| if not then can it determine morality at least better than what philosophy can? or no matter what we still need philosophy like ethics to determine morals i personally do not know but i think science should be beneficial for humanity at least so we can start making morals there |
| It's probably about as moral as art or engineering. |
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Scud said: It's probably about as moral as art or engineering. reminds me that software engineering needs morality/ethics especially those that engineer artificial intelligence social media technology needs morality/ethics too especially on privacy matters because today they only see profit as the only good |
| Science is a type of philosophy and morals also are a type of philosophy. You can't have either without philosophy. Morals that aren't backed by facts aren't very good morals and neither are ones that misrepresent facts. Science can be ethical or unethical depending how experiments are done and what the intended use of data is. |
traed said: Science is a type of philosophy and morals also are a type of philosophy. You can't have either without philosophy. Morals that aren't backed by facts aren't very good morals and neither are ones that misrepresent facts. Science can be ethical or unethical depending how experiments are done and what the intended use of data is. science and technology are considered neutral tools though so thats where the amoral claim comes from but ye i agree that science can be ethical if its intended for the benefit of humanity as a whole |
| Science and morals are 2 separated aspects of life. One is exact measures and cold blooded studies about the universe around us, and the other is a concept that tells us what is right and what isn't. Science can be moral, but it's not garenteed to be. Science effects morals because it defines how objective stuff in life work, which effects our decisions and our way of adapting, but morals, which are built upon peoples' feelings and needs and how we adapt to them. Also, morals change over time, and the way the world around us works does not change as quickly |
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| Better question-can morality be scientific? |
| Life Is Short But Intense. |
| Gee I dunno. There is science behind eugenics but nobody practices it. |
| “Loddfafnir, listen to my counsel: You will fare well if you follow it, It will help you much if you heed it. If aware that another is wicked, say so: Make no truce or treaty with foes.” - Havamal 127 |
| Seems silly to debate this on an anime forum, but if you're able, there's a great book by Sam Harris called "The Moral Landscape" which answers this very question. It's a really good read if you're into it. I should note that Sam Harris is an Atheist and a portion of the book is debunking the rhetoric of faith being required for human morality. |
| There's a real easy to deal with this if you wanna be unethical. Rewrite society's beliefs with something that will allow you to advance full speed ahead without feeling guilty. The whole reason for MUH MORALS is because of how Western Civilization formed starting with Alexander the Great accepting Cosmopolitanism and not committing genocide when he conquered the Persian Empire. This is what ultimately led to the Enlightenment Values and whatnot and then when Europe went and conquered the shit out of everyone they spread it though as pretty obvious different cultures caused the creation of different values, like the difference between the USA and Brazil is because who made it which led to how things were run, USA was founded by potential businessmen while Brazil was run as a pure extraction resource for minerals and shit by the Hasburgs. You can only do shit as long as society will allow you to. Like if you wanna do messed up shit in like the USA you need to keep it hidden and whatnot and you need to spend all your time trying to hide ways to hide it, and then try to find ways to make sure that anything you do is hidden. This is why conspiracy theories and whistleblowing happens. Had different circumstances succeeded or different values won out the viewpoint on how moral you need to be to run shit would be different. You could change it by social engineering society but that would take a while to do so and if you wanted highly and extreme unethical stuff to be seen as completely normal you would need to work on completely getting rid of Western Values. |
25YearOldBoomerJan 5, 2019 1:13 AM
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