Twilight only gets put up against Harry Potter because of the phenomenon generated by the release of the films. They both got overexposed after the films were released.
I'm definately going with Harry Potter on this one though.
It is a story aimed at children but fun for all ages and is relatively well written, with some interesting characters. JK Rowling, though not a brilliant writer, has enough skill to not use the same old cliched descriptions, and doesn't obviously resort to a thesaurus to come up with synonyms for her descriptions, like Meyer appears to.
JK worked for years on her series, laying out plot and twists, developing characters, and going through the trial and error process of applying to publishing companies. When she found fame, she didn't let it go to her head (much).
Though JK played around with aspects of the fantasy genre, she kept most things consistant to popular belief, and generated a believable world for her characters to live in. She successfully blended fantasy, mystery, action, romance and comedy. Her villains were actually decent villians with lots of character development.
As much as I prefer vampires to wizards, there is no getting around the fact that in every way, Harry Potter is a better book.
Twilight is aimed at teenage girls (between 13-16) but appeals to some younger girls and some older girls, and even some women. It is an attempt at romance (though it fails in some respects confusing stalking and abuse for obsessive "true love")
Her characters are often 2D, and under-developed, with the exception being Jacob, who in the end suffers from being on the wrong side of the love-triangle. Meyer seems to realised half way through that Jacob has more development and is a better overall character than her 'perfect' Edward and for the sake of her OTP she makes Jacob do a 180 and become a bastard. Then a paedophile.
Meyer has good ideas in her story (Vampires having an ancient government in the Volturi, for example) but her execution of them is not so good. The "romance" between Edward and Bella swallows up everything else, so even the promise of a good battle between 'good' vamps and 'bad' vamps falls flat on its face. She avoids conflict like that in favour of more corney romance dialogue between her love-triangle.
She seems to have a lot of plot-holes. A major one is found in the last book.
She says vampires cannot have children all of their bodily fluids have become venom, (and also their bodies do not change so gestation is impossible in female vamps). Yet in Breaking Dawn, Edward (a vampire) is not only able to 'get it up' to have sex with human Bella (without blood), but make a demon-spawn baby with her. It makes no sense, and is never explained.
It is like really bad fanfiction towards the end.
Meyer herself now believes herself to be a brilliant writer, and appears very arrogant. She really is like a fanfiction author.
She took a load of ideas from other vampire novels (mind-reading, child vampires etc from Anne Rice, 'shapeshifter' love interest from the Sookie Stackhouse books..) The only original thing seems to be the sparkly vampires, and the general opinion of that is it is a really bad idea.
She creates her main characters out of a dream she had, then proceeds to make main female character an author insert and main lead a Gary-Stu who is constantly referred to with various descriptions of being hot. Bella-sue gets the attention of every guy in her dreary home-town and is the only one able to deduce hot-guy is a vampire.
Overall, though I enjoyed the books on first reading, I noticed so much wrong with them that I have grown to dislike them.
They are fine as a guilty pleasure that you don't think too much about. But I hate people calling it the best book ever written - because it isn't. It is really, really bad.
And I do wish teenage girls would quit wishing for a guy like Edward and saying Edward and Bella's relationship is romantic. It isn't.
Seriously, girls these days WANT a guy to stalk them, abuse them, belittle them, and trap them into marriage, then eventually kill them?! That is a romantic relationship? It is screwed up.
So yeah, Harry Potter tends to give a better message to its readers and is a much better book series. Not that it is the best book in the world, but it is far superior to the trashy Twilight series...
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I think a neither option would be good. The Harry Potter serious is growing old on me to a point where I just can't possibly enjoy it, even if I wanted too. I won't even bother with twilight.
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even though both of them are overrated harry potter does not include crappy effects like the ones in twilight and harry potter at least has a somewhat good plot unlike twilight is it fille dwith motha fu*kers who look like idiots that are pretending to act >.<
Some people were giving them out at a con I went to last year on Sunday. I ate one, and they tasted horrible. So we threw them at people that walked by us.
It's rather simple to me.. One Series has an author who can write a story, and do it well, and one has an author who can not (and who seemingly knows almost nothing about the subject matter or lore of vampires)- Thus for me its auto click 'Potter' I must agree with Stephen King on this one.
sirwence said: It's rather simple to me.. One Series has an author who can write a story, and do it well, and one has an author who can not (and who seemingly knows almost nothing about the subject matter or lore of vampires)- Thus for me its auto click 'Potter' I must agree with Stephen King on this one.
hey. "the host" was pretty cool. she can actually write, she just CHOSE to write a series of very shallow, uninteresting vampire novels. it's like when you start to expect certain stuff from an anime studio, only to be horribly dissapointed by their latest production (sup sienken no blacksmith?)
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She thought out in Breaking Dawn that females wouldn't be able to be pregnant. Good, but one thing she didn't notice. How could Edward get a boner?
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sirwence said: It's rather simple to me.. One Series has an author who can write a story, and do it well, and one has an author who can not (and who seemingly knows almost nothing about the subject matter or lore of vampires)- Thus for me its auto click 'Potter' I must agree with Stephen King on this one.
hey. "the host" was pretty cool. she can actually write, she just CHOSE to write a series of very shallow, uninteresting vampire novels. it's like when you start to expect certain stuff from an anime studio, only to be horribly dissapointed by their latest production (sup sienken no blacksmith?)
The Host had me bored to tears. It didn't get good until around page 400. And even then, I was sick of the characters. I was angry at myself for spending $20+ on that book.
Twilight is just a bad, pictureless shoujo manga. But if its a shoujo manga, it many times worse than those craps that made by Mayu Shinjou looks like masterpieces.
PS: I believe the person who voted Twilight just for lulz than anything else. Please don't take it seriously.
Twilight just kicked the bucket when it first came out. Vampires that sparkle instead of burn? Really? I'd rather puke my brains out than watch that pile. I'd rather have sex and I hate sex.
Kuromii said: Twilight = shit
Twilight fangirls = shit
Harry Potter = fantastic
Harry Potter fangirls = shit
Couldn't agree more. Although I do say that Harry Potter fans are less insane. Even Harry Potter fangirls don't post youtube videos of them screaming and crying when the new HP trailer comes out...
On another note I see that one person has voted for Twilight but no one in this thread has stated why. Interesting.
Twilight just fit some fantasm (being protected by some good looking guys and being treated like a princess. Also reverse harem ftw), which explains its popularity.
It's not a bad novel tho', it's just ain't great.
One starts of excellent and then becomes terrible trash, and the other starts off as trash but maintains its trajectory along the lines of terribleness, to hilarious effect.