pharali said: War_lothar said: The history of this anime is lacking, 90% is only the cool guy and they talk about how cool and awesome the cool guy is. The first ten minutes were promising i thought that it was about the pro gaming world, but apart from talking about how high the apm is, and some words about the gaming world, i don't think that it has a decent plot. I think that this anime is just a promo for the game glory which is the top tencent mobile game from china. I don't think that it is horrible, it is an average anime, but for sure that it hasn't a great history or characters. It is a little similar to lu's time which is a league of legends chinese anime but lu's time is more goofy and sometimes funny. It's ok, but if you are pnly going to watch it because it has a high rating, you are probably getting dissapointed, more if you don't even like esports. Well, actually there is no such mobile game or PC game called glory(荣耀) in China, and the top tencent mobile game （I guess you are talking about WangZheRongYao 王者荣耀）has nothing similar to glory or the king's avatar except the name. They are totally different projects, different IPs in China. Sometimes some Chinese also think they are related but actually they are not. The king's avatar is based on novel, and most of the skills and classes in glory are based on DNF, while WangZheRongYao 王者荣耀 is basically a mobile version LOL. The king's avatar does have one mobile game just released, but we all know it come out for money. Only a few people will try it, it is not gonna be top mobile game. Thank you for explaining it to me, I suppose that i was wrong :D . That's what happen when you talk about something that you don't know. I was talking about the king's of glory game which is a version mobile of LOL . Although it seems to me a promo for tencent yet. Anyway it doesn't matter for my point. i think that i expressed my opinion well about the anime, although my english is not really good. |
War_lotharJun 3, 2017 4:02 PM
| I haven't read the source novel, and this is my first ever Chinese anime (that I didn't drop within the first 30 seconds). That being said, I originally gave this anime a lower rating because purely in terms of character development and story...it IS extremely lacking. In no way is this a good story. But what it is, is a story about modern e-sports and a (limited) look into the lives of pro players, and that's something new. It helps that while the recycled scenes of the players actually playing in real life are really bad, the in-game battles are fluid and interesting. And yeah, the characters are mostly forgettable, but they're also all freaking cool. In the end, I raised my score of this show simply because I was looking forward to it every week, and that's pretty significant for someone like me who has the attention span of a goldfish. |
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boukendesho said: boukendesho said: I usually rate anime high to counter the haters and don't try to criticize anime as I know it's takes monumental effort to make, but I was certainly surprised that this anime is rated this high, since MAL seem to have a dislike for OP'd MC. The theory that the source material is a lot better and that it's the first Chinese anime that doesn't suck do make sense, as otherwise this adaptation is basically a weekly recycling of fighting animation scenes and pretty backgrounds. It does seem like there could be a story (it needs to learn from other sports anime), but perhaps I could only get it by reading the source material. Just read the first 9 chapters. Without a doubt that the novel gives so much more depth that this adaptation cannot stand alone and is a poor one. Dafuq why are you replying to yourself? Forgot to switch accounts? ;) |
boukendesho said: boukendesho said: I usually rate anime high to counter the haters and don't try to criticize anime as I know it's takes monumental effort to make, but I was certainly surprised that this anime is rated this high, since MAL seem to have a dislike for OP'd MC. The theory that the source material is a lot better and that it's the first Chinese anime that doesn't suck do make sense, as otherwise this adaptation is basically a weekly recycling of fighting animation scenes and pretty backgrounds. It does seem like there could be a story (it needs to learn from other sports anime), but perhaps I could only get it by reading the source material. Just read the first 9 chapters. Without a doubt that the novel gives so much more depth that this adaptation cannot stand alone and is a poor one. Man, I wish I could bring Pullman over, cause boy oh boy. Also, lol.  |
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| It has action, decent animation, cool mc, and appeals to gamers. I guess the fact it also isn't in highschool and deals with esports helps. |
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| I heard good things about this show, mostly that it looks nice, and that's true but that's where about it. It looks suburb, mostly. Everyone knows CGI is wonderful for objects and set pieces and this does that gorgeously; then you look at the bystanders. It's like they were ripped from a Chinese news reenactment. Character designs is more or less your typical shoujo-esque slender traits. Although it might be my eyes going back or screen dying but it looked like they skimmed on the line work here and there. My complaints about the quality of animation so far are more or less minor in comparison to everything else. It's got a lot of good ideas but the execution is in tatters. The whole eSports things, older gamer archetypes, and basic game knowledge are all solid but they seem clueless on how it should be presented. You know nothing about how the game works, everyone outside the main cast seems like it's their first week of gaming, and the lingo almost is throw around haphazardly (I could be wrong about that last one and it could just be due to how the Chinese gaming scene speaks). I've played MMO's and I gotta say ain't no one going on about APM when that's probably the least important aspect (again this is directly related to knowing nothing about how GLORY mechanics work) of playing an MMO. Turning the melodrama to eleven is a bit of a turn off especially when everyone looks like they belong in a fashion show but their crying over games. Story is self explanatory; what the fuck is happening and why isn't it moving faster? I'm on episode 3 and literally nothing has been explained, unveiled, or even progressed. It's just been him clearing dungeons (normally I might add), lazying around, and meeting more pretty girls. It looks beautiful but this isn't progress. It's just sidestepping from one set of problems, SAO, to another, this. If I may be so tact - same shit different asshole. |
LordLagannJun 5, 2017 4:17 AM
LordLagann said: It's got a lot of good ideas but the execution is in tatters. The whole eSports things, older gamer archetypes, and basic game knowledge are all solid but they seem clueless on how it should be presented. You know nothing about how the game works, everyone outside the main cast seems like it's their first week of gaming, and the lingo almost is throw around haphazardly (I could be wrong about that last one and it could just be due to how the Chinese gaming scene speaks). I've played MMO's and I gotta say ain't no one going on about APM when that's probably the least important aspect (again this is directly related to knowing nothing about how GLORY mechanics work) of playing an MMO. Turning the melodrama to eleven is a bit of a turn off especially when everyone looks like they belong in a fashion show but their crying over games. Resign thyself mate. With the sole exception of Log Horizon AFAIK, most videogame pros depicted onscreen is a variant of "Gotta go fast." |
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le_halfhand_easy said: Resign thyself mate. With the sole exception of Log Horizon AFAIK, most videogame pros depicted onscreen is a variant of "Gotta go fast." I get there's a suspension of disbelief and portion of exaggeration 100% but the moment they start talking about AMP as if it was a huge determining factor I just shrug and laugh confusedly. Makes me think whoever is behind the scenes hasn't even played video games and is just taking whatever they researched and stringing daisy chaining everything together. It's just surprising that not one show has understood defining game mechanics as pivotal to a story about gaming. LG was close, really fucking close, but I felt they went overboard in explaining and magnifying every niche mechanic. eplipswich said: Be patient; the story starts off slow, so it takes a while for it to pick up (actually, this story soon focuses more on PVP than PVE as the episodes go by, but gradually explains the gameplay mechanics, albeit not a lot). And I can assure you, this story has absolutely nothing to do with harem. I've watched up to the latest episode, and none of that harem thingy has happened at all. Novel readers can also vouch for that, but that's that. It's not SAO level terrible right now so I'll stick with it and I'm fine with slow start shows. I just gotta question whether that sorta pacing is necessary for a story about gaming. It's right for a melodrama sure but even there I gotta question whether a melodrama is the right direction for a show about eSports. Yeah, I'm only on episode 3 so who knows, maybe it does pay off. I'll just see where this goes for now. |
It's not about exaggeration of skill when it comes to any CD based game. There is an immediate APM cap when gameplay is mechanically structured around cool downs, dodges, and parrying. If anything I suspect they are operating under the myth that higher APM means better performance. Since right after he episode three where he states APM isn't everything you have the story go right back into glorying high APM players. Either everyone but the protagonist is retarded or the script is improvised. MMOs, action types or not, is not APM hungry genre. They are more in line with fighting games because of the memorization of timings, reactions, and skill management. Except in a fighting game the faster you move, react, and input button combos the more you can benefit. In an MMO you cannot play faster then your cool downs dictates so there is no point in a crazy high APM ceiling. The less to micromanage the less there is a need for high APM. Of course the crux of my argument is that so far they haven't unveils what is considered high APM in GLORY. I assume for an Action MMO the average would be around 150 for proficient to professional players. I don't imagine casual players would break 100. Still the amount of times APM has been brought up in a game about MMO's is strange. |
LordLagann said: I get there's a suspension of disbelief and portion of exaggeration 100% but the moment they start talking about AMP as if it was a huge determining factor I just shrug and laugh confusedly. Makes me think whoever is behind the scenes hasn't even played video games and is just taking whatever they researched and stringing daisy chaining everything together. It's just surprising that not one show has understood defining game mechanics as pivotal to a story about gaming. LG was close, really fucking close, but I felt they went overboard in explaining and magnifying every niche mechanic. Yeah, it can be bothersome if you are familiar with all of that, but to be fair, it's also crucial to the world-building component of Log Horizon. How much Mamare Touno can twist and expand on such mechanics to create a world of seemingly endless horizons is, for me, the most brilliant part of the show. |
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Naw, already caught up to episode 9 so I'll just stick it out. What I've seen I think the central problem is it's an Anime about eSports being treated as a Chinese Drama and like many others neither know how to present MMO's. Having said that this isn't terrible. The real life and in game transitions make sense even as dramatized as it is. Just wish there was a bit more polish and refinement in the story and presentation. Voice acting could use work as well. Not sure if its me but half the VA's either seem to be stoic in an attempt to appeal to the teenage demographic or they just have no clue what the lines their reading entails. As of now it's alright. I'd chalk it up to one of the more palatable MMO-esque Animes out there. |
le_halfhand_easy said: boukendesho said: Just read the first 9 chapters. Without a doubt that the novel gives so much more depth that this adaptation cannot stand alone and is a poor one. Man, I wish I could bring Pullman over, cause boy oh boy. Also, lol. Maybe you should. Lol. |
Zapredon said: I haven't watch this show yet, but this appear in my youtube recommendations. Now I wonder if I should watch this. That video had me hyped for this series, but like hype for any show, it can get viewers to raise their expectations too high, leading to disappointment. I'm only two episodes in, but while I see potential in the story's themes and the studio's talents, the show struggles in many departments. To call it a Chinese SAO clone is, at this time, giving the show too much credit. Nonetheless, I hope Chinese Animators can learn from this show's failures and start producing higher quality shows. |
Bozzzz said: KyuuJuuKyuu said: I guess it's a new idea, an eSports Anime, that come up recently. And some Gamers can relate to it. Not a gamer and I like it. It has one plus that few anime have: it doesn't have big plot holes, dumb as f characters, characters who's personality is tsundere (etc) or writing that makes you cringe. So it turns out all you need for a great anime is decent idea, ok writing and animation and then just to pay attention and not to screw anything up. It's surprising how rare this is. It doesn't have plot holes because the meager "plot" is irrelevant, the MC just plows through everything. There's quite a few dumb characters, like the blonde berserker guy. And what writing? The characters are bland and unidimensional. Having merit for lack of all the trashy weeb stuff is barely an accomplishment. It still has quite a few bad tropes. |
Raiga said: Personally I find this series to be a breath of fresh air. The last few years I've found myself practically avoiding 95% of the newly launched anime because just looking at the title image I can deduce what kind of content I can expect to find, and more often than not I'm not interested in fanservice(though there are ofc exceptions), recycled concepts and major plot points, nor harems or unecessary love drama, and most of the new series have at least one if not all of these elements. And while this one is somewhat predictable plot wise, does have noticeable animation copying and horribly obvious CG occasionally, the characters are loveable and they are so far from the trope-y characters I'm used to seeing everywhere else. They all possess a certain amount of subtlety and layers that I'm used to seeing in real people(though maybe that's just me projecting) and that I have been missing from the conventional anime scene where every emotion is implied and portrayed in an exaggerated fashion. I haven't had any problems with the voice acting actually. I feel they fit the characters well. The ones that are over the top voice them over the top, and everyone else are down to earth and sound like normal people, like you'd find on the street. Then again, I'm kind of used to Chinese TV dramas, but at the same time I'm not exactly proficient in Chinese either, so...eh*shrug* But mainly not having fanservice shoved in my face at every opportunity is a very very big plus in my book. Don't think I've registered a single boob window so far. :D ...I gotta admit though, I do have a thing for competent characters, so I'm probably rather biased about this series...I'm kind of sick and tired of 'start at the bottom as trash and slowly work my way up to the top' type main plots... And this... this is a perfect little microcosm of why I hate fanservice. It's making disappointingly mediocre shows look like Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu by comparison. |
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| I haven't finished it yet but i'm sure I won't rate it lower than 7. Art is good, þere is a lot of action, characters are actually realistic and I haven't seen anime involving real eSports before. They behave just like gamers should. Currently it's 8/10 for me. |
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| You know what, I have no idea why this show did so well. From a very objective standpoint, it's not a good show at all. And yet somehow, every episode was entertaining and I found myself looking forward to its release every week. Strange. |
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dc22 said: boukendesho said: Just read the first 9 chapters. Without a doubt that the novel gives so much more depth that this adaptation cannot stand alone and is a poor one. Dafuq why are you replying to yourself? Forgot to switch accounts? ;) I don't think you noticed, but that "read" is past tense lol |
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The Anime has hardly provided any information about the game at all and GLORY is far from anything like Destiny; which hardly was anything fresh or abnormal. I've also stated that it's an Action MMO which is already an existing genre that the game GLORY is taking inspiration from. APM itself is not a definitive factor in competition and is varies from game to game. There is however an APM cap where beyond that you get diminishing returns. Compared to the original SC2 is heavily restructured where you don't need crazy high APM to perform at higher levels. MMO's typically requires less by design and Action MMO's increase that number though having as much manual oversight as possible. It is still less than an RTS game like Starcraft by a wide margin and logically both the APM cap and effective APM use shrinks accordingly. Typically the smaller the scale the lower the APM ceiling. Now you have GLORY. Where the Anime doesn't explain a majority of the game's functions, show players fast clickity clickty but never as to what they are inputting (if anything), and keeps showing us highly advanced skill techniques but doesn't tell us what it does or how they did it. On top of that the show puts high APM players on a pedestals while failing to go in depth of the mentioned above. Lemme ask you how in the world do we connect high APM, skillful players, and GLORY if we are left in the dark of how this game is suppose to be played? Aside from how they present GLORY and it's mechanics it just looks like an advanced form of your typical Action MMO. Outside of launching your weapon in the air mid fight and some other fantastical feats of game design everything pretty much exist today. Z-shake is pretty much sidestepping with a mouse, manual blocking is a thing, locking on to targets is a thing, plenty of MMO's take into account weight and size, and Action MMO's typically implement a combo system in one form or another. You can't slip these things past an actual gamer whose been in the scene for years. If there are issues around the core concept, which is GLORY and the players who participate, those issues are bound to reverberate through the story. It's done pretty well to skirt around issues concerning the game using drama and action sequences but I still gotta mark it up for not properly fleshing out GLORY when it's suppose to be the focal point that the story revolves around. |
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