abomination of a character. World building is not necessary for every anime, particularly if it's not an isekai. (Even so summertime render has a better and more vibrant world than reZero lol) . Moreover a bad ending cannot downplay the likability of the entirety of the show(Erased). And your only argument against mt here is that it's Bad, but you have no strong reasons to support why, unlike me who just listed all the possible causes for why I think rezero is trash. are you sure we watched the same show my guy? Every character in MT had serious character development; Rudeus, Eris, Ruijerd and Paul being the most significant ones. Eris went on from being an annoying brat to a super wholesome, likable character. Ruijerd developed a lot too, from a violent, ruthless warrior to a kind, father like figure. Paul from being a carefree playboy to an actual mature and responsible adult. Rudeus had one of the best character development, he started redeeming himself slowly but progressively, learning from his past. ReZero fans shouldn't debate about stuff such as character development lol, the entire cast of rezero has little to zero personality whatsoever. Emilia is a bland af character, she has no interesting dialogues, no personality or development and she is completely useless, the only thing going for her is she's cute and that's all. I also don't like rem, she brings nothing to the table and her obsession with Subaru makes no sense either. The only character with character development was the insufferable mc, Subaru, whose apparently sole existence is to simp over emilia for no fucking reason. You're just biased af for rezero, that's clearly visible from your answers since I watched the entire show as well. No.Emilia had no character development, she remained a bland af character from starting to finish. She only has a limited vocabulary everytime we see her on screen. She solely exists for Subaru to be an idiot and lust over her and basically be a trophy waifu. She's a goal/prize rather than an actual character, a detriment to this series and is nothing more than a plot device. Confidence or whatever you're talking about is just an excuse to cover up for her negligible growth throughout the series. Ruijerd before meeting rudeus and eris didn't have a purpose, but eventually he developed a lot and finally had an ambition to pursue, i.e clearing the name of his superd race, which he initially gave up upon helplessly, and was just agonising about his past blunders. For a side character, that's decent enough character progression. "Eris had less development than rem and emilia". Lmao the internet and everyone else who watched both the shows says otherwise. MT unlike rezero had realistic character development. Mushoku has some of the most human characters ever. "Subaru developed more in episode 1 than rudy did in the first 10 episodes".Thats the point, you can't expect changes right away, his redeeming arc is slow but progressive, he gradually becomes a better person from an insufferable douchebag, this series is about rudeus living his life because he failed to do so in his previous one, also meanwhile learning from his past. This is what makes MT significantly better than rezero, the story has realistic humane characters, actions have consequences, the world building is immaculate, how the show addresses trauma and recovery from it. Also the animation and art style of MT is leagues above rezero, the production quality is top notch, the fights especially the dragon God vs rudeus crew fight was brilliantly executed and animated, compared to the lackluster ones in rezero. lmao good for you. facts don't care about opinions anyway lol. midshoku shitsei=no meaning Shit Zero=feels like an actual title. truly an anime deserving of it's title👑. don't mind the spoilers but why are you discussing random plot points here lmao. I have given enough reasons by now why I believe mt is better than reZero, but you had no sensible counter arguments against all these, except for repeatedly branding of Rudeus as an incel, which is true, but his development from this state is basically the point of the series. Animation, world building, character interactions and development, realism, music, story,etc.all of these makes MT superior to reZero, there is a reason why it's called the grandfather of the IseKai genre. You didn't counter any of my points, you just regurgitated everything I said back to me lol. Music and Plot favouritism can be subjective, but MT definitely had some of the best character development and world building seen in recent years, along with a strong cast of side characters, the reasons which made it immensely popular. "You're just not capable of understanding it" lmao this is the perfect excuse fans give when they know their show is trash. There are far more Intellectually stimulating shows then this one, with far more deep and mature themes. You don't need to be a genius to understand reZero. It also has some potential plot holes, the primary one being the return by death power. There were multiple ways to explain his special situation(drawing, writing, body language) but no he needs to say it in words despite clear restrictions. Even if it didn't work, he could have atleast tried it. "Subaru had better character development than every character of MT combined".Again, that's an exaggeration, backed up by nothing other than your biased-ness. To many people including me, Subaru's character development was almost non existent. Sure he went from being a shut in to a super reliable guy suddenly, but mentally he remained the same old crybaby that he was before, throwing tantrums and acting as if he owns the world. Also his obsession with emilia for no apparent reasons is cringy and creepy at the same time. Rudy on the other hand, developed slowly but progressively, eventually becoming better and better than his previous self. Also his change was visible, for an average viewer as well. Also, for the nth time, no emilia had no significant growth throughout the series, the one you talked about(confidence) is not some groundbreaking development, it's just maturity at best. She is just designed to be the perfect flawless waifu and that's it. Rem did have some good development but ultimately she's waifu bait as well, and I don't see her much relevant to the story. "Way better development" How exactly? Can you elaborate? "Way more than Rudy" Do you have reasons to prove how or is it just lip service? "Watch more anime" I don't need to watch more anime to understand that Subaru is a wimpass pathetic character with zero depth and likability. Judging by your replies from this thread, I'm probably older and smarter than you lol. Unlike you here, I tried countering each of your arguments point wise, while you resorted to silly little comebacks, as fitting for a nine year old like you. you're clearly as dumb as a rock, for a man who thinks he is smart. I regret even arguing with you at the first place, you have a very delusional sense of superiority. Go through the thread for once, I've literally tried writing down large paragraphs countering each of your arguments one by one, but you kept on responding the same 'I'm not reading. you're wrong, and I'm right' shit everytime. "Rudeus is a terrible main character". So is Subaru. The point is developing themselves forward from that point and rudy does it much better realistically, which I explained why in one of my previous replies. You're the one here who's constantly sucking on Subaru but for once you didn't explain why or how you think he has better development than rudy. "You have no idea what you're talking about". oh I do. The reason why I'm still here is explaining why I think MT is better. 'Dumb down shit to even get it across you" how can you possibly dumb it farther to me when you're clearly the dumber one here? Where the fuck did you even countered my points? The only thing I remember is you saying Subaru has better character development because he has return by death, and everytime he returns his interactions with the people around him again makes him more developed than his previous checkpoint. Thats not exactly development, that's just hax, and what he's gaining repetitively is just called experience to how to prevent death the next time. That's not realistic character development at all, and is more likely a plot device. Rudy's development is far more humane and realistic than this, he goes on from being an incel/neckbeard to a responsible, calm minded rational person, slowly moving on from his past. And I've said it before, this seems far more natural. Overall, Subaru's character development is sudden, abrupt and kind of unnatural, while Rudy's ch. development is slow, natural and above all, realistic. |
Aug 13, 2022 2:12 PM
#112
Horny4Porny said: nVn123 said: you're just outing yourself now. Rudy was jacking off to CP while he got kicked out of the house and you’re defending him? You’re disgusting.Horny4Porny said: nVn123 said: a lot of words for a pedophile defenderswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: you haven’t countered any of my arguments you just say the same shit over and over again, and you’re wrong everytime. Just face it, Mushoku Tensei is fucking dogshit. Rudeus is a terrible main character in a generic world with flat characters and no charm. Rudy’s only development was that he could walk forward after being a shut in like that’s a big fucking deal but it’s not. Subaru did the same thing in season 2 and had even more development in the 1st season as well. You say Subaru has little development but then go and say how Rudy development but it’s the exact same shit that Subaru did but Subaru did it better, so you’re just being a biased hypocrite. You don’t even know your own characters. You’re laughably biased to the point that I have to dumb down shit to even get it across to you. You have no idea what you’re talking about.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: ive already given you plenty of examples but I guess you just aren’t smart enough to comprehend what I’m saying. Should I dumb it down a bit for my little buddy? Does my wittle MT fan need me to hold his hand?swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Except everyone knows that Subaru had great character development. Way better development than Rudy and it’s not close. Watch more anime and maybe you’ll have better opinions because now you’re wrong and you don’t even know your own story.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: except Re:zero is better with everything you just listed so you’re factually wrong. Better music, characters, development, plot, world building, character design, and is a much more mature story. I’ve literally countered all of your points and you say I’ve said nothing so you must’ve not even read what I said. You don’t even know what your own show is about since you’re calling Rujierd a violent warrior that developed into a father figure LMAO that’s just false. Rujierd had no character development, he was a static character, which is fine but don’t try to label him as something else. Re:Zero has the best character development of any isekai and it’s not close, that’s almost the purpose of Return by Death from a writing perspective. Everytime Subaru dies the characters around him change based on his interactions with them and you get to see how they develop from his first meeting with them with him vs the main timeline of the story. With Rem, you get to see her go from a person with 0 confidence in the shadow of her sister that’s also hot-headed and over-protective to someone that is able to become her own person and is able to make decisions without being rash. Rem and Emilia both had more character development than even Rudeus did, not just Mushoku’s side characters. Subaru had more character development than every character in Mushoku combined. If you didn’t get that then you didn’t even watch the show, or you’re just not capable of understanding it. Please go rewatch Mushoku because you obviously didn’t get the story. Maybe once you rewatch you’ll understand that it’s average at best.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: shit zero is already a better anime than Midshoku Shitsei! it’s crazy that Rudeus starts working with the Dragon God because the Man God threatens to kill Rudy’s family! Rudeus has erectile dysfunction after his lolI harem no character development Eris leaves him! Hope I didn’t spoil anything! Still a worse plot than Re:zero though.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: just like it’s a fact that Re:zero is better than Midshoku Shitsei! Glad you agreeswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: not reading that because you’re wrong and I’m right. Rudeus = boring. Eris = generic tsundere. Rujierd = boring. I’m not biased for Re:zero, I’m right.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: if you don’t think Emilia didn’t have character development you didn’t watch the show, so you obviously can’t have an opinion in this. Emilia before and after her trials are almost completely different characters. She became way more confident in herself and she was able to make decisions on her own instead of second guessing herself. Instead of a reactionary character she caused the reaction. Rujierd was the exact same character from the start of the show to the end of the show. Rujierd was never a violent warrior, he became violent because of a curse. Did you even watch the show? Eris had less development than Rem and Emilia. Rem went from a self-deprecating character to one that had faith in herself, and no longer felt like she was in her sister’s shadow. She finally felt like she had a purpose in life after Subaru saved her. She stopped being cold to everyone and opened up. If you say there was no character development in Re:Zero, you didn’t even watch past episode 1. Subaru developed more in episode 1 than Rudy did in the first 10 episodes.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: it’s average. No character aside from Rudy had any character development, they managed to all stay boring and flat. The world isn’t interesting, Rudy is a typical OP protagonist with a harem like every other isekai and he’s not even a good protagonist either. Most of the season felt like filler, especially when he was in the beast village. It’s just an extremely average show. People that say it’s the best isekai probably think that SAO is also the best isekai.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: erased had a terrible ending and was still better than MT, Summertime Render is a worse version of Re:Zero with a worse OST, worse characters, and worse world building. It’s still better than MT though. Also, both MC’s are still better than Rudeus. At least Subaru has real reasons to cry unlike Rudeus that cried because he got laid and ran off on by his loli harem girl. MT is generic as fuckswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mid Tensei doesn’t hold a candle to Re:Zero. Subaru might be the best MC of all time and Rudeus is generic. People hyped up Turning Point 2 to be one of the best episodes of all time but that shit was average at best compared to the peaks of Re:Zero. It’s just a show with nothing but fan service of panties and a harem like Rent a GF. Mid at best. If you don’t think Re:Zero is better, it’s because you aren’t smart enough to understand it.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: MT has no story, it’s just a harem anime like rent a GFswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mushoku mid at best imo. Same tier as SAOswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: mushoku tensei is objectively worse than re:zero. Worse characters. worse OST, worse worldbuilding, worse plot. The only thing Mushoku beats Re:zero on is the magic system, and that's barely.swagxmagician said: I think it’s easily the best isekai and I don’t think it’s close. Konosuba is really good, followed by Youjo Senki and maybe Mushoku Tensei, but I don’t think any other isekai I’ve ever seen has been close to as good as Re:Zero easily the best isekai lol what? Mushoku Tensei is objectively superior than Rezero. MT has incredible ost, far incredible world building (Rezero doesn't have any significant world building) and all the characters of MT are much more humane than shit-zero. Rezero's characters behave like fucking NPCs, only Subaru is somewhat rational, the rest like emilia and beatrice are extremely unlikable pieces of shit. The only argument shit zero fans have against MT is by calling rudeus a pedophile, which he isn't considering he is still a child in that world. But at the same time, He is leagues above that pathetic MC Subaru whose only existence is based on simping for emilia for no fucking reason. And don't get me started on the plot lol, MT has everything it needs to be called the grandfather of the isekai genre. Shit Zero is boring, the characters are uninteresting and bland, the plot goes nowhere, the setting was uninspired with almost zero world building, the story was cliche and the music is just meh. ReZero doesn't hold a candle to Mushoku Tensei, it's just a pretentious and superficial story with no depth whatsoever. You're just sprouting random BS at this point lmao. Bro thinks he is smarter after watching that repetitive piece of shit lmao. There are far more better shows of similar genre like erased and summertime render, which actually make sense. Also, subaru the best mc lol what? He is probably one of the worst mc I've ever seen, he suddenly goes from being an useless NEET to being a super reliable guy, while the other characters remain underdeveloped and static throughout the entire show. Heck even kazuya from rent a gf is somewhat less pathetic than this abomination of a character. World building is not necessary for every anime, particularly if it's not an isekai. (Even so summertime render has a better and more vibrant world than reZero lol) . Moreover a bad ending cannot downplay the likability of the entirety of the show(Erased). And your only argument against mt here is that it's Bad, but you have no strong reasons to support why, unlike me who just listed all the possible causes for why I think rezero is trash. are you sure we watched the same show my guy? Every character in MT had serious character development; Rudeus, Eris, Ruijerd and Paul being the most significant ones. Eris went on from being an annoying brat to a super wholesome, likable character. Ruijerd developed a lot too, from a violent, ruthless warrior to a kind, father like figure. Paul from being a carefree playboy to an actual mature and responsible adult. Rudeus had one of the best character development, he started redeeming himself slowly but progressively, learning from his past. ReZero fans shouldn't debate about stuff such as character development lol, the entire cast of rezero has little to zero personality whatsoever. Emilia is a bland af character, she has no interesting dialogues, no personality or development and she is completely useless, the only thing going for her is she's cute and that's all. I also don't like rem, she brings nothing to the table and her obsession with Subaru makes no sense either. The only character with character development was the insufferable mc, Subaru, whose apparently sole existence is to simp over emilia for no fucking reason. You're just biased af for rezero, that's clearly visible from your answers since I watched the entire show as well. No.Emilia had no character development, she remained a bland af character from starting to finish. She only has a limited vocabulary everytime we see her on screen. She solely exists for Subaru to be an idiot and lust over her and basically be a trophy waifu. She's a goal/prize rather than an actual character, a detriment to this series and is nothing more than a plot device. Confidence or whatever you're talking about is just an excuse to cover up for her negligible growth throughout the series. Ruijerd before meeting rudeus and eris didn't have a purpose, but eventually he developed a lot and finally had an ambition to pursue, i.e clearing the name of his superd race, which he initially gave up upon helplessly, and was just agonising about his past blunders. For a side character, that's decent enough character progression. "Eris had less development than rem and emilia". Lmao the internet and everyone else who watched both the shows says otherwise. MT unlike rezero had realistic character development. Mushoku has some of the most human characters ever. "Subaru developed more in episode 1 than rudy did in the first 10 episodes".Thats the point, you can't expect changes right away, his redeeming arc is slow but progressive, he gradually becomes a better person from an insufferable douchebag, this series is about rudeus living his life because he failed to do so in his previous one, also meanwhile learning from his past. This is what makes MT significantly better than rezero, the story has realistic humane characters, actions have consequences, the world building is immaculate, how the show addresses trauma and recovery from it. Also the animation and art style of MT is leagues above rezero, the production quality is top notch, the fights especially the dragon God vs rudeus crew fight was brilliantly executed and animated, compared to the lackluster ones in rezero. lmao good for you. facts don't care about opinions anyway lol. midshoku shitsei=no meaning Shit Zero=feels like an actual title. truly an anime deserving of it's title👑. don't mind the spoilers but why are you discussing random plot points here lmao. I have given enough reasons by now why I believe mt is better than reZero, but you had no sensible counter arguments against all these, except for repeatedly branding of Rudeus as an incel, which is true, but his development from this state is basically the point of the series. Animation, world building, character interactions and development, realism, music, story,etc.all of these makes MT superior to reZero, there is a reason why it's called the grandfather of the IseKai genre. You didn't counter any of my points, you just regurgitated everything I said back to me lol. Music and Plot favouritism can be subjective, but MT definitely had some of the best character development and world building seen in recent years, along with a strong cast of side characters, the reasons which made it immensely popular. "You're just not capable of understanding it" lmao this is the perfect excuse fans give when they know their show is trash. There are far more Intellectually stimulating shows then this one, with far more deep and mature themes. You don't need to be a genius to understand reZero. It also has some potential plot holes, the primary one being the return by death power. There were multiple ways to explain his special situation(drawing, writing, body language) but no he needs to say it in words despite clear restrictions. Even if it didn't work, he could have atleast tried it. "Subaru had better character development than every character of MT combined".Again, that's an exaggeration, backed up by nothing other than your biased-ness. To many people including me, Subaru's character development was almost non existent. Sure he went from being a shut in to a super reliable guy suddenly, but mentally he remained the same old crybaby that he was before, throwing tantrums and acting as if he owns the world. Also his obsession with emilia for no apparent reasons is cringy and creepy at the same time. Rudy on the other hand, developed slowly but progressively, eventually becoming better and better than his previous self. Also his change was visible, for an average viewer as well. Also, for the nth time, no emilia had no significant growth throughout the series, the one you talked about(confidence) is not some groundbreaking development, it's just maturity at best. She is just designed to be the perfect flawless waifu and that's it. Rem did have some good development but ultimately she's waifu bait as well, and I don't see her much relevant to the story. "Way better development" How exactly? Can you elaborate? "Way more than Rudy" Do you have reasons to prove how or is it just lip service? "Watch more anime" I don't need to watch more anime to understand that Subaru is a wimpass pathetic character with zero depth and likability. Judging by your replies from this thread, I'm probably older and smarter than you lol. Unlike you here, I tried countering each of your arguments point wise, while you resorted to silly little comebacks, as fitting for a nine year old like you. you're clearly as dumb as a rock, for a man who thinks he is smart. I regret even arguing with you at the first place, you have a very delusional sense of superiority. Go through the thread for once, I've literally tried writing down large paragraphs countering each of your arguments one by one, but you kept on responding the same 'I'm not reading. you're wrong, and I'm right' shit everytime. "Rudeus is a terrible main character". So is Subaru. The point is developing themselves forward from that point and rudy does it much better realistically, which I explained why in one of my previous replies. You're the one here who's constantly sucking on Subaru but for once you didn't explain why or how you think he has better development than rudy. "You have no idea what you're talking about". oh I do. The reason why I'm still here is explaining why I think MT is better. 'Dumb down shit to even get it across you" how can you possibly dumb it farther to me when you're clearly the dumber one here? another 14 year old woke kid with a weird sense of superiority. how is he a pedophile you Dumbfuck, he's still a kid in the mt world. His mental age doesn't mean shit cause no one other than him knows he's been reincarnated. What do you suppose, he should go out with women his actual age? Then the person dating him would be considered a pedophile, ain't it? what are you, a 14 year old white girl? spare me the lectures on cp,pedophilia and shit, I'm not an American. these things don't even cross my mind, unlike you guys who link everything to such absurdities unnecessarily. |
Aug 13, 2022 2:12 PM
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swagxmagician said: lmao exactly. nvn is just defending a pedophilenVn123 said: yeah because being reincarnated and being able to do your entire life over again is extremely realistic character development right? Subaru had this exact same character development in season 2 when he met his parents again, but it was done better, and he also had more development during season 1 as well.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: you’re actually fucking delusional, I’ve literally given you examples on why Subaru is a better character you fucking hypocrite. Learn to read.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: you haven’t countered any of my arguments you just say the same shit over and over again, and you’re wrong everytime. Just face it, Mushoku Tensei is fucking dogshit. Rudeus is a terrible main character in a generic world with flat characters and no charm. Rudy’s only development was that he could walk forward after being a shut in like that’s a big fucking deal but it’s not. Subaru did the same thing in season 2 and had even more development in the 1st season as well. You say Subaru has little development but then go and say how Rudy development but it’s the exact same shit that Subaru did but Subaru did it better, so you’re just being a biased hypocrite. You don’t even know your own characters. You’re laughably biased to the point that I have to dumb down shit to even get it across to you. You have no idea what you’re talking about.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: ive already given you plenty of examples but I guess you just aren’t smart enough to comprehend what I’m saying. Should I dumb it down a bit for my little buddy? Does my wittle MT fan need me to hold his hand?swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Except everyone knows that Subaru had great character development. Way better development than Rudy and it’s not close. Watch more anime and maybe you’ll have better opinions because now you’re wrong and you don’t even know your own story.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: except Re:zero is better with everything you just listed so you’re factually wrong. Better music, characters, development, plot, world building, character design, and is a much more mature story. I’ve literally countered all of your points and you say I’ve said nothing so you must’ve not even read what I said. You don’t even know what your own show is about since you’re calling Rujierd a violent warrior that developed into a father figure LMAO that’s just false. Rujierd had no character development, he was a static character, which is fine but don’t try to label him as something else. Re:Zero has the best character development of any isekai and it’s not close, that’s almost the purpose of Return by Death from a writing perspective. Everytime Subaru dies the characters around him change based on his interactions with them and you get to see how they develop from his first meeting with them with him vs the main timeline of the story. With Rem, you get to see her go from a person with 0 confidence in the shadow of her sister that’s also hot-headed and over-protective to someone that is able to become her own person and is able to make decisions without being rash. Rem and Emilia both had more character development than even Rudeus did, not just Mushoku’s side characters. Subaru had more character development than every character in Mushoku combined. If you didn’t get that then you didn’t even watch the show, or you’re just not capable of understanding it. Please go rewatch Mushoku because you obviously didn’t get the story. Maybe once you rewatch you’ll understand that it’s average at best.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: shit zero is already a better anime than Midshoku Shitsei! it’s crazy that Rudeus starts working with the Dragon God because the Man God threatens to kill Rudy’s family! Rudeus has erectile dysfunction after his lolI harem no character development Eris leaves him! Hope I didn’t spoil anything! Still a worse plot than Re:zero though.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: just like it’s a fact that Re:zero is better than Midshoku Shitsei! Glad you agreeswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: not reading that because you’re wrong and I’m right. Rudeus = boring. Eris = generic tsundere. Rujierd = boring. I’m not biased for Re:zero, I’m right.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: if you don’t think Emilia didn’t have character development you didn’t watch the show, so you obviously can’t have an opinion in this. Emilia before and after her trials are almost completely different characters. She became way more confident in herself and she was able to make decisions on her own instead of second guessing herself. Instead of a reactionary character she caused the reaction. Rujierd was the exact same character from the start of the show to the end of the show. Rujierd was never a violent warrior, he became violent because of a curse. Did you even watch the show? Eris had less development than Rem and Emilia. Rem went from a self-deprecating character to one that had faith in herself, and no longer felt like she was in her sister’s shadow. She finally felt like she had a purpose in life after Subaru saved her. She stopped being cold to everyone and opened up. If you say there was no character development in Re:Zero, you didn’t even watch past episode 1. Subaru developed more in episode 1 than Rudy did in the first 10 episodes.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: it’s average. No character aside from Rudy had any character development, they managed to all stay boring and flat. The world isn’t interesting, Rudy is a typical OP protagonist with a harem like every other isekai and he’s not even a good protagonist either. Most of the season felt like filler, especially when he was in the beast village. It’s just an extremely average show. People that say it’s the best isekai probably think that SAO is also the best isekai.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: erased had a terrible ending and was still better than MT, Summertime Render is a worse version of Re:Zero with a worse OST, worse characters, and worse world building. It’s still better than MT though. Also, both MC’s are still better than Rudeus. At least Subaru has real reasons to cry unlike Rudeus that cried because he got laid and ran off on by his loli harem girl. MT is generic as fuckswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mid Tensei doesn’t hold a candle to Re:Zero. Subaru might be the best MC of all time and Rudeus is generic. People hyped up Turning Point 2 to be one of the best episodes of all time but that shit was average at best compared to the peaks of Re:Zero. It’s just a show with nothing but fan service of panties and a harem like Rent a GF. Mid at best. If you don’t think Re:Zero is better, it’s because you aren’t smart enough to understand it.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: MT has no story, it’s just a harem anime like rent a GFswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mushoku mid at best imo. Same tier as SAOswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: mushoku tensei is objectively worse than re:zero. Worse characters. worse OST, worse worldbuilding, worse plot. The only thing Mushoku beats Re:zero on is the magic system, and that's barely.swagxmagician said: I think it’s easily the best isekai and I don’t think it’s close. Konosuba is really good, followed by Youjo Senki and maybe Mushoku Tensei, but I don’t think any other isekai I’ve ever seen has been close to as good as Re:Zero easily the best isekai lol what? Mushoku Tensei is objectively superior than Rezero. MT has incredible ost, far incredible world building (Rezero doesn't have any significant world building) and all the characters of MT are much more humane than shit-zero. Rezero's characters behave like fucking NPCs, only Subaru is somewhat rational, the rest like emilia and beatrice are extremely unlikable pieces of shit. The only argument shit zero fans have against MT is by calling rudeus a pedophile, which he isn't considering he is still a child in that world. But at the same time, He is leagues above that pathetic MC Subaru whose only existence is based on simping for emilia for no fucking reason. And don't get me started on the plot lol, MT has everything it needs to be called the grandfather of the isekai genre. Shit Zero is boring, the characters are uninteresting and bland, the plot goes nowhere, the setting was uninspired with almost zero world building, the story was cliche and the music is just meh. ReZero doesn't hold a candle to Mushoku Tensei, it's just a pretentious and superficial story with no depth whatsoever. You're just sprouting random BS at this point lmao. Bro thinks he is smarter after watching that repetitive piece of shit lmao. There are far more better shows of similar genre like erased and summertime render, which actually make sense. Also, subaru the best mc lol what? He is probably one of the worst mc I've ever seen, he suddenly goes from being an useless NEET to being a super reliable guy, while the other characters remain underdeveloped and static throughout the entire show. Heck even kazuya from rent a gf is somewhat less pathetic than this abomination of a character. World building is not necessary for every anime, particularly if it's not an isekai. (Even so summertime render has a better and more vibrant world than reZero lol) . Moreover a bad ending cannot downplay the likability of the entirety of the show(Erased). And your only argument against mt here is that it's Bad, but you have no strong reasons to support why, unlike me who just listed all the possible causes for why I think rezero is trash. are you sure we watched the same show my guy? Every character in MT had serious character development; Rudeus, Eris, Ruijerd and Paul being the most significant ones. Eris went on from being an annoying brat to a super wholesome, likable character. Ruijerd developed a lot too, from a violent, ruthless warrior to a kind, father like figure. Paul from being a carefree playboy to an actual mature and responsible adult. Rudeus had one of the best character development, he started redeeming himself slowly but progressively, learning from his past. ReZero fans shouldn't debate about stuff such as character development lol, the entire cast of rezero has little to zero personality whatsoever. Emilia is a bland af character, she has no interesting dialogues, no personality or development and she is completely useless, the only thing going for her is she's cute and that's all. I also don't like rem, she brings nothing to the table and her obsession with Subaru makes no sense either. The only character with character development was the insufferable mc, Subaru, whose apparently sole existence is to simp over emilia for no fucking reason. You're just biased af for rezero, that's clearly visible from your answers since I watched the entire show as well. No.Emilia had no character development, she remained a bland af character from starting to finish. She only has a limited vocabulary everytime we see her on screen. She solely exists for Subaru to be an idiot and lust over her and basically be a trophy waifu. She's a goal/prize rather than an actual character, a detriment to this series and is nothing more than a plot device. Confidence or whatever you're talking about is just an excuse to cover up for her negligible growth throughout the series. Ruijerd before meeting rudeus and eris didn't have a purpose, but eventually he developed a lot and finally had an ambition to pursue, i.e clearing the name of his superd race, which he initially gave up upon helplessly, and was just agonising about his past blunders. For a side character, that's decent enough character progression. "Eris had less development than rem and emilia". Lmao the internet and everyone else who watched both the shows says otherwise. MT unlike rezero had realistic character development. Mushoku has some of the most human characters ever. "Subaru developed more in episode 1 than rudy did in the first 10 episodes".Thats the point, you can't expect changes right away, his redeeming arc is slow but progressive, he gradually becomes a better person from an insufferable douchebag, this series is about rudeus living his life because he failed to do so in his previous one, also meanwhile learning from his past. This is what makes MT significantly better than rezero, the story has realistic humane characters, actions have consequences, the world building is immaculate, how the show addresses trauma and recovery from it. Also the animation and art style of MT is leagues above rezero, the production quality is top notch, the fights especially the dragon God vs rudeus crew fight was brilliantly executed and animated, compared to the lackluster ones in rezero. lmao good for you. facts don't care about opinions anyway lol. midshoku shitsei=no meaning Shit Zero=feels like an actual title. truly an anime deserving of it's title👑. don't mind the spoilers but why are you discussing random plot points here lmao. I have given enough reasons by now why I believe mt is better than reZero, but you had no sensible counter arguments against all these, except for repeatedly branding of Rudeus as an incel, which is true, but his development from this state is basically the point of the series. Animation, world building, character interactions and development, realism, music, story,etc.all of these makes MT superior to reZero, there is a reason why it's called the grandfather of the IseKai genre. You didn't counter any of my points, you just regurgitated everything I said back to me lol. Music and Plot favouritism can be subjective, but MT definitely had some of the best character development and world building seen in recent years, along with a strong cast of side characters, the reasons which made it immensely popular. "You're just not capable of understanding it" lmao this is the perfect excuse fans give when they know their show is trash. There are far more Intellectually stimulating shows then this one, with far more deep and mature themes. You don't need to be a genius to understand reZero. It also has some potential plot holes, the primary one being the return by death power. There were multiple ways to explain his special situation(drawing, writing, body language) but no he needs to say it in words despite clear restrictions. Even if it didn't work, he could have atleast tried it. "Subaru had better character development than every character of MT combined".Again, that's an exaggeration, backed up by nothing other than your biased-ness. To many people including me, Subaru's character development was almost non existent. Sure he went from being a shut in to a super reliable guy suddenly, but mentally he remained the same old crybaby that he was before, throwing tantrums and acting as if he owns the world. Also his obsession with emilia for no apparent reasons is cringy and creepy at the same time. Rudy on the other hand, developed slowly but progressively, eventually becoming better and better than his previous self. Also his change was visible, for an average viewer as well. Also, for the nth time, no emilia had no significant growth throughout the series, the one you talked about(confidence) is not some groundbreaking development, it's just maturity at best. She is just designed to be the perfect flawless waifu and that's it. Rem did have some good development but ultimately she's waifu bait as well, and I don't see her much relevant to the story. "Way better development" How exactly? Can you elaborate? "Way more than Rudy" Do you have reasons to prove how or is it just lip service? "Watch more anime" I don't need to watch more anime to understand that Subaru is a wimpass pathetic character with zero depth and likability. Judging by your replies from this thread, I'm probably older and smarter than you lol. Unlike you here, I tried countering each of your arguments point wise, while you resorted to silly little comebacks, as fitting for a nine year old like you. you're clearly as dumb as a rock, for a man who thinks he is smart. I regret even arguing with you at the first place, you have a very delusional sense of superiority. Go through the thread for once, I've literally tried writing down large paragraphs countering each of your arguments one by one, but you kept on responding the same 'I'm not reading. you're wrong, and I'm right' shit everytime. "Rudeus is a terrible main character". So is Subaru. The point is developing themselves forward from that point and rudy does it much better realistically, which I explained why in one of my previous replies. You're the one here who's constantly sucking on Subaru but for once you didn't explain why or how you think he has better development than rudy. "You have no idea what you're talking about". oh I do. The reason why I'm still here is explaining why I think MT is better. 'Dumb down shit to even get it across you" how can you possibly dumb it farther to me when you're clearly the dumber one here? Where the fuck did you even countered my points? The only thing I remember is you saying Subaru has better character development because he has return by death, and everytime he returns his interactions with the people around him again makes him more developed than his previous checkpoint. Thats not exactly development, that's just hax, and what he's gaining repetitively is just called experience to how to prevent death the next time. That's not realistic character development at all, and is more likely a plot device. Rudy's development is far more humane and realistic than this, he goes on from being an incel/neckbeard to a responsible, calm minded rational person, slowly moving on from his past. And I've said it before, this seems far more natural. Overall, Subaru's character development is sudden, abrupt and kind of unnatural, while Rudy's ch. development is slow, natural and above all, realistic. |
Aug 13, 2022 2:13 PM
#114
nVn123 said: I didn’t think not being American makes you immune to being a pedophile defenderHorny4Porny said: nVn123 said: Horny4Porny said: nVn123 said: a lot of words for a pedophile defenderswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: you haven’t countered any of my arguments you just say the same shit over and over again, and you’re wrong everytime. Just face it, Mushoku Tensei is fucking dogshit. Rudeus is a terrible main character in a generic world with flat characters and no charm. Rudy’s only development was that he could walk forward after being a shut in like that’s a big fucking deal but it’s not. Subaru did the same thing in season 2 and had even more development in the 1st season as well. You say Subaru has little development but then go and say how Rudy development but it’s the exact same shit that Subaru did but Subaru did it better, so you’re just being a biased hypocrite. You don’t even know your own characters. You’re laughably biased to the point that I have to dumb down shit to even get it across to you. You have no idea what you’re talking about.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: ive already given you plenty of examples but I guess you just aren’t smart enough to comprehend what I’m saying. Should I dumb it down a bit for my little buddy? Does my wittle MT fan need me to hold his hand?swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Except everyone knows that Subaru had great character development. Way better development than Rudy and it’s not close. Watch more anime and maybe you’ll have better opinions because now you’re wrong and you don’t even know your own story.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: except Re:zero is better with everything you just listed so you’re factually wrong. Better music, characters, development, plot, world building, character design, and is a much more mature story. I’ve literally countered all of your points and you say I’ve said nothing so you must’ve not even read what I said. You don’t even know what your own show is about since you’re calling Rujierd a violent warrior that developed into a father figure LMAO that’s just false. Rujierd had no character development, he was a static character, which is fine but don’t try to label him as something else. Re:Zero has the best character development of any isekai and it’s not close, that’s almost the purpose of Return by Death from a writing perspective. Everytime Subaru dies the characters around him change based on his interactions with them and you get to see how they develop from his first meeting with them with him vs the main timeline of the story. With Rem, you get to see her go from a person with 0 confidence in the shadow of her sister that’s also hot-headed and over-protective to someone that is able to become her own person and is able to make decisions without being rash. Rem and Emilia both had more character development than even Rudeus did, not just Mushoku’s side characters. Subaru had more character development than every character in Mushoku combined. If you didn’t get that then you didn’t even watch the show, or you’re just not capable of understanding it. Please go rewatch Mushoku because you obviously didn’t get the story. Maybe once you rewatch you’ll understand that it’s average at best.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: shit zero is already a better anime than Midshoku Shitsei! it’s crazy that Rudeus starts working with the Dragon God because the Man God threatens to kill Rudy’s family! Rudeus has erectile dysfunction after his lolI harem no character development Eris leaves him! Hope I didn’t spoil anything! Still a worse plot than Re:zero though.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: just like it’s a fact that Re:zero is better than Midshoku Shitsei! Glad you agreeswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: not reading that because you’re wrong and I’m right. Rudeus = boring. Eris = generic tsundere. Rujierd = boring. I’m not biased for Re:zero, I’m right.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: if you don’t think Emilia didn’t have character development you didn’t watch the show, so you obviously can’t have an opinion in this. Emilia before and after her trials are almost completely different characters. She became way more confident in herself and she was able to make decisions on her own instead of second guessing herself. Instead of a reactionary character she caused the reaction. Rujierd was the exact same character from the start of the show to the end of the show. Rujierd was never a violent warrior, he became violent because of a curse. Did you even watch the show? Eris had less development than Rem and Emilia. Rem went from a self-deprecating character to one that had faith in herself, and no longer felt like she was in her sister’s shadow. She finally felt like she had a purpose in life after Subaru saved her. She stopped being cold to everyone and opened up. If you say there was no character development in Re:Zero, you didn’t even watch past episode 1. Subaru developed more in episode 1 than Rudy did in the first 10 episodes.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: it’s average. No character aside from Rudy had any character development, they managed to all stay boring and flat. The world isn’t interesting, Rudy is a typical OP protagonist with a harem like every other isekai and he’s not even a good protagonist either. Most of the season felt like filler, especially when he was in the beast village. It’s just an extremely average show. People that say it’s the best isekai probably think that SAO is also the best isekai.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: erased had a terrible ending and was still better than MT, Summertime Render is a worse version of Re:Zero with a worse OST, worse characters, and worse world building. It’s still better than MT though. Also, both MC’s are still better than Rudeus. At least Subaru has real reasons to cry unlike Rudeus that cried because he got laid and ran off on by his loli harem girl. MT is generic as fuckswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mid Tensei doesn’t hold a candle to Re:Zero. Subaru might be the best MC of all time and Rudeus is generic. People hyped up Turning Point 2 to be one of the best episodes of all time but that shit was average at best compared to the peaks of Re:Zero. It’s just a show with nothing but fan service of panties and a harem like Rent a GF. Mid at best. If you don’t think Re:Zero is better, it’s because you aren’t smart enough to understand it.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: MT has no story, it’s just a harem anime like rent a GFswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mushoku mid at best imo. Same tier as SAOswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: mushoku tensei is objectively worse than re:zero. Worse characters. worse OST, worse worldbuilding, worse plot. The only thing Mushoku beats Re:zero on is the magic system, and that's barely.swagxmagician said: I think it’s easily the best isekai and I don’t think it’s close. Konosuba is really good, followed by Youjo Senki and maybe Mushoku Tensei, but I don’t think any other isekai I’ve ever seen has been close to as good as Re:Zero easily the best isekai lol what? Mushoku Tensei is objectively superior than Rezero. MT has incredible ost, far incredible world building (Rezero doesn't have any significant world building) and all the characters of MT are much more humane than shit-zero. Rezero's characters behave like fucking NPCs, only Subaru is somewhat rational, the rest like emilia and beatrice are extremely unlikable pieces of shit. The only argument shit zero fans have against MT is by calling rudeus a pedophile, which he isn't considering he is still a child in that world. But at the same time, He is leagues above that pathetic MC Subaru whose only existence is based on simping for emilia for no fucking reason. And don't get me started on the plot lol, MT has everything it needs to be called the grandfather of the isekai genre. Shit Zero is boring, the characters are uninteresting and bland, the plot goes nowhere, the setting was uninspired with almost zero world building, the story was cliche and the music is just meh. ReZero doesn't hold a candle to Mushoku Tensei, it's just a pretentious and superficial story with no depth whatsoever. You're just sprouting random BS at this point lmao. Bro thinks he is smarter after watching that repetitive piece of shit lmao. There are far more better shows of similar genre like erased and summertime render, which actually make sense. Also, subaru the best mc lol what? He is probably one of the worst mc I've ever seen, he suddenly goes from being an useless NEET to being a super reliable guy, while the other characters remain underdeveloped and static throughout the entire show. Heck even kazuya from rent a gf is somewhat less pathetic than this abomination of a character. World building is not necessary for every anime, particularly if it's not an isekai. (Even so summertime render has a better and more vibrant world than reZero lol) . Moreover a bad ending cannot downplay the likability of the entirety of the show(Erased). And your only argument against mt here is that it's Bad, but you have no strong reasons to support why, unlike me who just listed all the possible causes for why I think rezero is trash. are you sure we watched the same show my guy? Every character in MT had serious character development; Rudeus, Eris, Ruijerd and Paul being the most significant ones. Eris went on from being an annoying brat to a super wholesome, likable character. Ruijerd developed a lot too, from a violent, ruthless warrior to a kind, father like figure. Paul from being a carefree playboy to an actual mature and responsible adult. Rudeus had one of the best character development, he started redeeming himself slowly but progressively, learning from his past. ReZero fans shouldn't debate about stuff such as character development lol, the entire cast of rezero has little to zero personality whatsoever. Emilia is a bland af character, she has no interesting dialogues, no personality or development and she is completely useless, the only thing going for her is she's cute and that's all. I also don't like rem, she brings nothing to the table and her obsession with Subaru makes no sense either. The only character with character development was the insufferable mc, Subaru, whose apparently sole existence is to simp over emilia for no fucking reason. You're just biased af for rezero, that's clearly visible from your answers since I watched the entire show as well. No.Emilia had no character development, she remained a bland af character from starting to finish. She only has a limited vocabulary everytime we see her on screen. She solely exists for Subaru to be an idiot and lust over her and basically be a trophy waifu. She's a goal/prize rather than an actual character, a detriment to this series and is nothing more than a plot device. Confidence or whatever you're talking about is just an excuse to cover up for her negligible growth throughout the series. Ruijerd before meeting rudeus and eris didn't have a purpose, but eventually he developed a lot and finally had an ambition to pursue, i.e clearing the name of his superd race, which he initially gave up upon helplessly, and was just agonising about his past blunders. For a side character, that's decent enough character progression. "Eris had less development than rem and emilia". Lmao the internet and everyone else who watched both the shows says otherwise. MT unlike rezero had realistic character development. Mushoku has some of the most human characters ever. "Subaru developed more in episode 1 than rudy did in the first 10 episodes".Thats the point, you can't expect changes right away, his redeeming arc is slow but progressive, he gradually becomes a better person from an insufferable douchebag, this series is about rudeus living his life because he failed to do so in his previous one, also meanwhile learning from his past. This is what makes MT significantly better than rezero, the story has realistic humane characters, actions have consequences, the world building is immaculate, how the show addresses trauma and recovery from it. Also the animation and art style of MT is leagues above rezero, the production quality is top notch, the fights especially the dragon God vs rudeus crew fight was brilliantly executed and animated, compared to the lackluster ones in rezero. lmao good for you. facts don't care about opinions anyway lol. midshoku shitsei=no meaning Shit Zero=feels like an actual title. truly an anime deserving of it's title👑. don't mind the spoilers but why are you discussing random plot points here lmao. I have given enough reasons by now why I believe mt is better than reZero, but you had no sensible counter arguments against all these, except for repeatedly branding of Rudeus as an incel, which is true, but his development from this state is basically the point of the series. Animation, world building, character interactions and development, realism, music, story,etc.all of these makes MT superior to reZero, there is a reason why it's called the grandfather of the IseKai genre. You didn't counter any of my points, you just regurgitated everything I said back to me lol. Music and Plot favouritism can be subjective, but MT definitely had some of the best character development and world building seen in recent years, along with a strong cast of side characters, the reasons which made it immensely popular. "You're just not capable of understanding it" lmao this is the perfect excuse fans give when they know their show is trash. There are far more Intellectually stimulating shows then this one, with far more deep and mature themes. You don't need to be a genius to understand reZero. It also has some potential plot holes, the primary one being the return by death power. There were multiple ways to explain his special situation(drawing, writing, body language) but no he needs to say it in words despite clear restrictions. Even if it didn't work, he could have atleast tried it. "Subaru had better character development than every character of MT combined".Again, that's an exaggeration, backed up by nothing other than your biased-ness. To many people including me, Subaru's character development was almost non existent. Sure he went from being a shut in to a super reliable guy suddenly, but mentally he remained the same old crybaby that he was before, throwing tantrums and acting as if he owns the world. Also his obsession with emilia for no apparent reasons is cringy and creepy at the same time. Rudy on the other hand, developed slowly but progressively, eventually becoming better and better than his previous self. Also his change was visible, for an average viewer as well. Also, for the nth time, no emilia had no significant growth throughout the series, the one you talked about(confidence) is not some groundbreaking development, it's just maturity at best. She is just designed to be the perfect flawless waifu and that's it. Rem did have some good development but ultimately she's waifu bait as well, and I don't see her much relevant to the story. "Way better development" How exactly? Can you elaborate? "Way more than Rudy" Do you have reasons to prove how or is it just lip service? "Watch more anime" I don't need to watch more anime to understand that Subaru is a wimpass pathetic character with zero depth and likability. Judging by your replies from this thread, I'm probably older and smarter than you lol. Unlike you here, I tried countering each of your arguments point wise, while you resorted to silly little comebacks, as fitting for a nine year old like you. you're clearly as dumb as a rock, for a man who thinks he is smart. I regret even arguing with you at the first place, you have a very delusional sense of superiority. Go through the thread for once, I've literally tried writing down large paragraphs countering each of your arguments one by one, but you kept on responding the same 'I'm not reading. you're wrong, and I'm right' shit everytime. "Rudeus is a terrible main character". So is Subaru. The point is developing themselves forward from that point and rudy does it much better realistically, which I explained why in one of my previous replies. You're the one here who's constantly sucking on Subaru but for once you didn't explain why or how you think he has better development than rudy. "You have no idea what you're talking about". oh I do. The reason why I'm still here is explaining why I think MT is better. 'Dumb down shit to even get it across you" how can you possibly dumb it farther to me when you're clearly the dumber one here? another 14 year old woke kid with a weird sense of superiority. how is he a pedophile you Dumbfuck, he's still a kid in the mt world. His mental age doesn't mean shit cause no one other than him knows he's been reincarnated. What do you suppose, he should go out with women his actual age? Then the person dating him would be considered a pedophile, ain't it? what are you, a 14 year old white girl? spare me the lectures on cp,pedophilia and shit, I'm not an American. these things don't even cross my mind, unlike you guys who link everything to such absurdities unnecessarily. |
Aug 13, 2022 2:23 PM
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Horny4Porny said: nVn123 said: I didn’t think not being American makes you immune to being a pedophile defenderHorny4Porny said: nVn123 said: you're just outing yourself now. Rudy was jacking off to CP while he got kicked out of the house and you’re defending him? You’re disgusting.Horny4Porny said: nVn123 said: a lot of words for a pedophile defenderswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: you haven’t countered any of my arguments you just say the same shit over and over again, and you’re wrong everytime. Just face it, Mushoku Tensei is fucking dogshit. Rudeus is a terrible main character in a generic world with flat characters and no charm. Rudy’s only development was that he could walk forward after being a shut in like that’s a big fucking deal but it’s not. Subaru did the same thing in season 2 and had even more development in the 1st season as well. You say Subaru has little development but then go and say how Rudy development but it’s the exact same shit that Subaru did but Subaru did it better, so you’re just being a biased hypocrite. You don’t even know your own characters. You’re laughably biased to the point that I have to dumb down shit to even get it across to you. You have no idea what you’re talking about.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: ive already given you plenty of examples but I guess you just aren’t smart enough to comprehend what I’m saying. Should I dumb it down a bit for my little buddy? Does my wittle MT fan need me to hold his hand?swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Except everyone knows that Subaru had great character development. Way better development than Rudy and it’s not close. Watch more anime and maybe you’ll have better opinions because now you’re wrong and you don’t even know your own story.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: except Re:zero is better with everything you just listed so you’re factually wrong. Better music, characters, development, plot, world building, character design, and is a much more mature story. I’ve literally countered all of your points and you say I’ve said nothing so you must’ve not even read what I said. You don’t even know what your own show is about since you’re calling Rujierd a violent warrior that developed into a father figure LMAO that’s just false. Rujierd had no character development, he was a static character, which is fine but don’t try to label him as something else. Re:Zero has the best character development of any isekai and it’s not close, that’s almost the purpose of Return by Death from a writing perspective. Everytime Subaru dies the characters around him change based on his interactions with them and you get to see how they develop from his first meeting with them with him vs the main timeline of the story. With Rem, you get to see her go from a person with 0 confidence in the shadow of her sister that’s also hot-headed and over-protective to someone that is able to become her own person and is able to make decisions without being rash. Rem and Emilia both had more character development than even Rudeus did, not just Mushoku’s side characters. Subaru had more character development than every character in Mushoku combined. If you didn’t get that then you didn’t even watch the show, or you’re just not capable of understanding it. Please go rewatch Mushoku because you obviously didn’t get the story. Maybe once you rewatch you’ll understand that it’s average at best.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: shit zero is already a better anime than Midshoku Shitsei! it’s crazy that Rudeus starts working with the Dragon God because the Man God threatens to kill Rudy’s family! Rudeus has erectile dysfunction after his lolI harem no character development Eris leaves him! Hope I didn’t spoil anything! Still a worse plot than Re:zero though.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: just like it’s a fact that Re:zero is better than Midshoku Shitsei! Glad you agreeswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: not reading that because you’re wrong and I’m right. Rudeus = boring. Eris = generic tsundere. Rujierd = boring. I’m not biased for Re:zero, I’m right.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: if you don’t think Emilia didn’t have character development you didn’t watch the show, so you obviously can’t have an opinion in this. Emilia before and after her trials are almost completely different characters. She became way more confident in herself and she was able to make decisions on her own instead of second guessing herself. Instead of a reactionary character she caused the reaction. Rujierd was the exact same character from the start of the show to the end of the show. Rujierd was never a violent warrior, he became violent because of a curse. Did you even watch the show? Eris had less development than Rem and Emilia. Rem went from a self-deprecating character to one that had faith in herself, and no longer felt like she was in her sister’s shadow. She finally felt like she had a purpose in life after Subaru saved her. She stopped being cold to everyone and opened up. If you say there was no character development in Re:Zero, you didn’t even watch past episode 1. Subaru developed more in episode 1 than Rudy did in the first 10 episodes.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: it’s average. No character aside from Rudy had any character development, they managed to all stay boring and flat. The world isn’t interesting, Rudy is a typical OP protagonist with a harem like every other isekai and he’s not even a good protagonist either. Most of the season felt like filler, especially when he was in the beast village. It’s just an extremely average show. People that say it’s the best isekai probably think that SAO is also the best isekai.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: erased had a terrible ending and was still better than MT, Summertime Render is a worse version of Re:Zero with a worse OST, worse characters, and worse world building. It’s still better than MT though. Also, both MC’s are still better than Rudeus. At least Subaru has real reasons to cry unlike Rudeus that cried because he got laid and ran off on by his loli harem girl. MT is generic as fuckswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mid Tensei doesn’t hold a candle to Re:Zero. Subaru might be the best MC of all time and Rudeus is generic. People hyped up Turning Point 2 to be one of the best episodes of all time but that shit was average at best compared to the peaks of Re:Zero. It’s just a show with nothing but fan service of panties and a harem like Rent a GF. Mid at best. If you don’t think Re:Zero is better, it’s because you aren’t smart enough to understand it.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: MT has no story, it’s just a harem anime like rent a GFswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mushoku mid at best imo. Same tier as SAOswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: mushoku tensei is objectively worse than re:zero. Worse characters. worse OST, worse worldbuilding, worse plot. The only thing Mushoku beats Re:zero on is the magic system, and that's barely.swagxmagician said: I think it’s easily the best isekai and I don’t think it’s close. Konosuba is really good, followed by Youjo Senki and maybe Mushoku Tensei, but I don’t think any other isekai I’ve ever seen has been close to as good as Re:Zero easily the best isekai lol what? Mushoku Tensei is objectively superior than Rezero. MT has incredible ost, far incredible world building (Rezero doesn't have any significant world building) and all the characters of MT are much more humane than shit-zero. Rezero's characters behave like fucking NPCs, only Subaru is somewhat rational, the rest like emilia and beatrice are extremely unlikable pieces of shit. The only argument shit zero fans have against MT is by calling rudeus a pedophile, which he isn't considering he is still a child in that world. But at the same time, He is leagues above that pathetic MC Subaru whose only existence is based on simping for emilia for no fucking reason. And don't get me started on the plot lol, MT has everything it needs to be called the grandfather of the isekai genre. Shit Zero is boring, the characters are uninteresting and bland, the plot goes nowhere, the setting was uninspired with almost zero world building, the story was cliche and the music is just meh. ReZero doesn't hold a candle to Mushoku Tensei, it's just a pretentious and superficial story with no depth whatsoever. You're just sprouting random BS at this point lmao. Bro thinks he is smarter after watching that repetitive piece of shit lmao. There are far more better shows of similar genre like erased and summertime render, which actually make sense. Also, subaru the best mc lol what? He is probably one of the worst mc I've ever seen, he suddenly goes from being an useless NEET to being a super reliable guy, while the other characters remain underdeveloped and static throughout the entire show. Heck even kazuya from rent a gf is somewhat less pathetic than this abomination of a character. World building is not necessary for every anime, particularly if it's not an isekai. (Even so summertime render has a better and more vibrant world than reZero lol) . Moreover a bad ending cannot downplay the likability of the entirety of the show(Erased). And your only argument against mt here is that it's Bad, but you have no strong reasons to support why, unlike me who just listed all the possible causes for why I think rezero is trash. are you sure we watched the same show my guy? Every character in MT had serious character development; Rudeus, Eris, Ruijerd and Paul being the most significant ones. Eris went on from being an annoying brat to a super wholesome, likable character. Ruijerd developed a lot too, from a violent, ruthless warrior to a kind, father like figure. Paul from being a carefree playboy to an actual mature and responsible adult. Rudeus had one of the best character development, he started redeeming himself slowly but progressively, learning from his past. ReZero fans shouldn't debate about stuff such as character development lol, the entire cast of rezero has little to zero personality whatsoever. Emilia is a bland af character, she has no interesting dialogues, no personality or development and she is completely useless, the only thing going for her is she's cute and that's all. I also don't like rem, she brings nothing to the table and her obsession with Subaru makes no sense either. The only character with character development was the insufferable mc, Subaru, whose apparently sole existence is to simp over emilia for no fucking reason. You're just biased af for rezero, that's clearly visible from your answers since I watched the entire show as well. No.Emilia had no character development, she remained a bland af character from starting to finish. She only has a limited vocabulary everytime we see her on screen. She solely exists for Subaru to be an idiot and lust over her and basically be a trophy waifu. She's a goal/prize rather than an actual character, a detriment to this series and is nothing more than a plot device. Confidence or whatever you're talking about is just an excuse to cover up for her negligible growth throughout the series. Ruijerd before meeting rudeus and eris didn't have a purpose, but eventually he developed a lot and finally had an ambition to pursue, i.e clearing the name of his superd race, which he initially gave up upon helplessly, and was just agonising about his past blunders. For a side character, that's decent enough character progression. "Eris had less development than rem and emilia". Lmao the internet and everyone else who watched both the shows says otherwise. MT unlike rezero had realistic character development. Mushoku has some of the most human characters ever. "Subaru developed more in episode 1 than rudy did in the first 10 episodes".Thats the point, you can't expect changes right away, his redeeming arc is slow but progressive, he gradually becomes a better person from an insufferable douchebag, this series is about rudeus living his life because he failed to do so in his previous one, also meanwhile learning from his past. This is what makes MT significantly better than rezero, the story has realistic humane characters, actions have consequences, the world building is immaculate, how the show addresses trauma and recovery from it. Also the animation and art style of MT is leagues above rezero, the production quality is top notch, the fights especially the dragon God vs rudeus crew fight was brilliantly executed and animated, compared to the lackluster ones in rezero. lmao good for you. facts don't care about opinions anyway lol. midshoku shitsei=no meaning Shit Zero=feels like an actual title. truly an anime deserving of it's title👑. don't mind the spoilers but why are you discussing random plot points here lmao. I have given enough reasons by now why I believe mt is better than reZero, but you had no sensible counter arguments against all these, except for repeatedly branding of Rudeus as an incel, which is true, but his development from this state is basically the point of the series. Animation, world building, character interactions and development, realism, music, story,etc.all of these makes MT superior to reZero, there is a reason why it's called the grandfather of the IseKai genre. You didn't counter any of my points, you just regurgitated everything I said back to me lol. Music and Plot favouritism can be subjective, but MT definitely had some of the best character development and world building seen in recent years, along with a strong cast of side characters, the reasons which made it immensely popular. "You're just not capable of understanding it" lmao this is the perfect excuse fans give when they know their show is trash. There are far more Intellectually stimulating shows then this one, with far more deep and mature themes. You don't need to be a genius to understand reZero. It also has some potential plot holes, the primary one being the return by death power. There were multiple ways to explain his special situation(drawing, writing, body language) but no he needs to say it in words despite clear restrictions. Even if it didn't work, he could have atleast tried it. "Subaru had better character development than every character of MT combined".Again, that's an exaggeration, backed up by nothing other than your biased-ness. To many people including me, Subaru's character development was almost non existent. Sure he went from being a shut in to a super reliable guy suddenly, but mentally he remained the same old crybaby that he was before, throwing tantrums and acting as if he owns the world. Also his obsession with emilia for no apparent reasons is cringy and creepy at the same time. Rudy on the other hand, developed slowly but progressively, eventually becoming better and better than his previous self. Also his change was visible, for an average viewer as well. Also, for the nth time, no emilia had no significant growth throughout the series, the one you talked about(confidence) is not some groundbreaking development, it's just maturity at best. She is just designed to be the perfect flawless waifu and that's it. Rem did have some good development but ultimately she's waifu bait as well, and I don't see her much relevant to the story. "Way better development" How exactly? Can you elaborate? "Way more than Rudy" Do you have reasons to prove how or is it just lip service? "Watch more anime" I don't need to watch more anime to understand that Subaru is a wimpass pathetic character with zero depth and likability. Judging by your replies from this thread, I'm probably older and smarter than you lol. Unlike you here, I tried countering each of your arguments point wise, while you resorted to silly little comebacks, as fitting for a nine year old like you. you're clearly as dumb as a rock, for a man who thinks he is smart. I regret even arguing with you at the first place, you have a very delusional sense of superiority. Go through the thread for once, I've literally tried writing down large paragraphs countering each of your arguments one by one, but you kept on responding the same 'I'm not reading. you're wrong, and I'm right' shit everytime. "Rudeus is a terrible main character". So is Subaru. The point is developing themselves forward from that point and rudy does it much better realistically, which I explained why in one of my previous replies. You're the one here who's constantly sucking on Subaru but for once you didn't explain why or how you think he has better development than rudy. "You have no idea what you're talking about". oh I do. The reason why I'm still here is explaining why I think MT is better. 'Dumb down shit to even get it across you" how can you possibly dumb it farther to me when you're clearly the dumber one here? another 14 year old woke kid with a weird sense of superiority. how is he a pedophile you Dumbfuck, he's still a kid in the mt world. His mental age doesn't mean shit cause no one other than him knows he's been reincarnated. What do you suppose, he should go out with women his actual age? Then the person dating him would be considered a pedophile, ain't it? what are you, a 14 year old white girl? spare me the lectures on cp,pedophilia and shit, I'm not an American. these things don't even cross my mind, unlike you guys who link everything to such absurdities unnecessarily. you know the deal, only Americans make a big deal out of these stuff, right? I already told you we in the Eastern world don't make a fuss out of these issues, cause they don't exist where we live, and these heinous concepts are beyond our capacity. also, I guess i told you why I don't believe rudeus is a pedophile, right? |
Aug 13, 2022 2:53 PM
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swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: yeah because being reincarnated and being able to do your entire life over again is extremely realistic character development right? Subaru had this exact same character development in season 2 when he met his parents again, but it was done better, and he also had more development during season 1 as well.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: you’re actually fucking delusional, I’ve literally given you examples on why Subaru is a better character you fucking hypocrite. Learn to read.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: you haven’t countered any of my arguments you just say the same shit over and over again, and you’re wrong everytime. Just face it, Mushoku Tensei is fucking dogshit. Rudeus is a terrible main character in a generic world with flat characters and no charm. Rudy’s only development was that he could walk forward after being a shut in like that’s a big fucking deal but it’s not. Subaru did the same thing in season 2 and had even more development in the 1st season as well. You say Subaru has little development but then go and say how Rudy development but it’s the exact same shit that Subaru did but Subaru did it better, so you’re just being a biased hypocrite. You don’t even know your own characters. You’re laughably biased to the point that I have to dumb down shit to even get it across to you. You have no idea what you’re talking about.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: ive already given you plenty of examples but I guess you just aren’t smart enough to comprehend what I’m saying. Should I dumb it down a bit for my little buddy? Does my wittle MT fan need me to hold his hand?swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Except everyone knows that Subaru had great character development. Way better development than Rudy and it’s not close. Watch more anime and maybe you’ll have better opinions because now you’re wrong and you don’t even know your own story.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: except Re:zero is better with everything you just listed so you’re factually wrong. Better music, characters, development, plot, world building, character design, and is a much more mature story. I’ve literally countered all of your points and you say I’ve said nothing so you must’ve not even read what I said. You don’t even know what your own show is about since you’re calling Rujierd a violent warrior that developed into a father figure LMAO that’s just false. Rujierd had no character development, he was a static character, which is fine but don’t try to label him as something else. Re:Zero has the best character development of any isekai and it’s not close, that’s almost the purpose of Return by Death from a writing perspective. Everytime Subaru dies the characters around him change based on his interactions with them and you get to see how they develop from his first meeting with them with him vs the main timeline of the story. With Rem, you get to see her go from a person with 0 confidence in the shadow of her sister that’s also hot-headed and over-protective to someone that is able to become her own person and is able to make decisions without being rash. Rem and Emilia both had more character development than even Rudeus did, not just Mushoku’s side characters. Subaru had more character development than every character in Mushoku combined. If you didn’t get that then you didn’t even watch the show, or you’re just not capable of understanding it. Please go rewatch Mushoku because you obviously didn’t get the story. Maybe once you rewatch you’ll understand that it’s average at best.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: shit zero is already a better anime than Midshoku Shitsei! it’s crazy that Rudeus starts working with the Dragon God because the Man God threatens to kill Rudy’s family! Rudeus has erectile dysfunction after his lolI harem no character development Eris leaves him! Hope I didn’t spoil anything! Still a worse plot than Re:zero though.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: just like it’s a fact that Re:zero is better than Midshoku Shitsei! Glad you agreeswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: not reading that because you’re wrong and I’m right. Rudeus = boring. Eris = generic tsundere. Rujierd = boring. I’m not biased for Re:zero, I’m right.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: if you don’t think Emilia didn’t have character development you didn’t watch the show, so you obviously can’t have an opinion in this. Emilia before and after her trials are almost completely different characters. She became way more confident in herself and she was able to make decisions on her own instead of second guessing herself. Instead of a reactionary character she caused the reaction. Rujierd was the exact same character from the start of the show to the end of the show. Rujierd was never a violent warrior, he became violent because of a curse. Did you even watch the show? Eris had less development than Rem and Emilia. Rem went from a self-deprecating character to one that had faith in herself, and no longer felt like she was in her sister’s shadow. She finally felt like she had a purpose in life after Subaru saved her. She stopped being cold to everyone and opened up. If you say there was no character development in Re:Zero, you didn’t even watch past episode 1. Subaru developed more in episode 1 than Rudy did in the first 10 episodes.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: it’s average. No character aside from Rudy had any character development, they managed to all stay boring and flat. The world isn’t interesting, Rudy is a typical OP protagonist with a harem like every other isekai and he’s not even a good protagonist either. Most of the season felt like filler, especially when he was in the beast village. It’s just an extremely average show. People that say it’s the best isekai probably think that SAO is also the best isekai.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: erased had a terrible ending and was still better than MT, Summertime Render is a worse version of Re:Zero with a worse OST, worse characters, and worse world building. It’s still better than MT though. Also, both MC’s are still better than Rudeus. At least Subaru has real reasons to cry unlike Rudeus that cried because he got laid and ran off on by his loli harem girl. MT is generic as fuckswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mid Tensei doesn’t hold a candle to Re:Zero. Subaru might be the best MC of all time and Rudeus is generic. People hyped up Turning Point 2 to be one of the best episodes of all time but that shit was average at best compared to the peaks of Re:Zero. It’s just a show with nothing but fan service of panties and a harem like Rent a GF. Mid at best. If you don’t think Re:Zero is better, it’s because you aren’t smart enough to understand it.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: MT has no story, it’s just a harem anime like rent a GFswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mushoku mid at best imo. Same tier as SAOswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: mushoku tensei is objectively worse than re:zero. Worse characters. worse OST, worse worldbuilding, worse plot. The only thing Mushoku beats Re:zero on is the magic system, and that's barely.swagxmagician said: I think it’s easily the best isekai and I don’t think it’s close. Konosuba is really good, followed by Youjo Senki and maybe Mushoku Tensei, but I don’t think any other isekai I’ve ever seen has been close to as good as Re:Zero easily the best isekai lol what? Mushoku Tensei is objectively superior than Rezero. MT has incredible ost, far incredible world building (Rezero doesn't have any significant world building) and all the characters of MT are much more humane than shit-zero. Rezero's characters behave like fucking NPCs, only Subaru is somewhat rational, the rest like emilia and beatrice are extremely unlikable pieces of shit. The only argument shit zero fans have against MT is by calling rudeus a pedophile, which he isn't considering he is still a child in that world. But at the same time, He is leagues above that pathetic MC Subaru whose only existence is based on simping for emilia for no fucking reason. And don't get me started on the plot lol, MT has everything it needs to be called the grandfather of the isekai genre. Shit Zero is boring, the characters are uninteresting and bland, the plot goes nowhere, the setting was uninspired with almost zero world building, the story was cliche and the music is just meh. ReZero doesn't hold a candle to Mushoku Tensei, it's just a pretentious and superficial story with no depth whatsoever. You're just sprouting random BS at this point lmao. Bro thinks he is smarter after watching that repetitive piece of shit lmao. There are far more better shows of similar genre like erased and summertime render, which actually make sense. Also, subaru the best mc lol what? He is probably one of the worst mc I've ever seen, he suddenly goes from being an useless NEET to being a super reliable guy, while the other characters remain underdeveloped and static throughout the entire show. Heck even kazuya from rent a gf is somewhat less pathetic than this abomination of a character. World building is not necessary for every anime, particularly if it's not an isekai. (Even so summertime render has a better and more vibrant world than reZero lol) . Moreover a bad ending cannot downplay the likability of the entirety of the show(Erased). And your only argument against mt here is that it's Bad, but you have no strong reasons to support why, unlike me who just listed all the possible causes for why I think rezero is trash. are you sure we watched the same show my guy? Every character in MT had serious character development; Rudeus, Eris, Ruijerd and Paul being the most significant ones. Eris went on from being an annoying brat to a super wholesome, likable character. Ruijerd developed a lot too, from a violent, ruthless warrior to a kind, father like figure. Paul from being a carefree playboy to an actual mature and responsible adult. Rudeus had one of the best character development, he started redeeming himself slowly but progressively, learning from his past. ReZero fans shouldn't debate about stuff such as character development lol, the entire cast of rezero has little to zero personality whatsoever. Emilia is a bland af character, she has no interesting dialogues, no personality or development and she is completely useless, the only thing going for her is she's cute and that's all. I also don't like rem, she brings nothing to the table and her obsession with Subaru makes no sense either. The only character with character development was the insufferable mc, Subaru, whose apparently sole existence is to simp over emilia for no fucking reason. You're just biased af for rezero, that's clearly visible from your answers since I watched the entire show as well. No.Emilia had no character development, she remained a bland af character from starting to finish. She only has a limited vocabulary everytime we see her on screen. She solely exists for Subaru to be an idiot and lust over her and basically be a trophy waifu. She's a goal/prize rather than an actual character, a detriment to this series and is nothing more than a plot device. Confidence or whatever you're talking about is just an excuse to cover up for her negligible growth throughout the series. Ruijerd before meeting rudeus and eris didn't have a purpose, but eventually he developed a lot and finally had an ambition to pursue, i.e clearing the name of his superd race, which he initially gave up upon helplessly, and was just agonising about his past blunders. For a side character, that's decent enough character progression. "Eris had less development than rem and emilia". Lmao the internet and everyone else who watched both the shows says otherwise. MT unlike rezero had realistic character development. Mushoku has some of the most human characters ever. "Subaru developed more in episode 1 than rudy did in the first 10 episodes".Thats the point, you can't expect changes right away, his redeeming arc is slow but progressive, he gradually becomes a better person from an insufferable douchebag, this series is about rudeus living his life because he failed to do so in his previous one, also meanwhile learning from his past. This is what makes MT significantly better than rezero, the story has realistic humane characters, actions have consequences, the world building is immaculate, how the show addresses trauma and recovery from it. Also the animation and art style of MT is leagues above rezero, the production quality is top notch, the fights especially the dragon God vs rudeus crew fight was brilliantly executed and animated, compared to the lackluster ones in rezero. lmao good for you. facts don't care about opinions anyway lol. midshoku shitsei=no meaning Shit Zero=feels like an actual title. truly an anime deserving of it's title👑. don't mind the spoilers but why are you discussing random plot points here lmao. I have given enough reasons by now why I believe mt is better than reZero, but you had no sensible counter arguments against all these, except for repeatedly branding of Rudeus as an incel, which is true, but his development from this state is basically the point of the series. Animation, world building, character interactions and development, realism, music, story,etc.all of these makes MT superior to reZero, there is a reason why it's called the grandfather of the IseKai genre. You didn't counter any of my points, you just regurgitated everything I said back to me lol. Music and Plot favouritism can be subjective, but MT definitely had some of the best character development and world building seen in recent years, along with a strong cast of side characters, the reasons which made it immensely popular. "You're just not capable of understanding it" lmao this is the perfect excuse fans give when they know their show is trash. There are far more Intellectually stimulating shows then this one, with far more deep and mature themes. You don't need to be a genius to understand reZero. It also has some potential plot holes, the primary one being the return by death power. There were multiple ways to explain his special situation(drawing, writing, body language) but no he needs to say it in words despite clear restrictions. Even if it didn't work, he could have atleast tried it. "Subaru had better character development than every character of MT combined".Again, that's an exaggeration, backed up by nothing other than your biased-ness. To many people including me, Subaru's character development was almost non existent. Sure he went from being a shut in to a super reliable guy suddenly, but mentally he remained the same old crybaby that he was before, throwing tantrums and acting as if he owns the world. Also his obsession with emilia for no apparent reasons is cringy and creepy at the same time. Rudy on the other hand, developed slowly but progressively, eventually becoming better and better than his previous self. Also his change was visible, for an average viewer as well. Also, for the nth time, no emilia had no significant growth throughout the series, the one you talked about(confidence) is not some groundbreaking development, it's just maturity at best. She is just designed to be the perfect flawless waifu and that's it. Rem did have some good development but ultimately she's waifu bait as well, and I don't see her much relevant to the story. "Way better development" How exactly? Can you elaborate? "Way more than Rudy" Do you have reasons to prove how or is it just lip service? "Watch more anime" I don't need to watch more anime to understand that Subaru is a wimpass pathetic character with zero depth and likability. Judging by your replies from this thread, I'm probably older and smarter than you lol. Unlike you here, I tried countering each of your arguments point wise, while you resorted to silly little comebacks, as fitting for a nine year old like you. you're clearly as dumb as a rock, for a man who thinks he is smart. I regret even arguing with you at the first place, you have a very delusional sense of superiority. Go through the thread for once, I've literally tried writing down large paragraphs countering each of your arguments one by one, but you kept on responding the same 'I'm not reading. you're wrong, and I'm right' shit everytime. "Rudeus is a terrible main character". So is Subaru. The point is developing themselves forward from that point and rudy does it much better realistically, which I explained why in one of my previous replies. You're the one here who's constantly sucking on Subaru but for once you didn't explain why or how you think he has better development than rudy. "You have no idea what you're talking about". oh I do. The reason why I'm still here is explaining why I think MT is better. 'Dumb down shit to even get it across you" how can you possibly dumb it farther to me when you're clearly the dumber one here? Where the fuck did you even countered my points? The only thing I remember is you saying Subaru has better character development because he has return by death, and everytime he returns his interactions with the people around him again makes him more developed than his previous checkpoint. Thats not exactly development, that's just hax, and what he's gaining repetitively is just called experience to how to prevent death the next time. That's not realistic character development at all, and is more likely a plot device. Rudy's development is far more humane and realistic than this, he goes on from being an incel/neckbeard to a responsible, calm minded rational person, slowly moving on from his past. And I've said it before, this seems far more natural. Overall, Subaru's character development is sudden, abrupt and kind of unnatural, while Rudy's ch. development is slow, natural and above all, realistic. both are fictional. The realism I'm talking about is based on how accurately the characters interact in correspondence to actual human behavior, not of the story as a whole. now that's pretty damn obvious, a 'smart' guy like you should've realised that. rudy as a person was down bad before he got reincarnated, but he developed much better as a person and this change was quite clearly visible as you went through the first ep. down to the last one. Subaru as a person didn't change much, sure he became more reliable, more powerful and all thanks to his ability, but he still felt like the same character as he was before deep within even after all those events. |
Aug 13, 2022 2:56 PM
#117
| Re:Zero is the best anime & lightnovel also better than any manga like Berserk. People who say Mushoku Tensei i hope you will read your first book in some point your life, defending garbage tensei and not even that comparing with actual peak fictions like Re:Zero. Definition of Trash Taste. |
OkeanixAug 13, 2022 3:07 PM
 Looking for better series than Re:Zero |
Aug 13, 2022 3:04 PM
#118
nVn123 said: swagxmagician said: I think it’s easily the best isekai and I don’t think it’s close. Konosuba is really good, followed by Youjo Senki and maybe Mushoku Tensei, but I don’t think any other isekai I’ve ever seen has been close to as good as Re:Zero easily the best isekai lol what? Mushoku Tensei is objectively superior than Rezero. Let's see Re:Zero has - Superior Writing (no inconsistency, no forced plot, no plot holes, no plot armor) - Superior Characters (each one of them is unique, has their own motivations, has their own goal, has their own opinions, has their own growth) - Superior World & Lore (Re:Zero mystery style lorebuilding around Stars, World, Witches etc. far superior than any generic MT concept) - Superior Story (Re:Zero each arc different than each other and has amazing story in each arc, everything connected to each other) - Better Character Development (Each Re:Zero character changes through the story while Rudeus stays the same entire novel) - Better Musics & OSTs - Better Voice Acting want me go on? I can't think single thing MT is better lmao. |
Looking for better series than Re:Zero |
Aug 13, 2022 3:09 PM
#119
nVn123 said: Horny4Porny said: nVn123 said: Horny4Porny said: nVn123 said: you're just outing yourself now. Rudy was jacking off to CP while he got kicked out of the house and you’re defending him? You’re disgusting.Horny4Porny said: nVn123 said: a lot of words for a pedophile defenderswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: you haven’t countered any of my arguments you just say the same shit over and over again, and you’re wrong everytime. Just face it, Mushoku Tensei is fucking dogshit. Rudeus is a terrible main character in a generic world with flat characters and no charm. Rudy’s only development was that he could walk forward after being a shut in like that’s a big fucking deal but it’s not. Subaru did the same thing in season 2 and had even more development in the 1st season as well. You say Subaru has little development but then go and say how Rudy development but it’s the exact same shit that Subaru did but Subaru did it better, so you’re just being a biased hypocrite. You don’t even know your own characters. You’re laughably biased to the point that I have to dumb down shit to even get it across to you. You have no idea what you’re talking about.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: ive already given you plenty of examples but I guess you just aren’t smart enough to comprehend what I’m saying. Should I dumb it down a bit for my little buddy? Does my wittle MT fan need me to hold his hand?swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Except everyone knows that Subaru had great character development. Way better development than Rudy and it’s not close. Watch more anime and maybe you’ll have better opinions because now you’re wrong and you don’t even know your own story.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: except Re:zero is better with everything you just listed so you’re factually wrong. Better music, characters, development, plot, world building, character design, and is a much more mature story. I’ve literally countered all of your points and you say I’ve said nothing so you must’ve not even read what I said. You don’t even know what your own show is about since you’re calling Rujierd a violent warrior that developed into a father figure LMAO that’s just false. Rujierd had no character development, he was a static character, which is fine but don’t try to label him as something else. Re:Zero has the best character development of any isekai and it’s not close, that’s almost the purpose of Return by Death from a writing perspective. Everytime Subaru dies the characters around him change based on his interactions with them and you get to see how they develop from his first meeting with them with him vs the main timeline of the story. With Rem, you get to see her go from a person with 0 confidence in the shadow of her sister that’s also hot-headed and over-protective to someone that is able to become her own person and is able to make decisions without being rash. Rem and Emilia both had more character development than even Rudeus did, not just Mushoku’s side characters. Subaru had more character development than every character in Mushoku combined. If you didn’t get that then you didn’t even watch the show, or you’re just not capable of understanding it. Please go rewatch Mushoku because you obviously didn’t get the story. Maybe once you rewatch you’ll understand that it’s average at best.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: shit zero is already a better anime than Midshoku Shitsei! it’s crazy that Rudeus starts working with the Dragon God because the Man God threatens to kill Rudy’s family! Rudeus has erectile dysfunction after his lolI harem no character development Eris leaves him! Hope I didn’t spoil anything! Still a worse plot than Re:zero though.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: just like it’s a fact that Re:zero is better than Midshoku Shitsei! Glad you agreeswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: not reading that because you’re wrong and I’m right. Rudeus = boring. Eris = generic tsundere. Rujierd = boring. I’m not biased for Re:zero, I’m right.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: if you don’t think Emilia didn’t have character development you didn’t watch the show, so you obviously can’t have an opinion in this. Emilia before and after her trials are almost completely different characters. She became way more confident in herself and she was able to make decisions on her own instead of second guessing herself. Instead of a reactionary character she caused the reaction. Rujierd was the exact same character from the start of the show to the end of the show. Rujierd was never a violent warrior, he became violent because of a curse. Did you even watch the show? Eris had less development than Rem and Emilia. Rem went from a self-deprecating character to one that had faith in herself, and no longer felt like she was in her sister’s shadow. She finally felt like she had a purpose in life after Subaru saved her. She stopped being cold to everyone and opened up. If you say there was no character development in Re:Zero, you didn’t even watch past episode 1. Subaru developed more in episode 1 than Rudy did in the first 10 episodes.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: it’s average. No character aside from Rudy had any character development, they managed to all stay boring and flat. The world isn’t interesting, Rudy is a typical OP protagonist with a harem like every other isekai and he’s not even a good protagonist either. Most of the season felt like filler, especially when he was in the beast village. It’s just an extremely average show. People that say it’s the best isekai probably think that SAO is also the best isekai.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: erased had a terrible ending and was still better than MT, Summertime Render is a worse version of Re:Zero with a worse OST, worse characters, and worse world building. It’s still better than MT though. Also, both MC’s are still better than Rudeus. At least Subaru has real reasons to cry unlike Rudeus that cried because he got laid and ran off on by his loli harem girl. MT is generic as fuckswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mid Tensei doesn’t hold a candle to Re:Zero. Subaru might be the best MC of all time and Rudeus is generic. People hyped up Turning Point 2 to be one of the best episodes of all time but that shit was average at best compared to the peaks of Re:Zero. It’s just a show with nothing but fan service of panties and a harem like Rent a GF. Mid at best. If you don’t think Re:Zero is better, it’s because you aren’t smart enough to understand it.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: MT has no story, it’s just a harem anime like rent a GFswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mushoku mid at best imo. Same tier as SAOswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: mushoku tensei is objectively worse than re:zero. Worse characters. worse OST, worse worldbuilding, worse plot. The only thing Mushoku beats Re:zero on is the magic system, and that's barely.swagxmagician said: I think it’s easily the best isekai and I don’t think it’s close. Konosuba is really good, followed by Youjo Senki and maybe Mushoku Tensei, but I don’t think any other isekai I’ve ever seen has been close to as good as Re:Zero easily the best isekai lol what? Mushoku Tensei is objectively superior than Rezero. MT has incredible ost, far incredible world building (Rezero doesn't have any significant world building) and all the characters of MT are much more humane than shit-zero. Rezero's characters behave like fucking NPCs, only Subaru is somewhat rational, the rest like emilia and beatrice are extremely unlikable pieces of shit. The only argument shit zero fans have against MT is by calling rudeus a pedophile, which he isn't considering he is still a child in that world. But at the same time, He is leagues above that pathetic MC Subaru whose only existence is based on simping for emilia for no fucking reason. And don't get me started on the plot lol, MT has everything it needs to be called the grandfather of the isekai genre. Shit Zero is boring, the characters are uninteresting and bland, the plot goes nowhere, the setting was uninspired with almost zero world building, the story was cliche and the music is just meh. ReZero doesn't hold a candle to Mushoku Tensei, it's just a pretentious and superficial story with no depth whatsoever. You're just sprouting random BS at this point lmao. Bro thinks he is smarter after watching that repetitive piece of shit lmao. There are far more better shows of similar genre like erased and summertime render, which actually make sense. Also, subaru the best mc lol what? He is probably one of the worst mc I've ever seen, he suddenly goes from being an useless NEET to being a super reliable guy, while the other characters remain underdeveloped and static throughout the entire show. Heck even kazuya from rent a gf is somewhat less pathetic than this abomination of a character. World building is not necessary for every anime, particularly if it's not an isekai. (Even so summertime render has a better and more vibrant world than reZero lol) . Moreover a bad ending cannot downplay the likability of the entirety of the show(Erased). And your only argument against mt here is that it's Bad, but you have no strong reasons to support why, unlike me who just listed all the possible causes for why I think rezero is trash. are you sure we watched the same show my guy? Every character in MT had serious character development; Rudeus, Eris, Ruijerd and Paul being the most significant ones. Eris went on from being an annoying brat to a super wholesome, likable character. Ruijerd developed a lot too, from a violent, ruthless warrior to a kind, father like figure. Paul from being a carefree playboy to an actual mature and responsible adult. Rudeus had one of the best character development, he started redeeming himself slowly but progressively, learning from his past. ReZero fans shouldn't debate about stuff such as character development lol, the entire cast of rezero has little to zero personality whatsoever. Emilia is a bland af character, she has no interesting dialogues, no personality or development and she is completely useless, the only thing going for her is she's cute and that's all. I also don't like rem, she brings nothing to the table and her obsession with Subaru makes no sense either. The only character with character development was the insufferable mc, Subaru, whose apparently sole existence is to simp over emilia for no fucking reason. You're just biased af for rezero, that's clearly visible from your answers since I watched the entire show as well. No.Emilia had no character development, she remained a bland af character from starting to finish. She only has a limited vocabulary everytime we see her on screen. She solely exists for Subaru to be an idiot and lust over her and basically be a trophy waifu. She's a goal/prize rather than an actual character, a detriment to this series and is nothing more than a plot device. Confidence or whatever you're talking about is just an excuse to cover up for her negligible growth throughout the series. Ruijerd before meeting rudeus and eris didn't have a purpose, but eventually he developed a lot and finally had an ambition to pursue, i.e clearing the name of his superd race, which he initially gave up upon helplessly, and was just agonising about his past blunders. For a side character, that's decent enough character progression. "Eris had less development than rem and emilia". Lmao the internet and everyone else who watched both the shows says otherwise. MT unlike rezero had realistic character development. Mushoku has some of the most human characters ever. "Subaru developed more in episode 1 than rudy did in the first 10 episodes".Thats the point, you can't expect changes right away, his redeeming arc is slow but progressive, he gradually becomes a better person from an insufferable douchebag, this series is about rudeus living his life because he failed to do so in his previous one, also meanwhile learning from his past. This is what makes MT significantly better than rezero, the story has realistic humane characters, actions have consequences, the world building is immaculate, how the show addresses trauma and recovery from it. Also the animation and art style of MT is leagues above rezero, the production quality is top notch, the fights especially the dragon God vs rudeus crew fight was brilliantly executed and animated, compared to the lackluster ones in rezero. lmao good for you. facts don't care about opinions anyway lol. midshoku shitsei=no meaning Shit Zero=feels like an actual title. truly an anime deserving of it's title👑. don't mind the spoilers but why are you discussing random plot points here lmao. I have given enough reasons by now why I believe mt is better than reZero, but you had no sensible counter arguments against all these, except for repeatedly branding of Rudeus as an incel, which is true, but his development from this state is basically the point of the series. Animation, world building, character interactions and development, realism, music, story,etc.all of these makes MT superior to reZero, there is a reason why it's called the grandfather of the IseKai genre. You didn't counter any of my points, you just regurgitated everything I said back to me lol. Music and Plot favouritism can be subjective, but MT definitely had some of the best character development and world building seen in recent years, along with a strong cast of side characters, the reasons which made it immensely popular. "You're just not capable of understanding it" lmao this is the perfect excuse fans give when they know their show is trash. There are far more Intellectually stimulating shows then this one, with far more deep and mature themes. You don't need to be a genius to understand reZero. It also has some potential plot holes, the primary one being the return by death power. There were multiple ways to explain his special situation(drawing, writing, body language) but no he needs to say it in words despite clear restrictions. Even if it didn't work, he could have atleast tried it. "Subaru had better character development than every character of MT combined".Again, that's an exaggeration, backed up by nothing other than your biased-ness. To many people including me, Subaru's character development was almost non existent. Sure he went from being a shut in to a super reliable guy suddenly, but mentally he remained the same old crybaby that he was before, throwing tantrums and acting as if he owns the world. Also his obsession with emilia for no apparent reasons is cringy and creepy at the same time. Rudy on the other hand, developed slowly but progressively, eventually becoming better and better than his previous self. Also his change was visible, for an average viewer as well. Also, for the nth time, no emilia had no significant growth throughout the series, the one you talked about(confidence) is not some groundbreaking development, it's just maturity at best. She is just designed to be the perfect flawless waifu and that's it. Rem did have some good development but ultimately she's waifu bait as well, and I don't see her much relevant to the story. "Way better development" How exactly? Can you elaborate? "Way more than Rudy" Do you have reasons to prove how or is it just lip service? "Watch more anime" I don't need to watch more anime to understand that Subaru is a wimpass pathetic character with zero depth and likability. Judging by your replies from this thread, I'm probably older and smarter than you lol. Unlike you here, I tried countering each of your arguments point wise, while you resorted to silly little comebacks, as fitting for a nine year old like you. you're clearly as dumb as a rock, for a man who thinks he is smart. I regret even arguing with you at the first place, you have a very delusional sense of superiority. Go through the thread for once, I've literally tried writing down large paragraphs countering each of your arguments one by one, but you kept on responding the same 'I'm not reading. you're wrong, and I'm right' shit everytime. "Rudeus is a terrible main character". So is Subaru. The point is developing themselves forward from that point and rudy does it much better realistically, which I explained why in one of my previous replies. You're the one here who's constantly sucking on Subaru but for once you didn't explain why or how you think he has better development than rudy. "You have no idea what you're talking about". oh I do. The reason why I'm still here is explaining why I think MT is better. 'Dumb down shit to even get it across you" how can you possibly dumb it farther to me when you're clearly the dumber one here? another 14 year old woke kid with a weird sense of superiority. how is he a pedophile you Dumbfuck, he's still a kid in the mt world. His mental age doesn't mean shit cause no one other than him knows he's been reincarnated. What do you suppose, he should go out with women his actual age? Then the person dating him would be considered a pedophile, ain't it? what are you, a 14 year old white girl? spare me the lectures on cp,pedophilia and shit, I'm not an American. these things don't even cross my mind, unlike you guys who link everything to such absurdities unnecessarily. you know the deal, only Americans make a big deal out of these stuff, right? I already told you we in the Eastern world don't make a fuss out of these issues, cause they don't exist where we live, and these heinous concepts are beyond our capacity. also, I guess i told you why I don't believe rudeus is a pedophile, right? Lmao, this is true that the "p" word is mostly used by Americans and they cry abt it on the internet, no wonder why they are called the stupidest people on earth ( i didn't say all americans dont feel attacked if an American is reading this ) |
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Aug 13, 2022 3:27 PM
#120
Okeanix said: Re:Zero is the best anime & lightnovel also better than any manga like Berserk. People who say Mushoku Tensei i hope you will read your first book in some point your life, defending garbage tensei and not even that comparing with actual peak fictions like Re:Zero. Definition of Trash Taste. Peak fiction lol 😂🤣😹. How many fiction have you actually read apart from the bedtime stories your grandmother used to read to you? Also the audacity to compare shit zero with an actual masterpiece like berserk lmao. Are you sure you're not high now? ShitZero is nowhere near the best anime shows, and everyone knows that. Try watching actual good shows instead of torturing yourself with this abomination of an anime. |
Aug 13, 2022 3:55 PM
#121
nVn123 said: Okeanix said: Re:Zero is the best anime & lightnovel also better than any manga like Berserk. People who say Mushoku Tensei i hope you will read your first book in some point your life, defending garbage tensei and not even that comparing with actual peak fictions like Re:Zero. Definition of Trash Taste. Peak fiction lol 😂🤣😹. How many fiction have you actually read apart from the bedtime stories your grandmother used to read to you? Also the audacity to compare shit zero with an actual masterpiece like berserk lmao. Are you sure you're not high now? ShitZero is nowhere near the best anime shows, and everyone knows that. Try watching actual good shows instead of torturing yourself with this abomination of an anime. As a Re zero and mushoku tensei enjoyer I am dissapointed in this conversation |
Aug 13, 2022 4:11 PM
#122
| I think the re zero LN is but I don’t like the anime that much cause it’s not finished and it’s slower so the character development is harder for some people to see |
Aug 13, 2022 4:16 PM
#124
Okeanix said: nVn123 said: swagxmagician said: I think it’s easily the best isekai and I don’t think it’s close. Konosuba is really good, followed by Youjo Senki and maybe Mushoku Tensei, but I don’t think any other isekai I’ve ever seen has been close to as good as Re:Zero easily the best isekai lol what? Mushoku Tensei is objectively superior than Rezero. Let's see Re:Zero has - Superior Writing (no inconsistency, no forced plot, no plot holes, no plot armor) - Superior Characters (each one of them is unique, has their own motivations, has their own goal, has their own opinions, has their own growth) - Superior World & Lore (Re:Zero mystery style lorebuilding around Stars, World, Witches etc. far superior than any generic MT concept) - Superior Story (Re:Zero each arc different than each other and has amazing story in each arc, everything connected to each other) - Better Character Development (Each Re:Zero character changes through the story while Rudeus stays the same entire novel) - Better Musics & OSTs - Better Voice Acting want me go on? I can't think single thing MT is better lmao. its amazing how wrong can one person be. let me break down your bubble and summarise some bits for you in bullet points. 1) The animation is objectively inferior to MT. 2) The world building is almost non existent compared to MT. 3) The characters were uninteresting and flat, they all felt mechanical and had zero humane touch to them except Subaru. The development is superficial, the dialogues were boring and pretentious. 4) The setting was boring and uninspired, the battle choreography was terrible(the whale fight for instance). 5) The shows attempt at comedy were completely pathetic. 6)The ending of the Anime was underwhelming. 7) Plot Holes? The anime didn't explain two major plot points. a) why can't he describe his situation by writing down on a paper? b) why did he get reincarnated at the first place? Plot armour? He gets away everytime with his blunders just because he has the return by death ability, unlike MT where actions have actual consequences. Instead of getting a 'fuck off' as a reaction to his attitude, everything orbits around him, which is utter nonsense. 8) The romance is awkward and out of place. 9) No clear picture about the plot progression and the significance of some characters. 10)Music and OSTS are subjective opinion, unlike some other criteria. Overall, it's a decent show at best(an above average isekai with a cool concept) but is nowhere near as great as the fanboys claim it to be. MT however is rightfully called the grandfather of the isekai genre, because it's special and deserved to be called so. |
Aug 13, 2022 4:21 PM
#125
| Why is this still a question when the "objectively" correct answer is Re: Zero? Among modern isekais, it's the only one with a genuinely believable and well-developed romance. |
RioFSAug 13, 2022 4:25 PM
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Aug 13, 2022 4:24 PM
#126
| Not when the original Digimon Adventure exists. |
Aug 13, 2022 6:11 PM
#127
| Idk if I can say the best but I would say it's my most liked one. |
 My biggest regret: Reading all 200+ chapters of Kanojo, Okarishimasu |
Aug 13, 2022 6:14 PM
#128
| Looks like the No. 1 Re:Zero dickrider is here. Also, it's obvious that this is a bait thread. |
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Aug 13, 2022 7:00 PM
#129
| For me.. YES. It's probably the most unique when it comes to an isekai series. The fact that its more of a pychological anime than a fantasy adventure makes it stand out compared to the rest. |
Aug 13, 2022 7:33 PM
#130
| It's not only the best isekai but the best thing ever created by visual media and it's collateral don't downgrade it by compare with flithy, incel lolicon isekai like mushoku tensei |
| The most dangerous irony is, people are angry with others because of their own incompetence |
Aug 13, 2022 8:33 PM
#131
| I would have to say yes too. I enjoy Overlord more, but Re:Zero is undoubtedly better. nVn123 said: Okeanix said: nVn123 said: swagxmagician said: I think it’s easily the best isekai and I don’t think it’s close. Konosuba is really good, followed by Youjo Senki and maybe Mushoku Tensei, but I don’t think any other isekai I’ve ever seen has been close to as good as Re:Zero easily the best isekai lol what? Mushoku Tensei is objectively superior than Rezero. Let's see Re:Zero has - Superior Writing (no inconsistency, no forced plot, no plot holes, no plot armor) - Superior Characters (each one of them is unique, has their own motivations, has their own goal, has their own opinions, has their own growth) - Superior World & Lore (Re:Zero mystery style lorebuilding around Stars, World, Witches etc. far superior than any generic MT concept) - Superior Story (Re:Zero each arc different than each other and has amazing story in each arc, everything connected to each other) - Better Character Development (Each Re:Zero character changes through the story while Rudeus stays the same entire novel) - Better Musics & OSTs - Better Voice Acting want me go on? I can't think single thing MT is better lmao. its amazing how wrong can one person be. let me break down your bubble and summarise some bits for you in bullet points. 1) The animation is objectively inferior to MT. 2) The world building is almost non existent compared to MT. 3) The characters were uninteresting and flat, they all felt mechanical and had zero humane touch to them except Subaru. The development is superficial, the dialogues were boring and pretentious. 4) The setting was boring and uninspired, the battle choreography was terrible(the whale fight for instance). 5) The shows attempt at comedy were completely pathetic. 6)The ending of the Anime was underwhelming. 7) Plot Holes? The anime didn't explain two major plot points. a) why can't he describe his situation by writing down on a paper? b) why did he get reincarnated at the first place? Plot armour? He gets away everytime with his blunders just because he has the return by death ability, unlike MT where actions have actual consequences. Instead of getting a 'fuck off' as a reaction to his attitude, everything orbits around him, which is utter nonsense. 8) The romance is awkward and out of place. 9) No clear picture about the plot progression and the significance of some characters. 10)Music and OSTS are subjective opinion, unlike some other criteria. Overall, it's a decent show at best(an above average isekai with a cool concept) but is nowhere near as great as the fanboys claim it to be. MT however is rightfully called the grandfather of the isekai genre, because it's special and deserved to be called so. You forgot about something that hurts your "grandfather of Isekai": The unnecessary ecchi stuff. Don't get me wrong: I don't mind a jiggly bust and a panty shot, but the way its applied ruins the gravitas of the story. It's like the jokes in Marvel movies. The touching moments in Mushoku Tensei just never settled because of this, either by you having ill timed ecchi or the pervy protag thinking about it every opportunity he gets. I haven't seen S02 yet mind you, but, with all the circle-jerk Mushoku Tensei was getting, I was left disappointed with the S01, disregarding how beautiful it was. Re:Zero is no Cowboy Beebop either, but the drama holds up better and kept me more invested in the follow-ups. |
Mist878Aug 13, 2022 8:45 PM
Aug 13, 2022 9:07 PM
#132
RioFS said: Why is this still a question when the "objectively" correct answer is Re: Zero? Among modern isekais, it's the only one with a genuinely believable and well-developed romance. "well developed romance" 🤓🤓🤓 someone who doesn't understand what romance actually is. |
Aug 13, 2022 9:19 PM
#133
| The shorter answer is yes. The longer answer... is hell yes. |
Aug 13, 2022 9:23 PM
#134
| Haven't seen any real isekai to be perfectly honest (I know shocking right?) but I've heard great things about Re:Zero |
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Aug 13, 2022 9:45 PM
#136
Mist878 said: I would have to say yes too. I enjoy Overlord more, but Re:Zero is undoubtedly better. nVn123 said: Okeanix said: nVn123 said: swagxmagician said: I think it’s easily the best isekai and I don’t think it’s close. Konosuba is really good, followed by Youjo Senki and maybe Mushoku Tensei, but I don’t think any other isekai I’ve ever seen has been close to as good as Re:Zero easily the best isekai lol what? Mushoku Tensei is objectively superior than Rezero. Let's see Re:Zero has - Superior Writing (no inconsistency, no forced plot, no plot holes, no plot armor) - Superior Characters (each one of them is unique, has their own motivations, has their own goal, has their own opinions, has their own growth) - Superior World & Lore (Re:Zero mystery style lorebuilding around Stars, World, Witches etc. far superior than any generic MT concept) - Superior Story (Re:Zero each arc different than each other and has amazing story in each arc, everything connected to each other) - Better Character Development (Each Re:Zero character changes through the story while Rudeus stays the same entire novel) - Better Musics & OSTs - Better Voice Acting want me go on? I can't think single thing MT is better lmao. its amazing how wrong can one person be. let me break down your bubble and summarise some bits for you in bullet points. 1) The animation is objectively inferior to MT. 2) The world building is almost non existent compared to MT. 3) The characters were uninteresting and flat, they all felt mechanical and had zero humane touch to them except Subaru. The development is superficial, the dialogues were boring and pretentious. 4) The setting was boring and uninspired, the battle choreography was terrible(the whale fight for instance). 5) The shows attempt at comedy were completely pathetic. 6)The ending of the Anime was underwhelming. 7) Plot Holes? The anime didn't explain two major plot points. a) why can't he describe his situation by writing down on a paper? b) why did he get reincarnated at the first place? Plot armour? He gets away everytime with his blunders just because he has the return by death ability, unlike MT where actions have actual consequences. Instead of getting a 'fuck off' as a reaction to his attitude, everything orbits around him, which is utter nonsense. 8) The romance is awkward and out of place. 9) No clear picture about the plot progression and the significance of some characters. 10)Music and OSTS are subjective opinion, unlike some other criteria. Overall, it's a decent show at best(an above average isekai with a cool concept) but is nowhere near as great as the fanboys claim it to be. MT however is rightfully called the grandfather of the isekai genre, because it's special and deserved to be called so. You forgot about something that hurts your "grandfather of Isekai": The unnecessary ecchi stuff. Don't get me wrong: I don't mind a jiggly bust and a panty shot, but the way its applied ruins the gravitas of the story. It's like the jokes in Marvel movies. The touching moments in Mushoku Tensei just never settled because of this, either by you having ill timed ecchi or the pervy protag thinking about it every opportunity he gets. I haven't seen S02 yet mind you, but, with all the circle-jerk Mushoku Tensei was getting, I was left disappointed with the S01, disregarding how beautiful it was. Re:Zero is no Cowboy Beebop either, but the drama holds up better and kept me more invested in the follow-ups. Why do you even bother watching if you're so sensitive? Like I said before, the anime is about the mc's redemption from a perverted douchebag to a better version of himself. He is supposed to be like this insufferable piece of shit early on, he's not nearly as good, which makes him a lot better and relatable as a character. You complain about rudy being perverted,but most of the scenes, this apples to, are just typical comic relief scenes,which are exactly the same as in virtually every other anime out there(at least nowadays).Yet people don't complain about all the other shows doing literally the same things. The main character is an accurate depiction of a shut in, socially awkward and traumatised individual. They often have unhealthy mindsets and are socially crippled individuals. Its like having a mental disability and recovering from it is extremely difficult. Seeing a terrible character overcome their flaws and try to be a better person is an interesting story. It's not remotely problematic. It is already stupid to think something fictional is problematic, considering something that doesn't exist cannot create a real problem. But when people purposefully misinterpret what is happening in the show, it becomes even more idiotic. Also you should try completing the anime series first, and then try reading the novel, before complaining anything. You will understand whatever I said perfectly if you just followed the sequence. |
nVn123Aug 13, 2022 10:26 PM
Aug 13, 2022 10:15 PM
#137
Horny4Porny said: swagxmagician said: lmao exactly. nvn is just defending a pedophilenVn123 said: swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: you’re actually fucking delusional, I’ve literally given you examples on why Subaru is a better character you fucking hypocrite. Learn to read.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: you haven’t countered any of my arguments you just say the same shit over and over again, and you’re wrong everytime. Just face it, Mushoku Tensei is fucking dogshit. Rudeus is a terrible main character in a generic world with flat characters and no charm. Rudy’s only development was that he could walk forward after being a shut in like that’s a big fucking deal but it’s not. Subaru did the same thing in season 2 and had even more development in the 1st season as well. You say Subaru has little development but then go and say how Rudy development but it’s the exact same shit that Subaru did but Subaru did it better, so you’re just being a biased hypocrite. You don’t even know your own characters. You’re laughably biased to the point that I have to dumb down shit to even get it across to you. You have no idea what you’re talking about.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: ive already given you plenty of examples but I guess you just aren’t smart enough to comprehend what I’m saying. Should I dumb it down a bit for my little buddy? Does my wittle MT fan need me to hold his hand?swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Except everyone knows that Subaru had great character development. Way better development than Rudy and it’s not close. Watch more anime and maybe you’ll have better opinions because now you’re wrong and you don’t even know your own story.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: except Re:zero is better with everything you just listed so you’re factually wrong. Better music, characters, development, plot, world building, character design, and is a much more mature story. I’ve literally countered all of your points and you say I’ve said nothing so you must’ve not even read what I said. You don’t even know what your own show is about since you’re calling Rujierd a violent warrior that developed into a father figure LMAO that’s just false. Rujierd had no character development, he was a static character, which is fine but don’t try to label him as something else. Re:Zero has the best character development of any isekai and it’s not close, that’s almost the purpose of Return by Death from a writing perspective. Everytime Subaru dies the characters around him change based on his interactions with them and you get to see how they develop from his first meeting with them with him vs the main timeline of the story. With Rem, you get to see her go from a person with 0 confidence in the shadow of her sister that’s also hot-headed and over-protective to someone that is able to become her own person and is able to make decisions without being rash. Rem and Emilia both had more character development than even Rudeus did, not just Mushoku’s side characters. Subaru had more character development than every character in Mushoku combined. If you didn’t get that then you didn’t even watch the show, or you’re just not capable of understanding it. Please go rewatch Mushoku because you obviously didn’t get the story. Maybe once you rewatch you’ll understand that it’s average at best.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: shit zero is already a better anime than Midshoku Shitsei! it’s crazy that Rudeus starts working with the Dragon God because the Man God threatens to kill Rudy’s family! Rudeus has erectile dysfunction after his lolI harem no character development Eris leaves him! Hope I didn’t spoil anything! Still a worse plot than Re:zero though.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: just like it’s a fact that Re:zero is better than Midshoku Shitsei! Glad you agreeswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: not reading that because you’re wrong and I’m right. Rudeus = boring. Eris = generic tsundere. Rujierd = boring. I’m not biased for Re:zero, I’m right.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: if you don’t think Emilia didn’t have character development you didn’t watch the show, so you obviously can’t have an opinion in this. Emilia before and after her trials are almost completely different characters. She became way more confident in herself and she was able to make decisions on her own instead of second guessing herself. Instead of a reactionary character she caused the reaction. Rujierd was the exact same character from the start of the show to the end of the show. Rujierd was never a violent warrior, he became violent because of a curse. Did you even watch the show? Eris had less development than Rem and Emilia. Rem went from a self-deprecating character to one that had faith in herself, and no longer felt like she was in her sister’s shadow. She finally felt like she had a purpose in life after Subaru saved her. She stopped being cold to everyone and opened up. If you say there was no character development in Re:Zero, you didn’t even watch past episode 1. Subaru developed more in episode 1 than Rudy did in the first 10 episodes.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: it’s average. No character aside from Rudy had any character development, they managed to all stay boring and flat. The world isn’t interesting, Rudy is a typical OP protagonist with a harem like every other isekai and he’s not even a good protagonist either. Most of the season felt like filler, especially when he was in the beast village. It’s just an extremely average show. People that say it’s the best isekai probably think that SAO is also the best isekai.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: erased had a terrible ending and was still better than MT, Summertime Render is a worse version of Re:Zero with a worse OST, worse characters, and worse world building. It’s still better than MT though. Also, both MC’s are still better than Rudeus. At least Subaru has real reasons to cry unlike Rudeus that cried because he got laid and ran off on by his loli harem girl. MT is generic as fuckswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mid Tensei doesn’t hold a candle to Re:Zero. Subaru might be the best MC of all time and Rudeus is generic. People hyped up Turning Point 2 to be one of the best episodes of all time but that shit was average at best compared to the peaks of Re:Zero. It’s just a show with nothing but fan service of panties and a harem like Rent a GF. Mid at best. If you don’t think Re:Zero is better, it’s because you aren’t smart enough to understand it.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: MT has no story, it’s just a harem anime like rent a GFswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mushoku mid at best imo. Same tier as SAOswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: mushoku tensei is objectively worse than re:zero. Worse characters. worse OST, worse worldbuilding, worse plot. The only thing Mushoku beats Re:zero on is the magic system, and that's barely.swagxmagician said: I think it’s easily the best isekai and I don’t think it’s close. Konosuba is really good, followed by Youjo Senki and maybe Mushoku Tensei, but I don’t think any other isekai I’ve ever seen has been close to as good as Re:Zero easily the best isekai lol what? Mushoku Tensei is objectively superior than Rezero. MT has incredible ost, far incredible world building (Rezero doesn't have any significant world building) and all the characters of MT are much more humane than shit-zero. Rezero's characters behave like fucking NPCs, only Subaru is somewhat rational, the rest like emilia and beatrice are extremely unlikable pieces of shit. The only argument shit zero fans have against MT is by calling rudeus a pedophile, which he isn't considering he is still a child in that world. But at the same time, He is leagues above that pathetic MC Subaru whose only existence is based on simping for emilia for no fucking reason. And don't get me started on the plot lol, MT has everything it needs to be called the grandfather of the isekai genre. Shit Zero is boring, the characters are uninteresting and bland, the plot goes nowhere, the setting was uninspired with almost zero world building, the story was cliche and the music is just meh. ReZero doesn't hold a candle to Mushoku Tensei, it's just a pretentious and superficial story with no depth whatsoever. You're just sprouting random BS at this point lmao. Bro thinks he is smarter after watching that repetitive piece of shit lmao. There are far more better shows of similar genre like erased and summertime render, which actually make sense. Also, subaru the best mc lol what? He is probably one of the worst mc I've ever seen, he suddenly goes from being an useless NEET to being a super reliable guy, while the other characters remain underdeveloped and static throughout the entire show. Heck even kazuya from rent a gf is somewhat less pathetic than this abomination of a character. World building is not necessary for every anime, particularly if it's not an isekai. (Even so summertime render has a better and more vibrant world than reZero lol) . Moreover a bad ending cannot downplay the likability of the entirety of the show(Erased). And your only argument against mt here is that it's Bad, but you have no strong reasons to support why, unlike me who just listed all the possible causes for why I think rezero is trash. are you sure we watched the same show my guy? Every character in MT had serious character development; Rudeus, Eris, Ruijerd and Paul being the most significant ones. Eris went on from being an annoying brat to a super wholesome, likable character. Ruijerd developed a lot too, from a violent, ruthless warrior to a kind, father like figure. Paul from being a carefree playboy to an actual mature and responsible adult. Rudeus had one of the best character development, he started redeeming himself slowly but progressively, learning from his past. ReZero fans shouldn't debate about stuff such as character development lol, the entire cast of rezero has little to zero personality whatsoever. Emilia is a bland af character, she has no interesting dialogues, no personality or development and she is completely useless, the only thing going for her is she's cute and that's all. I also don't like rem, she brings nothing to the table and her obsession with Subaru makes no sense either. The only character with character development was the insufferable mc, Subaru, whose apparently sole existence is to simp over emilia for no fucking reason. You're just biased af for rezero, that's clearly visible from your answers since I watched the entire show as well. No.Emilia had no character development, she remained a bland af character from starting to finish. She only has a limited vocabulary everytime we see her on screen. She solely exists for Subaru to be an idiot and lust over her and basically be a trophy waifu. She's a goal/prize rather than an actual character, a detriment to this series and is nothing more than a plot device. Confidence or whatever you're talking about is just an excuse to cover up for her negligible growth throughout the series. Ruijerd before meeting rudeus and eris didn't have a purpose, but eventually he developed a lot and finally had an ambition to pursue, i.e clearing the name of his superd race, which he initially gave up upon helplessly, and was just agonising about his past blunders. For a side character, that's decent enough character progression. "Eris had less development than rem and emilia". Lmao the internet and everyone else who watched both the shows says otherwise. MT unlike rezero had realistic character development. Mushoku has some of the most human characters ever. "Subaru developed more in episode 1 than rudy did in the first 10 episodes".Thats the point, you can't expect changes right away, his redeeming arc is slow but progressive, he gradually becomes a better person from an insufferable douchebag, this series is about rudeus living his life because he failed to do so in his previous one, also meanwhile learning from his past. This is what makes MT significantly better than rezero, the story has realistic humane characters, actions have consequences, the world building is immaculate, how the show addresses trauma and recovery from it. Also the animation and art style of MT is leagues above rezero, the production quality is top notch, the fights especially the dragon God vs rudeus crew fight was brilliantly executed and animated, compared to the lackluster ones in rezero. lmao good for you. facts don't care about opinions anyway lol. midshoku shitsei=no meaning Shit Zero=feels like an actual title. truly an anime deserving of it's title👑. don't mind the spoilers but why are you discussing random plot points here lmao. I have given enough reasons by now why I believe mt is better than reZero, but you had no sensible counter arguments against all these, except for repeatedly branding of Rudeus as an incel, which is true, but his development from this state is basically the point of the series. Animation, world building, character interactions and development, realism, music, story,etc.all of these makes MT superior to reZero, there is a reason why it's called the grandfather of the IseKai genre. You didn't counter any of my points, you just regurgitated everything I said back to me lol. Music and Plot favouritism can be subjective, but MT definitely had some of the best character development and world building seen in recent years, along with a strong cast of side characters, the reasons which made it immensely popular. "You're just not capable of understanding it" lmao this is the perfect excuse fans give when they know their show is trash. There are far more Intellectually stimulating shows then this one, with far more deep and mature themes. You don't need to be a genius to understand reZero. It also has some potential plot holes, the primary one being the return by death power. There were multiple ways to explain his special situation(drawing, writing, body language) but no he needs to say it in words despite clear restrictions. Even if it didn't work, he could have atleast tried it. "Subaru had better character development than every character of MT combined".Again, that's an exaggeration, backed up by nothing other than your biased-ness. To many people including me, Subaru's character development was almost non existent. Sure he went from being a shut in to a super reliable guy suddenly, but mentally he remained the same old crybaby that he was before, throwing tantrums and acting as if he owns the world. Also his obsession with emilia for no apparent reasons is cringy and creepy at the same time. Rudy on the other hand, developed slowly but progressively, eventually becoming better and better than his previous self. Also his change was visible, for an average viewer as well. Also, for the nth time, no emilia had no significant growth throughout the series, the one you talked about(confidence) is not some groundbreaking development, it's just maturity at best. She is just designed to be the perfect flawless waifu and that's it. Rem did have some good development but ultimately she's waifu bait as well, and I don't see her much relevant to the story. "Way better development" How exactly? Can you elaborate? "Way more than Rudy" Do you have reasons to prove how or is it just lip service? "Watch more anime" I don't need to watch more anime to understand that Subaru is a wimpass pathetic character with zero depth and likability. Judging by your replies from this thread, I'm probably older and smarter than you lol. Unlike you here, I tried countering each of your arguments point wise, while you resorted to silly little comebacks, as fitting for a nine year old like you. you're clearly as dumb as a rock, for a man who thinks he is smart. I regret even arguing with you at the first place, you have a very delusional sense of superiority. Go through the thread for once, I've literally tried writing down large paragraphs countering each of your arguments one by one, but you kept on responding the same 'I'm not reading. you're wrong, and I'm right' shit everytime. "Rudeus is a terrible main character". So is Subaru. The point is developing themselves forward from that point and rudy does it much better realistically, which I explained why in one of my previous replies. You're the one here who's constantly sucking on Subaru but for once you didn't explain why or how you think he has better development than rudy. "You have no idea what you're talking about". oh I do. The reason why I'm still here is explaining why I think MT is better. 'Dumb down shit to even get it across you" how can you possibly dumb it farther to me when you're clearly the dumber one here? Where the fuck did you even countered my points? The only thing I remember is you saying Subaru has better character development because he has return by death, and everytime he returns his interactions with the people around him again makes him more developed than his previous checkpoint. Thats not exactly development, that's just hax, and what he's gaining repetitively is just called experience to how to prevent death the next time. That's not realistic character development at all, and is more likely a plot device. Rudy's development is far more humane and realistic than this, he goes on from being an incel/neckbeard to a responsible, calm minded rational person, slowly moving on from his past. And I've said it before, this seems far more natural. Overall, Subaru's character development is sudden, abrupt and kind of unnatural, while Rudy's ch. development is slow, natural and above all, realistic. I just realised you called me a pedophile defender for liking this show. You sound like those people who think playing video games like grand Theft Auto makes you violent, anti social and a criminal. Let me get it right across your thick skull. Are you not capable of of understanding the difference between fiction and real life? People like Call of Duty, doesn't mean they are are actual school shooters or terrorist's. People like Attack on Titan, doesn't mean they actually support war crimes and mass genocide. People like Game of Thrones, doesn't mean they support r#pe or incest. We have transitioned from blaming games, to blaming cartoons now. You really need to change your outlook on things, otherwise you sound like a typical boomer. |
nVn123Aug 13, 2022 10:30 PM
Aug 13, 2022 10:39 PM
#138
nVn123 said: Mushoku Tensei is fucking dogshit and you know itOkeanix said: nVn123 said: swagxmagician said: I think it’s easily the best isekai and I don’t think it’s close. Konosuba is really good, followed by Youjo Senki and maybe Mushoku Tensei, but I don’t think any other isekai I’ve ever seen has been close to as good as Re:Zero easily the best isekai lol what? Mushoku Tensei is objectively superior than Rezero. Let's see Re:Zero has - Superior Writing (no inconsistency, no forced plot, no plot holes, no plot armor) - Superior Characters (each one of them is unique, has their own motivations, has their own goal, has their own opinions, has their own growth) - Superior World & Lore (Re:Zero mystery style lorebuilding around Stars, World, Witches etc. far superior than any generic MT concept) - Superior Story (Re:Zero each arc different than each other and has amazing story in each arc, everything connected to each other) - Better Character Development (Each Re:Zero character changes through the story while Rudeus stays the same entire novel) - Better Musics & OSTs - Better Voice Acting want me go on? I can't think single thing MT is better lmao. its amazing how wrong can one person be. let me break down your bubble and summarise some bits for you in bullet points. 1) The animation is objectively inferior to MT. 2) The world building is almost non existent compared to MT. 3) The characters were uninteresting and flat, they all felt mechanical and had zero humane touch to them except Subaru. The development is superficial, the dialogues were boring and pretentious. 4) The setting was boring and uninspired, the battle choreography was terrible(the whale fight for instance). 5) The shows attempt at comedy were completely pathetic. 6)The ending of the Anime was underwhelming. 7) Plot Holes? The anime didn't explain two major plot points. a) why can't he describe his situation by writing down on a paper? b) why did he get reincarnated at the first place? Plot armour? He gets away everytime with his blunders just because he has the return by death ability, unlike MT where actions have actual consequences. Instead of getting a 'fuck off' as a reaction to his attitude, everything orbits around him, which is utter nonsense. 8) The romance is awkward and out of place. 9) No clear picture about the plot progression and the significance of some characters. 10)Music and OSTS are subjective opinion, unlike some other criteria. Overall, it's a decent show at best(an above average isekai with a cool concept) but is nowhere near as great as the fanboys claim it to be. MT however is rightfully called the grandfather of the isekai genre, because it's special and deserved to be called so. |
Aug 13, 2022 10:42 PM
#139
nVn123 said: oh ok so you’re a pedophile too.Horny4Porny said: swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: yeah because being reincarnated and being able to do your entire life over again is extremely realistic character development right? Subaru had this exact same character development in season 2 when he met his parents again, but it was done better, and he also had more development during season 1 as well.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: you’re actually fucking delusional, I’ve literally given you examples on why Subaru is a better character you fucking hypocrite. Learn to read.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: you haven’t countered any of my arguments you just say the same shit over and over again, and you’re wrong everytime. Just face it, Mushoku Tensei is fucking dogshit. Rudeus is a terrible main character in a generic world with flat characters and no charm. Rudy’s only development was that he could walk forward after being a shut in like that’s a big fucking deal but it’s not. Subaru did the same thing in season 2 and had even more development in the 1st season as well. You say Subaru has little development but then go and say how Rudy development but it’s the exact same shit that Subaru did but Subaru did it better, so you’re just being a biased hypocrite. You don’t even know your own characters. You’re laughably biased to the point that I have to dumb down shit to even get it across to you. You have no idea what you’re talking about.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: ive already given you plenty of examples but I guess you just aren’t smart enough to comprehend what I’m saying. Should I dumb it down a bit for my little buddy? Does my wittle MT fan need me to hold his hand?swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Except everyone knows that Subaru had great character development. Way better development than Rudy and it’s not close. Watch more anime and maybe you’ll have better opinions because now you’re wrong and you don’t even know your own story.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: except Re:zero is better with everything you just listed so you’re factually wrong. Better music, characters, development, plot, world building, character design, and is a much more mature story. I’ve literally countered all of your points and you say I’ve said nothing so you must’ve not even read what I said. You don’t even know what your own show is about since you’re calling Rujierd a violent warrior that developed into a father figure LMAO that’s just false. Rujierd had no character development, he was a static character, which is fine but don’t try to label him as something else. Re:Zero has the best character development of any isekai and it’s not close, that’s almost the purpose of Return by Death from a writing perspective. Everytime Subaru dies the characters around him change based on his interactions with them and you get to see how they develop from his first meeting with them with him vs the main timeline of the story. With Rem, you get to see her go from a person with 0 confidence in the shadow of her sister that’s also hot-headed and over-protective to someone that is able to become her own person and is able to make decisions without being rash. Rem and Emilia both had more character development than even Rudeus did, not just Mushoku’s side characters. Subaru had more character development than every character in Mushoku combined. If you didn’t get that then you didn’t even watch the show, or you’re just not capable of understanding it. Please go rewatch Mushoku because you obviously didn’t get the story. Maybe once you rewatch you’ll understand that it’s average at best.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: shit zero is already a better anime than Midshoku Shitsei! it’s crazy that Rudeus starts working with the Dragon God because the Man God threatens to kill Rudy’s family! Rudeus has erectile dysfunction after his lolI harem no character development Eris leaves him! Hope I didn’t spoil anything! Still a worse plot than Re:zero though.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: just like it’s a fact that Re:zero is better than Midshoku Shitsei! Glad you agreeswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: not reading that because you’re wrong and I’m right. Rudeus = boring. Eris = generic tsundere. Rujierd = boring. I’m not biased for Re:zero, I’m right.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: if you don’t think Emilia didn’t have character development you didn’t watch the show, so you obviously can’t have an opinion in this. Emilia before and after her trials are almost completely different characters. She became way more confident in herself and she was able to make decisions on her own instead of second guessing herself. Instead of a reactionary character she caused the reaction. Rujierd was the exact same character from the start of the show to the end of the show. Rujierd was never a violent warrior, he became violent because of a curse. Did you even watch the show? Eris had less development than Rem and Emilia. Rem went from a self-deprecating character to one that had faith in herself, and no longer felt like she was in her sister’s shadow. She finally felt like she had a purpose in life after Subaru saved her. She stopped being cold to everyone and opened up. If you say there was no character development in Re:Zero, you didn’t even watch past episode 1. Subaru developed more in episode 1 than Rudy did in the first 10 episodes.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: it’s average. No character aside from Rudy had any character development, they managed to all stay boring and flat. The world isn’t interesting, Rudy is a typical OP protagonist with a harem like every other isekai and he’s not even a good protagonist either. Most of the season felt like filler, especially when he was in the beast village. It’s just an extremely average show. People that say it’s the best isekai probably think that SAO is also the best isekai.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: erased had a terrible ending and was still better than MT, Summertime Render is a worse version of Re:Zero with a worse OST, worse characters, and worse world building. It’s still better than MT though. Also, both MC’s are still better than Rudeus. At least Subaru has real reasons to cry unlike Rudeus that cried because he got laid and ran off on by his loli harem girl. MT is generic as fuckswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mid Tensei doesn’t hold a candle to Re:Zero. Subaru might be the best MC of all time and Rudeus is generic. People hyped up Turning Point 2 to be one of the best episodes of all time but that shit was average at best compared to the peaks of Re:Zero. It’s just a show with nothing but fan service of panties and a harem like Rent a GF. Mid at best. If you don’t think Re:Zero is better, it’s because you aren’t smart enough to understand it.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: MT has no story, it’s just a harem anime like rent a GFswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mushoku mid at best imo. Same tier as SAOswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: mushoku tensei is objectively worse than re:zero. Worse characters. worse OST, worse worldbuilding, worse plot. The only thing Mushoku beats Re:zero on is the magic system, and that's barely.swagxmagician said: I think it’s easily the best isekai and I don’t think it’s close. Konosuba is really good, followed by Youjo Senki and maybe Mushoku Tensei, but I don’t think any other isekai I’ve ever seen has been close to as good as Re:Zero easily the best isekai lol what? Mushoku Tensei is objectively superior than Rezero. MT has incredible ost, far incredible world building (Rezero doesn't have any significant world building) and all the characters of MT are much more humane than shit-zero. Rezero's characters behave like fucking NPCs, only Subaru is somewhat rational, the rest like emilia and beatrice are extremely unlikable pieces of shit. The only argument shit zero fans have against MT is by calling rudeus a pedophile, which he isn't considering he is still a child in that world. But at the same time, He is leagues above that pathetic MC Subaru whose only existence is based on simping for emilia for no fucking reason. And don't get me started on the plot lol, MT has everything it needs to be called the grandfather of the isekai genre. Shit Zero is boring, the characters are uninteresting and bland, the plot goes nowhere, the setting was uninspired with almost zero world building, the story was cliche and the music is just meh. ReZero doesn't hold a candle to Mushoku Tensei, it's just a pretentious and superficial story with no depth whatsoever. You're just sprouting random BS at this point lmao. Bro thinks he is smarter after watching that repetitive piece of shit lmao. There are far more better shows of similar genre like erased and summertime render, which actually make sense. Also, subaru the best mc lol what? He is probably one of the worst mc I've ever seen, he suddenly goes from being an useless NEET to being a super reliable guy, while the other characters remain underdeveloped and static throughout the entire show. Heck even kazuya from rent a gf is somewhat less pathetic than this abomination of a character. World building is not necessary for every anime, particularly if it's not an isekai. (Even so summertime render has a better and more vibrant world than reZero lol) . Moreover a bad ending cannot downplay the likability of the entirety of the show(Erased). And your only argument against mt here is that it's Bad, but you have no strong reasons to support why, unlike me who just listed all the possible causes for why I think rezero is trash. are you sure we watched the same show my guy? Every character in MT had serious character development; Rudeus, Eris, Ruijerd and Paul being the most significant ones. Eris went on from being an annoying brat to a super wholesome, likable character. Ruijerd developed a lot too, from a violent, ruthless warrior to a kind, father like figure. Paul from being a carefree playboy to an actual mature and responsible adult. Rudeus had one of the best character development, he started redeeming himself slowly but progressively, learning from his past. ReZero fans shouldn't debate about stuff such as character development lol, the entire cast of rezero has little to zero personality whatsoever. Emilia is a bland af character, she has no interesting dialogues, no personality or development and she is completely useless, the only thing going for her is she's cute and that's all. I also don't like rem, she brings nothing to the table and her obsession with Subaru makes no sense either. The only character with character development was the insufferable mc, Subaru, whose apparently sole existence is to simp over emilia for no fucking reason. You're just biased af for rezero, that's clearly visible from your answers since I watched the entire show as well. No.Emilia had no character development, she remained a bland af character from starting to finish. She only has a limited vocabulary everytime we see her on screen. She solely exists for Subaru to be an idiot and lust over her and basically be a trophy waifu. She's a goal/prize rather than an actual character, a detriment to this series and is nothing more than a plot device. Confidence or whatever you're talking about is just an excuse to cover up for her negligible growth throughout the series. Ruijerd before meeting rudeus and eris didn't have a purpose, but eventually he developed a lot and finally had an ambition to pursue, i.e clearing the name of his superd race, which he initially gave up upon helplessly, and was just agonising about his past blunders. For a side character, that's decent enough character progression. "Eris had less development than rem and emilia". Lmao the internet and everyone else who watched both the shows says otherwise. MT unlike rezero had realistic character development. Mushoku has some of the most human characters ever. "Subaru developed more in episode 1 than rudy did in the first 10 episodes".Thats the point, you can't expect changes right away, his redeeming arc is slow but progressive, he gradually becomes a better person from an insufferable douchebag, this series is about rudeus living his life because he failed to do so in his previous one, also meanwhile learning from his past. This is what makes MT significantly better than rezero, the story has realistic humane characters, actions have consequences, the world building is immaculate, how the show addresses trauma and recovery from it. Also the animation and art style of MT is leagues above rezero, the production quality is top notch, the fights especially the dragon God vs rudeus crew fight was brilliantly executed and animated, compared to the lackluster ones in rezero. lmao good for you. facts don't care about opinions anyway lol. midshoku shitsei=no meaning Shit Zero=feels like an actual title. truly an anime deserving of it's title👑. don't mind the spoilers but why are you discussing random plot points here lmao. I have given enough reasons by now why I believe mt is better than reZero, but you had no sensible counter arguments against all these, except for repeatedly branding of Rudeus as an incel, which is true, but his development from this state is basically the point of the series. Animation, world building, character interactions and development, realism, music, story,etc.all of these makes MT superior to reZero, there is a reason why it's called the grandfather of the IseKai genre. You didn't counter any of my points, you just regurgitated everything I said back to me lol. Music and Plot favouritism can be subjective, but MT definitely had some of the best character development and world building seen in recent years, along with a strong cast of side characters, the reasons which made it immensely popular. "You're just not capable of understanding it" lmao this is the perfect excuse fans give when they know their show is trash. There are far more Intellectually stimulating shows then this one, with far more deep and mature themes. You don't need to be a genius to understand reZero. It also has some potential plot holes, the primary one being the return by death power. There were multiple ways to explain his special situation(drawing, writing, body language) but no he needs to say it in words despite clear restrictions. Even if it didn't work, he could have atleast tried it. "Subaru had better character development than every character of MT combined".Again, that's an exaggeration, backed up by nothing other than your biased-ness. To many people including me, Subaru's character development was almost non existent. Sure he went from being a shut in to a super reliable guy suddenly, but mentally he remained the same old crybaby that he was before, throwing tantrums and acting as if he owns the world. Also his obsession with emilia for no apparent reasons is cringy and creepy at the same time. Rudy on the other hand, developed slowly but progressively, eventually becoming better and better than his previous self. Also his change was visible, for an average viewer as well. Also, for the nth time, no emilia had no significant growth throughout the series, the one you talked about(confidence) is not some groundbreaking development, it's just maturity at best. She is just designed to be the perfect flawless waifu and that's it. Rem did have some good development but ultimately she's waifu bait as well, and I don't see her much relevant to the story. "Way better development" How exactly? Can you elaborate? "Way more than Rudy" Do you have reasons to prove how or is it just lip service? "Watch more anime" I don't need to watch more anime to understand that Subaru is a wimpass pathetic character with zero depth and likability. Judging by your replies from this thread, I'm probably older and smarter than you lol. Unlike you here, I tried countering each of your arguments point wise, while you resorted to silly little comebacks, as fitting for a nine year old like you. you're clearly as dumb as a rock, for a man who thinks he is smart. I regret even arguing with you at the first place, you have a very delusional sense of superiority. Go through the thread for once, I've literally tried writing down large paragraphs countering each of your arguments one by one, but you kept on responding the same 'I'm not reading. you're wrong, and I'm right' shit everytime. "Rudeus is a terrible main character". So is Subaru. The point is developing themselves forward from that point and rudy does it much better realistically, which I explained why in one of my previous replies. You're the one here who's constantly sucking on Subaru but for once you didn't explain why or how you think he has better development than rudy. "You have no idea what you're talking about". oh I do. The reason why I'm still here is explaining why I think MT is better. 'Dumb down shit to even get it across you" how can you possibly dumb it farther to me when you're clearly the dumber one here? Where the fuck did you even countered my points? The only thing I remember is you saying Subaru has better character development because he has return by death, and everytime he returns his interactions with the people around him again makes him more developed than his previous checkpoint. Thats not exactly development, that's just hax, and what he's gaining repetitively is just called experience to how to prevent death the next time. That's not realistic character development at all, and is more likely a plot device. Rudy's development is far more humane and realistic than this, he goes on from being an incel/neckbeard to a responsible, calm minded rational person, slowly moving on from his past. And I've said it before, this seems far more natural. Overall, Subaru's character development is sudden, abrupt and kind of unnatural, while Rudy's ch. development is slow, natural and above all, realistic. I just realised you called me a pedophile defender for liking this show. You sound like those people who think playing video games like grand Theft Auto makes you violent, anti social and a criminal. Let me get it right across your thick skull. Are you not capable of of understanding the difference between fiction and real life? People like Call of Duty, doesn't mean they are are actual school shooters or terrorist's. People like Attack on Titan, doesn't mean they actually support war crimes and mass genocide. People like Game of Thrones, doesn't mean they support r#pe or incest. We have transitioned from blaming games, to blaming cartoons now. You really need to change your outlook on things, otherwise you sound like a typical boomer. |
Aug 13, 2022 11:06 PM
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swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mushoku Tensei is fucking dogshit and you know itOkeanix said: nVn123 said: swagxmagician said: I think it’s easily the best isekai and I don’t think it’s close. Konosuba is really good, followed by Youjo Senki and maybe Mushoku Tensei, but I don’t think any other isekai I’ve ever seen has been close to as good as Re:Zero easily the best isekai lol what? Mushoku Tensei is objectively superior than Rezero. Let's see Re:Zero has - Superior Writing (no inconsistency, no forced plot, no plot holes, no plot armor) - Superior Characters (each one of them is unique, has their own motivations, has their own goal, has their own opinions, has their own growth) - Superior World & Lore (Re:Zero mystery style lorebuilding around Stars, World, Witches etc. far superior than any generic MT concept) - Superior Story (Re:Zero each arc different than each other and has amazing story in each arc, everything connected to each other) - Better Character Development (Each Re:Zero character changes through the story while Rudeus stays the same entire novel) - Better Musics & OSTs - Better Voice Acting want me go on? I can't think single thing MT is better lmao. its amazing how wrong can one person be. let me break down your bubble and summarise some bits for you in bullet points. 1) The animation is objectively inferior to MT. 2) The world building is almost non existent compared to MT. 3) The characters were uninteresting and flat, they all felt mechanical and had zero humane touch to them except Subaru. The development is superficial, the dialogues were boring and pretentious. 4) The setting was boring and uninspired, the battle choreography was terrible(the whale fight for instance). 5) The shows attempt at comedy were completely pathetic. 6)The ending of the Anime was underwhelming. 7) Plot Holes? The anime didn't explain two major plot points. a) why can't he describe his situation by writing down on a paper? b) why did he get reincarnated at the first place? Plot armour? He gets away everytime with his blunders just because he has the return by death ability, unlike MT where actions have actual consequences. Instead of getting a 'fuck off' as a reaction to his attitude, everything orbits around him, which is utter nonsense. 8) The romance is awkward and out of place. 9) No clear picture about the plot progression and the significance of some characters. 10)Music and OSTS are subjective opinion, unlike some other criteria. Overall, it's a decent show at best(an above average isekai with a cool concept) but is nowhere near as great as the fanboys claim it to be. MT however is rightfully called the grandfather of the isekai genre, because it's special and deserved to be called so. "Mushoku Tensei is fucking dogshit".Same guy who gave it an 8/10 lmao. Poor guy trying so hard just for the sake of this argument, it makes me feel bad for you. Apparently even MT haters can't deny how good the show is, it seems. 10/10 for effort. 0/10 for terrible taste. |
Aug 13, 2022 11:08 PM
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| not at all. its slow and all over the place. the characters are okayish except for beatrice she amazing. |
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Aug 13, 2022 11:09 PM
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nVn123 said: MT is worse than Re:Zero in every way but I guess only intelligent people would understand that. Sorry you aren’t intelligent enough to understand that Re:Zero is a masterpiece. Also you’ve been commenting on this thread for over 15 hours now, so you must not have anything better to do than watch mediocre anime like Mushoku Tenseiswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Okeanix said: nVn123 said: swagxmagician said: I think it’s easily the best isekai and I don’t think it’s close. Konosuba is really good, followed by Youjo Senki and maybe Mushoku Tensei, but I don’t think any other isekai I’ve ever seen has been close to as good as Re:Zero easily the best isekai lol what? Mushoku Tensei is objectively superior than Rezero. Let's see Re:Zero has - Superior Writing (no inconsistency, no forced plot, no plot holes, no plot armor) - Superior Characters (each one of them is unique, has their own motivations, has their own goal, has their own opinions, has their own growth) - Superior World & Lore (Re:Zero mystery style lorebuilding around Stars, World, Witches etc. far superior than any generic MT concept) - Superior Story (Re:Zero each arc different than each other and has amazing story in each arc, everything connected to each other) - Better Character Development (Each Re:Zero character changes through the story while Rudeus stays the same entire novel) - Better Musics & OSTs - Better Voice Acting want me go on? I can't think single thing MT is better lmao. its amazing how wrong can one person be. let me break down your bubble and summarise some bits for you in bullet points. 1) The animation is objectively inferior to MT. 2) The world building is almost non existent compared to MT. 3) The characters were uninteresting and flat, they all felt mechanical and had zero humane touch to them except Subaru. The development is superficial, the dialogues were boring and pretentious. 4) The setting was boring and uninspired, the battle choreography was terrible(the whale fight for instance). 5) The shows attempt at comedy were completely pathetic. 6)The ending of the Anime was underwhelming. 7) Plot Holes? The anime didn't explain two major plot points. a) why can't he describe his situation by writing down on a paper? b) why did he get reincarnated at the first place? Plot armour? He gets away everytime with his blunders just because he has the return by death ability, unlike MT where actions have actual consequences. Instead of getting a 'fuck off' as a reaction to his attitude, everything orbits around him, which is utter nonsense. 8) The romance is awkward and out of place. 9) No clear picture about the plot progression and the significance of some characters. 10)Music and OSTS are subjective opinion, unlike some other criteria. Overall, it's a decent show at best(an above average isekai with a cool concept) but is nowhere near as great as the fanboys claim it to be. MT however is rightfully called the grandfather of the isekai genre, because it's special and deserved to be called so. "Mushoku Tensei is fucking dogshit".Same guy who gave it an 8/10 lmao. Poor guy trying so hard just for the sake of this argument, it makes me feel bad for you. Apparently even MT haters can't deny how good the show is, it seems. 10/10 for effort. 0/10 for terrible taste. |
Aug 13, 2022 11:10 PM
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Horny4Porny said: nVn123 said: oh ok so you’re a pedophile too.Horny4Porny said: swagxmagician said: lmao exactly. nvn is just defending a pedophilenVn123 said: yeah because being reincarnated and being able to do your entire life over again is extremely realistic character development right? Subaru had this exact same character development in season 2 when he met his parents again, but it was done better, and he also had more development during season 1 as well.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: you’re actually fucking delusional, I’ve literally given you examples on why Subaru is a better character you fucking hypocrite. Learn to read.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: you haven’t countered any of my arguments you just say the same shit over and over again, and you’re wrong everytime. Just face it, Mushoku Tensei is fucking dogshit. Rudeus is a terrible main character in a generic world with flat characters and no charm. Rudy’s only development was that he could walk forward after being a shut in like that’s a big fucking deal but it’s not. Subaru did the same thing in season 2 and had even more development in the 1st season as well. You say Subaru has little development but then go and say how Rudy development but it’s the exact same shit that Subaru did but Subaru did it better, so you’re just being a biased hypocrite. You don’t even know your own characters. You’re laughably biased to the point that I have to dumb down shit to even get it across to you. You have no idea what you’re talking about.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: ive already given you plenty of examples but I guess you just aren’t smart enough to comprehend what I’m saying. Should I dumb it down a bit for my little buddy? Does my wittle MT fan need me to hold his hand?swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Except everyone knows that Subaru had great character development. Way better development than Rudy and it’s not close. Watch more anime and maybe you’ll have better opinions because now you’re wrong and you don’t even know your own story.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: except Re:zero is better with everything you just listed so you’re factually wrong. Better music, characters, development, plot, world building, character design, and is a much more mature story. I’ve literally countered all of your points and you say I’ve said nothing so you must’ve not even read what I said. You don’t even know what your own show is about since you’re calling Rujierd a violent warrior that developed into a father figure LMAO that’s just false. Rujierd had no character development, he was a static character, which is fine but don’t try to label him as something else. Re:Zero has the best character development of any isekai and it’s not close, that’s almost the purpose of Return by Death from a writing perspective. Everytime Subaru dies the characters around him change based on his interactions with them and you get to see how they develop from his first meeting with them with him vs the main timeline of the story. With Rem, you get to see her go from a person with 0 confidence in the shadow of her sister that’s also hot-headed and over-protective to someone that is able to become her own person and is able to make decisions without being rash. Rem and Emilia both had more character development than even Rudeus did, not just Mushoku’s side characters. Subaru had more character development than every character in Mushoku combined. If you didn’t get that then you didn’t even watch the show, or you’re just not capable of understanding it. Please go rewatch Mushoku because you obviously didn’t get the story. Maybe once you rewatch you’ll understand that it’s average at best.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: shit zero is already a better anime than Midshoku Shitsei! it’s crazy that Rudeus starts working with the Dragon God because the Man God threatens to kill Rudy’s family! Rudeus has erectile dysfunction after his lolI harem no character development Eris leaves him! Hope I didn’t spoil anything! Still a worse plot than Re:zero though.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: just like it’s a fact that Re:zero is better than Midshoku Shitsei! Glad you agreeswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: not reading that because you’re wrong and I’m right. Rudeus = boring. Eris = generic tsundere. Rujierd = boring. I’m not biased for Re:zero, I’m right.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: if you don’t think Emilia didn’t have character development you didn’t watch the show, so you obviously can’t have an opinion in this. Emilia before and after her trials are almost completely different characters. She became way more confident in herself and she was able to make decisions on her own instead of second guessing herself. Instead of a reactionary character she caused the reaction. Rujierd was the exact same character from the start of the show to the end of the show. Rujierd was never a violent warrior, he became violent because of a curse. Did you even watch the show? Eris had less development than Rem and Emilia. Rem went from a self-deprecating character to one that had faith in herself, and no longer felt like she was in her sister’s shadow. She finally felt like she had a purpose in life after Subaru saved her. She stopped being cold to everyone and opened up. If you say there was no character development in Re:Zero, you didn’t even watch past episode 1. Subaru developed more in episode 1 than Rudy did in the first 10 episodes.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: it’s average. No character aside from Rudy had any character development, they managed to all stay boring and flat. The world isn’t interesting, Rudy is a typical OP protagonist with a harem like every other isekai and he’s not even a good protagonist either. Most of the season felt like filler, especially when he was in the beast village. It’s just an extremely average show. People that say it’s the best isekai probably think that SAO is also the best isekai.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: erased had a terrible ending and was still better than MT, Summertime Render is a worse version of Re:Zero with a worse OST, worse characters, and worse world building. It’s still better than MT though. Also, both MC’s are still better than Rudeus. At least Subaru has real reasons to cry unlike Rudeus that cried because he got laid and ran off on by his loli harem girl. MT is generic as fuckswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mid Tensei doesn’t hold a candle to Re:Zero. Subaru might be the best MC of all time and Rudeus is generic. People hyped up Turning Point 2 to be one of the best episodes of all time but that shit was average at best compared to the peaks of Re:Zero. It’s just a show with nothing but fan service of panties and a harem like Rent a GF. Mid at best. If you don’t think Re:Zero is better, it’s because you aren’t smart enough to understand it.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: MT has no story, it’s just a harem anime like rent a GFswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mushoku mid at best imo. Same tier as SAOswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: mushoku tensei is objectively worse than re:zero. Worse characters. worse OST, worse worldbuilding, worse plot. The only thing Mushoku beats Re:zero on is the magic system, and that's barely.swagxmagician said: I think it’s easily the best isekai and I don’t think it’s close. Konosuba is really good, followed by Youjo Senki and maybe Mushoku Tensei, but I don’t think any other isekai I’ve ever seen has been close to as good as Re:Zero easily the best isekai lol what? Mushoku Tensei is objectively superior than Rezero. MT has incredible ost, far incredible world building (Rezero doesn't have any significant world building) and all the characters of MT are much more humane than shit-zero. Rezero's characters behave like fucking NPCs, only Subaru is somewhat rational, the rest like emilia and beatrice are extremely unlikable pieces of shit. The only argument shit zero fans have against MT is by calling rudeus a pedophile, which he isn't considering he is still a child in that world. But at the same time, He is leagues above that pathetic MC Subaru whose only existence is based on simping for emilia for no fucking reason. And don't get me started on the plot lol, MT has everything it needs to be called the grandfather of the isekai genre. Shit Zero is boring, the characters are uninteresting and bland, the plot goes nowhere, the setting was uninspired with almost zero world building, the story was cliche and the music is just meh. ReZero doesn't hold a candle to Mushoku Tensei, it's just a pretentious and superficial story with no depth whatsoever. You're just sprouting random BS at this point lmao. Bro thinks he is smarter after watching that repetitive piece of shit lmao. There are far more better shows of similar genre like erased and summertime render, which actually make sense. Also, subaru the best mc lol what? He is probably one of the worst mc I've ever seen, he suddenly goes from being an useless NEET to being a super reliable guy, while the other characters remain underdeveloped and static throughout the entire show. Heck even kazuya from rent a gf is somewhat less pathetic than this abomination of a character. World building is not necessary for every anime, particularly if it's not an isekai. (Even so summertime render has a better and more vibrant world than reZero lol) . Moreover a bad ending cannot downplay the likability of the entirety of the show(Erased). And your only argument against mt here is that it's Bad, but you have no strong reasons to support why, unlike me who just listed all the possible causes for why I think rezero is trash. are you sure we watched the same show my guy? Every character in MT had serious character development; Rudeus, Eris, Ruijerd and Paul being the most significant ones. Eris went on from being an annoying brat to a super wholesome, likable character. Ruijerd developed a lot too, from a violent, ruthless warrior to a kind, father like figure. Paul from being a carefree playboy to an actual mature and responsible adult. Rudeus had one of the best character development, he started redeeming himself slowly but progressively, learning from his past. ReZero fans shouldn't debate about stuff such as character development lol, the entire cast of rezero has little to zero personality whatsoever. Emilia is a bland af character, she has no interesting dialogues, no personality or development and she is completely useless, the only thing going for her is she's cute and that's all. I also don't like rem, she brings nothing to the table and her obsession with Subaru makes no sense either. The only character with character development was the insufferable mc, Subaru, whose apparently sole existence is to simp over emilia for no fucking reason. You're just biased af for rezero, that's clearly visible from your answers since I watched the entire show as well. No.Emilia had no character development, she remained a bland af character from starting to finish. She only has a limited vocabulary everytime we see her on screen. She solely exists for Subaru to be an idiot and lust over her and basically be a trophy waifu. She's a goal/prize rather than an actual character, a detriment to this series and is nothing more than a plot device. Confidence or whatever you're talking about is just an excuse to cover up for her negligible growth throughout the series. Ruijerd before meeting rudeus and eris didn't have a purpose, but eventually he developed a lot and finally had an ambition to pursue, i.e clearing the name of his superd race, which he initially gave up upon helplessly, and was just agonising about his past blunders. For a side character, that's decent enough character progression. "Eris had less development than rem and emilia". Lmao the internet and everyone else who watched both the shows says otherwise. MT unlike rezero had realistic character development. Mushoku has some of the most human characters ever. "Subaru developed more in episode 1 than rudy did in the first 10 episodes".Thats the point, you can't expect changes right away, his redeeming arc is slow but progressive, he gradually becomes a better person from an insufferable douchebag, this series is about rudeus living his life because he failed to do so in his previous one, also meanwhile learning from his past. This is what makes MT significantly better than rezero, the story has realistic humane characters, actions have consequences, the world building is immaculate, how the show addresses trauma and recovery from it. Also the animation and art style of MT is leagues above rezero, the production quality is top notch, the fights especially the dragon God vs rudeus crew fight was brilliantly executed and animated, compared to the lackluster ones in rezero. lmao good for you. facts don't care about opinions anyway lol. midshoku shitsei=no meaning Shit Zero=feels like an actual title. truly an anime deserving of it's title👑. don't mind the spoilers but why are you discussing random plot points here lmao. I have given enough reasons by now why I believe mt is better than reZero, but you had no sensible counter arguments against all these, except for repeatedly branding of Rudeus as an incel, which is true, but his development from this state is basically the point of the series. Animation, world building, character interactions and development, realism, music, story,etc.all of these makes MT superior to reZero, there is a reason why it's called the grandfather of the IseKai genre. You didn't counter any of my points, you just regurgitated everything I said back to me lol. Music and Plot favouritism can be subjective, but MT definitely had some of the best character development and world building seen in recent years, along with a strong cast of side characters, the reasons which made it immensely popular. "You're just not capable of understanding it" lmao this is the perfect excuse fans give when they know their show is trash. There are far more Intellectually stimulating shows then this one, with far more deep and mature themes. You don't need to be a genius to understand reZero. It also has some potential plot holes, the primary one being the return by death power. There were multiple ways to explain his special situation(drawing, writing, body language) but no he needs to say it in words despite clear restrictions. Even if it didn't work, he could have atleast tried it. "Subaru had better character development than every character of MT combined".Again, that's an exaggeration, backed up by nothing other than your biased-ness. To many people including me, Subaru's character development was almost non existent. Sure he went from being a shut in to a super reliable guy suddenly, but mentally he remained the same old crybaby that he was before, throwing tantrums and acting as if he owns the world. Also his obsession with emilia for no apparent reasons is cringy and creepy at the same time. Rudy on the other hand, developed slowly but progressively, eventually becoming better and better than his previous self. Also his change was visible, for an average viewer as well. Also, for the nth time, no emilia had no significant growth throughout the series, the one you talked about(confidence) is not some groundbreaking development, it's just maturity at best. She is just designed to be the perfect flawless waifu and that's it. Rem did have some good development but ultimately she's waifu bait as well, and I don't see her much relevant to the story. "Way better development" How exactly? Can you elaborate? "Way more than Rudy" Do you have reasons to prove how or is it just lip service? "Watch more anime" I don't need to watch more anime to understand that Subaru is a wimpass pathetic character with zero depth and likability. Judging by your replies from this thread, I'm probably older and smarter than you lol. Unlike you here, I tried countering each of your arguments point wise, while you resorted to silly little comebacks, as fitting for a nine year old like you. you're clearly as dumb as a rock, for a man who thinks he is smart. I regret even arguing with you at the first place, you have a very delusional sense of superiority. Go through the thread for once, I've literally tried writing down large paragraphs countering each of your arguments one by one, but you kept on responding the same 'I'm not reading. you're wrong, and I'm right' shit everytime. "Rudeus is a terrible main character". So is Subaru. The point is developing themselves forward from that point and rudy does it much better realistically, which I explained why in one of my previous replies. You're the one here who's constantly sucking on Subaru but for once you didn't explain why or how you think he has better development than rudy. "You have no idea what you're talking about". oh I do. The reason why I'm still here is explaining why I think MT is better. 'Dumb down shit to even get it across you" how can you possibly dumb it farther to me when you're clearly the dumber one here? Where the fuck did you even countered my points? The only thing I remember is you saying Subaru has better character development because he has return by death, and everytime he returns his interactions with the people around him again makes him more developed than his previous checkpoint. Thats not exactly development, that's just hax, and what he's gaining repetitively is just called experience to how to prevent death the next time. That's not realistic character development at all, and is more likely a plot device. Rudy's development is far more humane and realistic than this, he goes on from being an incel/neckbeard to a responsible, calm minded rational person, slowly moving on from his past. And I've said it before, this seems far more natural. Overall, Subaru's character development is sudden, abrupt and kind of unnatural, while Rudy's ch. development is slow, natural and above all, realistic. I just realised you called me a pedophile defender for liking this show. You sound like those people who think playing video games like grand Theft Auto makes you violent, anti social and a criminal. Let me get it right across your thick skull. Are you not capable of of understanding the difference between fiction and real life? People like Call of Duty, doesn't mean they are are actual school shooters or terrorist's. People like Attack on Titan, doesn't mean they actually support war crimes and mass genocide. People like Game of Thrones, doesn't mean they support r#pe or incest. We have transitioned from blaming games, to blaming cartoons now. You really need to change your outlook on things, otherwise you sound like a typical boomer. 9 year old kid incapable of having valid counter arguments finally resorts to name calling the same word he learnt a few days back again and again. Also your username tells me enough about you already lmao. |
Aug 13, 2022 11:33 PM
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swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: MT is worse than Re:Zero in every way but I guess only intelligent people would understand that. Sorry you aren’t intelligent enough to understand that Re:Zero is a masterpiece. Also you’ve been commenting on this thread for over 15 hours now, so you must not have anything better to do than watch mediocre anime like Mushoku Tenseiswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mushoku Tensei is fucking dogshit and you know itOkeanix said: nVn123 said: swagxmagician said: I think it’s easily the best isekai and I don’t think it’s close. Konosuba is really good, followed by Youjo Senki and maybe Mushoku Tensei, but I don’t think any other isekai I’ve ever seen has been close to as good as Re:Zero easily the best isekai lol what? Mushoku Tensei is objectively superior than Rezero. Let's see Re:Zero has - Superior Writing (no inconsistency, no forced plot, no plot holes, no plot armor) - Superior Characters (each one of them is unique, has their own motivations, has their own goal, has their own opinions, has their own growth) - Superior World & Lore (Re:Zero mystery style lorebuilding around Stars, World, Witches etc. far superior than any generic MT concept) - Superior Story (Re:Zero each arc different than each other and has amazing story in each arc, everything connected to each other) - Better Character Development (Each Re:Zero character changes through the story while Rudeus stays the same entire novel) - Better Musics & OSTs - Better Voice Acting want me go on? I can't think single thing MT is better lmao. its amazing how wrong can one person be. let me break down your bubble and summarise some bits for you in bullet points. 1) The animation is objectively inferior to MT. 2) The world building is almost non existent compared to MT. 3) The characters were uninteresting and flat, they all felt mechanical and had zero humane touch to them except Subaru. The development is superficial, the dialogues were boring and pretentious. 4) The setting was boring and uninspired, the battle choreography was terrible(the whale fight for instance). 5) The shows attempt at comedy were completely pathetic. 6)The ending of the Anime was underwhelming. 7) Plot Holes? The anime didn't explain two major plot points. a) why can't he describe his situation by writing down on a paper? b) why did he get reincarnated at the first place? Plot armour? He gets away everytime with his blunders just because he has the return by death ability, unlike MT where actions have actual consequences. Instead of getting a 'fuck off' as a reaction to his attitude, everything orbits around him, which is utter nonsense. 8) The romance is awkward and out of place. 9) No clear picture about the plot progression and the significance of some characters. 10)Music and OSTS are subjective opinion, unlike some other criteria. Overall, it's a decent show at best(an above average isekai with a cool concept) but is nowhere near as great as the fanboys claim it to be. MT however is rightfully called the grandfather of the isekai genre, because it's special and deserved to be called so. "Mushoku Tensei is fucking dogshit".Same guy who gave it an 8/10 lmao. Poor guy trying so hard just for the sake of this argument, it makes me feel bad for you. Apparently even MT haters can't deny how good the show is, it seems. 10/10 for effort. 0/10 for terrible taste. Bro first things first you didn't explain why you gave MT an 8/10. "MT is worse than ReZero in every way". Unfortunately, I don't see one single way how rezero does it better than MT. Neither do you have anything to prove how it's better except for saying it's better. "You aren't intelligent enough". Says the 14 year old kid thinks he's smarter after watching rezero, which really isn't anything intellectually engaging practically. Anyone can understand this show, get bored of it's repetitive storyline, zero developments, and long drawn out pointless dialogues. Try watching actual smart, brain whacking shows like Teen Titans Go, but I'm not sure if you have the necessary IQ to understand it. "You've been commenting on this thread for more than 15 hours". So are you. We're just replying to each other's comments, I'm not delivering a monologue here. 'ReZero is a masterpiece". No sadly. It's a decent show at best, no where near to be classified as a masterpiece by a long shot. The actual masterpiece IseKai is MT, and the majority of internet agrees with me on this one. |
Aug 13, 2022 11:36 PM
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nVn123 said: sorry but you’re wrong, Mushoku Tensei is average at best. It’s generic, like SAO. It’s a harem anime in an isekai world, just like every other isekai. I might as well watch the new slave harem anime that came out this season. Mushoku Tensei is nowhere near a masterpiece, but Re:Zero is. I’ve also watched more anime than you, so my fact matters more than your opinion.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mushoku Tensei is fucking dogshit and you know itOkeanix said: nVn123 said: swagxmagician said: I think it’s easily the best isekai and I don’t think it’s close. Konosuba is really good, followed by Youjo Senki and maybe Mushoku Tensei, but I don’t think any other isekai I’ve ever seen has been close to as good as Re:Zero easily the best isekai lol what? Mushoku Tensei is objectively superior than Rezero. Let's see Re:Zero has - Superior Writing (no inconsistency, no forced plot, no plot holes, no plot armor) - Superior Characters (each one of them is unique, has their own motivations, has their own goal, has their own opinions, has their own growth) - Superior World & Lore (Re:Zero mystery style lorebuilding around Stars, World, Witches etc. far superior than any generic MT concept) - Superior Story (Re:Zero each arc different than each other and has amazing story in each arc, everything connected to each other) - Better Character Development (Each Re:Zero character changes through the story while Rudeus stays the same entire novel) - Better Musics & OSTs - Better Voice Acting want me go on? I can't think single thing MT is better lmao. its amazing how wrong can one person be. let me break down your bubble and summarise some bits for you in bullet points. 1) The animation is objectively inferior to MT. 2) The world building is almost non existent compared to MT. 3) The characters were uninteresting and flat, they all felt mechanical and had zero humane touch to them except Subaru. The development is superficial, the dialogues were boring and pretentious. 4) The setting was boring and uninspired, the battle choreography was terrible(the whale fight for instance). 5) The shows attempt at comedy were completely pathetic. 6)The ending of the Anime was underwhelming. 7) Plot Holes? The anime didn't explain two major plot points. a) why can't he describe his situation by writing down on a paper? b) why did he get reincarnated at the first place? Plot armour? He gets away everytime with his blunders just because he has the return by death ability, unlike MT where actions have actual consequences. Instead of getting a 'fuck off' as a reaction to his attitude, everything orbits around him, which is utter nonsense. 8) The romance is awkward and out of place. 9) No clear picture about the plot progression and the significance of some characters. 10)Music and OSTS are subjective opinion, unlike some other criteria. Overall, it's a decent show at best(an above average isekai with a cool concept) but is nowhere near as great as the fanboys claim it to be. MT however is rightfully called the grandfather of the isekai genre, because it's special and deserved to be called so. "Mushoku Tensei is fucking dogshit".Same guy who gave it an 8/10 lmao. Poor guy trying so hard just for the sake of this argument, it makes me feel bad for you. Apparently even MT haters can't deny how good the show is, it seems. 10/10 for effort. 0/10 for terrible taste. Bro first things first you didn't explain why you gave MT an 8/10. "MT is worse than ReZero in every way". Unfortunately, I don't see one single way how rezero does it better than MT. Neither do you have anything to prove how it's better except for saying it's better. "You aren't intelligent enough". Says the 14 year old kid thinks he's smarter after watching rezero, which really isn't anything intellectually engaging practically. Anyone can understand this show, get bored of it's repetitive storyline, zero developments, and long drawn out pointless dialogues. Try watching actual smart, brain whacking shows like Teen Titans Go, but I'm not sure if you have the necessary IQ to understand it. "You've been commenting on this thread for more than 15 hours". So are you. We're just replying to each other's comments, I'm not delivering a monologue here. 'ReZero is a masterpiece". No sadly. It's a decent show at best, no where near to be classified as a masterpiece by a long shot. The actual masterpiece IseKai is MT, and the majority of internet agrees with me on this one. |
Aug 13, 2022 11:39 PM
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Horny4Porny said: nVn123 said: ok nigger pedophileHorny4Porny said: nVn123 said: oh ok so you’re a pedophile too.Horny4Porny said: swagxmagician said: lmao exactly. nvn is just defending a pedophilenVn123 said: yeah because being reincarnated and being able to do your entire life over again is extremely realistic character development right? Subaru had this exact same character development in season 2 when he met his parents again, but it was done better, and he also had more development during season 1 as well.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: you’re actually fucking delusional, I’ve literally given you examples on why Subaru is a better character you fucking hypocrite. Learn to read.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: you haven’t countered any of my arguments you just say the same shit over and over again, and you’re wrong everytime. Just face it, Mushoku Tensei is fucking dogshit. Rudeus is a terrible main character in a generic world with flat characters and no charm. Rudy’s only development was that he could walk forward after being a shut in like that’s a big fucking deal but it’s not. Subaru did the same thing in season 2 and had even more development in the 1st season as well. You say Subaru has little development but then go and say how Rudy development but it’s the exact same shit that Subaru did but Subaru did it better, so you’re just being a biased hypocrite. You don’t even know your own characters. You’re laughably biased to the point that I have to dumb down shit to even get it across to you. You have no idea what you’re talking about.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: ive already given you plenty of examples but I guess you just aren’t smart enough to comprehend what I’m saying. Should I dumb it down a bit for my little buddy? Does my wittle MT fan need me to hold his hand?swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Except everyone knows that Subaru had great character development. Way better development than Rudy and it’s not close. Watch more anime and maybe you’ll have better opinions because now you’re wrong and you don’t even know your own story.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: except Re:zero is better with everything you just listed so you’re factually wrong. Better music, characters, development, plot, world building, character design, and is a much more mature story. I’ve literally countered all of your points and you say I’ve said nothing so you must’ve not even read what I said. You don’t even know what your own show is about since you’re calling Rujierd a violent warrior that developed into a father figure LMAO that’s just false. Rujierd had no character development, he was a static character, which is fine but don’t try to label him as something else. Re:Zero has the best character development of any isekai and it’s not close, that’s almost the purpose of Return by Death from a writing perspective. Everytime Subaru dies the characters around him change based on his interactions with them and you get to see how they develop from his first meeting with them with him vs the main timeline of the story. With Rem, you get to see her go from a person with 0 confidence in the shadow of her sister that’s also hot-headed and over-protective to someone that is able to become her own person and is able to make decisions without being rash. Rem and Emilia both had more character development than even Rudeus did, not just Mushoku’s side characters. Subaru had more character development than every character in Mushoku combined. If you didn’t get that then you didn’t even watch the show, or you’re just not capable of understanding it. Please go rewatch Mushoku because you obviously didn’t get the story. Maybe once you rewatch you’ll understand that it’s average at best.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: shit zero is already a better anime than Midshoku Shitsei! it’s crazy that Rudeus starts working with the Dragon God because the Man God threatens to kill Rudy’s family! Rudeus has erectile dysfunction after his lolI harem no character development Eris leaves him! Hope I didn’t spoil anything! Still a worse plot than Re:zero though.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: just like it’s a fact that Re:zero is better than Midshoku Shitsei! Glad you agreeswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: not reading that because you’re wrong and I’m right. Rudeus = boring. Eris = generic tsundere. Rujierd = boring. I’m not biased for Re:zero, I’m right.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: if you don’t think Emilia didn’t have character development you didn’t watch the show, so you obviously can’t have an opinion in this. Emilia before and after her trials are almost completely different characters. She became way more confident in herself and she was able to make decisions on her own instead of second guessing herself. Instead of a reactionary character she caused the reaction. Rujierd was the exact same character from the start of the show to the end of the show. Rujierd was never a violent warrior, he became violent because of a curse. Did you even watch the show? Eris had less development than Rem and Emilia. Rem went from a self-deprecating character to one that had faith in herself, and no longer felt like she was in her sister’s shadow. She finally felt like she had a purpose in life after Subaru saved her. She stopped being cold to everyone and opened up. If you say there was no character development in Re:Zero, you didn’t even watch past episode 1. Subaru developed more in episode 1 than Rudy did in the first 10 episodes.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: it’s average. No character aside from Rudy had any character development, they managed to all stay boring and flat. The world isn’t interesting, Rudy is a typical OP protagonist with a harem like every other isekai and he’s not even a good protagonist either. Most of the season felt like filler, especially when he was in the beast village. It’s just an extremely average show. People that say it’s the best isekai probably think that SAO is also the best isekai.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: erased had a terrible ending and was still better than MT, Summertime Render is a worse version of Re:Zero with a worse OST, worse characters, and worse world building. It’s still better than MT though. Also, both MC’s are still better than Rudeus. At least Subaru has real reasons to cry unlike Rudeus that cried because he got laid and ran off on by his loli harem girl. MT is generic as fuckswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mid Tensei doesn’t hold a candle to Re:Zero. Subaru might be the best MC of all time and Rudeus is generic. People hyped up Turning Point 2 to be one of the best episodes of all time but that shit was average at best compared to the peaks of Re:Zero. It’s just a show with nothing but fan service of panties and a harem like Rent a GF. Mid at best. If you don’t think Re:Zero is better, it’s because you aren’t smart enough to understand it.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: MT has no story, it’s just a harem anime like rent a GFswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mushoku mid at best imo. Same tier as SAOswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: mushoku tensei is objectively worse than re:zero. Worse characters. worse OST, worse worldbuilding, worse plot. The only thing Mushoku beats Re:zero on is the magic system, and that's barely.swagxmagician said: I think it’s easily the best isekai and I don’t think it’s close. Konosuba is really good, followed by Youjo Senki and maybe Mushoku Tensei, but I don’t think any other isekai I’ve ever seen has been close to as good as Re:Zero easily the best isekai lol what? Mushoku Tensei is objectively superior than Rezero. MT has incredible ost, far incredible world building (Rezero doesn't have any significant world building) and all the characters of MT are much more humane than shit-zero. Rezero's characters behave like fucking NPCs, only Subaru is somewhat rational, the rest like emilia and beatrice are extremely unlikable pieces of shit. The only argument shit zero fans have against MT is by calling rudeus a pedophile, which he isn't considering he is still a child in that world. But at the same time, He is leagues above that pathetic MC Subaru whose only existence is based on simping for emilia for no fucking reason. And don't get me started on the plot lol, MT has everything it needs to be called the grandfather of the isekai genre. Shit Zero is boring, the characters are uninteresting and bland, the plot goes nowhere, the setting was uninspired with almost zero world building, the story was cliche and the music is just meh. ReZero doesn't hold a candle to Mushoku Tensei, it's just a pretentious and superficial story with no depth whatsoever. You're just sprouting random BS at this point lmao. Bro thinks he is smarter after watching that repetitive piece of shit lmao. There are far more better shows of similar genre like erased and summertime render, which actually make sense. Also, subaru the best mc lol what? He is probably one of the worst mc I've ever seen, he suddenly goes from being an useless NEET to being a super reliable guy, while the other characters remain underdeveloped and static throughout the entire show. Heck even kazuya from rent a gf is somewhat less pathetic than this abomination of a character. World building is not necessary for every anime, particularly if it's not an isekai. (Even so summertime render has a better and more vibrant world than reZero lol) . Moreover a bad ending cannot downplay the likability of the entirety of the show(Erased). And your only argument against mt here is that it's Bad, but you have no strong reasons to support why, unlike me who just listed all the possible causes for why I think rezero is trash. are you sure we watched the same show my guy? Every character in MT had serious character development; Rudeus, Eris, Ruijerd and Paul being the most significant ones. Eris went on from being an annoying brat to a super wholesome, likable character. Ruijerd developed a lot too, from a violent, ruthless warrior to a kind, father like figure. Paul from being a carefree playboy to an actual mature and responsible adult. Rudeus had one of the best character development, he started redeeming himself slowly but progressively, learning from his past. ReZero fans shouldn't debate about stuff such as character development lol, the entire cast of rezero has little to zero personality whatsoever. Emilia is a bland af character, she has no interesting dialogues, no personality or development and she is completely useless, the only thing going for her is she's cute and that's all. I also don't like rem, she brings nothing to the table and her obsession with Subaru makes no sense either. The only character with character development was the insufferable mc, Subaru, whose apparently sole existence is to simp over emilia for no fucking reason. You're just biased af for rezero, that's clearly visible from your answers since I watched the entire show as well. No.Emilia had no character development, she remained a bland af character from starting to finish. She only has a limited vocabulary everytime we see her on screen. She solely exists for Subaru to be an idiot and lust over her and basically be a trophy waifu. She's a goal/prize rather than an actual character, a detriment to this series and is nothing more than a plot device. Confidence or whatever you're talking about is just an excuse to cover up for her negligible growth throughout the series. Ruijerd before meeting rudeus and eris didn't have a purpose, but eventually he developed a lot and finally had an ambition to pursue, i.e clearing the name of his superd race, which he initially gave up upon helplessly, and was just agonising about his past blunders. For a side character, that's decent enough character progression. "Eris had less development than rem and emilia". Lmao the internet and everyone else who watched both the shows says otherwise. MT unlike rezero had realistic character development. Mushoku has some of the most human characters ever. "Subaru developed more in episode 1 than rudy did in the first 10 episodes".Thats the point, you can't expect changes right away, his redeeming arc is slow but progressive, he gradually becomes a better person from an insufferable douchebag, this series is about rudeus living his life because he failed to do so in his previous one, also meanwhile learning from his past. This is what makes MT significantly better than rezero, the story has realistic humane characters, actions have consequences, the world building is immaculate, how the show addresses trauma and recovery from it. Also the animation and art style of MT is leagues above rezero, the production quality is top notch, the fights especially the dragon God vs rudeus crew fight was brilliantly executed and animated, compared to the lackluster ones in rezero. lmao good for you. facts don't care about opinions anyway lol. midshoku shitsei=no meaning Shit Zero=feels like an actual title. truly an anime deserving of it's title👑. don't mind the spoilers but why are you discussing random plot points here lmao. I have given enough reasons by now why I believe mt is better than reZero, but you had no sensible counter arguments against all these, except for repeatedly branding of Rudeus as an incel, which is true, but his development from this state is basically the point of the series. Animation, world building, character interactions and development, realism, music, story,etc.all of these makes MT superior to reZero, there is a reason why it's called the grandfather of the IseKai genre. You didn't counter any of my points, you just regurgitated everything I said back to me lol. Music and Plot favouritism can be subjective, but MT definitely had some of the best character development and world building seen in recent years, along with a strong cast of side characters, the reasons which made it immensely popular. "You're just not capable of understanding it" lmao this is the perfect excuse fans give when they know their show is trash. There are far more Intellectually stimulating shows then this one, with far more deep and mature themes. You don't need to be a genius to understand reZero. It also has some potential plot holes, the primary one being the return by death power. There were multiple ways to explain his special situation(drawing, writing, body language) but no he needs to say it in words despite clear restrictions. Even if it didn't work, he could have atleast tried it. "Subaru had better character development than every character of MT combined".Again, that's an exaggeration, backed up by nothing other than your biased-ness. To many people including me, Subaru's character development was almost non existent. Sure he went from being a shut in to a super reliable guy suddenly, but mentally he remained the same old crybaby that he was before, throwing tantrums and acting as if he owns the world. Also his obsession with emilia for no apparent reasons is cringy and creepy at the same time. Rudy on the other hand, developed slowly but progressively, eventually becoming better and better than his previous self. Also his change was visible, for an average viewer as well. Also, for the nth time, no emilia had no significant growth throughout the series, the one you talked about(confidence) is not some groundbreaking development, it's just maturity at best. She is just designed to be the perfect flawless waifu and that's it. Rem did have some good development but ultimately she's waifu bait as well, and I don't see her much relevant to the story. "Way better development" How exactly? Can you elaborate? "Way more than Rudy" Do you have reasons to prove how or is it just lip service? "Watch more anime" I don't need to watch more anime to understand that Subaru is a wimpass pathetic character with zero depth and likability. Judging by your replies from this thread, I'm probably older and smarter than you lol. Unlike you here, I tried countering each of your arguments point wise, while you resorted to silly little comebacks, as fitting for a nine year old like you. you're clearly as dumb as a rock, for a man who thinks he is smart. I regret even arguing with you at the first place, you have a very delusional sense of superiority. Go through the thread for once, I've literally tried writing down large paragraphs countering each of your arguments one by one, but you kept on responding the same 'I'm not reading. you're wrong, and I'm right' shit everytime. "Rudeus is a terrible main character". So is Subaru. The point is developing themselves forward from that point and rudy does it much better realistically, which I explained why in one of my previous replies. You're the one here who's constantly sucking on Subaru but for once you didn't explain why or how you think he has better development than rudy. "You have no idea what you're talking about". oh I do. The reason why I'm still here is explaining why I think MT is better. 'Dumb down shit to even get it across you" how can you possibly dumb it farther to me when you're clearly the dumber one here? Where the fuck did you even countered my points? The only thing I remember is you saying Subaru has better character development because he has return by death, and everytime he returns his interactions with the people around him again makes him more developed than his previous checkpoint. Thats not exactly development, that's just hax, and what he's gaining repetitively is just called experience to how to prevent death the next time. That's not realistic character development at all, and is more likely a plot device. Rudy's development is far more humane and realistic than this, he goes on from being an incel/neckbeard to a responsible, calm minded rational person, slowly moving on from his past. And I've said it before, this seems far more natural. Overall, Subaru's character development is sudden, abrupt and kind of unnatural, while Rudy's ch. development is slow, natural and above all, realistic. I just realised you called me a pedophile defender for liking this show. You sound like those people who think playing video games like grand Theft Auto makes you violent, anti social and a criminal. Let me get it right across your thick skull. Are you not capable of of understanding the difference between fiction and real life? People like Call of Duty, doesn't mean they are are actual school shooters or terrorist's. People like Attack on Titan, doesn't mean they actually support war crimes and mass genocide. People like Game of Thrones, doesn't mean they support r#pe or incest. We have transitioned from blaming games, to blaming cartoons now. You really need to change your outlook on things, otherwise you sound like a typical boomer. 9 year old kid incapable of having valid counter arguments finally resorts to name calling the same word he learnt a few days back again and again. Also your username tells me enough about you already lmao. hand over your phone to your momma kid, or else she will punish you. Also you should never use contemptuous terms like the one you used rn on a public forum, for your own safety. |
Aug 13, 2022 11:40 PM
#147
nVn123 said: also I’m going to stop replying because I’ve proven you wrong everytime and you keep going, so it sounds like you don’t even care about facts. Like the fact that Re;Zero is a masterpiece and Mushoku Tensei is average at best. So goodbye, and I’m right, you’re not.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mushoku Tensei is fucking dogshit and you know itOkeanix said: nVn123 said: swagxmagician said: I think it’s easily the best isekai and I don’t think it’s close. Konosuba is really good, followed by Youjo Senki and maybe Mushoku Tensei, but I don’t think any other isekai I’ve ever seen has been close to as good as Re:Zero easily the best isekai lol what? Mushoku Tensei is objectively superior than Rezero. Let's see Re:Zero has - Superior Writing (no inconsistency, no forced plot, no plot holes, no plot armor) - Superior Characters (each one of them is unique, has their own motivations, has their own goal, has their own opinions, has their own growth) - Superior World & Lore (Re:Zero mystery style lorebuilding around Stars, World, Witches etc. far superior than any generic MT concept) - Superior Story (Re:Zero each arc different than each other and has amazing story in each arc, everything connected to each other) - Better Character Development (Each Re:Zero character changes through the story while Rudeus stays the same entire novel) - Better Musics & OSTs - Better Voice Acting want me go on? I can't think single thing MT is better lmao. its amazing how wrong can one person be. let me break down your bubble and summarise some bits for you in bullet points. 1) The animation is objectively inferior to MT. 2) The world building is almost non existent compared to MT. 3) The characters were uninteresting and flat, they all felt mechanical and had zero humane touch to them except Subaru. The development is superficial, the dialogues were boring and pretentious. 4) The setting was boring and uninspired, the battle choreography was terrible(the whale fight for instance). 5) The shows attempt at comedy were completely pathetic. 6)The ending of the Anime was underwhelming. 7) Plot Holes? The anime didn't explain two major plot points. a) why can't he describe his situation by writing down on a paper? b) why did he get reincarnated at the first place? Plot armour? He gets away everytime with his blunders just because he has the return by death ability, unlike MT where actions have actual consequences. Instead of getting a 'fuck off' as a reaction to his attitude, everything orbits around him, which is utter nonsense. 8) The romance is awkward and out of place. 9) No clear picture about the plot progression and the significance of some characters. 10)Music and OSTS are subjective opinion, unlike some other criteria. Overall, it's a decent show at best(an above average isekai with a cool concept) but is nowhere near as great as the fanboys claim it to be. MT however is rightfully called the grandfather of the isekai genre, because it's special and deserved to be called so. "Mushoku Tensei is fucking dogshit".Same guy who gave it an 8/10 lmao. Poor guy trying so hard just for the sake of this argument, it makes me feel bad for you. Apparently even MT haters can't deny how good the show is, it seems. 10/10 for effort. 0/10 for terrible taste. Bro first things first you didn't explain why you gave MT an 8/10. "MT is worse than ReZero in every way". Unfortunately, I don't see one single way how rezero does it better than MT. Neither do you have anything to prove how it's better except for saying it's better. "You aren't intelligent enough". Says the 14 year old kid thinks he's smarter after watching rezero, which really isn't anything intellectually engaging practically. Anyone can understand this show, get bored of it's repetitive storyline, zero developments, and long drawn out pointless dialogues. Try watching actual smart, brain whacking shows like Teen Titans Go, but I'm not sure if you have the necessary IQ to understand it. "You've been commenting on this thread for more than 15 hours". So are you. We're just replying to each other's comments, I'm not delivering a monologue here. 'ReZero is a masterpiece". No sadly. It's a decent show at best, no where near to be classified as a masterpiece by a long shot. The actual masterpiece IseKai is MT, and the majority of internet agrees with me on this one. |
Aug 13, 2022 11:41 PM
#148
swagxmagician said: OWN THAT PEDOPHILEnVn123 said: also I’m going to stop replying because I’ve proven you wrong everytime and you keep going, so it sounds like you don’t even care about facts. Like the fact that Re;Zero is a masterpiece and Mushoku Tensei is average at best. So goodbye, and I’m right, you’re not.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: MT is worse than Re:Zero in every way but I guess only intelligent people would understand that. Sorry you aren’t intelligent enough to understand that Re:Zero is a masterpiece. Also you’ve been commenting on this thread for over 15 hours now, so you must not have anything better to do than watch mediocre anime like Mushoku Tenseiswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mushoku Tensei is fucking dogshit and you know itOkeanix said: nVn123 said: swagxmagician said: I think it’s easily the best isekai and I don’t think it’s close. Konosuba is really good, followed by Youjo Senki and maybe Mushoku Tensei, but I don’t think any other isekai I’ve ever seen has been close to as good as Re:Zero easily the best isekai lol what? Mushoku Tensei is objectively superior than Rezero. Let's see Re:Zero has - Superior Writing (no inconsistency, no forced plot, no plot holes, no plot armor) - Superior Characters (each one of them is unique, has their own motivations, has their own goal, has their own opinions, has their own growth) - Superior World & Lore (Re:Zero mystery style lorebuilding around Stars, World, Witches etc. far superior than any generic MT concept) - Superior Story (Re:Zero each arc different than each other and has amazing story in each arc, everything connected to each other) - Better Character Development (Each Re:Zero character changes through the story while Rudeus stays the same entire novel) - Better Musics & OSTs - Better Voice Acting want me go on? I can't think single thing MT is better lmao. its amazing how wrong can one person be. let me break down your bubble and summarise some bits for you in bullet points. 1) The animation is objectively inferior to MT. 2) The world building is almost non existent compared to MT. 3) The characters were uninteresting and flat, they all felt mechanical and had zero humane touch to them except Subaru. The development is superficial, the dialogues were boring and pretentious. 4) The setting was boring and uninspired, the battle choreography was terrible(the whale fight for instance). 5) The shows attempt at comedy were completely pathetic. 6)The ending of the Anime was underwhelming. 7) Plot Holes? The anime didn't explain two major plot points. a) why can't he describe his situation by writing down on a paper? b) why did he get reincarnated at the first place? Plot armour? He gets away everytime with his blunders just because he has the return by death ability, unlike MT where actions have actual consequences. Instead of getting a 'fuck off' as a reaction to his attitude, everything orbits around him, which is utter nonsense. 8) The romance is awkward and out of place. 9) No clear picture about the plot progression and the significance of some characters. 10)Music and OSTS are subjective opinion, unlike some other criteria. Overall, it's a decent show at best(an above average isekai with a cool concept) but is nowhere near as great as the fanboys claim it to be. MT however is rightfully called the grandfather of the isekai genre, because it's special and deserved to be called so. "Mushoku Tensei is fucking dogshit".Same guy who gave it an 8/10 lmao. Poor guy trying so hard just for the sake of this argument, it makes me feel bad for you. Apparently even MT haters can't deny how good the show is, it seems. 10/10 for effort. 0/10 for terrible taste. Bro first things first you didn't explain why you gave MT an 8/10. "MT is worse than ReZero in every way". Unfortunately, I don't see one single way how rezero does it better than MT. Neither do you have anything to prove how it's better except for saying it's better. "You aren't intelligent enough". Says the 14 year old kid thinks he's smarter after watching rezero, which really isn't anything intellectually engaging practically. Anyone can understand this show, get bored of it's repetitive storyline, zero developments, and long drawn out pointless dialogues. Try watching actual smart, brain whacking shows like Teen Titans Go, but I'm not sure if you have the necessary IQ to understand it. "You've been commenting on this thread for more than 15 hours". So are you. We're just replying to each other's comments, I'm not delivering a monologue here. 'ReZero is a masterpiece". No sadly. It's a decent show at best, no where near to be classified as a masterpiece by a long shot. The actual masterpiece IseKai is MT, and the majority of internet agrees with me on this one. |
Aug 13, 2022 11:47 PM
#149
swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: also I’m going to stop replying because I’ve proven you wrong everytime and you keep going, so it sounds like you don’t even care about facts. Like the fact that Re;Zero is a masterpiece and Mushoku Tensei is average at best. So goodbye, and I’m right, you’re not.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: MT is worse than Re:Zero in every way but I guess only intelligent people would understand that. Sorry you aren’t intelligent enough to understand that Re:Zero is a masterpiece. Also you’ve been commenting on this thread for over 15 hours now, so you must not have anything better to do than watch mediocre anime like Mushoku Tenseiswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mushoku Tensei is fucking dogshit and you know itOkeanix said: nVn123 said: swagxmagician said: I think it’s easily the best isekai and I don’t think it’s close. Konosuba is really good, followed by Youjo Senki and maybe Mushoku Tensei, but I don’t think any other isekai I’ve ever seen has been close to as good as Re:Zero easily the best isekai lol what? Mushoku Tensei is objectively superior than Rezero. Let's see Re:Zero has - Superior Writing (no inconsistency, no forced plot, no plot holes, no plot armor) - Superior Characters (each one of them is unique, has their own motivations, has their own goal, has their own opinions, has their own growth) - Superior World & Lore (Re:Zero mystery style lorebuilding around Stars, World, Witches etc. far superior than any generic MT concept) - Superior Story (Re:Zero each arc different than each other and has amazing story in each arc, everything connected to each other) - Better Character Development (Each Re:Zero character changes through the story while Rudeus stays the same entire novel) - Better Musics & OSTs - Better Voice Acting want me go on? I can't think single thing MT is better lmao. its amazing how wrong can one person be. let me break down your bubble and summarise some bits for you in bullet points. 1) The animation is objectively inferior to MT. 2) The world building is almost non existent compared to MT. 3) The characters were uninteresting and flat, they all felt mechanical and had zero humane touch to them except Subaru. The development is superficial, the dialogues were boring and pretentious. 4) The setting was boring and uninspired, the battle choreography was terrible(the whale fight for instance). 5) The shows attempt at comedy were completely pathetic. 6)The ending of the Anime was underwhelming. 7) Plot Holes? The anime didn't explain two major plot points. a) why can't he describe his situation by writing down on a paper? b) why did he get reincarnated at the first place? Plot armour? He gets away everytime with his blunders just because he has the return by death ability, unlike MT where actions have actual consequences. Instead of getting a 'fuck off' as a reaction to his attitude, everything orbits around him, which is utter nonsense. 8) The romance is awkward and out of place. 9) No clear picture about the plot progression and the significance of some characters. 10)Music and OSTS are subjective opinion, unlike some other criteria. Overall, it's a decent show at best(an above average isekai with a cool concept) but is nowhere near as great as the fanboys claim it to be. MT however is rightfully called the grandfather of the isekai genre, because it's special and deserved to be called so. "Mushoku Tensei is fucking dogshit".Same guy who gave it an 8/10 lmao. Poor guy trying so hard just for the sake of this argument, it makes me feel bad for you. Apparently even MT haters can't deny how good the show is, it seems. 10/10 for effort. 0/10 for terrible taste. Bro first things first you didn't explain why you gave MT an 8/10. "MT is worse than ReZero in every way". Unfortunately, I don't see one single way how rezero does it better than MT. Neither do you have anything to prove how it's better except for saying it's better. "You aren't intelligent enough". Says the 14 year old kid thinks he's smarter after watching rezero, which really isn't anything intellectually engaging practically. Anyone can understand this show, get bored of it's repetitive storyline, zero developments, and long drawn out pointless dialogues. Try watching actual smart, brain whacking shows like Teen Titans Go, but I'm not sure if you have the necessary IQ to understand it. "You've been commenting on this thread for more than 15 hours". So are you. We're just replying to each other's comments, I'm not delivering a monologue here. 'ReZero is a masterpiece". No sadly. It's a decent show at best, no where near to be classified as a masterpiece by a long shot. The actual masterpiece IseKai is MT, and the majority of internet agrees with me on this one. Rezero being a masterpiece is not a fact and neither is MT being average. That's just your opinions, you ignorant dumbfuck. Also you didn't prove me why you think rezero is better Anywhere, you're just copying whatever I'm saying and throwing it back to me. Seriously, I don't get it why fools like you overestimate your intelligence, you have literally no valid points to back whatever you're typing. MT is the GRANDfather of IseKai, and it's a masterclass which stand apart from the rest of the crowd. Even popular aniTubers like Garnt agrees with me. Also you watching more anime than me doesn't make your comment more relevant lol. |
Aug 13, 2022 11:57 PM
#150
swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: also I’m going to stop replying because I’ve proven you wrong everytime and you keep going, so it sounds like you don’t even care about facts. Like the fact that Re;Zero is a masterpiece and Mushoku Tensei is average at best. So goodbye, and I’m right, you’re not.swagxmagician said: nVn123 said: MT is worse than Re:Zero in every way but I guess only intelligent people would understand that. Sorry you aren’t intelligent enough to understand that Re:Zero is a masterpiece. Also you’ve been commenting on this thread for over 15 hours now, so you must not have anything better to do than watch mediocre anime like Mushoku Tenseiswagxmagician said: nVn123 said: Mushoku Tensei is fucking dogshit and you know itOkeanix said: nVn123 said: swagxmagician said: I think it’s easily the best isekai and I don’t think it’s close. Konosuba is really good, followed by Youjo Senki and maybe Mushoku Tensei, but I don’t think any other isekai I’ve ever seen has been close to as good as Re:Zero easily the best isekai lol what? Mushoku Tensei is objectively superior than Rezero. Let's see Re:Zero has - Superior Writing (no inconsistency, no forced plot, no plot holes, no plot armor) - Superior Characters (each one of them is unique, has their own motivations, has their own goal, has their own opinions, has their own growth) - Superior World & Lore (Re:Zero mystery style lorebuilding around Stars, World, Witches etc. far superior than any generic MT concept) - Superior Story (Re:Zero each arc different than each other and has amazing story in each arc, everything connected to each other) - Better Character Development (Each Re:Zero character changes through the story while Rudeus stays the same entire novel) - Better Musics & OSTs - Better Voice Acting want me go on? I can't think single thing MT is better lmao. its amazing how wrong can one person be. let me break down your bubble and summarise some bits for you in bullet points. 1) The animation is objectively inferior to MT. 2) The world building is almost non existent compared to MT. 3) The characters were uninteresting and flat, they all felt mechanical and had zero humane touch to them except Subaru. The development is superficial, the dialogues were boring and pretentious. 4) The setting was boring and uninspired, the battle choreography was terrible(the whale fight for instance). 5) The shows attempt at comedy were completely pathetic. 6)The ending of the Anime was underwhelming. 7) Plot Holes? The anime didn't explain two major plot points. a) why can't he describe his situation by writing down on a paper? b) why did he get reincarnated at the first place? Plot armour? He gets away everytime with his blunders just because he has the return by death ability, unlike MT where actions have actual consequences. Instead of getting a 'fuck off' as a reaction to his attitude, everything orbits around him, which is utter nonsense. 8) The romance is awkward and out of place. 9) No clear picture about the plot progression and the significance of some characters. 10)Music and OSTS are subjective opinion, unlike some other criteria. Overall, it's a decent show at best(an above average isekai with a cool concept) but is nowhere near as great as the fanboys claim it to be. MT however is rightfully called the grandfather of the isekai genre, because it's special and deserved to be called so. "Mushoku Tensei is fucking dogshit".Same guy who gave it an 8/10 lmao. Poor guy trying so hard just for the sake of this argument, it makes me feel bad for you. Apparently even MT haters can't deny how good the show is, it seems. 10/10 for effort. 0/10 for terrible taste. Bro first things first you didn't explain why you gave MT an 8/10. "MT is worse than ReZero in every way". Unfortunately, I don't see one single way how rezero does it better than MT. Neither do you have anything to prove how it's better except for saying it's better. "You aren't intelligent enough". Says the 14 year old kid thinks he's smarter after watching rezero, which really isn't anything intellectually engaging practically. Anyone can understand this show, get bored of it's repetitive storyline, zero developments, and long drawn out pointless dialogues. Try watching actual smart, brain whacking shows like Teen Titans Go, but I'm not sure if you have the necessary IQ to understand it. "You've been commenting on this thread for more than 15 hours". So are you. We're just replying to each other's comments, I'm not delivering a monologue here. 'ReZero is a masterpiece". No sadly. It's a decent show at best, no where near to be classified as a masterpiece by a long shot. The actual masterpiece IseKai is MT, and the majority of internet agrees with me on this one. "I have proven you wrong everytime". For the nth time I'll say it again, YOU Haven't, EVEN ONCE, you just keep repeating your nonsense tryhard opinions and label them as facts, and then believe you've won the argument. Complete your schooling first, learn how to debate, and then come to me. |
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