Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
| I get it why Subaru would reject Rem.She killed him 2-3 times and then she suddenly confesses to him it's obvious that he would reject her.People who hate Subaru are the one's who watch Re zero just for Rem. |
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| Subaru is annoying, stupid and useless. Along with that, he doesn’t develop at all throughout the series, just whines and lets the girls just suddenly like him. |
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Bloomberry said: lets the girls just suddenly like him. I'm sorry, but that take is kinda false. You've missed the moment when Emilia didn't support his action during the Grand Court scene. I mean, sure... he lets them to like him, but that's just him being stupid. So you're half-wrong, half-right |
HanashiD4Dec 2, 2020 12:20 AM
 "You don't get it, a million sorry's is not equal to one thank you." — Emilia |
| He is annoying, stupid, and willfully ignorant about his circumstance. Honestly, he is literally unable to survive in an isekai fantasy world; given the number of deaths that he had. Of course, him dying repeatedly is well deserved because of his stupidity. At this point, he's just torturing himself by continuing to live. His idiotic thoughts of 'I must protect Emilia by any means necessary even at my own expense' is so stupid that it's not even be worth the time to use his power. I mean, there are SOOOO many ways to abuse his time travel ability that he's not using. And his fixation on Amelia is just outright ridiculous. I would give up my life for my significant other but... him and Emilia aren't even on true dating terms yet. Plus, he has died a few times before their first date. If you think about it, a relationship that involves this much death and a multitude of people wanting to kill you is a huge red flag that Subaru hasn't seem to understand yet. Maybe he just needs to die until the point that his mind breaks.... Oh... wait.... it did... before then end of season 1. |
Anim3PunkDec 2, 2020 12:27 AM
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HanashiD4 said: Bloomberry said: lets the girls just suddenly like him. I'm sorry, but that take is kinda false. You've missed the moment when Emilia didn't support his action during the Grand Court scene. I mean, sure... he lets them to like him, but that's just him being stupid. So you're half-wrong, half-right Dawg you’re actually scaring me. Every time I make a post against Re: Zero you are there within an hour to have your take on it lol. |
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Bloomberry said: HanashiD4 said: I'm sorry, but that take is kinda false. You've missed the moment when Emilia didn't support his action during the Grand Court scene. I mean, sure... he lets them to like him, but that's just him being stupid. So you're half-wrong, half-right Dawg you’re actually scaring me. Every time I make a post against Re: Zero you are there within an hour to have your take on it lol. It's because I'm also annoyed by any sort of slander who has so much misses. |
"You don't get it, a million sorry's is not equal to one thank you." — Emilia |
| Subaru is quite a special character for me. He is my top most HATED character ever! I think everyone in this thread has listed my thoughts on him so I am not going to repeat it. And I thought no one can take that throne from touma (magical index) argh. I would take the most generic protagonist in existence over him any day of the week |
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| Oh god another revived toxic hate thread, why was this ever revived? Let this rot in hell along with the countless other Subaru/ReZero hate bait threads. |
GilgameshuuDec 2, 2020 2:55 AM
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HanashiD4 said: Bloomberry said: Dawg you’re actually scaring me. Every time I make a post against Re: Zero you are there within an hour to have your take on it lol. It's because I'm also annoyed by any sort of slander who has so much misses. What slander? You're the one so obsessed with this Subaru guy you can't just stand others' opinions. Dear lord you need to get off this site and get some help. Seriously. |
justinian_1Dec 20, 2020 4:47 PM
| Neutral for me. I hate how he is always screaming a̶n̶d̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶p̶i̶c̶k̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶R̶e̶m̶. At least he got better in s2 |
justinian_1 said: What slander? You're the one so obsessed with this Subaru guy you can't just stand others' opinions. Dear lord you need to get off this site and get some help. Seriously. Dawg, I was just joking around here. I'm actually fine with his opinion since we also talk each other in a profile conversation. |
"You don't get it, a million sorry's is not equal to one thank you." — Emilia |
HanashiD4 said: justinian_1 said: What slander? You're the one so obsessed with this Subaru guy you can't just stand others' opinions. Dear lord you need to get off this site and get some help. Seriously. Dawg, I was just joking around here. I'm actually fine with his opinion since we also talk each other in a profile conversation. Oh ok then. That's good to hear, my bad. |
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Enrav1x said: See 25 percent hate subaru characters, that is why we don't good main characters nowdays community is so split that's why authors don't want to take risk of making flawed mc. If mc is not flawed from where he/she will get character development????And if you hate subaru just because he rejected rem then you are just a Rem simp and you probably will not like entirety of season 2. A character lacking basic logic and common sense developing common sense later on isn't good character development. If you even read any of the arguments here you'll see people hate him because he's flaws are too flawed for a normal person. |
Enrav1x said: justinian_1 said: are dumb this guy is dying i mean literally dying obviously he will have breakdowns and his senses will be all over the place if you or me will be in his position we will crying on a corner after the first loop.A character lacking basic logic and common sense developing common sense later on isn't good character development. If you even read any of the arguments here you'll see people hate him because he's flaws are too flawed for a normal person. My good mal people are so dumb He still lacks common sense to at least be careful to prevent from dying unnecessarily. |
justinian_1 said: He still lacks common sense to at least be careful to prevent from dying unnecessarily. All right, I'll bite. What insanely illogical misstep did he make that caused him to die? checking the forums again was a mistake |
Jaereku said: justinian_1 said: He still lacks common sense to at least be careful to prevent from dying unnecessarily. All right, I'll bite. What insanely illogical misstep did he make that caused him to die? checking the forums again was a mistake Are you here to listen or to argue? Because if it's the latter then I won't bother answering since I'm never going to change your mind so it's a waste of time. A lot of points were already said in this thread (even in this page) but many rabid fans just turn a blind eye and seemingly argue just for the sake of protecting a fictional character they like. |
justinian_1Dec 24, 2020 5:51 PM
justinian_1 said: Are you here to listen or to argue? Because if it's the latter then I won't bother answering since I'm never going to change your mind so it's a waste of time. A lot of points were already said in this thread (even in this page) but many rabid fans just turn a blind eye and seemingly argue just for the sake of protecting a fictional character they like. I don't spend a lot of time in the forums so no, I haven't read much of it besides the last comments. I checked because I saw a friend was commenting here. I'll read this page now though and respond to what I think weighs more than "I just think he's stupid/useless/whiny". justinian_1 said: The problem with Subaru is that the plot forces him to be incredibly dumb at times just to make the time travel mechanic work. For someone who is supposed to be a very normal protagonist of the genre, he lacks the most normal thing of all; common sense. The first thing he does when he got isekai'd is to play around. Even after being traumatized by death a few times, he still doesn't take things seriously and doesn't stop to think how bad the situation he's currently in. The way he never questions "reality" even once , and instead becomes narrow-minded to save some random stranger that might not exist is just too contrived. He acts obnoxious to the first person he sees after waking up in a stranger's house and maintains that behavior even after a few lifespans. It also took him a long time to attempt in talking about his powers to someone or simply ask the most basic things like the date and time. He gets into a catatonic state but then you realize he was just acting all the time. He always acts over the top to the point he doesn't feel like a real person anymore. There's so much wrong about his character that when his death scenes happen, you find it difficult to care at all. That's right. He plays around. His first few lines revolve around "why is there not a cute girl who summoned me?", "you big lumps of EXP", "where is my starting gear?". He behaves more like an (entitled) light novel protagonist than a real, functional human being. The very nickname he gives to Emilia ("-tan") is weeb talk. He idolizes Emilia as his "heroine" who needs saving and acts accordingly. Honestly, yeah, I can't blame anyone for disliking him for these things. Some people can't take it, some people can and then some of those people will go on to see the greater purpose behind his character and all he goes through -- which is basically taking the premise of an isekai, the ultimate escapist fantasy in modern Japanese media, and turning it into a wake-up call. Subaru is a good person at heart, but also embodies some of the worst aspects of otaku culture. The show puts him through numerous hardships, even having him face an even more extreme version of himself (Petelgeuse) to finally deliver a positive message of "yes, you're dysfunctional, but even you can improve" in episode 18. Regarding the more minor complaints, he didn't try talking about his power until he was cornered because saying "I can die and return back in time" makes you sound like a madman (especially in front of the girl who he idealizes to a fault and tries to look cool in front of -- part of his toxic nature). He does ask the date and time much like how he studies to learn to read and write, but the former is cut out in the anime (I mean, which viewer really cares that it's the 14th of Tammuz & the middle of the year? From volume 1). Lastly, the catanonic state wasn't really an act. That's a conclusion I see far too often, stemming from taking Petelgeuse's words too literally. It's moreso to drive home that Subaru's insanity, even in his current state, isn't anywhere near Petelgeuse. More on that here. (Not saying that you can't stick to your interpretation, but oftentimes things aren't meant to be taken at face value in media). Hope this was insightful, even a little bit. |
| @Jaereku Thank you for your explanation. However, it only further supports my idea that he's acting illogically with illogical reasons (some were already cleared up, like LN content not in the anime as you say) which is the main point I was trying to make. Yes, there may be an explanation for everything but it doesn't change the fact that he's too flawed. He can't act like a normal person so he gets punished for it which I find problematic when it comes to character growth. With regards to the catatonia, it's the author's explanation so I won't argue further even though it looked otherwise to me. Nevertheless I was assumptive previously so I apologize for being a bit hostile in my previous post. I respect you for not insulting me and for being civil throughout the discussion. |
justinian_1 said: @Jaereku Thank you for your explanation. However, it only further supports my idea that he's acting illogically with illogical reasons (some were already cleared up, like LN content not in the anime as you say) which is the main point I was trying to make. Yes, there may be an explanation for everything but it doesn't change the fact that he's too flawed. He can't act like a normal person so he gets punished for it which I find problematic when it comes to character growth. With regards to the catatonia, it's the author's explanation so I won't argue further even though it looked otherwise to me. Nevertheless I was assumptive previously so I apologize for being a bit hostile in my previous post. I respect you for not insulting me and for being civil throughout the discussion. The feeling is mutual -- I'm glad you're responding civilly as well. Discussing this anime is tough since both sides either vehemently love or hate it. And yeah, he's definitely acting illogically. That's a very fair reason to dislike him as a character (at least early on -- I don't think he was that illogical after episode 18 & in Season 2), and it's dumb if people tried to say otherwise. I just tried to offer my side of things, as to why him being written as this dumb, impulsive & selfish kid early on actually helps the story & the message it's trying to deliver -- I feel like it'd be near-impossible to make a point against escapism, power fantasies and toxic otaku culture/masculinity while having a smart, strong or likeable protagonist, as I think it'd be counter-productive. It's also why I like Shinji from EVA. |
crystalblade13 said: I can’t believe hate is winning. Jesus. Is it just MAL with horrendous taste or is it anime fans in general? He’s an incredibly well written character with an insane amount of development and depth. People can’t understand why he acts how he does? I should have expected this of people who watch shows where the MC can solve problems by being an OP boring know it all Casanova. It’s so bizarre. Go almost anywhere else online. The dude gets the respect he deserves and people actually pay attention to the story and get why he acts how he does. Like.. I get that the series requires brainpower and some people just don’t want to do that while watching their shows. But if so, WHY watch Re:Zero? I think the show having the trappings of an isekai is a big factor in the amount of investment and attention people pour into its writing. Grimgar suffered from the same thing as well. It's a genre that's either liked for its comedy or its power fantasies, so when someone tries to do something serious by using it, people's expectations are betrayed and they're far more needlessly critical of it than they would otherwise be (certainly doesn't help that the subject of its character study is a very flawed, but kindhearted person). |
Swagernator said: the level is high ? Are you kidding me ? Mal is one of the most toxic website I've been on.Nothing at all, he's your typical edgy, harem, isekai protagonist for selfinserts. Also can we please stop making threads based on shitty youtubers ? This is MAL i believe that the level of discussion is higher than that of a youtube community. |
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| He's a simp,edgy,just it,i almost feel pity for him because he barely no power on isekai that barely always cheerful,and thanks for rejecting rem,so we can claimed her because she's not yours |
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| I dropped the anime at episode 8 - because of him. His behaviour was pretty annoying. I know hardcore-fans claim he is a great/reallistic character. But I can't share this opinion. Imo they just like the anime cause of the female chars. I mean you can see a lot of threads about those girls. (Emilia and Rem/Ram.) Then they are too ashamed to admit it - that they like to fap to those girls. (Weird when this actually is normal - and happens for a lot of anime. Shouldn't be ashamed of it.) Now they need an excuse as to why they still like the anime and try to make other stuff look good by finding excuses as how the annoying main char can instead be good/realistic. Might be a wrong opinion - and maybe I would have a different opinion with all the episodes viewed. But at least up to episode 8 this is my opinion. And it was hard enough to endure this character up to this episode. (And besides this the plot was not too interesting to motivate me to watch more. Most other generic isekai are more enjoyable. This is probably one of the worst. Average plot + annoying chars is worse than average plot + okay-ish chars.) So what I hated was his annoying behavior. Always whining/crying. Thinking about "oh did the girl summon me?" ... something like that. Yeah he must have felt pain because of the daying. But the anime (and author of the source and studop adapting it) could have created a good atmosphere instead. And showing/explaining this slowly. Being too much over the top with the presensation only works for certain types of comedy and pure actioin stuff. If this was supposed to be "deep" then they should have handled the presantion in a manner befitting this. Not making the main char appear like kid on ADHD. Since I'm not into "waifus" I did not find a reason to make excuses to continue watching. I'm just not the target audience. (Young boys or the typical a bit older otaku that wants to see waifus for fapping.) While most other anime can still be watched by a lot of different people this one (because of the bad execution/presentation) probably is onyl interesting for such hardcore fans. 5/10 from me though I recognize that the plot itself (with better main char) cold have probably been the typical 7/10 (which I give for most other generic stuff when the chars were okay). That only because I like fantasy as setting though. I'm always a bit more lenient here with my scores. |
zal said: I dislike Subaru because he is presented as the underdog and powerless but he's the most powerful character in the story by convenience from the author. I dislike how he faces the three arc in the same way just on a bigger scale: try -> fail -> cry -> act like a jerk -> waifu raises his morale -> become the hero while ironically Re:Zero fans say that he's not typical hero despite him being so every time he progresses. About Rem? meh, she has a nice backstory but otherwise forgettable. The reason Subaru can't chose her from the author's point of view because she is a boring character with not personality and identity created solely for being discarded. If Subaru chose Rem the show would become dull and boring because the lack drama and because Subaru wouldn't have anything else to strive for. Also found her character inconsistent since in a loop she does what she does because he reeks of the witch but in other loops she gets close to him or even falls in love despite the scent of the witch. Seemed like a one time excuse to confuse the viewers because plot twists that didn't get properly developed. I like this take. The show has an interesting premise, and the author's creativity and goals are evident, but the characters devolve into tropes too quickly, They have one or two dimensions, which are constantly thrust in your face through the animation and dialogue, which lack any subtlety or nuance, and their growth feels contrived or overly theatrical rather than genuine. Episode 18 was refreshing though. Re:Zero is the best isekai I've seen, and while I wouldn't consider it a deconstruction, the author manages to flesh out the protagonist in a much more genuine and compelling manner than is typical of the genre. I recognize that thus far, the other characters have served mainly as devices to explore Subaru himself, but I still wish they had more depth. The dialogue is a definite weakpoint; although sometimes the humor manages to connect. The author's inconsistent use of show don't tell is interesting. He seems to really want to deliver a certain message to his audience; unfortunately, I assume most viewers will prioritize the waifu-war rather than internalize this message and seek self-improvement. |
NordstjaernanFeb 23, 2021 8:48 PM
Surofair said: Subaru's a great character, better than any other protagonist, has far more depth. Yall need to stop hating on fictional characters. He's in an unthinkable situation. He's not strong. He has a big burden to carry. He could give up anytime. After each death, he still summons up the courage to get back up. I find it amazing how he's even able to stay upbeat after so much suffering. He cares so much he suffers again and again to save the people he cares about. He doesn't have to. He can just say f*ck it. He's not strong, he's courageous, more than any other protagonist. That's why he is better than any other protagonist. And of course, it's gonna be too much to handle for him. What is this even supposed to mean? I'm in awe at the absolute delusion and incoherence. You think a relatively generic shounen MC from a slightly above average isekai is "better than any other protagonist"? Maybe if you've spent your entire life mindlessly consuming mass-marketed battle shounen, buying Funko Pops of the annual edgy but cool MC's-best-friend, and downloading "six digit numbers", then a protagonist named after Japan's shittiest car company could strike you as a masterpiece of character writing unmatched by any in the history of humanity. What could possibly be going through your head to click on a thread whose purpose is to critique an author's particular quality of characterization and declare that "yall need to stop hating on fictional characters"? Are we only allowed to hate on historical figures? Does watching a batman movie and thinking: "hey, you know, maybe the Joker is a bad dude" reveal some sort of personal deficit in moral fiber? What about historical fiction? Am I allowed to kill the Nazi zombies in Call of Duty: Black Ops 2, or should I "stop hating"? They are, after all, in "an unthinkable situation." You seem to have some sort of bizarre parasocial relationship with the guy whose major driving factor is being the centerpiece of a 2-dimensional harem, literally and figuratively. Do you really "find it amazing how he's even able to stay upbbeat after so much suffering"? I'm more amazed that an antisocial NEET was spontaneously transported to a fantasy RPG and subsequently became a virtually immortal pussy-slaying machine. I'm going to write a Truman Show fanfiction, just for you, in which Truman, upon finding out he lives in a fabricated reality, is tortured by everyone he has ever known and loved for decades, and then some blue-haired walking waifu pillow with purple eyes and horns gives him head and then he "summons up the courage" to massacre the entire population of Earth, the audience to his torture, for their complicity in his unimaginable suffering. That will really be "amazing." You want to know why you're defending this relatively irrelevant protagonist from a medium for which you ought to be socially excoriated for habitually and uncritically consuming? Because Subaru Natsuki is a self-insert for you. You said it yourself, "he's not strong," and you'd like to think that, if push came to shove, you'd be "courageous, more than any other protagonist," just like him. But if everybody had that potential within them, he wouldn't be special now, would he? I wonder, what has made you deceive yourself into thinking you're as singularly exceptional as the character you so adore? Is it because you, too, have wasted decades of your life as just another mindless consumer? if I had one wish, one single desire for some transcendental being to fulfill, it would be for you to be transported to a fantasy realm identical to Re:Zero's, but only as long as I was able to watch every moment — live in 4k — and witness your pathetic degeneration into insanity and helplessness. If only there was any justice in this world, it would be so. |
NordstjaernanFeb 22, 2021 1:22 AM
Surofair said: That is a bit too much. Don't know why you care so much. For the courage bit, I don't think I could go on continuously dying and suffering to save somebody. I don't think most could. I never said I could. I'm not special. I'm not deluded. Your making things up and your really just a sad person. You wish for me to suffer. OK. Yeah, I'm deluded. What is wrong with you? Please get some help. Critique yourself rather than fictional characters. Or don't. lmao are you arguing on an anime forum? what a loser dude |
Surofair said: Your making things up *you’re Surofair said: and your *you’re *to |
| He is just a bad one deminsional character whose so called "development" lasts as long as his sudden high IQ short moments that makes no sense for a retard like him. He is also so annoying and unbearable and somehow I am supposed to sympathize with this piece of shit?! Yeah tough luck. Combine that with how his lust for emilia makes no sense and you get a contendar for the worst MC ever created! |
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Number1 said: Right? It’ll be interesting to see where the story goes from here there is no reason to not to like him as of the second season. He is doing his best to save everyone and that shows he is a compassionate and fine person. In the future i wonder what is he gonna do? Since he moved a bit forward and gained more grip on the events unfolding aroun him, i wonder if there are going to be some severe disagreements? this migh put him on a different path i guess. |
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