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Sep 15, 2015 12:47 PM

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http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1417598

Shalltear is the strongest floor master, her abilities are just too much for them 1 on 1.
That doesn't mean she's the strongest NPC thou.
The floor numbers don't mean anything.

Ainz is around a middle upper tier player, definitely not the strongest.
And shalltear is ainz worst possible opponent.
She's an close combat undead holy magic user with an hp absorbing weapon XD

Sep 15, 2015 12:51 PM

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ichii_1 said:
http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1417598

Shalltear is the strongest floor master, her abilities are just too much for them 1 on 1.
That doesn't mean she's the strongest NPC thou.
The floor numbers don't mean anything.

Ainz is around a middle upper tier player, definitely not the strongest.
And shalltear is ainz worst possible opponent.
She's an close combat undead holy magic user with an hp absorbing weapon XD

And summons that she can use to heal herself

Sep 15, 2015 12:55 PM

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[spoiler]The guardians' power is not linked to the floor they protect. In all of the guild's history, only once was there a group able to make it past Shalltear. They put a very strong, made entirely for battle, NPC at the entrance.

Ainz is an undead specialized in death spells. Shalltear is immune to those and is talented in holy magic, Ainz' primary weakness. Shalltear is basically the perfect counter to him and Ainz suspects her creator made her that way to troll him.

Also, it's never been talked about much in the anime, but back in the game, Ainz was more of a role player than a PVPer. He was stronger than the average level 100 thanks to his knowledge and crap tons of pay-to-win items, but he doesn't have the best PVP build.[spoiler]

Sep 15, 2015 9:08 PM

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she's also responsible for guarding 3 floors, 1-3.

Sep 16, 2015 6:08 AM

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ichii_1 said:
http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1417598

Shalltear is the strongest floor master, her abilities are just too much for them 1 on 1.
That doesn't mean she's the strongest NPC thou.
The floor numbers don't mean anything.

Ainz is around a middle upper tier player, definitely not the strongest.
And shalltear is ainz worst possible opponent.
She's an close combat undead holy magic user with an hp absorbing weapon XD

but they already said that albedo is the strongest npc on nazarick on episode 1..
also is nabe the leader of pleiades?

Sep 16, 2015 6:28 AM

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pido125 said:

ichii_1 said:
http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1417598

Shalltear is the strongest floor master, her abilities are just too much for them 1 on 1.
That doesn't mean she's the strongest NPC thou.
The floor numbers don't mean anything.

Ainz is around a middle upper tier player, definitely not the strongest.
And shalltear is ainz worst possible opponent.
She's an close combat undead holy magic user with an hp absorbing weapon XD

but they already said that albedo is the strongest npc on nazarick on episode 1..
also is nabe the leader of pleiades?

No those were only her ingame SETTINGS, basically a role that was given to her.
She most probably can't win vs Shalltear 1v1. Ainz even asks her about her chances of winning and she remains silent knowing that it is very slim.

This is part of how she's described in the LN

Shalltear is a powerful vanguard that takes on the enemies first when they intrude the tomb(first 3 floors-undead catacombs) thats why her stats are very high and balanced at that , basically a versatile all-rounder.

Also no the leader of Pleiades is Sebas.

barmarSep 16, 2015 6:40 AM

Sep 16, 2015 9:24 AM

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pido125 said:

but they already said that albedo is the strongest npc on nazarick on episode 1.

She's the manager/supervisor of the npc's and nazarick, so she's 2nd in command after Ainz.
Her stats are mostly for defense to shield the guild members.

Sep 16, 2015 11:45 AM

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Shalltear isn't actually the strongest thats Gargantua but thats just a soulless automaton.

Other than that Shalltear has by a margin the highest stats in Nazarick even beating Ainz, but thats not what makes her dangerous it's her abilities that allow her to simply outlast anybody she's fighting, out of the others only Albedo and Mare are close to her power wise.

NewhopesSep 16, 2015 11:53 AM

Sep 17, 2015 3:03 AM

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Newhopes said:
Shalltear isn't actually the strongest thats Gargantua but thats just a soulless automaton.

Other than that Shalltear has by a margin the highest stats in Nazarick even beating Ainz, but thats not what makes her dangerous it's her abilities that allow her to simply outlast anybody she's fighting, out of the others only Albedo and Mare are close to her power wise.

Shalltear is stronger than Gargantua. In terms of raw power, Gargantua is better than Shalltear but Shalltear has intelligence and able to last longer than Gargantua in a straight fight. Being a guardian of 3 floors isn't just for show.

Mare can't even compare to Shalltear and Albedo. Imo, he's the weakest among the guardians.

Sep 17, 2015 8:19 AM

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Blankbite said:

Newhopes said:
Shalltear isn't actually the strongest thats Gargantua but thats just a soulless automaton.

Other than that Shalltear has by a margin the highest stats in Nazarick even beating Ainz, but thats not what makes her dangerous it's her abilities that allow her to simply outlast anybody she's fighting, out of the others only Albedo and Mare are close to her power wise.

Shalltear is stronger than Gargantua. In terms of raw power, Gargantua is better than Shalltear but Shalltear has intelligence and able to last longer than Gargantua in a straight fight. Being a guardian of 3 floors isn't just for show.

Mare can't even compare to Shalltear and Albedo. Imo, he's the weakest among the guardians.

Nope, Mare total stat is equal to Albedo and he have the highest m.attack among the flour guardian. The weakest guardian is his Sister, Aura

Sep 17, 2015 10:03 AM

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Blankbite said:

Newhopes said:
Shalltear isn't actually the strongest thats Gargantua but thats just a soulless automaton.

Other than that Shalltear has by a margin the highest stats in Nazarick even beating Ainz, but thats not what makes her dangerous it's her abilities that allow her to simply outlast anybody she's fighting, out of the others only Albedo and Mare are close to her power wise.

Shalltear is stronger than Gargantua. In terms of raw power, Gargantua is better than Shalltear but Shalltear has intelligence and able to last longer than Gargantua in a straight fight. Being a guardian of 3 floors isn't just for show.

Mare can't even compare to Shalltear and Albedo. Imo, he's the weakest among the guardians.

Thats why I said soul less automaton.

And no Mare is the second strongest, one of the others think it was Sebas states Mare has the power to be number one if he wasn't such a pussy.

Weakest is victim, out of the "standard" Guardians Aura is the weakest.

If you include none Guardians then Rubedo Albedos younger sister is the strongest person in Nazarick including been more powerful than a fully geared Ainz.

NewhopesSep 17, 2015 10:23 AM

Sep 17, 2015 10:19 AM

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Aura and Mare are a duo.
Aura's has a ton of level 80 and 90 maybe some level 100 beasts as her class is a beast tamer, mare is also a druid so he can transform into beasts (based on d&d druids anyways :P) so she will get a huge boost by Aura's skills.

Sep 17, 2015 10:34 AM

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I dislike these concept of strength.
X is stronger than Y simply doesn't do it justice.

Fact is: Being lvl 100 all floor guardians are in terms of strength pretty much on par. They are just designed around different tasks.

About Aura. She might be pretty weak individually, but you also need to take the gazillion beasts into considerations she has in her pocket.

Albedo is a tank and has the highest defensive strength. This won't be helpful though if she were to ever fight alone. And she wasn't designed as a tank to fight alone.
And btw its just weird to assume that a leader has to be the strongest/best.

Shalltear has a balanced duelling build with life steal and shit. As a allrounder she is argueably the strongest floor guardian when it comes to 1v1 encounter.

As mentioned Ainz has a roleplay focussed build with summoning undeads, aoe effects and insta death spells (that don't work against too strong opponents).
You can argue that by looking at the weak average level in the new world Ainz is in fact the strongest guy out there, since his tools are super effective out there.
However in 1v1 encounter against strong opponents (like shalltear) they are not.

MoistusApparatusSep 17, 2015 10:39 AM

Sep 17, 2015 10:46 AM

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Yeah basically that. The guardians are very specialized, each proficient in their respective area.The drama cd pretty much showcased their roles, the power they can achieve if they fix their coordination, and hey maybe even learn to chain/combo attacks to create stronger effects. This is the new world after all.

Sep 17, 2015 11:07 PM

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Newhopes said:

Newhopes said:
Shalltear isn't actually the strongest thats Gargantua but thats just a soulless automaton.

Thats why I said soul less automaton.

Your statements are rather confusing. Did you mean something different when you said "strongest". So the real question is - is it Shalltear > Gargantua, or Gargantua > Shalltear? And please don't use "If this, if that" e.g. if only gargantua is intelligent.

And no Mare is the second strongest, one of the others think it was Sebas states Mare has the power to be number one if he wasn't such a pussy.

I don't remember this line. What volume/chapter Sebas said this? I'm pretty sure it's not vol 1/2 because of this link: Helpful Notes

Weakest is victim, out of the "standard" Guardians Aura is the weakest.

Wrong. Fact: It is said that Aura is the 2nd weakest guardian in terms of 1v1 combat but she can be on par or even stronger than other guardians if it is a group fight. I can even quote this part of the LN. But you see, Shalltear outshine Aura even in group battles.

If you include none Guardians then Rubedo Albedos younger sister is the strongest person in Nazarick including been more powerful than a fully geared Ainz.

I agree however she should be exempted for now.

Why is Shalltear the strongest? That's because none of the guardians could outlast her in a battle of attrition. When Albedo suggested an assassination squad they planned to "take turn in killing her to sap her strength". That's how strong Shalltear is. They can't kill her in a single go or 1v1 fight. She also has a built-in resurrection skill. How's that for a 2nd round?

tucodon said:

Nope, Mare total stat is equal to Albedo and he have the highest m.attack among the flour guardian. The weakest guardian is his Sister, Aura

Stats has got little to do with being the "strongest". If stats really matter, Pandora's Actor would be the "strongest" NPC in Nazarick. Stats alone isn't a good way to scout their power levels. Comparing who is the "strongest" solely by who has the best stats in the character sheet is so wrong.

Being strongest includes the following "preconditions":
Equipment in possession
Base stat
Sentience
Intelligence
Overall Build
Overall Level
Special Skills
Racial Advantages (e.g. undead being immune to mind control)
Job Advantages (because some useless non-combat jobs like Chef, Blacksmith, etc. exist)
And the most important thing out of all factors: "Match Up"

The following is the "condition":
1 versus 1
All skills and equipment are allowed.
Summons allowed.

Shalltear vs. Mare (for those who said he's the strongest)
-Once Mare run out of mana, he's doomed anyway. Even Ainz who has off-the-chart mana, ran out of mana when he fought Shalltear.

Shalltear vs. Aura (for those who said she's the strongest)
-More pets, more fun for Shalltear. 'nuff said.

Honestly if you separate Aura and Mare, their battle potential would drop a lot.

With this fair setup to know who is the "strongest", the 4 close-quarter combat specialist guardian would always go to the top before Shalltear (she's not close combat) then after them are Aura Mare Gargantua Victim. Rubedo/Pandora's Actor doesn't count because they're not Floor Guardians.

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ExplodingGirlSep 22, 2015 8:01 AM

Sep 18, 2015 1:48 AM

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Blankbite said:
Rubedo/Pandora's Actor doesn't count because they're not Floor Guardians.

This person knows his stuff.

"Haruhi stood in front of a sign that says "Don't feed the pigeons," she then began to openly throw bread crumbs around like a gardener determined to make the wilting flowers blossom again. All I could say about this is that she's probably illiterate." - Kyon 2:3

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