PentaFlare said: How comfortable do you feel with me, Grapefruit, DenjaX, Phraze, and yourself? if you make all of us town how does that help your PoE?logic340 said: Fair enough shit was hella crazy. No one is listening to me so I just sat back and watched until it was bed time. I have had a chance to catch up and have shared my thoughts thus far. I also answered your question about Phraze's possible alignment. I am fairly confident in how I feel about her. Yup. I read that and reread the post you were referring to in it. It definitely feels like a good mindset and I liked how they kept track of notable interactions for later if we get a scum flip. Leaning town for me. |
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PentaFlare said: Where are you going with this? I have some questions too since I don't know much about Power Roles and balance.Sonata said: Unvote. I'll not vote for anyone until DenjaX and Penta share their interactions, one of them has to be lying for sure. Plus, I'm way too confused atm. Wait a minute... Can you restate your results for me? N1 - You targeted Soren and only Denja/aa-dono visited Soren? And then. N2 - You targeted rosie and nobody visited them. This is for sure 100% correct? |
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logic340 said: PentaFlare said: How comfortable do you feel with me, Grapefruit, DenjaX, Phraze, and yourself? if you make all of us town how does that help your PoE?Yup. I read that and reread the post you were referring to in it. It definitely feels like a good mindset and I liked how they kept track of notable interactions for later if we get a scum flip. Leaning town for me. I'm confortable with everyone but Denja being out of a PoE pool. I'm not as confident with Phraze but I'll put them back in only later if something seems to not add up. Denja is concerning me because he seems to be role fishing me a lot to try and figure out what I know about him. It makes me think he is worried to claim is actual role and needs to come up with a fakeclaim that works with what I know. Why would he have visited Soren N1? |
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logic340 said: PentaFlare said: Where are you going with this? I have some questions too since I don't know much about Power Roles and balance.Wait a minute... Can you restate your results for me? N1 - You targeted Soren and only Denja/aa-dono visited Soren? And then. N2 - You targeted rosie and nobody visited them. This is for sure 100% correct? I just remembered something that makes these actions not add up at all. I want confirmation that this is what Sonata did and saw. |
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PentaFlare said: Sonata said: Unvote. I'll not vote for anyone until DenjaX and Penta share their interactions, one of them has to be lying for sure. Plus, I'm way too confused atm. Wait a minute... Can you restate your results for me? N1 - You targeted Soren and only Denja/aa-dono visited Soren? And then. N2 - You targeted rosie and nobody visited them. This is for sure 100% correct? Yes. |
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PentaFlare said: Based on the way I see things I don't know a role that DenjaX could have that would allow them to visit Soren unless they are scum. Unless there is a real reason he asked if you both could have the same role which I took as why he said you could be Scum!cop. I would like to know what you did with your night actions as they may help me figure out what your alignment is but I haven't really seen anything from you that makes me believe you covertly dropped hints as to what you found. Ref post #1583logic340 said: Where are you going with this? I have some questions too since I don't know much about Power Roles and balance. I just remembered something that makes these actions not add up at all. I want confirmation that this is what Sonata did and saw. |
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| Lynch Sonata. I visited Soren on N1, aa-dono N2. Their results are faked. |
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| The only question then is how in the world did they know Denja also visited Soren? |
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| Also, since at this point I have nothing else to claim except my results, I might as well finish it off. I am a Vanilla Cop/Special Cop/Gunsmith/Whatever you want to call it. I can determine if someone is Vanilla Town or "Night Active". Both Soren and Denja are "Night Active". |
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PentaFlare said: I can confirm this. Unless there is a ninja here, that is. I poked Penta for a possibility of scum roleblocker.Lynch Sonata. I visited Soren on N1, aa-dono N2. Their results are faked. But the charade is over. Sonata is definitely lying. |
PentaFlare said: Fair enough with everything that has transpired I am not ready to clear DenjaX yet either wish I had a little more information. logic340 said: How comfortable do you feel with me, Grapefruit, DenjaX, Phraze, and yourself? if you make all of us town how does that help your PoE? I'm confortable with everyone but Denja being out of a PoE pool. I'm not as confident with Phraze but I'll put them back in only later if something seems to not add up. Denja is concerning me because he seems to be role fishing me a lot to try and figure out what I know about him. It makes me think he is worried to claim is actual role and needs to come up with a fakeclaim that works with what I know. Why would he have visited Soren N1? That is the same question I have. I could see Soren being visited then dying the following night as a sign mafia found something they didn't like. I don't know what role DenjaX could have that would allow him to visit someone since we have a jail keeper who acts as roleblocker and doctor. How many power roles would you expect the town to have? |
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PentaFlare said: Based on my role and what I just read on the Mafia wiki about it I believe your claim because a full cop is probably not in this setup.Also, since at this point I have nothing else to claim except my results, I might as well finish it off. I am a Vanilla Cop/Special Cop/Gunsmith/Whatever you want to call it. I can determine if someone is Vanilla Town or "Night Active". Both Soren and Denja are "Night Active". |
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| following up with my suspicions Unvote. Vote: Sonata |
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| Two votes away from the hammer now. I wish Lucian was here I want to see which way he goes on this. |
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| I'm here. Gimme some time to catch up, I'm trying to work out the claims. |
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logic340 said: PentaFlare said: Fair enough with everything that has transpired I am not ready to clear DenjaX yet either wish I had a little more information. I'm confortable with everyone but Denja being out of a PoE pool. I'm not as confident with Phraze but I'll put them back in only later if something seems to not add up. Denja is concerning me because he seems to be role fishing me a lot to try and figure out what I know about him. It makes me think he is worried to claim is actual role and needs to come up with a fakeclaim that works with what I know. Why would he have visited Soren N1? That is the same question I have. I could see Soren being visited then dying the following night as a sign mafia found something they didn't like. I don't know what role DenjaX could have that would allow him to visit someone since we have a jail keeper who acts as roleblocker and doctor. How many power roles would you expect the town to have? I think 3 is a pretty solid number 4 would only be the case if mafia had some pretty strong PRs to balance it out on the other side. |
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| Okay, it looks like something's been figured out while I was gone. Could someone tell me what's happened? |
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Gruffin said: Okay, it looks like something's been figured out while I was gone. Could someone tell me what's happened? Sonata's results are faked. I visited Soren N1. Denja confirmed somehow? |
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PentaFlare said: I would say the mafia have some really strong PR's then because I can confirm that there are two more town with a type of PR (including myself). logic340 said: Fair enough with everything that has transpired I am not ready to clear DenjaX yet either wish I had a little more information. That is the same question I have. I could see Soren being visited then dying the following night as a sign mafia found something they didn't like. I don't know what role DenjaX could have that would allow him to visit someone since we have a jail keeper who acts as roleblocker and doctor. How many power roles would you expect the town to have? I think 3 is a pretty solid number 4 would only be the case if mafia had some pretty strong PRs to balance it out on the other side. So you're VC DenjaX is whatever he is Soren was Jail Keeper I am ?????? ???? is ?????? |
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logic340 said: PentaFlare said: I would say the mafia have some really strong PR's then because I can confirm that their are two more town with a type of PR (including myself). I think 3 is a pretty solid number 4 would only be the case if mafia had some pretty strong PRs to balance it out on the other side. So you're VC DenjaX is whatever he is Soren was Jail Keeper I am ?????? ???? is ?????? Bloody murder. There are definitely 4 mafia then and and probably some strong PRs. |
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DenjaX said: @PentaFlare I wonder what took you so long to figure out the BS? This charade would have been over hours ago... xDD I was just keeping track of my results. "These two people are night active". I hadn't bothered to think of the fact that I visited people to do that. >.< |
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PentaFlare said: So if we get one in Sonata then VCA and PoE becomes a lot easier to deal with. If Sonata is scum then scum spread out and I would also put her and Sithin together based on that. Lucian looking more suspicious for dumping that vote on you before he left. IF there are 4 then I am going with Lucian, Rosie, Sonata, and Sithis. Based on PoE and VCA.logic340 said: I would say the mafia have some really strong PR's then because I can confirm that their are two more town with a type of PR (including myself). So you're VC DenjaX is whatever he is Soren was Jail Keeper I am ?????? ???? is ?????? Bloody murder. There are definitely 4 mafia then and and probably some strong PRs. |
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Gruffin said: this kinda popped up in my memory and I wanna answer itYou are acting somewhat similar to TGT, but I don't want meta to get in the way of me forming an unbiased read on you. I think my activity since TGT will be pretty different from what ur used to seeing lol. I think the reason is pretty obvious :P //offgame comment but before I forget lol |
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Gruffin said: vvvvvvOkay, it looks like something's been figured out while I was gone. Could someone tell me what's happened? Phraze said: logic340 said: grabbed whatever I thought was useful for that post I did before backreading. gave up when it came to those claims. they're what u call it....WIFOMy. claims always messed up my reads so not gonna look into them much besides how headache inducing they were@Phraze are you all caught up?? How do you feel about the claims that were made last night? but what I get is.... - Sonata mentioned claiming a role but edited it out - Dono was fairly active. had a fight with Penta - Denja hinted Kyon and poked Penta - Penta hinted being PR - Sonata, as per Kit's questioning, claimed his role and the results of it this kinda leads me to think that: IF Sonata is scum: he investigated Dono and got his result besides a NK on the bigger threat(jailor). or scum figured out Dono's role after the Penta/Dono exchange IF Sonata is town: he cleared uhh who was that person again?? and could have checked Denja's investigative scum got an investigative role. dunno who it would be or we could be facing town handing out fake power claims to confuse mafia this is pretty WIFOMy so shitz on it. I still doubt Sonata |
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Sonata said: SONATA, PLS.Ah, forgot to say, I'm vanilla town. What is even going on right now? |
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Phraze said: Only the activity seems to be the same imo. The posts feel more genuine especially the one with your reads for Gruffin.Gruffin said: this kinda popped up in my memory and I wanna answer itYou are acting somewhat similar to TGT, but I don't want meta to get in the way of me forming an unbiased read on you. I think my activity since TGT will be pretty different from what ur used to seeing lol. I think the reason is pretty obvious :P //offgame comment but before I forget lol |
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Sonata said: Where is that case on Kit? Why did it take for Kit to ask about you claiming for you to claim (something you said you would do in a wall post). Why doesn't your story add up? How are you Vanilla if your case against Soren was based on the findings of your night action?Ah, forgot to say, I'm vanilla town. |
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| Not quite they already claimed watcher....LMAO. Claimed to watch Soren night 1 who was visited by aa-dono. It makes more sense that they got Soren's role and decided he needed to go night 2. |
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| @Sonata bad hammer and now this why should we believe you are town? |
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| I am willing to spare Sonata because I can feel the thoughts put into it. @logic340 why do you want to see Sonata burn so bad already? You dont even have a slight doubts about all these shenanigans? Acutally i will Unvote for now. |
| Claim Timeline: D1: -Sonata watched Soren, visited by aa-dono. (claimed) -Penta visited Soren (claimed) D2: -Sonata watched Rosie, no visits. (claimed) 1048 - Sonata's edited post were they say they will try to get results on Soren. (Kit/Gruffin confirmed) -Penta visited aa-dono (claimed) D3: Denja is waiting for results, gets them on Penta? 1372 - Denja soft hinting guilty cop-check on Penta? 1379 - Penta suspects Denja for this hint. 1380 - ??? 1381 - A sad, confused Penta no longer thinks Denja is claiming his role. 1401 - Sonata claims watcher, and claims results. 1440 - Denja says he's not cop. 1441 - Penta soft-claiming cop or informative role of equal power. 1607 - Penta claims visits. 1610 - Penta claims Gunsmith, Soren and Denja are both Night Active. 1611 - Denja confirms Penta's visit, says he thought Penta could have been scum rb. 1613 - Logic's got a role too, believes Penta's claim. 1622 - More PRs ;-; 1632 - Sonata claims VT I'm up for voting Sonata after all of this. Edit: If I missed something, please tell me and I'll add it. |
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DenjaX said: First of all I don't want to see her burn so badly, I just asked a question. My vote has not moved there nor did I threaten to move it. I was one of the first to raise my concerns I just was not expecting more shenanigans considering the postilion they put us (town) and themselves in.I am willing to spare Sonata because I can feel the thoughts put into it. @logic340 why do you want to see Sonata burn so bad already? You dont even have a slight doubts about all these shenanigans? |
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DenjaX said: What does pulling a Lamby mean?@PentaFlare what do you make all of this? You think Sonata is pulling a Lamby here as well? |
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DenjaX said: @PentaFlare what do you make all of this? You think Sonata is pulling a Lamby here as well? Well, Lamby claimed cop with a guilty check as VT and the person he claimed was guilty actually flipped scum... |
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Gruffin said: after reading all that... too WIFOMy >.> this is why I hate claiming, I might actually promote it as scum but not as town loolClaim Timeline: D1: -Sonata watched Soren, visited by aa-dono. (claimed) -Penta visited Soren (claimed) D2: -Sonata watched Rosie, no visits. (claimed) 1048 - Sonata's edited post were they say they will try to get results on Soren. (Kit/Gruffin confirmed) -Penta visited aa-dono (claimed) D3: Denja is waiting for results, gets them on Penta? 1372 - Denja soft hinting guilty cop-check on Penta? 1379 - Penta suspects Denja for this hint. 1380 - ??? 1381 - A sad, confused Penta no longer thinks Denja is claiming his role. 1401 - Sonata claims watcher, and claims results. 1440 - Denja says he's not cop. 1441 - Penta soft-claiming cop or informative role of equal power. 1607 - Penta claims visits. 1610 - Penta claims Gunsmith, Soren and Denja are both Night Active. 1611 - Denja confirms Penta's visit, says he thought Penta could have been scum rb. 1613 - Logic's got a role too, believes Penta's claim. 1622 - More PRs ;-; 1632 - Sonata claims VT I'm up for voting Sonata after all of this. Edit: If I missed something, please tell me and I'll add it. |
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logic340 said: Lamby is a player in MS who always pull stunts to get reactions even if it makes him get lynched. It is a terrible thing to experience at that moment but it yields good results in the long run because of the activity it brings. Then, it is good to investigate again after we look what happened in retrospect.What does pulling a Lamby mean? |
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