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May 31, 2020 3:23 PM
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First of all this movie is overrated, that's a fact.
Secondly, let us admit that Makoto Shinkai creates stunningly beautiful artwork but can't keep up as a director in comparison with people like Miyazaki or Spielberg.
Yet so many in the fandom claim Makoto Shinkai is the second coming of God..

When I went into this movie I expected, based on the hype and people recommending and rating it high, I expected something like the HBO show "The Leftovers" in the sense that it would hit us emotionally, that it would make us relate to the characters.
Even a very open minded person like me, who went with no prejudice into the movie, was disappointed by this disjointed mess of a movie.

This movie failed in literally everything from pacing to writing.
The only thing Makoto Shinkai did right was make it look beautiful.
And what do people want in the end? Meaning? Emotions and connections?
No.
All they want is a firework for the eyes.
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May 31, 2020 4:28 PM
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Well, let the self proclaimed perfect taste guy a.k.a me guide you through.

Firstly, Shinkai Makoto isn't just eye candy. If you've seen Hoshi no Koe you'll know how horrible the visuals were. Yet, I enjoyed the film despite the revolting visuals. Why? Well, let me, ZAZILLA slowly reveal the answer to you. I know you've been desperate to know about this. Mhmhmmhmh. May the crimson lights shine upon you as I cast this spell, as I scream, "BLEACH" you scream "I want it!" Alright, BLEACH! Did you do it? Yay! Alright, now I shall reveal the answer just for you... Shinkai Makoto was always about how you were able to relate to the story in a sense go, "Oh, I can feel you too." Or if you have amazing sense of feels like me you can relate to it in an instant. What I'm trying to say is that if you look at Shinkai Makoto's films in an somewhat objective stance you wouldn't enjoy it. All you have to do is sit back, relax and watch the film. If you still can't enjoy it then too bad it's not suitable for your tastes. Don't worry brosef I feel you sometimes I just can't like what other people likes.
Jun 1, 2020 10:47 PM
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Yugesai said:
First of all this movie is overrated, that's a fact.


I think anyone reasonable should stop here. Having to explain why this kind of sentence is stupid everywhere I go is tiring...
Jun 2, 2020 11:00 PM
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Anyone who thinks Kimi no Na wa is a 10/10, explain what's so perfect about the plot?
Does it not bother you that they don't realize that every time they switch bodies they are 3 years into the future or the past?
Jun 3, 2020 3:32 AM
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Dasyud said:
Anyone who thinks Kimi no Na wa is a 10/10, explain what's so perfect about the plot?
Does it not bother you that they don't realize that every time they switch bodies they are 3 years into the future or the past?


So i just finished watching this and honestly your high if you rated this a 10. The first half of the movie is the most confusing thing i've ever seen, its like what steins gate did with kurisu in the first episode but like 4x more confusing. The first half felt like a compilation of clips they put in the wrong order.

Now the 2nd half i guess it gets kinda good but still nothing is explained and the ending sucks (imo). You could say with all the random body switching its just there to make this seem more emotional but i dosent make any sense, at first they switched 2-3 times week but then its just gets out of hand. The fact that they lose their memories of it is also retarded. But leaving all that aside it still served failed at being making me feel bad for the characters. It isnt as moving as A Silent Voice because the "romance" stuff seems forced.

This would have been better as an 11-12 episode anime if you ask me. The pacing is all jacked up.

If you've ever watched the another movie called "Fireworks" this is basically that but with less retarded choices.

This wasnt meant to be a review but...
Art:10/10
Story: 7/10-----------------------------------------oh yeah, and they never realized they went to the future or past cause the girl never realized
Enjoyment: 7.5/10--------------------------------she actually died and the guy i guess just forgot about the entire thing, he also didnt know the name of the town.
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Jun 3, 2020 3:42 AM
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Yugesai said:
First of all this movie is overrated, that's a fact.
Secondly, let us admit that Makoto Shinkai creates stunningly beautiful artwork but can't keep up as a director in comparison with people like Miyazaki or Spielberg.
Yet so many in the fandom claim Makoto Shinkai is the second coming of God..

When I went into this movie I expected, based on the hype and people recommending and rating it high, I expected something like the HBO show "The Leftovers" in the sense that it would hit us emotionally, that it would make us relate to the characters.
Even a very open minded person like me, who went with no prejudice into the movie, was disappointed by this disjointed mess of a movie.

This movie failed in literally everything from pacing to writing.
The only thing Makoto Shinkai did right was make it look beautiful.
And what do people want in the end? Meaning? Emotions and connections?
No.
All they want is a firework for the eyes.


yeah i watched it and expected it to be at least a 9/10 but the first half is the most confusing thing ever and the 2nd one was just there to make it seem like the characters were developing. Yeah it looks good, thats about all to remember other than "that one comet movie"

Jun 3, 2020 10:30 PM
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'Overrated', nice word you used there, just because I didn't liked something which others consider great, that thing has to be overrated. GROW UP Buddy
Jun 4, 2020 12:00 AM
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i agree but my lowly rated review of it was taken down recently cuz i didn't supply enough evidence or something. sucks cuz i watched it in a cinema with my friends a few years ago and i can't remember that lame plot.... i never should've given into peer pressure.....
Jun 5, 2020 7:37 PM
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Koldmotro said:
Yugesai said:
First of all this movie is overrated, that's a fact.


I think anyone reasonable should stop here. Having to explain why this kind of sentence is stupid everywhere I go is tiring...

Lmao legit my first reaction as well.

OP idk how you state your mere opinion as a fact and expect us to take you seriously. Come back to me once you understand how opinions and rational criticism works.

Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button.
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Jun 5, 2020 8:21 PM

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Well, I wouldn't call it a disappointment but it certainly is overrated. Makoto Shinkai's work is popular even outside the anime community which is why when people who don't normally watch anime see this film, they claim it to be a masterpiece. True, the plot kinda flopped and the only thing going for the movie was the visuals and sounds. But, everyone has different opinions and based on how successful it is, the majority say it is good. It's mostly beginning anime fans who claim this to be a masterpiece.
Jun 6, 2020 5:26 AM

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I love how these two-bit reviewers are telling people what is overrated or not.
Listen here , the thing you feel about an art form is your own opinion and feelings (duh).
Every one has their own experience , their own thoughts about the shows they watch.
Is Kimi No Na Wa the greatest anime movie in terms of plot? No. I honestly don't think so. There are many other movies in which the plot is much better.
The plot is like , I dunno , 6-7/10?
But for me , it was the best "experience" I had watching a movie , animated or not. The direction and overall execution made this movie for me.
If you think this movie is overrated , I honestly understand that. If you only look for plot in an anime , this movie will certainly feel overrated. But for real , if you only look for plot in a show , just read books.
Jun 7, 2020 11:39 PM
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Notifications said:
Dasyud said:
Anyone who thinks Kimi no Na wa is a 10/10, explain what's so perfect about the plot?
Does it not bother you that they don't realize that every time they switch bodies they are 3 years into the future or the past?


So i just finished watching this and honestly your high if you rated this a 10. The first half of the movie is the most confusing thing i've ever seen, its like what steins gate did with kurisu in the first episode but like 4x more confusing. The first half felt like a compilation of clips they put in the wrong order.

Now the 2nd half i guess it gets kinda good but still nothing is explained and the ending sucks (imo). You could say with all the random body switching its just there to make this seem more emotional but i dosent make any sense, at first they switched 2-3 times week but then its just gets out of hand. The fact that they lose their memories of it is also retarded. But leaving all that aside it still served failed at being making me feel bad for the characters. It isnt as moving as A Silent Voice because the "romance" stuff seems forced.

This would have been better as an 11-12 episode anime if you ask me. The pacing is all jacked up.

If you've ever watched the another movie called "Fireworks" this is basically that but with less retarded choices.

This wasnt meant to be a review but...
Art:10/10
Story: 7/10-----------------------------------------oh yeah, and they never realized they went to the future or past cause the girl never realized
Enjoyment: 7.5/10--------------------------------she actually died and the guy i guess just forgot about the entire thing, he also didnt know the name of the town.


Exactly. I was refraining from posting this because I didn't want my profile to be filled with comments about how my opinion is shit.
Jun 8, 2020 10:25 AM

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Dasyud said:
Notifications said:


So i just finished watching this and honestly your high if you rated this a 10. The first half of the movie is the most confusing thing i've ever seen, its like what steins gate did with kurisu in the first episode but like 4x more confusing. The first half felt like a compilation of clips they put in the wrong order.

Now the 2nd half i guess it gets kinda good but still nothing is explained and the ending sucks (imo). You could say with all the random body switching its just there to make this seem more emotional but i dosent make any sense, at first they switched 2-3 times week but then its just gets out of hand. The fact that they lose their memories of it is also retarded. But leaving all that aside it still served failed at being making me feel bad for the characters. It isnt as moving as A Silent Voice because the "romance" stuff seems forced.

This would have been better as an 11-12 episode anime if you ask me. The pacing is all jacked up.

If you've ever watched the another movie called "Fireworks" this is basically that but with less retarded choices.

This wasnt meant to be a review but...
Art:10/10
Story: 7/10-----------------------------------------oh yeah, and they never realized they went to the future or past cause the girl never realized
Enjoyment: 7.5/10--------------------------------she actually died and the guy i guess just forgot about the entire thing, he also didnt know the name of the town.


Exactly. I was refraining from posting this because I didn't want my profile to be filled with comments about how my opinion is shit.

Not trying to defend anyone who invades profiles with negative comments, but in this case the problem has less to do with the opinion itself, and more to do with the attitude. You can absolutely despise Kimi no na wa. That’s fine. I’m sure you have understandable reasons for doing so. But saying “You’re high if you rated this a 10” is asking for trouble because it represents the common childish perception towards the basic idea of “opinions” that is highly prominent on MAL. I believe the person in question just made a light-hearted comment, and in reality, they might respect your opinion if you tell them that you like this movie. But using words like those is definitely not recommendable.
Jun 9, 2020 10:39 PM
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"First of all this movie is overrated, that's a fact". 😑 And you say people are high to give this a 10 when you start your reasoning with a utter childish opinion
Jun 10, 2020 12:55 AM
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Well, you should try keeping open mind and watch without any expectation firsthand. It took me several times of watching the movie to grasp the plot. I don't think it is overrated but also I don't think it is the best anime out there.
Jun 10, 2020 1:08 AM
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I wouldnt say kimi no na wa was a "disappointment" but i do think it is overhyped... Although the story does have a few plot holes here and there like, another user posted above that the movie tries to connect to the watcher. imo, i feel like the movie was trying to do just that, resulting in pretty much no character development throughout the story. I wouldnt give it a score under 7 for the fact that the visuals and sound were absolute spot on and the story itself wasnt too bad.
Jun 14, 2020 7:15 PM
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The plot IS a mess, how can this director allow to do same movie so many times ? And fans Scream in Joy for watching same movie all over again, we can make a bingo :

Rainbow
Sky
Food
Trains
people Who got separated and reunied
Teen love
Feeling alone
Sky and more Sky
Some pet for kawainess
Drinking tea or eating shots
A lot of city scenery

Rinse and repeat

He doesnt need a plot, cuz is overlooked by fans for his orgasmic scenery porn

What can i say? He is the prime example that anime is becoming visuals over suntance now :/

I can tell that is he decide to adapt good books or even nice writen light nivel that would be art, that is something i could look foward too, cuz at this point what this director is only working on improving is the visual departament
Jun 16, 2020 10:00 AM

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freizel said:
The plot IS a mess, how can this director allow to do same movie so many times ? And fans Scream in Joy for watching same movie all over again, we can make a bingo :

Rainbow
Sky
Food
Trains
people Who got separated and reunied
Teen love
Feeling alone
Sky and more Sky
Some pet for kawainess
Drinking tea or eating shots
A lot of city scenery

Rinse and repeat

He doesnt need a plot, cuz is overlooked by fans for his orgasmic scenery porn

What can i say? He is the prime example that anime is becoming visuals over suntance now :/

I can tell that is he decide to adapt good books or even nice writen light nivel that would be art, that is something i could look foward too, cuz at this point what this director is only working on improving is the visual departament


Yes he is improving the visuals, but the visuals are a important part, i mean cinematography is very important for the story telling, and in my opinion a good cinematography is the one that make you fell the feelings without needing to analysis deep in the movie, and this movie at least for me didnt made me felt anything...
GadottinhoJun 16, 2020 10:19 AM
Jun 16, 2020 10:54 AM

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Well first of all who decides if something is overrated or not if something is popular or whatever it's legitimate. This doesn't change the flaws of an anime. I didn't really like and enjoyed it tho I wouldn't say it's trash. But when I finished listening to ii I couldn't understand the hype. I was a bit mad and was thinking did I just waste 2h of my life. For me it was hit or pass. There was a lot of things that could have been more developed tho.
Jun 16, 2020 12:45 PM

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freizel said:
The plot IS a mess, how can this director allow to do same movie so many times ? And fans Scream in Joy for watching same movie all over again, we can make a bingo :

Rainbow
Sky
Food
Trains
people Who got separated and reunied
Teen love
Feeling alone
Sky and more Sky
Some pet for kawainess
Drinking tea or eating shots
A lot of city scenery

Rinse and repeat

He doesnt need a plot, cuz is overlooked by fans for his orgasmic scenery porn

What can i say? He is the prime example that anime is becoming visuals over suntance now :/

I can tell that is he decide to adapt good books or even nice writen light nivel that would be art, that is something i could look foward too, cuz at this point what this director is only working on improving is the visual departament

Your criticism makes some sense if directed at his recent movie Tenki no ko. I don't understand how Kimi no na wa falls under the same roof. People really out here saying Kimi no na wa is the same movie as the ones that came before it just because Shinkai included some similar shots such as city buildings, sky, trains, etc. How desperate of a hater do you have to be lmao.

The only two things on the list that would be a genuine problem if repetitive are Separation + Reunion, and feeling alone. The former is kinda debatable because 5cm/s has no proper reunion, while Garden of Words does include this albeit on a much milder level (I only mention these two cuz they are the only two relevant Shinkai movies that came before Kimi no na wa). As for the latter, no one feels alone in Kimi no na wa lol. The guy just tries to save a girl he loves and the girl tries to save everyone in her town.

Not the first time I'm seeing people getting a vaguely similar vibe based on the setting, weather, visuals, etc., but going on to criticise the entire movie for "being the same." Probably not the last time either.
Jun 18, 2020 6:36 PM
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[message=60014535]. The guy just tries to save a girl he loves and the girl tries to save everyone in her town.

Not the first time I'm seeing people getting a vaguely similar vibe based on the setting, weather, visuals, etc., but going on to criticise the entire movie for "being the same." Probably not the last time either.


Ok then, tell me.again why he loves her ?

I want you to explain me the dinamic in their realtionship, cuz they were exchaining bodies, they never interact with each other besides notes ... They didnt hear each other voices, neither have a facw to face conversation . They "love" seems so unrealistic and force.

Imaging the scenario hoy change a body with someone, then you live THEIR live with YOUR personality, makes more sense you fall in love with the people you interact with that with yourself watching other body in the mirror and exchaining diaries.

You as a viewer hace this text they LEFT TO each other as conversation since the VA read them out loud, but can barely get someone Mood out of text ... This text yo text love seem so little to make someone fall in love ...

Now as an stranger trying to save a town i get It, you make Friends with the teens there, and you were there since you litteraly CHANGE bodys to Play there ... But as a love Story ? Nah my fam, so little interaction, was cheap and force.

Now did i enjoy the visual fest ? Yes of course, movie is gorgeous in the aesthetics departament. And thats not even the worst part in the plot of this movie, but he was able to go back in time again ? Fans dont even agree on the explanation on that BUT THEY DONT CARE Cuz movie is beautiful
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freizel said:
apollojeez said:
[message=60014535]. The guy just tries to save a girl he loves and the girl tries to save everyone in her town.

Not the first time I'm seeing people getting a vaguely similar vibe based on the setting, weather, visuals, etc., but going on to criticise the entire movie for "being the same." Probably not the last time either.


Ok then, tell me.again why he loves her ?

I want you to explain me the dinamic in their realtionship, cuz they were exchaining bodies, they never interact with each other besides notes ... They didnt hear each other voices, neither have a facw to face conversation . They "love" seems so unrealistic and force.

Imaging the scenario hoy change a body with someone, then you live THEIR live with YOUR personality, makes more sense you fall in love with the people you interact with that with yourself watching other body in the mirror and exchaining diaries.

You as a viewer hace this text they LEFT TO each other as conversation since the VA read them out loud, but can barely get someone Mood out of text ... This text yo text love seem so little to make someone fall in love ...

Now as an stranger trying to save a town i get It, you make Friends with the teens there, and you were there since you litteraly CHANGE bodys to Play there ... But as a love Story ? Nah my fam, so little interaction, was cheap and force.

Now did i enjoy the visual fest ? Yes of course, movie is gorgeous in the aesthetics departament. And thats not even the worst part in the plot of this movie, but he was able to go back in time again ? Fans dont even agree on the explanation on that BUT THEY DONT CARE Cuz movie is beautiful

What a non-sensical response lmao. I'm not here to tell you that Your Name is a flawless movie that must be liked by everyone. I just had a go at you for criticising Your Name for being the same movie as Shinkai's other works. Feel free to criticise the movie for its characters, plot progression, romance, etc., because I know that you can justify those criticisms, even though I'd personally disagree with quite a few of them. But earlier you literally said "how can this director allow to do same movie so many times ?", which makes no sense to me. I wanted you to explain yourself but you just completely went off the rails lol.
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Hi, so I just finished watching this not even in 5 minutes ago, I guess I'll throw in my two cents.

The first half was a little hard to follow, but overall, I understood what was happening. It reminded me a bit of inception with the 'dreams'. I also kind of felt like the first half was a bit rushed. I wanted more from it. The second half was good, I was happy with the outcome though I would've been more satisfied had we got to see their reaction to saying their names, and then roll the credits. Overall I enjoyed it.
Jun 21, 2020 2:05 AM
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freizel said:


Ok then, tell me.again why he loves her ?

I want you to explain me the dinamic in their realtionship, cuz they were exchaining bodies, they never interact with each other besides notes ... They didnt hear each other voices, neither have a facw to face conversation . They "love" seems so unrealistic and force.

Imaging the scenario hoy change a body with someone, then you live THEIR live with YOUR personality, makes more sense you fall in love with the people you interact with that with yourself watching other body in the mirror and exchaining diaries.

You as a viewer hace this text they LEFT TO each other as conversation since the VA read them out loud, but can barely get someone Mood out of text ... This text yo text love seem so little to make someone fall in love ...

Now as an stranger trying to save a town i get It, you make Friends with the teens there, and you were there since you litteraly CHANGE bodys to Play there ... But as a love Story ? Nah my fam, so little interaction, was cheap and force.

Now did i enjoy the visual fest ? Yes of course, movie is gorgeous in the aesthetics departament. And thats not even the worst part in the plot of this movie, but he was able to go back in time again ? Fans dont even agree on the explanation on that BUT THEY DONT CARE Cuz movie is beautiful

What a non-sensical response lmao. I'm not here to tell you that Your Name is a flawless movie that must be liked by everyone. I just had a go at you for criticising Your Name for being the same movie as Shinkai's other works. Feel free to criticise the movie for its characters, plot progression, romance, etc., because I know that you can justify those criticisms, even though I'd personally disagree with quite a few of them. But earlier you literally said "how can this director allow to do same movie so many times ?", which makes no sense to me. I wanted you to explain yourself but you just completely went off the rails lol.


So when i asked questions about the nonsensical plot then you not longer thing is necessary to change my mind ... Yeah i get you anyway, is not your job to explain the huge amount of plot holes this movie has, this is one of those movies where you have to turn off your brain to enjoy

Yeah still havent change my mind of what i said SINCE i didnt say It as in a critique OR insult, i kind of enjoy that, his scenery, i was just in shock they allow them to do the same all the time, for directors is NORMAL they enjoy a type of thing, but in this case he Focus to much on It It became his things, Tokyo scenery and Sky. Not compalining tho, is what i actually enjoy of his movies, he does a great job in that departament, artistic departament.

Is funny how his called fans actually attack him for that in his lastest movie, almost confirm me that they only Saw kimi no nawa and not his previos job before that, cuz they claim the movie was a copy of kimi hahaha , he just did the same he does, and i knew he was going to, in FACT i enjoyed​ that movie more cuz didnt have THE HUGE plot holes this one had, see? Not a hater ... Just objective talking about some desision director make ... Anyway people also hate his lastest movie endding ... Idk ... I'm not a hater, just want to make clear of that, im not attacking the movie, i just have issues with the plot, thats It
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apollojeez said:

What a non-sensical response lmao. I'm not here to tell you that Your Name is a flawless movie that must be liked by everyone. I just had a go at you for criticising Your Name for being the same movie as Shinkai's other works. Feel free to criticise the movie for its characters, plot progression, romance, etc., because I know that you can justify those criticisms, even though I'd personally disagree with quite a few of them. But earlier you literally said "how can this director allow to do same movie so many times ?", which makes no sense to me. I wanted you to explain yourself but you just completely went off the rails lol.


So when i asked questions about the nonsensical plot then you not longer thing is necessary to change my mind ... Yeah i get you anyway, is not your job to explain the huge amount of plot holes this movie has, this is one of those movies where you have to turn off your brain to enjoy

Yeah still havent change my mind of what i said SINCE i didnt say It as in a critique OR insult, i kind of enjoy that, his scenery, i was just in shock they allow them to do the same all the time, for directors is NORMAL they enjoy a type of thing, but in this case he Focus to much on It It became his things, Tokyo scenery and Sky. Not compalining tho, is what i actually enjoy of his movies, he does a great job in that departament, artistic departament.

Is funny how his called fans actually attack him for that in his lastest movie, almost confirm me that they only Saw kimi no nawa and not his previos job before that, cuz they claim the movie was a copy of kimi hahaha , he just did the same he does, and i knew he was going to, in FACT i enjoyed​ that movie more cuz didnt have THE HUGE plot holes this one had, see? Not a hater ... Just objective talking about some desision director make ... Anyway people also hate his lastest movie endding ... Idk ... I'm not a hater, just want to make clear of that, im not attacking the movie, i just have issues with the plot, thats It

Yep as I said before, criticisms directed at the plot and characters are understandable, so I see no reason to try to change your mind even though I personally don't see them as too much of a problem. I guess I don't really have much to add to that. If no criticism was intended when it came to the similarity of his movies then sure that's fine.
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First, your subjective opinion of this movie is irrelevant to it's actual quality, and that's a fact.

And honestly, I still want to understand what's all the fuzz about Miyazaki or Spielberg. I've recently watched what it is supposed to be Miyazaki Magnum Opus, Sen to Chihiro, and if anything that movie fits much more your description than Your Name itself. It pretty much has no character drama/story whatsoever and it is backed up by pretty/creative visuals. I still have to give Princess Mononoke a shot, but my hype have lowered considerably after my recent disappointment.

Spielberg is pretty much extremely overrated as well. Everything he has worked recently has been mediocre at best. I can't consider someone a good director when he made dumb written stuff like Ready Player One.
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