What is it about Kiritsugu, that makes him more popular than even Shiro - leading hero of Fate franchise? (SPOILERS)
| Because he's not a dumbass, he's an actual deep character with even deeper ideals and a backstory PLUS ending equal to that. Edit: Even if you add Archer's favorites to Shirou, Kiritsugu still wins. |
LunilahNov 15, 2018 2:21 PM
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| A. Cause he's badass and a lot of people like badass characters B. People tend to not like Shiro since he's more of a...well "brat" compared to Kiri. That and his ideals and actions tend to blow up sometimes |
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HsiuqsYgnops said: Well, clearly we will have people who didn't read the vn shit talk on Shirou. Let's just say, on MAL, more people have seen fate/zero than any f/sn adaptation. If they did, probably Deen/stay night with adapts shirou as trash. Even the ufotable adaptations can't properly present his character. So people who didn't read vn probably like kiritsugu more. Shirou is actually an interesting character, in the vn at least. girls shouldn't fight whether a servant or not - shirou VN i can't be in the same room because i'm a boy and saber is a girl - shirou VN my Infinite IQ comprehends why Ufotable cut this part of his character making him bland MC |
| as someone who read the original light novels for fate zero and played Fate stay night visual Character's motives Shirou and kiri are simply not comparable in the slightest Kiri believes that saving the majority justify not doing the same for the minorty shirou believes that his Life was saved for the exchange of others there might be a similarity in their beliefs but that's where it disappears, you see, shirou believes that for one to save another, they would have to sacrifice themselves, as without doing so, one cannot save the other while kiri, would never sacrifice himself for such a circumstance, instead, he believes that he should survive the cruelty so that he can conquer the world's evil in a sense saving everyone in the process,and he's willing to realize this ideal by any means spot the difference? point is, they are not even closely similar while being in the same medium, Shirou would never sacrifice someone for the sake of others' salvation, Kiri?, meh, he wouldn't even need to think about it, it's a see and do for kiri now, for their Personnality Shirou: well, he's not the most likable character in this regard,he has a misogynistic side that is so extreme that he would ask a servant to stop being a warrior because their gender/sex happen to be a female, even though the female servant can one shot him by the thought of it, the other negative side of him is his virgin shield, where he starts having pervert thoughts whenever he's near a fine female, be it a servant or humans, except taiga because may the Highter being witness, she might not be a female for all we know bonus: shirou says he adapted those behaviors from kiri, which is odd since he never showed such behaviors Kiritsugu: well, Kiri .....is an idealistic person who is closed to everything that is not a part of his ideal, at least till fate stay night. not the best writing but simple and project-able unlike someone, ahem shirou ahem and the last thing is their character development it's not a new thing that kiri developed to update his view of his ideal to realize how broken it is, which is a success, writing wise, while shirou never accepted that development and rather chose an alternative with the same ideal, kind of like trying to cheat fate in a sense, which is a failure character wise and coincidentally the point of UBW events and fate is not the center of the nasuverse, that would be Notes, the origin of the nasuverse, fate is simply the most popular. bonus: servant kiri is basically what Kiri would be if zero events wouldn't have happened. |
PhantomnocomicsNov 15, 2018 3:02 PM
| I recently watched Fate/Zero and Fate/Stay Night UBW for the first time and this is what I have to say. Kiritsugu has a deeper and more engaging backstory . The overall feel of his character is darker (which I prefer), and his ending felt more emotional when he found Shirou in the fire. On the other hand, Shirou feels to me like the teenage MC archetype and he doesn't really develop much in the anime aside from and . I feel like Shirou's character could have been more interesting if they developed Archer and Shirou's relationship more. |
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| No idea, I find both of them to be boring ass fucks. Kotomine master race |
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Taylor_Mk said: I recently watched Fate/Zero and Fate/Stay Night UBW for the first time and this is what I have to say. Kiritsugu has a deeper and more engaging backstory . The overall feel of his character is darker (which I prefer), and his ending felt more emotional when he found Shirou in the fire. On the other hand, Shirou feels to me like the teenage MC archetype and he doesn't really develop much in the anime aside from and . I feel like Shirou's character could have been more interesting if they developed Archer and Shirou's relationship more. that would be heaven's feel then, where shirou has the most development |
| shirou is but another generic will-save-the-world unninteresting MC. kiritsugu is more interesting, and he's one of the MCs of fate zero who's got: - more members on MAL and is - considered way better by many people.(score and overall people prefear zero) that said, I liked kiritsugu but found kotomine so much more interesting, he was the real main character of fate zero for me. (I only watched fate stay night 2006 and fate zero when I'm writing this so i don't know about what happens next) HsiuqsYgnops said: yayComic_Sans said: No idea, I find both of them to be boring ass fucks. Kotomine master race Finally, a proper answer. I never could have thought of that. You're a genius fam. Kotomine best grill. Comic_Sans said: well I liked kiritsugu tbh but kirei kotominei is such an awesome character and he goes so fucking well along with gilgamesh. he's the main character for me!No idea, I find both of them to be boring ass fucks. Kotomine master race |
ZehennagelNov 15, 2018 3:30 PM
HsiuqsYgnops said: Comic_Sans said: No idea, I find both of them to be boring ass fucks. Kotomine master race Finally, a proper answer. I never could have thought of that. You're a genius fam. Kotomine best grill. But how can he be best grill if he's not even a virgin ? |
| Shiro is more you're typical MC. He's not a bad MC per se, but he's nothing innovative. On top of that, he's not the brightest, like how he said "People die when they're killed." Granted, I haven't read the VNs but I know a few people who have, and they've all said Shiro is portrayed better in that than in the anime. Kiritsugu, on the other, is honestly a strategical genius and every fight he was in was like chess. Add in the fact that he's a badass and has quite a lot of character depth and he's far better than Shiro. |
Kwen53Nov 15, 2018 3:39 PM
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| I think it's because the true FSN hasn't been fully animated yet. Personally, I don't enjoy Shiro because of his personality, I can't take his ideals seriously (and he lacks the edgy/badass part of Kiritsugu). Shiro<<<Yorokobe Shounen Priest<Kiritsugu<Mirou(legitimate heir of Kiritsugu)<SHINJI |
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Zehennagel said: shirou is but another generic will-save-the-world unninteresting MC. kiritsugu is more interesting, and he's one of the MCs of fate zero who's got: - more members on MAL and is - considered way better by many people.(score and overall people prefear zero) that said, I liked kiritsugu but found kotomine so much more interesting, he was the real main character of fate zero for me. (I only watched fate stay night 2006 and fate zero when I'm writing this so i don't know about what happens next) HsiuqsYgnops said: yayFinally, a proper answer. I never could have thought of that. You're a genius fam. Kotomine best grill. Comic_Sans said: well I liked kiritsugu tbh but kirei kotominei is such an awesome character and he goes so fucking well along with gilgamesh. he's the main character for me!No idea, I find both of them to be boring ass fucks. Kotomine master race koto became a joke in FSN, who acts like a Crippled Old guy that can't even stop an amateur battle teen from overwhelming him which is a joke |
Fulmi said: I think it's because the true FSN hasn't been fully animated yet. Personally, I don't enjoy Shiro because of his personality, I can't take his ideals seriously (and he lacks the edgy/badass part of Kiritsugu). Shiro<<<Yorokobe Shounen Priest<Kiritsugu<Mirou(legitimate heir of Kiritsugu)<SHINJI Your response made me awaken my Inner demons, now take responsibility for I have been enlightened, all there is to wait for in life is a Shinji route |
| most of people (including me) can't understand shirou and his motivations |
| Because Shirou is a bland cunt. Only interesting version of Shirou was Fate route Shirou and everybody especially hates that one, lol. |
 What's the difference? |
| He has a strong ideal and the will to carry it out. Like Lelouch, Kira from Death Note, Griffith or Thanos. All the most captivating characters have this in common. |
Ter0zak said: most of people (including me) can't understand shirou and his motivations Because like most children he actually has none. |
Zehennagel said: shirou is but another generic will-save-the-world unninteresting MC. kiritsugu is more interesting, and he's one of the MCs of fate zero who's got: - more members on MAL and is - considered way better by many people.(score and overall people prefear zero) that said, I liked kiritsugu but found kotomine so much more interesting, he was the real main character of fate zero for me. (I only watched fate stay night 2006 and fate zero when I'm writing this so i don't know about what happens next) HsiuqsYgnops said: yayFinally, a proper answer. I never could have thought of that. You're a genius fam. Kotomine best grill. Comic_Sans said: well I liked kiritsugu tbh but kirei kotominei is such an awesome character and he goes so fucking well along with gilgamesh. he's the main character for me!No idea, I find both of them to be boring ass fucks. Kotomine master race Agreed! Watching Kirei was one of the best parts of Fate/Zero. Wish he was as awesome in UBW, but whatever. |
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Zekerets said: Anyone who actually read the VN would find out that Shirou is a profoundly complex character and a rather nice attempt at deconstructing shounen mc tropes. You can't 'get' Shirou if you don't experience his thoughts in the original medium and since anime VN adaptations are very bad at portraying internal monologues, to the anime onlies he appears to be rather stupid and generic. Adapting VNs is extremely hard but ufotable could have done a better job in this respect. On the other hand, Fate Zero is a light novel which is easier to adapt and thus Kiri is better portrayed. shirou: her an** is defenless saber should not fight, she's a girl her skin is mature now, and she looks finer than ever, she must be growing people die when they are killed i can't look at her eyes, they are so beautiful that they make embarrassed, i need to look away i need to save saber, i can't let a girl fight a monster like berserker '''gets insta K.O'' -complex character < you heard it here first folks |
PhantomnocomicsNov 15, 2018 6:04 PM
Ter0zak said: most of people (including me) can't understand shirou and his motivations No one does, that's the right response to anything shirou does, shirou does shirou |
Daemon said: Because Shirou is a bland cunt. Only interesting version of Shirou was Fate route Shirou and everybody especially hates that one, lol. obviously because he's not a misogynic, idealist, and a stupid teen whose virginity makes him react to every attractive FEMALE there is, human or not, except tagia, because kiri knows why not |
| Maybe it's because in a series about fighting for an omnipotent wish granting device Kiritsugu is one of the only protagonists that has a wish, will do whatever it takes to get that wish granted. His actions also align with what we learn about his character as we watch the show and his desire to save the world despite the cost to himself makes him a tragic hero. Throww in his extreme competence as a mage and his chemistry with Kotomine and it's clear why he has more favorites than Emiya "King of Asspulls" Shirou. |
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| I like Kiritsugu more because he is more edgy I identify myself with him, who is like a tragic hero. I started watching Fate with Fate/Zero and I have only read the Fate route. Shirou is better in the VN but he still annoys me in some parts. |
because he was awesome during his childhood years |
| An admin's dickhead Soul banned me from MAL t('v't) |
| Becuz he's handsome and actually has a personality. Shirou is shit tbh,I dont care if he's better in UBW or the Vn,he's shit. |
| look at mal's top favorite characters and notice that a lot of them mostly fit the ideal chuuni fantasy in some way, kiritsugu aligns with it more than shirou sure you can make arguments for why you as an individual think kiritsugu is better or deeper or more mature (he isn't) but to the majority it's the more superficial qualities that appeal more, it's because he fits the shallow idea of a "realistic" hero by being dark and gritty even though his characterization does run deeper than that |
Aure0linNov 16, 2018 7:25 AM
| "I like young-girl sexual creations, Lolicon is just one hobby of my many hobbies," he says. I ask what his wife, standing nearby, thinks of his "hobby". "She probably thinks no problem," he replies. "Because she loves young boys sexually interacting with each other." |
Zekerets said: Phantomnocomics said: shirou: her an** is defenless saber should not fight, she's a girl her skin is mature now, and she looks finer than ever, she must be growing people die when they are killed i can't look at her eyes, they are so beautiful that they make embarrassed, i need to look away i need to save saber, i can't let a girl fight a monster like berserker '''gets insta K.O'' -complex character < you heard it here first folks First of all Fate Stay Night never had an official translation, that's why we got stuff like " people die when they are killed". Moreover the porn scenes are pretty shitty since they weren't even written by Nasu. The question here is Shirou as a character, not crappy mistranslations and lame hentai dialogue. 'Muh misogyny' doesn't make him a less complex character, he's pretty fucked in the head, that's the entire point! Apparently edginess alone can make a personality profound according to MAL users. there were more than one translation for the FSN visual novel, one by mirror moon and the second by beast lair which was done by a Community instead of a staff and it's not a mis-translation, it's a literal translation, this was discussed years ago in beast lair in whether the literal translation were necessary or not, since everyone is a fan of fate in there and no one wants some no one's interpretation as the translation, they just left it literal it was nasu who wrote them, don't know where you got that from, but he's a shit writer when it comes to those scenes, hence the famous memes of Tsukihime thing is: edges are the same Fetish, they are for specific audiences, and not meant to be developed making whoever the character that inhabit them bland in nature, not good nor bad, they are just there like some curse and since shirou never developed his characters' flaws, he's a failure of character |
Zekerets said: 25NOVember said: Lets just face it nobody like a character whose only aim is to save everyone. Save everyone? Who is that even possible. Kiri is more realistic in his approach. He is badass. He has a brain. And he has a fucking aim. Plus he had an awesome rival, kotomine. The whole point of his character is to show that an idealistic approach is always destined to fail. This seems to fly over everyone's head. Same goes for Kiritsugu but he just have dat edge going for him so he's automatically a more complex character apparently. Also Kiritsugu wants to save everyone as well, this is literally his one life long goal, he's even more obsessive about it than shirou, did you even pay attention? -shirou never accepts that his ideal is a failure even though it's an Objective Fate -not all ideals fail to be realized -kiri does not want to save everyone, he wants to conquer the world's Cruelty and control it so no one cause others to suffer anymore kind of a villain, but again, he is a villain. -i have never seen someone call a villain edgy before, i'm amused, so, are all villains edgy now?, well, what a fate. |
Aure0lin said: look at mal's top favorite characters and notice that a lot of them mostly fit the ideal chuuni fantasy in some way, kiritsugu aligns with it more than shirou sure you can make arguments for why you as an individual think kiritsugu is better or deeper or more mature (he isn't) but to the majority it's the more superficial qualities that appeal more, it's because he fits the shallow idea of a "realistic" hero by being dark and gritty even though his characterization does run deeper than that never thought of kiri as a DARK hero, sure, he does some heroic stuff sometimes, but not out of choices and all come as incidental, he's more of a villain, and popularity does not mean quality, if it was the reverse, kirito sama would be the Best MC Archetype of all time and of course, kiri is not better, deeper, mature, than shirou a sexually oversensitive teen with an over the top misangony side whose ideal is to save EVERY-one, be it forcefully or willingly, in all-times vs an asexual adult with an equalizer kill for both genders whose ideal is just to stop people from suffering from the world's cruelty i guess Arguments and facts mean nothing because obviously Your WORD is objective, who am i to defy such a thing? |
Phantomnocomics said: Well that's FSN, and FSN sucks ass. on the contrary fate zero is great and kirei and gilgamesh make sure to embrace this greatness. Zehennagel said: shirou is but another generic will-save-the-world unninteresting MC. kiritsugu is more interesting, and he's one of the MCs of fate zero who's got: - more members on MAL and is - considered way better by many people.(score and overall people prefear zero) that said, I liked kiritsugu but found kotomine so much more interesting, he was the real main character of fate zero for me. (I only watched fate stay night 2006 and fate zero when I'm writing this so i don't know about what happens next) yaywell I liked kiritsugu tbh but kirei kotominei is such an awesome character and he goes so fucking well along with gilgamesh. he's the main character for me! koto became a joke in FSN, who acts like a Crippled Old guy that can't even stop an amateur battle teen from overwhelming him which is a joke I haven't seen FSN 2014 yet but 2006 sucked ass. and well wether he sucks in FSN or not it doesn't change the fact that he was such a good character in zero. |
Phantomnocomics_profile_page said: lmao you couldn't make this upi live by myself and by my own rules, alone Phantomnocomics said: you're making the assumption that i somehow think popularity means quality when my post implicitly states that it isn't (kiritsugu being more popular than shirou even though he isn't as well written)never thought of kiri as a DARK hero, sure, he does some heroic stuff sometimes, but not out of choices and all come as incidental, he's more of a villain, and popularity does not mean quality, if it was the reverse, kirito sama would be the Best MC Archetype of all time lelouch fits the idea well enough, being a better written character than kirito probably also helps in giving you an edge in addition for being a mastermind that conquers everyone in your show and of course, kiri is not better, deeper, mature, than shirou seriously, you couldn't make this shit up lola sexually oversensitive teen with an over the top misangony side whose ideal is to save EVERY-one, be it forcefully or willingly, in all-times vs an asexual adult with an equalizer kill for both genders whose ideal is just to stop people from suffering from the world's cruelty i guess Arguments and facts mean nothing because obviously Your WORD is objective, who am i to defy such a thing? |
| "I like young-girl sexual creations, Lolicon is just one hobby of my many hobbies," he says. I ask what his wife, standing nearby, thinks of his "hobby". "She probably thinks no problem," he replies. "Because she loves young boys sexually interacting with each other." |
Aure0lin said: Phantomnocomics_profile_page said: lmao you couldn't make this upi live by myself and by my own rules, alone Phantomnocomics said: you're making the assumption that i somehow think popularity means quality when my post implicitly states that it isn't (kiritsugu being more popular than shirou even though he isn't as well written)never thought of kiri as a DARK hero, sure, he does some heroic stuff sometimes, but not out of choices and all come as incidental, he's more of a villain, and popularity does not mean quality, if it was the reverse, kirito sama would be the Best MC Archetype of all time lelouch fits the idea well enough, being a better written character than kirito probably also helps in giving you an edge in addition for being a mastermind that conquers everyone in your show and of course, kiri is not better, deeper, mature, than shirou seriously, you couldn't make this shit up lola sexually oversensitive teen with an over the top misangony side whose ideal is to save EVERY-one, be it forcefully or willingly, in all-times vs an asexual adult with an equalizer kill for both genders whose ideal is just to stop people from suffering from the world's cruelty i guess Arguments and facts mean nothing because obviously Your WORD is objective, who am i to defy such a thing? *sure you can make arguments for why you as an individual think kiritsugu is better or deeper or more mature (he isn't)* my response was merely aimed at this comment, it kind of triggered me, no need to get offensive about it, whether you think Kiri is deeper, more mature, or better than shirou or not is not my issue but your comment imply a dismiss for arguments about kiri, be it intentional or incidental and the character descriptive i gave is canon, so that's kind of a fact, so..... farewell |
Zehennagel said: Phantomnocomics said: Well that's FSN, and FSN sucks ass. on the contrary fate zero is great and kirei and gilgamesh make sure to embrace this greatness. koto became a joke in FSN, who acts like a Crippled Old guy that can't even stop an amateur battle teen from overwhelming him which is a joke I haven't seen FSN 2014 yet but 2006 sucked ass. and well wether he sucks in FSN or not it doesn't change the fact that he was such a good character in zero. . i guess it was less lamer than the fate route in UBW, the least lame is in Hallow Aatarxia where he's actually fate zero-like, but that sequel will never see an adaptation, at least not till FSN is unfinished that is, which might not be till 2024 for all we know, since heaven feel is 2 part in and there is no Fate route anime yet, deen stay night is a filler, so it doesn't exist. Yorokobe Weeb of red for I Weeb of Blue will eliminate you in this holy grail. |
PhantomnocomicsNov 16, 2018 10:57 AM
| to me shirou has pulled a lot of shit from his ass while kiritsugu has trained a lot and had a lot of time to show of what he was capable of |
| To all people want to see badass Shirou who don't give a fuck about people go and fucking watch HF or Fate Kalied and stop shiting on him they just watch People die when they are killed dialogue and began to shiting on him without even watching the whole thing fuck u retards people. |
What shit have u even watched the whole thing? |
well, Fate kaleid shirou and FSN shirou are not the same shirou, so......and the topic is about FSN shirou. in HF, he's quite OP but that doesn't mean make him a cool character nor does it change his flaws as a character, it Only means the plot was character convenient than even UBW. |
PhantomnocomicsNov 16, 2018 12:42 PM
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