StudyingEnglish said: I also don't like it when girls come to confess with their friends. It happens quite a lot in Japan. You mean just being there for their friend as emotional support? Because someone who had a crush on me back then also confessed in a similar manner. And my god, it felt really awkward for both us when this is something two people would want to talk about in private. Somewhat understandable, but at the same time, it's not exactly needed and they risk a bit of embarrassment knowing there are witnesses if they were rejected. |
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| I just watched a character unironically use "barusudei" for "birthday" and "tyainiisu" for "Chinese"? Are these actually used in Japan or is this just done to make a country look more European since the setting was in Europe? I see some really strange English loans from time to time like "kurasumeito"... surely the Japanese had their own word for that before English? I can understand "kurisumasu" since it was actually a concept introduced by the Anglo-Saxon but "kurasumeito" and "barusudei"? |
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Sphinxter said: Don't know about "kurasumeito", but "barusudei" is "tanjōbi". Maybe "barusudei" has a specific use like when you sing "happy birthday", but I don't know which is more common in Japan: "tanjōbi omedetō" or "hapi barusudei"I see some really strange English loans from time to time like "kurasumeito"... surely the Japanese had their own word for that before English? I can understand "kurisumasu" since it was actually a concept introduced by the Anglo-Saxon but "kurasumeito" and "barusudei"? Miruku for example seems to describe milk for babies: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1785133&show=50#msg57764514 Then, there's also "jūsu". And I'm sure that part-time jobs existed before (aru)baito became a thing and that there is another way of saying "kēki" or "torute" and many more btw.: did I really read it correctly that "ボンベ (bombe) is "a steel canister for storing pressurized gas, such as a propane tank"? |
Noboru said: Yes, a friend of mine already informed me that tanzyoubi also existed. I also encountered "kuro na naito" for "black knight" in chess just yet from the same series which is particular because Syougi pieces are typically translated to chess analogs. I also think I heard "heiku" for "fake".Sphinxter said: Don't know about "kurasumeito", but "barusudei" is "tanjōbi". Maybe "barusudei" has a specific use like when you sing "happy birthday", but I don't know which is more common in Japan: "tanjōbi omedetō" or "hapi barusudei"I see some really strange English loans from time to time like "kurasumeito"... surely the Japanese had their own word for that before English? I can understand "kurisumasu" since it was actually a concept introduced by the Anglo-Saxon but "kurasumeito" and "barusudei"? Miruku for example seems to describe milk for babies: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1785133&show=50#msg57764514 Then, there's also "jūsu". And I'm sure that part-time jobs existed before (aru)baito became a thing and that there is another way of saying "kēki" or "torute" and many more btw.: did I really read it correctly that "ボンベ (bombe) is "a steel canister for storing pressurized gas, such as a propane tank"? |
It is obvious that "obscenity" is not a term capable of exact legal definition; in the practice of the courts, it means "anything that shocks the magistrate". — Bertrand Russell |
Sphinxter said: "heiku" or "feiku"? Yes, a friend of mine already informed me that tanzyoubi also existed. I also encountered "kuro na naito" for "black knight" in chess just yet from the same series which is particular because Syougi pieces are typically translated to chess analogs. I also think I heard "heiku" for "fake". And I've heard "tsekku-meito" more than the names of the actual pieces in Japanese. Though, there are also specialized terms such as "ツークツワンク" [ˈtsuːktsvaŋ] ( from German "Zugzwang" = when you're pressured to finish your turn; too lazy for the proper Romanization) and [insert_other_example], but with the latter, I can understand if there aren't any native terms I'm more concerned if such common words like "(aru)beito", "jūsu" and "kurasumeito" didn't have any native counterpart, respectively. |
Noboru said: The introduction of "f" (or "v") into Japanese is a rather recent thing for loanwords with a katakana hack using the "hu" kana with a small "e" to supposedly create "fe"; the "proper" pronunciation being an "f" apparently but since Japanese historically hadn't this sound a lot of Japanese speakers are as bad at this as pronouncing l's and r's. This speaker said "heiku" but looking it up the "proper" word is apparently "feiku"Sphinxter said: "heiku" or "feiku"?Yes, a friend of mine already informed me that tanzyoubi also existed. I also encountered "kuro na naito" for "black knight" in chess just yet from the same series which is particular because Syougi pieces are typically translated to chess analogs. I also think I heard "heiku" for "fake". |
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| romamization is an imperfect representation of the Japanese phonemes, which is why there are different romanization "standards" (if you can call it that). discussing whether a word should be romanized using f or h, z or j is of questionable usefulness. different people will use different letterrs to represent the exact same sound. |
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DreamingBeats said: We're not really talking about how it should be romanized but how it was actually pronounced though.romamization is an imperfect representation of the Japanese phonemes, which is why there are different romanization "standards" (if you can call it that). discussing whether a word should be romanized using f or h, z or j is of questionable usefulness. different people will use different letterrs to represent the exact same sound. "feiku" is a romanization "フェイク"; "heiku" of "ヘイク" In theory these are pronounced differently but the former is only a recent introduction into Japanese specifically to write loanwords that don't fit into Japanese phonology; thence many Japanese speakers just pronounce it identically to the latter since they're not comfortable with pronouncing it. This isn't much different from that some English speakers will correctly attempt to pronounce the "ch" sound in the German loan "baumkuchen" whereas others will just say "baumkuhen" or "baumkucken" to deal with the fact that English does not have this sound and it's uncomfortable to pronounce for them. Apart from that nihonsiki is perfection and has no flaws — nihonsiki master race. It's not about phonemes; it's about the most elegant system to write Japanese in the Latin alphabet. |
SphinxterJun 16, 2019 3:48 PM
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| elegant representation of japanese in latin alphabet... ill be blunt here and say they all suck in my book. there are at least two different standard ways to represent Japanese words using the latin characters - Hepburn and Nihonshiki (ill be honest, thats the first time i heard of that one, though i think i did come across its use somewhere before). there are probably more im not aware of. not one system is "superior" to the other. they all represent the same sounds using the latin characters. and they are both of questionable usefulness when communicating with actual native speakers. (yes, i really dislike romanization as you can tell. that may be one of the reasons i urge people to learn the actual alphabet when they first start to learn the language. it also helps you "think" in Japanese....if that makes sense) by the way, my dislike toward romanization also applies to other languages such as German and Russian. the first step should always be to learn the language's writing system first (i suppose this is harder for some languages such as Chinese, but that one is considered among the hardest to learn) |
DreamingBeatsJun 16, 2019 4:17 PM
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DreamingBeats said: Not really — nihonsiki was designed to replace the kana system originally. It's the oldest romanization system and it was intended to write Japanese from the start; it is simply put superior to Hepburn and to the Kana system to write Japanese. There was actually in the 1920s in Japan a significant movement to replace the script with the Latin alphabet which was commonly done in many places around that time because the Latin alphabet was superior for printing and data storage at the time. Now since the rise of modern unicode this problem has been mitigated to a degree but hear me when I say the inertia is the only reason this plan followed not.elegant representation of japanese in latin alphabet... ill be blunt here and say they all suck in my book. there are at least two different standard ways to represent Japanese words using the latin characters - Hepburn and Nihonshiki (ill be honest, thats the first time i heard of that one, though i think i did come across its use somewhere before). there are probably more im not aware of. not one system is "superior" to the other. they all represent the same sounds using the latin characters. and they are both of questionable usefulness when communicating with actual native speakers. (yes, i really dislike romanization as you can tell. that may be one of the reasons i urge people to learn the actual alphabet when they first start to learn the language. it also helps you "think" in Japanese....if that makes sense) Nihonsiki is simply put a more effective way to write Japanese than the Kana will ever be. There is some merit in kanzi in the sense that it keeps homonyms apart but nihonsiki is simply the most efficient orthography for Japanese for no other reason than that it didn't evolve gradually over time like many orthographies but was specifically designed by a Japanese physicist to be as efficient as possible as he felt at the time that Japan could not compete with the more-efficient Latin-based countries without abandoning the historical scripts which were far more costly to put to print and store digitally than the Latin alphabet was. |
It is obvious that "obscenity" is not a term capable of exact legal definition; in the practice of the courts, it means "anything that shocks the magistrate". — Bertrand Russell |
Sphinxter said: And the same works the other way around when non-native English speakers would use th-fronting and th-stopping, because their language doesn't have the respective sound. From what I know, speakers of Scots and Northern English dialects may be able to properly pronounce the [x] (ach-sound) natively (for example in "loch"), but it starts to develop into [k], same as how the th-sound vanished in Old High German and became a [d] ( = th-stopping) This isn't much different from that some English speakers will correctly attempt to pronounce the "ch" sound in the German loan "baumkuchen" whereas others will just say "baumkuhen" or "baumkucken" to deal with the fact that English does not have this sound and it's uncomfortable to pronounce for them. Coming back to "feiku" vs. "heiku": "heiku" would be very likely more closely to how it would be really pronounced, but writing it as "feiku" would be how it should be intended to be pronounced. And coming from a language that has the "f"-sound natively as well, it's much easier to imagine what is meant when I read "feiku" than with "heiku". Besides, a Japanese person would likely use Katakana, anyway, so the Romaji would be more for foreigners learning Japanese. But what's the point in learning Japanglish instead of learning native, Japanese counterparts? |
| nihonshiki is more effective than writing kana...that is one thing i have to disagree. besides, i see little point to use nihonshiki when kana is easy enough to learn. Japanese children as young as 3 learn the kana charaters and can even write kana at 4 years old. https://www.himawari-child.com/knowledge/4523.html there are 48 ish hiragana and 48 ish katakana characters...which may seem like a "lot", but a dedicated enough person can learn them in a week. the good thing is, there are a ton of free and reliable resources available to learn them. and no, romanization was never meant to replace kana. |
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Noboru said: True but I just wrote down what I heard. I heard a speaker say "heiku" and I didn't look up in a dictionary what the proper form was.Coming back to "feiku" vs. "heiku": "heiku" would be very likely more closely to how it would be really pronounced, but writing it as "feiku" would be how it should be intended to be pronounced. And coming from a language that has the "f"-sound natively as well, it's much easier to imagine what is meant when I read "feiku" than with "heiku". Besides, a Japanese person would likely use Katakana, anyway, so the Romaji would be more for foreigners learning Japanese. But what's the point in learning Japanglish instead of learning native, Japanese counterparts? DreamingBeats said: It's not about learning that makes it difficult even though it's still more characters to learn than the Latin alphabet; it's about data storage and handling. Nihonsiki was developed at the time that typewriters were first developed — I'm sure you can imagine the relative ease of a typewriter for the Latin alphabet opposed to the kana; there were also matters like morse code and printing press to be considered. The Latin alphabet at the time was simply considerably more appealing and cost-effective which is why around that time many languages switched to the Latin alphabet.nihonshiki is more effective than writing kana...that is one thing i have to disagree. besides, i see little point to use nihonshiki when kana is easy enough to learn. Japanese children as young as 3 learn the kana charaters and can even write kana at 4 years old. https://www.himawari-child.com/knowledge/4523.html there are 48 ish hiragana and 48 ish katakana characters...which may seem like a "lot", but a dedicated enough person can learn them in a week. the good thing is, there are a ton of free and reliable resources available to learn them. Now as I said modern advancements in technology have made this problem less severe but inputting kana and especially kanzi on a computer is still considerably more involved than using nihonsiki and most input systems in fact just accept nihonsiki and try to guess what kanzi the user most likely meant and work with a selection screen. It's far from as efficient as it could be. and no, romanization was never meant to replace kana. Most certainly it was — nihonsiki was originally meant to not just transcribe Japanese but to replace the Kana and this was given serious consideration at the time:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Japanese#As_a_replacement_for_the_Japanese_writing_system In the Meiji era (1868–1912), some Japanese scholars advocated abolishing the Japanese writing system entirely and using rōmaji instead. The Nihon-shiki romanization was an outgrowth of that movement. This was a time where for a brief period Japanese academic literature was published in the Latin script to demonstrate how much less costly it was to print it that way which was seen as a scientific advancement. Indeed this movement died out after advancements in printing and information technology made kana less cost-inefficient to handle but nihonsiki was absolutely intended from the start to outright replace the kana. |
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traed said: Optigisa said: Do Japanese people have weird fetishes, or is it just a stereotype? But every country has at least some people with weird fetishes. Yeah, but they say that Japanese people have the weirdest ones. |
| Do Japanese people actually have weird game shows? |
| Is it really generally believed, as so many anime insist, that you can get colds from being cold, and they can be cured with medicine? |
logopolis said: I don't think that outdated myth is exclusive to Japan at all.Is it really generally believed, as so many anime insist, that you can get colds from being cold, and they can be cured with medicine? Korea seems to have a peculiar one where most Koreans seem to believe that one can die from leaving a fan on overnight. |
It is obvious that "obscenity" is not a term capable of exact legal definition; in the practice of the courts, it means "anything that shocks the magistrate". — Bertrand Russell |
| Oh, I didn't believe it to be exclusive to Japan, I was just wondering if it was present. |
StudyingEnglish said: Juice is from my understanding only about fruit liquids, while Cola and other sweetened drinks are "soft drinks" or "soda". So would "kanmiryou" be used only for fruit juices or for all kinds of sweet drinks? I think juice and jusu are differently used between English and Japanese. Juice is liquid from fruits? I believe? But jusu means drinks. Sweet drinks like apple juice to coke, any sweet drinks. Native term is "kannmiryou-甘味料". Classmate's native term is "gakuyuu--学友", or "kyuuyuu--級友", or "doukyuusei--同級生". |
StudyingEnglish said: DreamingBeats said: 1. Yes I have, but only once when I was introduced to the school the first day. The teacher told the students not to come to the roof top.judging from the ads i've seen, they are more concerned with bodily hair (legs and under arms) as well as pimples or other "imperfections" in their skin. ah, and belly fat (the ad promises an easy way to lose weight by taking a pill) ot: 1) have you been to the top of the building? there seems to be a recurring theme were the main characters do activities there. examples include Comic Girls, Love Live, Anima Yell, one week friends, etc, etc. 2) do you have archery club at your school? 3) is sending love / invitation / challenge letter still a thing? 4) not a question, but when you are in class, look to your right. .... there is a wall. 2. The Japanese one? Yes I do. My friend is a member :) 3. Yes it is. I've got five of them since middle school. 3 at valentines day and two in a random day. 4. Is that a reference of something? Sorry I couldn't really understand. I don't have a wll next to me. 4) from the series Acchi Kocchi: |
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StudyingEnglish said: Did this become a meme or something? Or did you like it and remember it lol i only saw one or two episodes or so, but somehow that scene stuck with me haha. |
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| This is purely grammar but I'm watching Parasyte and I couldn't help but notice that sin'iti says: "boku na migi te ha?" which got translated as "What about my right hand?"; is I assume that "boku no" instead of "boku na" would be fine too? Is there any nuance to this? I've never seen it used like that. |
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| Do girls have mannerism like in anime? Examples: shy girls talking like "H-hi M-Muroto-kun"... something... moe-like tsunderes, yanderes and stuff (not in the extreme way) Did a girl confess her love to you? How was it? What was your answer? Is kokuhaku really a thing? Is it common confess to someone that way? |
StudyingEnglish said: What would you say the gender ratios in love confessions are? Media makes it seem like females confess about five times more often than males but this high number is probably just because most of those shows are geared towards males having a male protagonist.Parkrover said: Tsunderes and yanderes, yes they exist. But I've never seen any shy girls like in anime. They can't even call peoples names.Do girls have mannerism like in anime? Examples: shy girls talking like "H-hi M-Muroto-kun"... something... moe-like tsunderes, yanderes and stuff (not in the extreme way) Did a girl confess her love to you? How was it? What was your answer? Is kokuhaku really a thing? Is it common confess to someone that way? Yes I have a few times. I was surprised and was happy about it. But I rejected all of them because I had someone I really love and was planning to confess someday, which is my girlfriend right now. Also is it true that the social expectation is to keep your feelings completely hidden before confessing so it comes as a shock or that people that really barely know each other confess to each other? Also, yes you're right upon re-listen; it was "no" and not "na", no idea why I heard "na" as I was expecting "no" and it really stood out as weird. |
It is obvious that "obscenity" is not a term capable of exact legal definition; in the practice of the courts, it means "anything that shocks the magistrate". — Bertrand Russell |
StudyingEnglish said: Yeah — I was expecting that it was because of that.Sphinxter said: The face to face type of confessions like in anime are mostly done by guys. Girls would mostly confess by texts. Ratio would be about Male:Female=4:6 maybe. You should check out more shoujo genre because there are tons of guys confessing to girls.What would you say the gender ratios in love confessions are? Media makes it seem like females confess about five times more often than males but this high number is probably just because most of those shows are geared towards males having a male protagonist. Also is it true that the social expectation is to keep your feelings completely hidden before confessing so it comes as a shock or that people that really barely know each other confess to each other? Also, yes you're right upon re-listen; it was "no" and not "na", no idea why I heard "na" as I was expecting "no" and it really stood out as weird. But that's interesting I guess; so you'd say that females more often take the initiative than males but do so in a less balsy manner? Like this American thing where one (almost invariably males) would ask out a complete stranger one just met on the street on a date — I assume that would not often happen in Japan? Also does this thing actually happen where they confess to fellow students at school whom they are barely acquainted with? |
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| ever tried cheating, or know someone who tried cheating in exams? as for joining clubs, there is aways 帰宅部 (on a side note, japanese language is fun in how words are chosen to mean something. if there is a club member that doesnt participate in the club's activities, we call it "inactive member" in english, but in japanese they are referred as "ghost/spectre/phantom members") |
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| how strict are your school regulations? i certainly expect things like 廊下を走ってはならない！ and プールサイドを走ってはならない！ to be common rules, but probably not things like 廊下を歩くときは壁に沿って右側を歩くこと！ 本を読みながらの歩行は禁止！ or 生徒は始業10分前に教室に入るべし！ Paprika school from pripara is pretty strict... and its only a middle school. you can read the list of the rules and regulations here: http://osborne.hatenablog.com/entry/2014/11/03/232416 |
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| I have another language quæstion I guess, a short 6 second clip https://www.speakpipe.com/voice-recorder/msg/i4m4mhl66ye1pndx I have four different renderings of the same word in four different phonological systems; could you order them for me in terms of "easiest" to "least easy" to understand for you? |
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