Re:Zero - Why do YOU dislike/hate Subaru?

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"Subaru = generic."

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Jun 12, 2019 9:14 AM

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Apologies in advance as I feel this post is gonna turn into a bit of a rant.
Let me start by saying I have not read the manga on this and am going purely based on the first season of the anime (well that and isekai quartet, but that doesn't really do anything in terms of fleshing the character out).

As for the character himself, I quite liked him. I will state, however, that a good portion of that comes from what is revealed about him in the last few episodes of the season: namely, the fact that he (might be) Pride. This puts him in a surprisingly broad category of anime characters who are personifications of the seven deadly sins. Off hand, I can think of three other prides I shall list here-

Finally, with regards to the whole rem/emilia controversy, I find that whole thing rather silly now that I have seen the show. In the episode in question where he tells her he loves emilia after she tells him she loves him, everyone seems to forget to mention that not but two minutes before that he literally asked rem to run away with him and she turned him down. I find this especially funny as the characters bring this fact up immediately after rem confronts him on saying he loves Emilia and the two laugh about it. Like I am all for unreasonable shipping, but in the case of Rembaru she burnt that boat down herself.

Dec 17, 2019 9:19 AM

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I don't mind Subaru for being weak or useless, but his sense of self entitlement goes way to far. He could do with the slightest hint of humility or self-awareness.
The worst for me is that almost all his problems are self-inflicted.

Also he is selfcontradictory beyond belief, both his character and the way he was written.
His issues and failure to understand what was going on at the beginning were fine, when he struggled at the mansion and finally manned up to fight the doggo's it seemed like he had learned to deal with the situation. Only to revert to a terrible piece of shit immediately after, by believing himself to be special. He is kirito but somehow less likeable.

Dec 17, 2019 10:47 AM

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There's an only reason: he's so damn annoying, I can't like him xD

Dec 24, 2019 1:08 PM

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Myrkkya_Shura said:
I don't mind Subaru for being weak or useless, but his sense of self entitlement goes way to far. He could do with the slightest hint of humility or self-awareness.
The worst for me is that almost all his problems are self-inflicted.

Also he is selfcontradictory beyond belief, both his character and the way he was written.
His issues and failure to understand what was going on at the beginning were fine, when he struggled at the mansion and finally manned up to fight the doggo's it seemed like he had learned to deal with the situation. Only to revert to a terrible piece of shit immediately after, by believing himself to be special. He is kirito but somehow less likeable.

wasnt because of his ability to deal with that situation where he overcame it in the way he wanted and was able to win over all the people he liked what made him feel special, him believing that he was special wasn't an issue that was addressed in the first arc, it was the main issue in the second arc, and a big difference between the two was that he had to deal with people whom on first meeting he disliked

Dec 24, 2019 1:09 PM

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I disliked him at the beginning because the author kept using him to masturbate about how clever he is for lampshading isekai cliches and subverting them, then I started disliking him again at the middle of the show when he started to rant like a psycho.

But overall, I didn't really like or hate him as I found him pretty dull throughout and somewhat generic, like all the other characters.

Neutral.

your entire description of your experience with him doesn't sound generic at all.

Dec 29, 2019 2:05 AM

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He just a fcking useless character in Re:zero and not grateful at rem save him before he die n everything is restart...he reject rem because he love Emilia how about Rem???

Jan 1, 2020 3:35 PM

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Subaru is a fantastic character. I'm not going to go into the Emilia/Rem debate, I think they are both great characters and that doesn't matter.

Subaru has plenty of flaws, but he recognises them. That, for a start, makes him better than most MCs that you see in anime. He has personality and is not just willing to accept his weaknesses but he doesn't ignore them. He does whine a bit, but who wouldn't in his situation?

We shouldn't forget that he's died many times and has seen all the characters in plenty of different scenarios, some of them have even 'killed' him. That is bound to mess with someone's head.

But he tries to stay honest and loyal to his comrades. I think he's great. I hate these lame, dense main characters that we see all the time and I like that fact that he is trying to struggle with all he has, basically his wits, in a world where he is overpowered by almost everyone. He's loyal, brave and has a usually positive personality, don't understand why people don't like him. He's up there with the best MCs for me.

Jan 1, 2020 4:36 PM

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KreatorX said:
I love that character. He is well written when compared to many fantasy anime protagonists. We are expected to dislike him and the author pretty much makes it a point that Subaru is his own person and especially not someone who can easily self-insert in him. He will take actions that will not always go with the audience's wishes.

Subaru has a huge set of insecurities and emotional baggage with him, primarily due to him being a NEET/hikkikomori. His erratic behaviour is further bolstered by the fact that he simply doesn't know how to behave around people. He went on treating this new world as if it was a game-world where NPCs have predefined personalities and he is the hero of the game where everyone just listens to him. It's not very often we see characters where the author systematically breaks him down (although the author did this by a roundabout way of torturing the guy to mental breakdown, like it or hate it). Personally, I thought it was a great way of shattering that 'nice-guy' complex Subaru suffers from.

Underlying message behind his character growth, 'if you were shit in the previous life, you are going to remain like shit in your new life. To break out of the mold, grow up and change'. The infamous episode 18 is just about that. It's a psychological anime for a reason, so it's kind of expected to try to understand the characters and their behaviours to make sense of things.

It's a damn shame that the characters in the anime are unfortunately, or rather the entire anime, was seen through the spotlight of waifu-tards when it wasn't even about that.

It's pretty obvious that plenty of people misunderstood the point of episode 18 but hey, whatever floats their boat. Waifu-goggles are the new fad. The anime does more of show instead of tell, which is what likely caused misunderstandings.

Yes, this is spot on for me. People hate him for who he chooses. I must admit, I would have liked him to choose Rem, and that could still happen, i think. But, considering his background and the circumstances he finds himself in, he is an incredible character. Brave, loyal, stupid, for sure, but he knows more than anyone else about what is happening, having died so many times. He's still trying to learn and it is not surprising that he loses heart and is selfish, considering that he has died so many times.

The part when Emilia lets him rest on her lap, that shows how hard he is trying and struggling against something he doesn't totally understand. But he is doing his best, knowing that he is powerless and all he has are memories that no one else has. Emilia, of all the characters, does her best to understand that there is something that he can't say that is going on and that makes her a great character as well. Beatrice seems to notice that he doesn't seem to fear death also, and it seems to make her respect him just a tiny bit bit, even if she doesn't want to show it. So I don't accept the argument that Beatrice or Rem saved him more, because Emilia saved him in that episode without him dying. She saved his sanity. And when she tells Rem that he is a good person she probably removed a lot of the suspicion that was hanging over him.

I hope that, at some point near the end, the main characters will realise what he has gone through and acknowledge him for it. People calling him a whiner and stupid, etc, etc, how could anyone deal with this set of circumstances. He's braver than any one of the celebrated knights, going through this, time and again, and still managing to try to move forward. He actually is a real hero, when you see what he has seen and what he gone through. It was totally understandable that, for a minute, he thought about going quietly and giving up on trying to fix things or help out. Rem talked him out of that and gave him the strength to continue and try to the right thing. They are all great characters but, for me, he is the best. A real hero, who has weaknesses, like everyone, but pushes on regardless. I've heard comments that he doesn't love Rem and was just suing her in episode 18 as 'second best', he does love her, he sacrificed himself to bring her back a couple of times. The episode when he jumps off the cliff, he proves that he already loves all of them. People seem to judge his actions without considering the circumstances that he is in.

The Red ogre and Blue ogre story that he tells to Ram foreshadows a lot of what is happening also. He's not totally clueless. Due to the waifu wars, male characters tend to be often underrated or judged in context of the girl that they choose. This tale isn't even over yet but people are still losing it over whether he will choose Emilia or Rem. I don't think that is the point at all.

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Mar 4, 2020 4:39 PM

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he is fuckin annoying compared to other isekai protags and thats about it

Mar 24, 2020 1:51 AM

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UrbanSpaceman said:
I don't care about Rem and that little love triangle but I find Subaru extremely annoying because of his stupidity. Seriously he's the only character of anime, who manages to become a little dumber with every new episode.

lol even Subaru said that people can't ignore him because he is annoying. He said that during the battle against white whale

Mar 24, 2020 1:53 AM

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sadraccoon said:
he is fuckin annoying compared to other isekai protags and thats about it

even Subaru said that people cant ignore him because he is annoying. xD he said that during the battle against white whale

Mar 24, 2020 9:37 AM

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I finally just watched Re: Zero for the first time, as a result of seeing fanart of Rem everywhere and realizing there was a long awaited second season coming out. However, this show was difficult to finish because of Subaru. He is honestly a blubbering numskull, who's jokes never quite hit the punch line. It got on my nerves that he was so wimpy, yet pompous. Subaru at least became a little redeeming near the end of the series, after the highly celebrated conversation between him and Rem (you know the one). Therefore, I can't say I loath him entirely, but simply dislike him.

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Mar 24, 2020 6:17 PM

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sadraccoon said:
he is fuckin annoying compared to other isekai protags and thats about it

He’s just not bland like other isekai protags lmfao

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Mar 25, 2020 4:31 AM

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Atroc said:

sadraccoon said:
he is fuckin annoying compared to other isekai protags and thats about it

He’s just not bland like other isekai protags lmfao

Highly agree...despide the fact that many of here hate his attitude shows how full of personality he is. Everyone needs to remember that having a problematic attitude doesn't result in a bad character creation and its exactly the opposite.

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Mar 28, 2020 6:07 PM

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Emillian said:

Atroc said:

He’s just not bland like other isekai protags lmfao

Highly agree...despide the fact that many of here hate his attitude shows how full of personality he is. Everyone needs to remember that having a problematic attitude doesn't result in a bad character creation and its exactly the opposite.

Especially since one of the major points of season 1 was identifying his problematic attitude, making him realize it through catharsis and grow. He was just some entitled kid at the start rather than a proper protag.

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May 9, 2020 2:36 PM

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I hate him people say that's his a normal character and that everything his done is driving by all his suffering and deaths but that's not it all his stupidy,annoyances,his out of nowhere iq increases,his selfishness to other characters and his obsession when it come to emelia those are all things his had before going to another world his a horrible character that has nothing to like but many to hate if he had really suffered anything from return by death he'd be mentally unstable the thought of rem would give him a heart attack but it doesn't he's never been affected his just truly horrible and that's why I hate him

May 10, 2020 3:58 AM

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I guess most people only hate him because he rejected rem.. even though rem was the one who rejected his proposal in the first place lmao..

May 10, 2020 8:36 AM

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darlinglily said:
I guess most people only hate him because he rejected rem.. even though rem was the one who rejected his proposal in the first place lmao..

Another man/woman who actually uses their brain. Thank god ^-^

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May 10, 2020 1:22 PM

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This was my last series to watch before getting into Isekai Quartet. I just finished Episode 15 and I dropped it. Didn't imagine seeing myself dropping a series this far into the season and this is the first time I've done it. It was because of Subaru. I understand that whatever he went through traumatized the hell out of him but I simply just didn't enjoy watching him sob for 3 episodes straight. I just felt like the writer could've written something else besides just having him sob endlessly.

Jun 23, 2020 10:38 PM

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I don't hate Emilia or Rem or Subaru, but I think people hate Subaru as a character because he rejected a girl who understands him the most, poke fun of people saving him and thinks of it as lower than Emilia's love. As Orihime from Bleach goes "Kurosaki-kun, Kurosaki-kun", he goes "Emilia-tan, Emilia-tan" as his only sole purpose of being a character. He thinks directly instead of thinking

Jun 23, 2020 10:41 PM

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Emillian said:

darlinglily said:
I guess most people only hate him because he rejected rem.. even though rem was the one who rejected his proposal in the first place lmao..

Another man/woman who actually uses their brain. Thank god ^-^

I don't remember Rem saying she rejected him. I remember her attacking him because she thought he was a bad guy because he smells of the Witch of Envy.

Jun 23, 2020 10:50 PM

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Carrotsandcucumb said:

Emillian said:

Another man/woman who actually uses their brain. Thank god ^-^

I don't remember Rem saying she rejected him. I remember her attacking him because she thought he was a bad guy because he smells of the Witch of Envy.

The 'rem was the one who rejected his proposal in the first place' refers to Rem turning down Subaru when he asked her to run away with him to a far off place and live together.

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Jun 26, 2020 11:51 AM

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Emillian said:
Highly agree...despide the fact that many of here hate his attitude shows how full of personality he is. Everyone needs to remember that having a problematic attitude doesn't result in a bad character creation and its exactly the opposite.

Characters can be full of personality and still be annoying but then again, I didn't find Subaru to be a character full of personality either, I just found him like an annoying brat most of the time because he screams a lot when he talks and I just can't stand screaming characters trying to be funny, this is simply forced comedy they are shoving down in our throats which I find quite cringie, if you need screaming characters to deliver some comedy then something went wrong with the delivery IMHO, I don't understand how people can like characters like that.

Sure, Subaru had some great moments but he also had extremely annoying moments as well.

Jun 26, 2020 12:33 PM

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Resus-2 said:

Emillian said:
Highly agree...despide the fact that many of here hate his attitude shows how full of personality he is. Everyone needs to remember that having a problematic attitude doesn't result in a bad character creation and its exactly the opposite.

Characters can be full of personality and still be annoying but then again, I didn't find Subaru to be a character full of personality either, I just found him like an annoying brat most of the time because he screams a lot when he talks and I just can't stand screaming characters trying to be funny, this is simply forced comedy they are shoving down in our throats which I find quite cringie, if you need screaming characters to deliver some comedy then something went wrong with the delivery IMHO, I don't understand how people can like characters like that.

Sure, Subaru had some great moments but he also had extremely annoying moments as well.

I HATE screaming characters in general but i didn't wanted Subaru to make jokes and even succeed in making them. He is supposed to be a loser in every category not only in his attempts to do something right but also in his atrocious sense of humor, that why i love him. He tries but fails and tries again till he succeeds... and really now who expected from him to make jokes or be funny lol? There are others that are filling up that place (more elaborated in second season...the only funny moments in the first season were situational events not any kind of jokes said by any of the characters). Also HE IS an annoying brat, he is 17->18 years old district punk that tries to impress others but fails because hey this is not YOUR adventure mate, not only u matter here and that's what he understands at the beginning of the second season. (in light novels and manga he is even more thug ish and doucebag ish but in the anime they made him more agreeable that he was initially created...you would be surprised )
PS: Not all personalities need to be "good" personalities to be truly GOOD if u understand what i'm trying to say ;)

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Jun 26, 2020 12:52 PM

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Emillian said:
I HATE screaming characters in general but i didn't wanted Subaru to make jokes and even succeed in making them. He is supposed to be a loser in every category not only in his attempts to do something right but also in his atrocious sense of humor, that why i love him. He tries but fails and tries again till he succeeds... and really now who expected from him to make jokes or be funny lol? There are others that are filling up that place (more elaborated in second season...the only funny moments in the first season were situational events not any kind of jokes said by any of the characters). Also HE IS an annoying brat, he is 17->18 years old district punk that tries to impress others but fails because hey this is not YOUR adventure mate, not only u matter here and that's what he understands at the beginning of the second season. (in light novels and manga he is even more thug ish and doucebag ish but in the anime they made him more agreeable that he was initially created...you would be surprised )

Yeah, Subaru is indeed supposed to be a loser in every category even in the comedy but the author could create a character like that without the character being extremely annoying like Subaru, he's simply obnoxious and if that's the way the author wanted to create him then congratulations, you succeeded but unfortunately many people will hate him because of that and plenty of people even dropped the anime because of it so this is actually counter-productive IMHO.

Personally I found Subaru to be annoying in the beginning and in the middle he got even worse and a lot cringier, it's only in the last couple of episodes were I started to find him acceptable because he was screaming less and was being more "heroic", I really hope the 2nd season has Subaru acting like the last couple of episodes from the 1st season.

Emillian said:

PS: Not all personalities need to be "good" personalities to be truly GOOD if u understand what i'm trying to say ;)

Fair enough but this can also be achieved with a less annoying character.

Jun 26, 2020 1:01 PM

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Resus-2 said:

Emillian said:
Highly agree...despide the fact that many of here hate his attitude shows how full of personality he is. Everyone needs to remember that having a problematic attitude doesn't result in a bad character creation and its exactly the opposite.

Characters can be full of personality and still be annoying but then again, I didn't find Subaru to be a character full of personality either, I just found him like an annoying brat most of the time because he screams a lot when he talks and I just can't stand screaming characters trying to be funny, this is simply forced comedy they are shoving down in our throats which I find quite cringie, if you need screaming characters to deliver some comedy then something went wrong with the delivery IMHO, I don't understand how people can like characters like that.

Sure, Subaru had some great moments but he also had extremely annoying moments as well.

I could not tell if you are agreeing or disagreeing whether Subaru is 'full of personality' here. Personality is the character-specific way of behaving, thinking and feeling. It includes behavioural traits that are either inborn or acquired. A character's personality can be observed in person-to-person interactions.

You pointed out that he is annoying but because he screams a lot when he talks. Are you referring to his excited way of talking about things? His general excitement stems due to his longing for an isekai-fantasy experience, otherwise his eager acceptance of being whisked into a new world would be rather out of place. Unless I am mistaken, the show isn't comedy in the first place and is therefore a poor recommendation for people looking to watch some comedy.

People such as myself don't go around liking him because he is apparently someone who screams to deliver comedy. It isn't what we watch Re:zero for. People enjoy his character because of the very problematic personality he has (akin to opening a can of worms) and how he makes an effort to grow beyond such flaws. It's good material for long-term character development. It is what was meant by 'full of personality'.

1) He starts off with an entitled attitude that this isekai experience will just go like the anime/manga/games he has been consuming. He wants to be the 'chosen one' of the story without having made any effort to reach that status. It goes without saying that this 'chosen-one' has to have a chosen heroine in his eyes. He referred to himself the 'game master' and 'flag crusher' initially; he is the definition of an otaku craving for an isekai experience of his own.

2) Despite his good intentions, he makes it rather obvious to the viewer that Emilia is his 'prize' girl. In most of the interactions, he puts her on a pedestal and treats her as an object of desire. For example- He frequently makes cute but half-assed attempts in dropping hints to Emilia that he has a big crush on her: "Tsuki ga kirei (The moon is beautiful)", is a famous wordplay in Japanese literature since it sounds similar to "I love you" in Japanese. Emilia doesn't take the hints because she has zero knowledge about such things.

3) His refusal to accept Julius kissing Emilia's hand as a greeting spiraled his jealousy out of control. Ergo, he considers Emilia as his own girl without even getting to know her full character better. Entitlement 101.

4) Despite his concern for Emilia's safety, he doesn't acknowledge his mistake of making a fool out of himself since he was beaten up by Julius. He has too much pride in being Emilia's 'knight'.

5) After his falling out with Emilia, he gets into this mindset everything will go his way as long as he can get second chances. The show then browbeats him with a series of tragic mishaps soon after that.

6) His argument with Emilia summarizes all of the above points well. However, the plot device of Satella prevents him from speaking about his condition, thereby serving to foil any easy way out for him. Thus, he has to acknowledge his pitfalls before fixing his plan of action and attitude. There is no room for a person's growth if they cannot acknowledge where and why they went wrong, which is a running theme that the series likes to emphasize on.

7) He eventually takes his beginner steps to remedy his personality.

There is a lot more to analyze about him but it should be easy to see that there's plenty related to his personality that can be explored. He cannot become a hero if points 1 to 6 never changed. Thankfully, Subaru's character grows over time. Future seasons will offer more backdrop regarding his character, he will make mistakes before eventually ironing them out. Sure, one can like or dislike the character based on all the above points concerning Subaru too (which is what this thread was intended to discuss). Plenty of people dislike him because of his whole personality and frustrating behaviour as well. :)

However, it feels highly disingenuous if we were to think that we simply like him just because he screams jokes down our throats. xD

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Jun 26, 2020 1:28 PM

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KreatorX said:
I could not tell if you are agreeing or disagreeing whether Subaru is 'full of personality' here. Personality is the character-specific way of behaving, thinking and feeling. It includes behavioural traits that are either inborn or acquired. A character's personality can be observed in person-to-person interactions.

You pointed out that he is annoying but because he screams a lot when he talks. Are you referring to his excited way of talking about things? His general excitement stems due to his longing for an isekai-fantasy experience, otherwise his eager acceptance of being whisked into a new world would be rather out of place. Unless I am mistaken, the show isn't comedy in the first place and is therefore a poor recommendation for people looking to watch some comedy.

People such as myself don't go around liking him because he is apparently someone who screams to deliver comedy. It isn't what we watch Re:zero for. People enjoy his character because of the very problematic personality he has (akin to opening a can of worms) and how he makes an effort to grow beyond such flaws. It's good material for long-term character development. It is what was meant by 'full of personality'.

1) He starts off with an entitled attitude that this isekai experience will just go like the anime/manga/games he has been consuming. He wants to be the 'chosen one' of the story without having made any effort to reach that status. It goes without saying that this 'chosen-one' has to have a chosen heroine in his eyes. He referred to himself the 'game master' and 'flag crusher' initially; he is the definition of an otaku craving for an isekai experience of his own.

2) Despite his good intentions, he makes it rather obvious to the viewer that Emilia is his 'prize' girl. In most of the interactions, he puts her on a pedestal and treats her as an object of desire. For example- He frequently makes cute but half-assed attempts in dropping hints to Emilia that he has a big crush on her: "Tsuki ga kirei (The moon is beautiful)", is a famous wordplay in Japanese literature since it sounds similar to "I love you" in Japanese. Emilia doesn't take the hints because she has zero knowledge about such things.

3) His refusal to accept Julius kissing Emilia's hand as a greeting spiraled his jealousy out of control. Ergo, he considers Emilia as his own girl without even getting to know her full character better. Entitlement 101.

4) Despite his concern for Emilia's safety, he doesn't acknowledge his mistake of making a fool out of himself since he was beaten up by Julius. He has too much pride in being Emilia's 'knight'.

5) After his falling out with Emilia, he gets into this mindset everything will go his way as long as he can get second chances. The show then browbeats him with a series of tragic mishaps soon after that.

6) His argument with Emilia summarizes all of the above points well. However, the plot device of Satella prevents him from speaking about his condition, thereby serving to foil any easy way out for him. Thus, he has to acknowledge his pitfalls before fixing his plan of action and attitude. There is no room for a person's growth if they cannot acknowledge where and why they went wrong, which is a running theme that the series likes to emphasize on.

7) He eventually takes his beginner steps to remedy his personality.

There is a lot more to analyze about him but it should be easy to see that there's plenty related to his personality that can be explored. He cannot become a hero if points 1 to 6 never changed. Thankfully, Subaru's character grows over time. Future seasons will offer more backdrop regarding his character. Sure, one can like or dislike the character based on all the above points concerning Subaru too (which is what this thread was intended to discuss). Plenty of people dislike him because of his whole personality and frustrating behaviour too. :)

However, it feels highly disingenuous if we were to think that we simply like him just because he screams jokes down our throats. xD

People have their reasons to hate on Subaru, my reasons is because he's an over-the-top character who screams a lot when he talks which I find annoying, even in the normal conversations he's mostly screaming and trying to be funny and this is a poor attempt at "comedy", I know this anime isn't about comedy but it has comedy in it and most of the time Subaru is the one trying to deliver the comedy by screaming so Subaru already had a bad start for people like me, he's a flawed character sure but I would be OK with him if he screamed less. BTW I didn't watched this anime expecting comedy in it but unfortunately it had comedy and Subaru made those comedy even worse, not all of the comedy with Subaru was bad though, I actually liked and laughed in a few scenes with him but most of the time I was just cringing and eye-rolling with his bad comedy.

I know that Subaru is a flawed character but that flawed character got even worse in the middle because he was being even more annoying and cringier, I was cool with him in the last couple of episodes though.

You made some great points about his character but then again, a character can have those same great points you made without being annoying.

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Emillian said:
I HATE screaming characters in general but i didn't wanted Subaru to make jokes and even succeed in making them. He is supposed to be a loser in every category not only in his attempts to do something right but also in his atrocious sense of humor, that why i love him. He tries but fails and tries again till he succeeds... and really now who expected from him to make jokes or be funny lol? There are others that are filling up that place (more elaborated in second season...the only funny moments in the first season were situational events not any kind of jokes said by any of the characters). Also HE IS an annoying brat, he is 17->18 years old district punk that tries to impress others but fails because hey this is not YOUR adventure mate, not only u matter here and that's what he understands at the beginning of the second season. (in light novels and manga he is even more thug ish and doucebag ish but in the anime they made him more agreeable that he was initially created...you would be surprised )

Yeah, Subaru is indeed supposed to be a loser in every category even in the comedy but the author could create a character like that without the character being extremely annoying like Subaru, he's simply obnoxious and if that's the way the author wanted to create him then congratulations, you succeeded but unfortunately many people will hate him because of that and plenty of people even dropped the anime because of it so this is actually counter-productive IMHO.

Personally I found Subaru to be annoying in the beginning and in the middle he got even worse and a lot cringier, it's only in the last couple of episodes were I started to find him acceptable because he was screaming less and was being more "heroic", I really hope the 2nd season has Subaru acting like the last couple of episodes from the 1st season.

Emillian said:

PS: Not all personalities need to be "good" personalities to be truly GOOD if u understand what i'm trying to say ;)

Fair enough but this can also be achieved with a less annoying character.

"Author could have done...." that's not our decision, he is the creator, he creates them how he wants and we can't judge the way he felt when he created them...we can only judge his ability to develop them and their story to the point it has a conclusion....he created him like that because is a kind of personality that wasn't addressed till now (even tho these kind of guys exist and where i am there are many of them) and he took the risk when he did that and now because of that there are people who love him for who he is (myself included) and there are people who hate him for numerous factors (being annoying, rejecting SOMEONE in particular, his decisions, etc). We can't expect to always get "perfect characters" or copies after amazing characters in the past. Personally i want REAL human behavior, real feelings, real attitude and real personality even tho it might come annoying, distressing or other kinds of these stuff even tho they are sometimes exaggerated but is understandable and i wanna FEEL them when they are in a good/bad situation. That's about it...he will evolve in the future and maybe some guys who hate him now will find him more acceptable but only time (or LN readers) will tell if this is gonna be true or not.

Ushiromiya Battler, right now, on this island, no one exists except for you. You're the only one alive in this island. However I'm here right now, and i'm about to kill you. Who... am I?

Jun 26, 2020 1:52 PM

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Emillian said:
That's about it...he will evolve in the future and maybe some guys who hate him now will find him more acceptable but only time (or LN readers) will tell if this is gonna be true or not.

I assume that you have not read the WN or LN, but yes, he evolves. However, it is more like how people are prone to making the same mistakes frequently before eventually getting it out of their system (like how it is in real life...as a small example: we tell ourselves not to waste time in completing a task, but we literally end up wasting precious time every now and then in doing so). This is not a guarantee on whether people will start liking Subaru though.

With this, I can probably foresee a similar thread which goes "Why do YOU dislike/like Emilia" sometime in the future, because she is another breed of peculiar herself (not on the level of Subaru, but still. lol). Her character just happens to work well with Subaru's.

KreatorXJun 26, 2020 1:56 PM

Truly a Divine Comedy

Jun 26, 2020 1:54 PM

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Emillian said:
"Author could have done...." that's not our decision, he is the creator, he creates them how he wants and we can't judge the way he felt when he created them...we can only judge his ability to develop them and their story to the point it has a conclusion....he created him like that because is a kind of personality that wasn't addressed till now (even tho these kind of guys exist and where i am there are many of them) and he took the risk when he did that and now because of that there are people who love him for who he is (myself included) and there are people who hate him for numerous factors (being annoying, rejecting SOMEONE in particular, his decisions, etc). We can't expect to always get "perfect characters" or copies after amazing characters in the past. Personally i want REAL human behavior, real feelings, real attitude and real personality even tho it might come annoying, distressing or other kinds of these stuff even tho they are sometimes exaggerated but is understandable and i wanna FEEL them when they are in a good/bad situation. That's about it...he will evolve in the future and maybe some guys who hate him now will find him more acceptable but only time (or LN readers) will tell if this is gonna be true or not.

True but we can judge the flawed character though, if he made him annoying on purpose then he succeeded but now people will dislike the character. Does Subaru gets better later? he sure does, he indeed got better and likable for me in the last couple of episodes and I hope it stays that way because if the 2nd season has Subaru acting as annoying like he acted in the 1st season then nothing really changed with that character, he's still the same annoying character that people disliked and sure, it will have people (like you) that liked him but he will still be disliked by plenty of people.

Jun 26, 2020 2:04 PM

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Resus-2 said:

Emillian said:
"Author could have done...." that's not our decision, he is the creator, he creates them how he wants and we can't judge the way he felt when he created them...we can only judge his ability to develop them and their story to the point it has a conclusion....he created him like that because is a kind of personality that wasn't addressed till now (even tho these kind of guys exist and where i am there are many of them) and he took the risk when he did that and now because of that there are people who love him for who he is (myself included) and there are people who hate him for numerous factors (being annoying, rejecting SOMEONE in particular, his decisions, etc). We can't expect to always get "perfect characters" or copies after amazing characters in the past. Personally i want REAL human behavior, real feelings, real attitude and real personality even tho it might come annoying, distressing or other kinds of these stuff even tho they are sometimes exaggerated but is understandable and i wanna FEEL them when they are in a good/bad situation. That's about it...he will evolve in the future and maybe some guys who hate him now will find him more acceptable but only time (or LN readers) will tell if this is gonna be true or not.

True but we can judge the flawed character though, if he made him annoying on purpose then he succeeded but now people will dislike the character. Does Subaru gets better later? he sure does, he indeed got better and likable for me in the last couple of episodes and I hope it stays that way because if the 2nd season has Subaru acting as annoying like he acted in the 1st season then nothing really changed with that character, he's still the same annoying character that people disliked and sure, it will have people (like you) that liked him but he will still be disliked by plenty of people.

He will remain (i think) mostly like we saw him in the final episodes (but also evolve very much when he will receive his development part)....the things got very serious and he doesn't have time to f**k around anymore....this is where Re:Zero "truly begins", welcome to Arc 4, the Everlasting Contract ^_^

EmillianJun 26, 2020 2:09 PM

Ushiromiya Battler, right now, on this island, no one exists except for you. You're the only one alive in this island. However I'm here right now, and i'm about to kill you. Who... am I?

Jun 26, 2020 2:21 PM

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