| All I know is that Blade Dance is the best from all these recent generic LN hs magic/battle adaptations. |
bastek66 said: Unlike Asterisk and Absolute Duo. story focuses on romance between main duo (aside duels and shit). Unlike Kuusen Madoushi. show has decent animation. Unlike Mahouka. protagonist isn't a robot. Glad I could help. All I wanted to know. |
| what about the fact the main character is basically the same as the one in: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei Where both of the schools look at some sort of ability that they suck at making them a low class even tho they are the most op ones around. Im not hating though, i love both animes either way but it does feel a bit of the same |
| I remember when stuff like Machine-doll was quite innovative. These kinds of shows are starting to be as much as a genre as CGDCT is. We can shit out two of them each season :') |
NeoAnkara said: First about Ittou Shura. It's just an extension on Ikki already weak ability body strength. Meanwhile someone like Stella can manipulate flame and his soon to be introduced sister can manipulate water he can only manipulate his own strength and release human body restrain. You could say it's pinnacle of his training. Theoretically, anybody can reach Ittou Shura, because anybody can reinforce their body, all they have to do is gain body control like Ikki through extremely extensive training. If you have that amount of insane concentration, you can break your body limits like Ittou Shura. However, no one except Ikki that untalented is not willing to give up and continued to search for a way to win, and the result is this technique. And even though he's a much superior among his peers when it comes to martial arts, he is still nothing compared to Edelweiss. I think Edelweiss might have something similar to surpass body limits too, since her body control is insane as well. For perfect vision, it's a branch off Blade Steal, and I honestly don't think anyone would bother to master that many weapons(from hand to hand to even bows), but again, theoretically, anyone would be able to reach this level if they work hard enough(not to mention that it wouldn't work or at least as well on stronger opponents, such as Moroboshi Yudai and Kinosaki Byakuya, who are also master strategists(the latter is also capable of perfect vision through extensive data-gathering, and known as Heaven's Eye for that). |
GradationAirOct 25, 2015 9:07 PM
GradationAir said: Theoretically, anybody can reach Ittou Shura, because anybody can reinforce their body, all they have to do is gain body control like Ikki through extremely extensive training. If you have that amount of insane concentration, you can break your body limits like Ittou Shura. However, no one except Ikki that untalented is not willing to give up and continued to search for a way to win, and the result is this technique. I think you got kind of the wrong idea about Ittou Shura. I've read the first two novels, and what I understood is that every single magic user in the world possesses a certain ability that's inherent to them. Stella uses fire, Shizuku uses water; in the same way, Ikki uses physical strength. By developing his natural ability of physical strengthening, he reached the Ittou Shura, which is something like the maximum level of that ability. In the novels, Ikki used his physical talent, which is seen by magic users as weak and useless, to develop an appropriate strength for him. This means Ikki's power comes from huge amounts of hard work upon the foundation of his physical talent. I'd say that Ittou Shura is a unique skill which only Ikki can use. It can be mimicked, but the original Ittou Shura depends on Ikki's innate ability. |
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Yaboku98 said: I think you got kind of the wrong idea about Ittou Shura. I've read the first two novels, and what I understood is that every single magic user in the world possesses a certain ability that's inherent to them. Stella uses fire, Shizuku uses water; in the same way, Ikki uses physical strength. By developing his natural ability of physical strengthening, he reached the Ittou Shura, which is something like the maximum level of that ability. In the novels, Ikki used his physical talent, which is seen by magic users as weak and useless, to develop an appropriate strength for him. This means Ikki's power comes from huge amounts of hard work upon the foundation of his physical talent. I'd say that Ittou Shura is a unique skill which only Ikki can use. It can be mimicked, but the original Ittou Shura depends on Ikki's innate ability. I've read all the way to Vol. 6. Ikki's ability is physical strengthening, and the reason it is a shitty ability is that pretty much ANYONE is able to do that with their own ability. Stella is shown to be having much higher physical power. I recommend you reading the first fight between Stella and Ikki again. Anybody can break their body limiter, even in the real word weight lifters are able to utilize their muscle power beyond normal human limits. But so far only Ikki is able to do it through sheer concentration, and even in Vol.2 when Stella is in the swimming pool, she admitted that she doesn't have the body control to reach the realm that is Ittou Shura. If you're talking about "innate ability", then yeah, Stella's "Ittou Shura" wouldn't be the same since it would be "Ittou Shura+", because it would boost her magic power thus making her fire attacks even more powerful, on top of Ittou Shura. It would be Ittou Shura, but better. But realistically, Stella, or anyone for that matter, wouldn't bother to learn a dangerous technique like this(which is an extreme double edged sword) when they can hone their magic abilities further, that's the REAL reason it's an unique skill that only Ikki possess. Because no one that untalented but Ikki is able to accept himself as weak, but the same time with an ambition and confidence to surpass the ones who are born strong. And to me, that's a much more badass reason. |
GradationAirOct 26, 2015 6:48 AM
| ^Damn you and your ability to read Japanese. |
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| Similarities: Has a princess of some sorts with pink hair, who controls fire, and the MC sees her dressing or naked. Just like Blade Dance and Gakusen Toshi. MC with no magic power, and is strong, but discriminated like Mahouka. However, I do like how early the romance starts. |
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Jayden said: Similarities: Has a princess of some sorts with pink hair, who controls fire, and the MC sees her dressing or naked. Just like Blade Dance and Gakusen Toshi. MC with no magic power, and is strong, but discriminated like Mahouka. However, I do like how early the romance starts. You have got to be kidding me. http://mahouka-koukou-no-rettousei.wikia.com/wiki/Shiba_Tatsuya/Powers_and_Abilities Saying that he is similar to Ikki basically saying that Tatsuya is weak but skilled and his power sucks. b00m666 said: what about the fact the main character is basically the same as the one in: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei Where both of the schools look at some sort of ability that they suck at making them a low class even tho they are the most op ones around. Except Ikki's power literally sucks. His power is basically the inferior version of most other people's powers, and he only got to where he is because he's a hard worker. Technically speaking anybody can achieve that. If he was to switch his magic power with an ordinary Blazer's, he would become so many times stronger than he is right now. Tatsuya is born with awesome powers. Multiple of them. And if that wasn't enough, he got his brain modified to makes his awesome powers even more awesome. |
GradationAirNov 7, 2015 7:29 AM
Drake1000 said:  The japanese are starting to realize dude, maybe they'll finally come to the conclusion that they've been eating up the same shit for years now, evolution is a scary thing. I truely agree with you |
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GradationAir said: Jayden said: Similarities: Has a princess of some sorts with pink hair, who controls fire, and the MC sees her dressing or naked. Just like Blade Dance and Gakusen Toshi. MC with no magic power, and is strong, but discriminated like Mahouka. However, I do like how early the romance starts. You have got to be kidding me. http://mahouka-koukou-no-rettousei.wikia.com/wiki/Shiba_Tatsuya/Powers_and_Abilities Saying that he is similar to Ikki basically saying that Tatsuya is weak but skilled and his power sucks. b00m666 said: what about the fact the main character is basically the same as the one in: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei Where both of the schools look at some sort of ability that they suck at making them a low class even tho they are the most op ones around. Except Ikki's power literally sucks. His power is basically the inferior version of most other people's powers, and he only got to where he is because he's a hard worker. Technically speaking anybody can achieve that. If he was to switch his magic power with an ordinary Blazer's, he would become so many times stronger than he is right now. Tatsuya is born with awesome powers. Multiple of them. And if that wasn't enough, he got his brain modified to makes his awesome powers even more awesome. I'm very aware of Tatsuya's abilities. You're over analyzing what I said, Tatsuya and Ikki are both discriminated against, and considered weak because of their magic power even if they actually aren't. That's all I wanted to say. |
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ibraheem234 said: Drake1000 said: The japanese are starting to realize dude, maybe they'll finally come to the conclusion that they've been eating up the same shit for years now, evolution is a scary thing. I truely agree with you We're into this for 6 episodes and the difference is starting to show so you saying this now is extremely meaningless. |
Jayden said: I'm very aware of Tatsuya's abilities. You're over analyzing what I said, Tatsuya and Ikki are both discriminated against, and considered weak because of their magic power even if they actually aren't. That's all I wanted to say. It's like saying "both main characters have black hair" http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HiddenBadass and FYI, Ikki IS weak. Weak, but skilled. He is still SEVERELY out-matched in most of his major fights though. fatalystic said: I'm pretty sure Tatsuya was born with little to no magical capabilities, which is why his mother performed that forbidden mental modification procedure in an attempt to give him powers. 「It is revealed that Tatsuya's powers regrowth and decomposition were influenced by the will/prayers of the Yotsuba (particularly Maya and Miya) for a superman-like savior when he was just a fetus. The Yotsuba originally celebrated his birth, but due to the destructive potential of his magic, Kuroba Juuzou proposed the idea of killing the new-born baby, Tatsuya but he was protected by Yotsuba Eisaku.[1]」 No. Tatsuya is literally Mahouka's Jesus. |
GradationAirNov 9, 2015 8:03 AM
| ^Might want to spoiler that. |
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frenze12 said: Renren is speedster. The moment you can catch her it's game over. In LN she mistake the reason Ikki badly beaten against Kirihara is that he cannot catch him which is untrue since the real reason is long range attack. GradationAir said: and FYI, Ikki IS weak. Weak, but skilled. He is still SEVERELY out-matched in most of his major fights though. Tell that to Renren, the girl who is ranked as third strongest student in the academy who got stomped by him. Considering what Ikki can do, the last thing what you can call him is weak. He is extremely strong in his own right. What's Ikki strong point is not his physical prowess but his insight on other. He is not exactly weak per see but it's true that skill > strength for him. |
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frenze12 said: Ikki's strong point is his physical prowess. 「Stella had better lung capacity than Ikki, of course, her strength, mana, firepower; everything was far above Ikki's. 」 Okay. |
frenze12 said: I said physical prowess not magical nor destructive ability. Ikki is more closer to "badass normal" compared to all the other blazers. And let's not forget the feats he did even before the anime/novel started, just ask the current director. Besides magic, Stella's physical condition and swordmanship is lower than Ikki's. For example the first day she joined in with Ikki's training she passed out during it. It was very clear that Ikki's physical condition was higher than her's. But the anime decided to cut that out ofcourse. I don't get it why you are so hell bent on calling him weak while facts prove otherwise. You throw around trope names like badass normal but I'm not sure you even understand what they mean. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BadassNormal http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WeakButSkilled |
Drake1000 said: The japanese are starting to realize dude, maybe they'll finally come to the conclusion that they've been eating up the same shit for years now, evolution is a scary thing. This show and Asterisk are quite different. They start from the same generic premise but they both go in different directions. Asterisk is a generic battle harem where the first girl has slight favoritism in the harem rankings but the hero seemingly favors no one. Calvary is a straight up romance. It's a harem in the sense that Ai Yori Aoshi is one. It's also got a Naruto style preachiness to it about friendship and hard work and all that jazz. Asterisk shouldn't be the dual cour show IMO Calvary should have been. Asterisk isn't as interesting and hasn't really separated itself from it's generic premise at all.This show has far more potential. |
stone616 said: It's a harem in the sense that Ai Yori Aoshi is one. Where is this harem? Ai Yoshi Aoshi had plenty of girls constantly near to MC. |
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stone616 said: Calvary is a straight up romance. It's a harem in the sense that Ai Yori Aoshi is one. It's also got a Naruto style preachiness to it about friendship and hard work and all that jazz. Cavalry isn't really a harem. It uses elements of the genre, but that is as far as it goes. To break things down: - Stella and Ikki are in a romantic relationship - Shizuku is being clingy because she wants to compensate for the Kurogane family's mistreatment of Ikki - Ayase doesn't appear again after the Sword Eater arc. In the manga, her father actually tells Ikki that he and Ayase should marry to take over the dojo. However, Silver Link left that out in the anime |
| The MC's background does remind me of Kazuma Yagami from Kaze no Stigma with the whole "being thrown out of the family for being weak thing." |
RaiRyuSen said: The MC's background does remind me of Kazuma Yagami from Kaze no Stigma with the whole "being thrown out of the family for being weak thing." Ikki wasn't thrown out of the family when the story began though. In fact Ikki's father never shunned Ikki for being weak. Then, how Ikki and Kazuma took their weakness are different. Kazuma became a bitter person and once gave up trying to be a power user, Ikki kept going knowing he has no talent. Only resemblance is that they were both weak. |
| The concept of this(school, harem ecchi magic) anime is really common, I'm think atleast 1 of these come out every season. So i really wouldn't call it a ripoff not unless it's the same writer, but this is the first I've seen as far as I can remember where the MCs hook up. You can make your own just follow these steps x) Just stitch em all together and you have your own concept. Now you can start on your character design! (Sorry got a little carried away there lol.) |
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