Steins;Gate 0 is a MASTERPIECE and here is why

Lain666 said:

I disagree with this. The first 15 episodes are basiaclly slice of life: throwing parties, cleaning, etc. How do you expect your readers/viwers to be interested in this stuff if the characters are bland cardboards?

Then we have the second half were the plot picks up, but the actions scenes are over the top to the point of being ridiculous.

If the characters are not interesting and the action scenes are no good, then what is left? That the authors had an ok idea for midquel or whatever you want to call it? Even if they had an ok idea, the execution was not impressive.

MohamedxSalah said:
So there is hell alot of people saying that steins;gate 0 is not good as the original /overrated/ etc ...

and today i'm gonna defend this series because i really think it's a masterpiece

1. What is Steins gate ? / The art of suffering

Most of people who say that 0 is not good as the original just because of the different/darker atmosphere
like what was you expecting ? okabe laugh and keep the mad scientist persona after he think that he killed kurisu ? like are you kidding with me ?
Steins Gate was never about kurisu and the mad scientist
it was about a man who was trying to keep his childhood friend happy to PROTECT her smile, the Sci Fi part was like spices not the main part , the mad scientist was a persona " as he told kurisu that he just act this way to keep mayuri happy "
and suddenly he find himself surrounded by the fact that he created a time machine , he breaks down when he lose mayuri from episode 12 to the end the series take a psychological trip to okabe mind a man who tries to safe mayuri but to do that he must sacrifice kurisu his love , Steins gate was a masterpiece in the art of suffering , we see how broken he was when he was trying to safe mayuri and we see a glance of how more broken he is in episode 23 of the original when he killed kurisu but the series give you a happy ending and never expand on this suffering that much at least , that until Steins Gate 0 happen

2. Steins Gate 0 is psychological MASTERPIECE

Steins gate 0 expand on the psychological part of the original
Steins Gate 0 is not the original , it's about a broken man who suffered alot and failed to protect everyone smile so he accepting this and try to live but his pain does not stop , he cannot just stop blaming himself and this what makes him suffer even more , He tries to convince himself that everything is okay now , that this is the right choice that everyone is happy , As seen in episode , he told mayuri " Everything now is fine right ? " he tries so hard to make everyone happy but he failed

Steins gate 0 is about this man okabe rintaro who give up on his mad scientist persona to wear a sad one not even a scientist one

it's psychological trip and journey of this man to overcome his pain and to sent the message that changed everything , To gain back hope and to reach the gate , The promised time that he makes by his own hand

in the first episode of 0 , we see okabe telling suzuha " whatever i do it wont help , i'm powerless / humans can't play with the rules of the god "
we see by okabe eyes how broken he is , how his choice to leave kurisu break him down , how seeing his friend die endless times make him feel

also 0 give a hell of character development to mayuri and daru . we see a side of them that we never saw before


IF you just want the mad scientist and some fanservice kurisu love , Then zero is not for you
Zero is not a fanservice/money machine Series , its a genuine psychological series and a perfect addition to the original answering the question
" What would happen if okabe give up on saving kurisu "
it's fill the gab between episode 23 and episode 24 of the original series
and this is so unique and special by itself

and for that Zero is A Masterpiece 10/10

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Note : some people would say the fight scenes and stuff , yes it wasn't good but that doesn't change the score , the original didn't have a fighting scenes in the first place so what are you comparing it to ?
and the blu ray release will fix alot of the animation glitches

Perrito said:
Most people defending the show are users with a 7.00+ average score rating. They can like all the things they want, but calling this shitfest a masterpiece is taking it too far.
The eye-gouging animation alone prevents the show from being a masterpiece.
The story is a freaking disaster. The VN already has pacing and paradox problems and the anime takes it up to eleven merging all the game routes into a single one. None of it makes sense.

2/10 and I still think I'm being generous, smh.

Perrito said:
Most people defending the show are users with a 7.00+ average score rating. They can like all the things they want, but calling this shitfest a masterpiece is taking it too far.
The eye-gouging animation alone prevents the show from being a masterpiece.
The story is a freaking disaster. The VN already has pacing and paradox problems and the anime takes it up to eleven merging all the game routes into a single one. None of it makes sense.

2/10 and I still think I'm being generous, smh.

SheevPalpatine said:



There are absolutely no paradox things in the VN nor in the anime. Perhaps you do not know correctly how time travel works in this franchise.

Perrito said:


The first VN/Anime took great care (and I mean A LOT) in not creating paradoxes with attractor fields and many complementary explanations and was pleasantly coherent.

Zero takes a dump in such cares with the song arc and the D-Rine travelling to adifferent timeline past. And, as I mentioned, merging all the routes into one made matters incredibly worse. Perhaps you didn't understand anything that Zero proposed time-travel wise.

SheevPalpatine said:



The song arc is not a paradox. It is not a closed loop, it just appears to be, you can read more about it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/steinsgate/comments/8ucqql/song_for_the_stars_about_the_song_in_sg_0_episode/

And the D-Rine didn't traveling to a different worldline past. In fact, the 3 D-Rines we saw in the VN are different D-Rines, only their text is the same. But they are different, they were sent from different futures. Steins Gate 0 is about worldline iterations, each different route is just an iteration of the thousands Beta iterations. If you thought that the D-Rine which you sent at the end of PR is the same as you received in Closed Epigraph, then you were wrong. The latter came from a future which we never saw.
This is not a theory, this is a fact, which pretty obvious from the VN if you think about it a bit. There are little sentences is in it, which hint that this is the case (plus latter, the authors confirmed it)

Perrito said:


I would still need to be a D-Rine from that timeline's future, where the scenario where they decide to change the future never happens

Perrito said:


Also, the PR and MWC worldines divergence by Okabe's decision makes no sense whatsoever.

Perrito said:

About the song arc, every single step is accompannied by a "most likely", "probably", which makes it the same crap than any other theory (whether it says it's a paradox or not)

Perrito said:

Even if it isn't a loop, the whole arc doesn't add shit to the overall story

SheevPalpatine said:


Ok, and? It is the same as any other D-Mail, then what is the problem? Here we saw the events from the receiver's perspective, not from the sender's.



Why?




Yes, it is a theory, but the song is not a loop, it is pretty obvious from the game. Since Kagari brought that song from a previous worldline, it cannot be a loop.



It actually adds. It is important for the worldbuilding, since the song's story perfectly shows how the iterative process works with the worldlines (which is the whole concept of 0)