Broken logic along with the power system.

Nick_Rick_20 said:
I officially declare that DBS has one of the worst power systems in anime, if not the worst.

If earlier (in the DBZ) special abilities and various characteristics more or less combined well with a huge destructive potential, now the combination has become very bad.

In Dragon Ball Super, not strength, but skill began to play a big role. It would seem that this is a great thing. But the implementation here is the worst.

First of all, the Dragon Ball fighters are already martial artists, and they already know almost everything. In general, there is nothing to teach them already. However, in the Dragon Ball Super, they spat on this and exposed the heroes as fools who did not know about martial arts.

Secondly, teamwork began to play a big role.
This has never happened in DBZ. For example, even with teamwork and joint attacks, according to normal logic, even if working together, two Super Saiyan 1 Gohan would not even be able to properly injure Super Saiyan 2 Gohan. The latter does not need any serious tactics, thoughtfulness of their actions and coherence. He's just in a "different weight class". It's like two 50-pound fighters attacking a 100-pound one. No amount of teamwork will help them.

In Dragon Ball Super, especially in the Toyotaro manga, teamwork became stronger than the huge difference in strength, and, spitting on logic, began to defeat it. In other words, teamwork has become a piano. Template power of friendship.
In Dragon Ball Super teamwork allows you to overcome more than 100 times the difference in strength!



Thirdly, regarding martial arts again, accuracy and skill also became "strength out of thin air", similar to team attacks, making it easy to overcome high superiority in strength.

So, for example, by simply predicting where Hit would hit, Son Goku in the Champa tournament was able to fight him in basic form. Better than Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta. Is it okay that being a Blue, Vegeta is over 400 times stronger than Son Goku? He has a reaction more than 400 times higher, speed, endurance, strength. Even if Goku saw Hit's punches, one such punch should have knocked him out since Goku was in base form.

Even in the first Naruto series, the situation is better! It's all so bad! Has anyone watched Naruto? There, Sasuke fought Rock Lee, and despite seeing all of his attacks with his Sharingan eyes, his body just didn't have time to do anything against them.
So, in the battle with Hit, there should have been about the same situation.

Or another vivid example: Migatte no Gokui.
This technique simply allows you to increase the response of the basic form and the accuracy of movements without adding any strength. But this allows her to suddenly become stronger than Super Saiyan Blue with 20x Kaioken and Genki Dama. This is just a real hail of spitting in the direction of logic.

In the manga, even worse, even Muten Roshi was able to use the makings of this technique to dodge Jiren's attacks.
And Roshi has no growth of strength. Even one of the Justice Warriors scanned Roshi and didn't notice any progress in strength. Power doesn't really increase.
This is just a message of all the progress passed earlier to hell!
We are directly told that Son Goku and his friends have not learned any lessons from the past and are not martial artists, but this is a blatant lie.

In the same manga, the Justice Team warriors were able to avoid the attacks of the Legendary Super Saiyan Kell by simply calculating what she would do, again not caring about the overwhelming difference in power.

In conclusion, let's say that in Dragon Ball Super, strength characteristics play a much less important role than teamwork and skill. In some magical way, teamwork and skill are much more effective, working like "strength from thin air". They seem to drastically increase all stats by a greater number of times than natural, natural, direct stat boosts.

Nick_Rick_20 said:

I see that on this site society has degraded to such an extent that it judges a person according to lists.
Sadly...

Nick_Rick_20 said:


Do you understand that in the classic series, a 2-fold difference is instant death? Yes, not even twice, but one and a half. For example, Vegeta (24,000) one shot Cui (18,000). Or Goku (150,000,000) succumbed to Frieza (120,000,000) if only he could somehow fight.
And I gave an example with Gohan so that you can understand that just the difference of 2 times is, again, instant death.
The Cell Juniors were played with SSJ 2 Stage Vegeta while SSJ2 Gohan one shot those same Cell Juniors.

DBS did not give a damn about this overwhelming difference.
The fight between Roshi and Jiren is absolutely ridiculous. It's like Tao Pai Pai fighting Frieza's 4th form.
No technique, according to normal logic, can help Roshi dodge at least Jiren's slow blow.
THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE BY ELEMENTARY LOGIC!

About Hit.
So the fact of the matter is that Goku in Blue has to one-shot Hit. Just destroy with presence.
Blue is stronger than God, God is stronger than SSJ3, which has a base form multiplier of 400.
The difference is more than 400 times, CARL! If this fight was in DBZ, then Goku, being Blue, would take Hit off with an aura. He wouldn't even need to dodge Hit's attacks, then Goku's body strength is more than 400 times greater! Also, Hit simply does not have time to use his technique, because Goku's speed is more than 400 times higher than the basic form with which he fought Hit. MORE THAN 400 TIMES!
(I have not yet taken into account the 10-fold Kaioken: 400 * 10 = 4000!)
I repeat, a difference of 2 times is instant death, and even a difference of more than 400 times you must understand yourself.
If you want to assume that Hit was holding back, then this situation gets even sillier, since he then had to use less than 0.25% of his entire strength against Basic Goku.

Nick_Rick_20 said:


Do you understand that in the classic series, a 2-fold difference is instant death? Yes, not even twice, but one and a half. For example, Vegeta (24,000) one shot Cui (18,000). Or Goku (150,000,000) succumbed to Frieza (120,000,000) if only he could somehow fight.
And I gave an example with Gohan so that you can understand that just the difference of 2 times is, again, instant death.
The Cell Juniors were played with SSJ 2 Stage Vegeta while SSJ2 Gohan one shot those same Cell Juniors.

DBS did not give a damn about this overwhelming difference.
The fight between Roshi and Jiren is absolutely ridiculous. It's like Tao Pai Pai fighting Frieza's 4th form.
No technique, according to normal logic, can help Roshi dodge at least Jiren's slow blow.
THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE BY ELEMENTARY LOGIC!

About Hit.
So the fact of the matter is that Goku in Blue has to one-shot Hit. Just destroy with presence.
Blue is stronger than God, God is stronger than SSJ3, which has a base form multiplier of 400.
The difference is more than 400 times, CARL! If this fight was in DBZ, then Goku, being Blue, would take Hit off with an aura. He wouldn't even need to dodge Hit's attacks, then Goku's body strength is more than 400 times greater! Also, Hit simply does not have time to use his technique, because Goku's speed is more than 400 times higher than the basic form with which he fought Hit. MORE THAN 400 TIMES!
(I have not yet taken into account the 10-fold Kaioken: 400 * 10 = 4000!)
I repeat, a difference of 2 times is instant death, and even a difference of more than 400 times you must understand yourself.
If you want to assume that Hit was holding back, then this situation gets even sillier, since he then had to use less than 0.25% of his entire strength against Basic Goku.

Nick_Rick_20 said:


Do you understand that in the classic series, a 2-fold difference is instant death? Yes, not even twice, but one and a half. For example, Vegeta (24,000) one shot Cui (18,000). Or Goku (150,000,000) succumbed to Frieza (120,000,000) if only he could somehow fight.
And I gave an example with Gohan so that you can understand that just the difference of 2 times is, again, instant death.
The Cell Juniors were played with SSJ 2 Stage Vegeta while SSJ2 Gohan one shot those same Cell Juniors.

DBS did not give a damn about this overwhelming difference.
The fight between Roshi and Jiren is absolutely ridiculous. It's like Tao Pai Pai fighting Frieza's 4th form.
No technique, according to normal logic, can help Roshi dodge at least Jiren's slow blow.
THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE BY ELEMENTARY LOGIC!

About Hit.
So the fact of the matter is that Goku in Blue has to one-shot Hit. Just destroy with presence.
Blue is stronger than God, God is stronger than SSJ3, which has a base form multiplier of 400.
The difference is more than 400 times, CARL! If this fight was in DBZ, then Goku, being Blue, would take Hit off with an aura. He wouldn't even need to dodge Hit's attacks, then Goku's body strength is more than 400 times greater! Also, Hit simply does not have time to use his technique, because Goku's speed is more than 400 times higher than the basic form with which he fought Hit. MORE THAN 400 TIMES!
(I have not yet taken into account the 10-fold Kaioken: 400 * 10 = 4000!)
I repeat, a difference of 2 times is instant death, and even a difference of more than 400 times you must understand yourself.
If you want to assume that Hit was holding back, then this situation gets even sillier, since he then had to use less than 0.25% of his entire strength against Basic Goku.

Nick_Rick_20 said:

The whole point of Migatte no Gokui is that its user increases the reaction of the basic form and the accuracy of movements WITHOUT ADDING STRENGTH!
These are not two different techniques.

Nick_Rick_20 said:

However, DBZ did not interfere with this.
The balance of power was in order. Unlike DBS...

Nick_Rick_20 said:
I officially declare that DBS has one of the worst power systems in anime, if not the worst.

If earlier (in the DBZ) special abilities and various characteristics more or less combined well with a huge destructive potential, now the combination has become very bad.

In Dragon Ball Super, not strength, but skill began to play a big role. It would seem that this is a great thing. But the implementation here is the worst.

First of all, the Dragon Ball fighters are already martial artists, and they already know almost everything. In general, there is nothing to teach them already. However, in the Dragon Ball Super, they spat on this and exposed the heroes as fools who did not know about martial arts.

Secondly, teamwork began to play a big role.
This has never happened in DBZ. For example, even with teamwork and joint attacks, according to normal logic, even if working together, two Super Saiyan 1 Gohan would not even be able to properly injure Super Saiyan 2 Gohan. The latter does not need any serious tactics, thoughtfulness of their actions and coherence. He's just in a "different weight class". It's like two 50-pound fighters attacking a 100-pound one. No amount of teamwork will help them.

In Dragon Ball Super, especially in the Toyotaro manga, teamwork became stronger than the huge difference in strength, and, spitting on logic, began to defeat it. In other words, teamwork has become a piano. Template power of friendship.
In Dragon Ball Super teamwork allows you to overcome more than 100 times the difference in strength!



Thirdly, regarding martial arts again, accuracy and skill also became "strength out of thin air", similar to team attacks, making it easy to overcome high superiority in strength.

So, for example, by simply predicting where Hit would hit, Son Goku in the Champa tournament was able to fight him in basic form. Better than Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta. Is it okay that being a Blue, Vegeta is over 400 times stronger than Son Goku? He has a reaction more than 400 times higher, speed, endurance, strength. Even if Goku saw Hit's punches, one such punch should have knocked him out since Goku was in base form.

Even in the first Naruto series, the situation is better! It's all so bad! Has anyone watched Naruto? There, Sasuke fought Rock Lee, and despite seeing all of his attacks with his Sharingan eyes, his body just didn't have time to do anything against them.
So, in the battle with Hit, there should have been about the same situation.

Or another vivid example: Migatte no Gokui.
This technique simply allows you to increase the response of the basic form and the accuracy of movements without adding any strength. But this allows her to suddenly become stronger than Super Saiyan Blue with 20x Kaioken and Genki Dama. This is just a real hail of spitting in the direction of logic.

In the manga, even worse, even Muten Roshi was able to use the makings of this technique to dodge Jiren's attacks.
And Roshi has no growth of strength. Even one of the Justice Warriors scanned Roshi and didn't notice any progress in strength. Power doesn't really increase.
This is just a message of all the progress passed earlier to hell!
We are directly told that Son Goku and his friends have not learned any lessons from the past and are not martial artists, but this is a blatant lie.

In the same manga, the Justice Team warriors were able to avoid the attacks of the Legendary Super Saiyan Kell by simply calculating what she would do, again not caring about the overwhelming difference in power.

In conclusion, let's say that in Dragon Ball Super, strength characteristics play a much less important role than teamwork and skill. In some magical way, teamwork and skill are much more effective, working like "strength from thin air". They seem to drastically increase all stats by a greater number of times than natural, natural, direct stat boosts.