hentai_eucli said: But I'm still masturbating to pixels am I not?MechaKiryu said: I masturbate to images of children on the internet. That doesn't make me a pedophile because I'm only maturbating to pixilated images. Pictures of actual children on the internet are also pixelated. |
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MechaKiryu said: You're actually masturbating to your monitor, pretty sad.hentai_eucli said: But I'm still masturbating to pixels am I not?Pictures of actual children on the internet are also pixelated. |
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Paulo27 said: I know right? It doesn't make me a pedo.MechaKiryu said: You're actually masturbating to your monitor, pretty sad.But I'm still masturbating to pixels am I not? |
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Paulo27 said: MechaKiryu said: You're actually masturbating to your monitor, pretty sad.But I'm still masturbating to pixels am I not? Even if you masturbated to a real person right infront of you, you would technically be masturbating to atoms. And I personally don't find them attractive |
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| sexualizing children =/= paedophilia. children CAN be sexual beings... i'd much rather let the fantasies out then just project stuff onto them like some parents do. if the plot of a lolicon anime or image actually shows a grownup having sex with a little girl, thats kinda pedophilia, and making people think its ok...which may be overstepping too many boundaries. but if it just makes loli girls look hot... im ok with that. also, realize that often times the plot will be explicityly 'out of this world,' the little girl will be a mythical being of some sort, not your average snot nosed five year old lol |
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kami_desu said: [/spoiler]no, because it's a continuous exposure to that medium. it's not something that happens over night kami_desu said: [/spoiler][spoiler] but who says person a is watching sexualised lolis just take a look at non non biyori i don't see how u can look at that and say "o mu gud, they sexed" I haven't watched that anime but from what you said, it seems as though they're not being sexualized which is fine. I have nothing wrong with animes where the leads or characters are children that's fine. my problem lies primarily with those who sexualize the children. because that's just wrong If someone doesn't like watching sexualised children, then usually, they wouldn't be watching it. If you think about it, the only reason people watch it in the first place is because they want to. And in the end, lolis are very different from real children. Just think about those people who always so 2d>3d If that's the case, it's even less likely that they'd prey on real children[/quote] lolis aren't very different. They have the same mannerisms, naivities, and more or less the same frame as children. (though I know some have massive boobs, but how is that different from that mum on 'toddler & tiaras' who placed boobs on her toddler and caused that big uproar...why, because it's still sexualizing the children) Just because it's a "cartoon" or "drawing" doesn't mean it doesn't have the same effect on people. In nazi germany, when hitler started his campaign, he started off mild. He started off with publishing cartoon books depicting Jews as lesser beings, dehumanizing them. That this lead the german society into being non-resistant, and into supporting his Nazi campaign. Also, if you look at american society and what caused the gross racism which occured during the early 1900s such as the lynchings and the mass burning of the african-american businesses, if you study the society there had been an endoctrination and the dehumanization of that particular group. Also, the case of the american soldiers in Guantanamo bay which raped the arab prisoners and caused them to rub poo on themselves etc etc didn't happen over night, but being opposed to ideas which propagated the idea that the arabs were nothing, and were lesser than them. that is why watching the lolicon genre and support ing it is quite dangerous and leads one onto a slippery slope which should not be taken lightly It's a slippery slope |
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hentai_eucli said: I don't care, that shit makes me hard.Paulo27 said: You're actually masturbating to your monitor, pretty sad. Even if you masturbated to a real person right infront of you, you would technically be masturbating to atoms. And I personally don't find them attractive |
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AmberRose said: kami_desu said: [/spoiler]no, because it's a continuous exposure to that medium. it's not something that happens over night [/spoiler] I haven't watched that anime but from what you said, it seems as though they're not being sexualized which is fine. I have nothing wrong with animes where the leads or characters are children that's fine. my problem lies primarily with those who sexualize the children. because that's just wrong If someone doesn't like watching sexualised children, then usually, they wouldn't be watching it. If you think about it, the only reason people watch it in the first place is because they want to. And in the end, lolis are very different from real children. Just think about those people who always so 2d>3d If that's the case, it's even less likely that they'd prey on real children lolis aren't very different. They have the same mannerisms, naivities, and more or less the same frame as children. (though I know some have massive boobs, but how is that different from that mum on 'toddler & tiaras' who placed boobs on her toddler and caused that big uproar...why, because it's still sexualizing the children) Just because it's a "cartoon" or "drawing" doesn't mean it doesn't have the same effect on people. In nazi germany, when hitler started his campaign, he started off mild. He started off with publishing cartoon books depicting Jews as lesser beings, dehumanizing them. That this lead the german society into being non-resistant, and into supporting his Nazi campaign. Also, if you look at american society and what caused the gross racism which occured during the early 1900s such as the lynchings and the mass burning of the african-american businesses, if you study the society there had been an endoctrination and the dehumanization of that particular group. Also, the case of the american soldiers in Guantanamo bay which raped the arab prisoners and caused them to rub poo on themselves etc etc didn't happen over night, but being opposed to ideas which propagated the idea that the arabs were nothing, and were lesser than them. that is why watching the lolicon genre and support ing it is quite dangerous and leads one onto a slippery slope which should not be taken lightly It's a slippery slope[/quote]Literally TL;DR |
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AmberRose said: Wow your a girl? What are we supposed to do bow down?SolvitePriest said: HE REGISTERED HIS ACCOUNT TWO DAYS AGO. DO NOT TAKE THE BAIT. yes I registered my account two days ago because i'm on holiday...obviously. and fyi i'm a girl -_- |
| A new account making a thread like this and using bad arguments. Troll thread sighted. Everybody knows that lolis aren't actual children anyway. |
Drunk_Samurai said: Ah yeah they're not...A new account making a thread like this and using bad arguments. Troll thread sighted. Everybody knows that lolis aren't actual children anyway. This is MAL's biggest pedophile defender by the way. |
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| Loli's are cute and a lot of the hentai and Doujin is good. Also no real children are hurt in the process so what the fuck do you care? |
MechaKiryu said: Drunk_Samurai said: Ah yeah they're not...A new account making a thread like this and using bad arguments. Troll thread sighted. Everybody knows that lolis aren't actual children anyway. This is MAL's biggest pedophile defender by the way. They aren't kids, real kids are wild disasters and annoying, lolis are often polite, well behaved, can be sexy, and sometimes have adult tier mature. It's unrealistic to think that kids are like lolis. |
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Hoppy said: Thanks man~ MechaKiryu said: Ah yeah they're not... This is MAL's biggest pedophile defender by the way. They aren't kids, real kids are wild disasters and annoying, lolis are often polite, well behaved, can be sexy, and sometimes have adult tier mature. It's unrealistic to think that kids are like lolis. I'm a kid by the way. |
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Hoppy said: Damn straight.MechaKiryu said: Ah yeah they're not... This is MAL's biggest pedophile defender by the way. They aren't kids, real kids are wild disasters and annoying, lolis are often polite, well behaved, can be sexy, and sometimes have adult tier mature. It's unrealistic to think that kids are like lolis. |
Gotsupermilk said: AmberRose said: Wow your a girl? What are we supposed to do bow down?yes I registered my account two days ago because i'm on holiday...obviously. and fyi i'm a girl -_- 'HE' & 'HIS'. i was just correcting them :P, never said i wanted anyone to bow to me MechaKiryu said: Drunk_Samurai said: Ah yeah they're not...A new account making a thread like this and using bad arguments. Troll thread sighted. Everybody knows that lolis aren't actual children anyway. This is MAL's biggest pedophile defender by the way. MechaKiryu said: Drunk_Samurai said: Ah yeah they're not...A new account making a thread like this and using bad arguments. Troll thread sighted. Everybody knows that lolis aren't actual children anyway. This is MAL's biggest pedophile defender by the way. thanks for the heads up, should have known from such an ignorant answer to be honest. but like, WTF is wrong with these MAL users  |
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AmberRose said: Gotsupermilk said: Wow your a girl? What are we supposed to do bow down? 'HE' & 'HIS'. i was just correcting them :P, never said i wanted anyone to bow to me MechaKiryu said: Ah yeah they're not... This is MAL's biggest pedophile defender by the way. MechaKiryu said: Ah yeah they're not... This is MAL's biggest pedophile defender by the way. thanks for the heads up, should have known from such an ignorant answer to be honest. but like, WTF is wrong with these MAL users AmberRose said: People that don't like loli's are the weird ones.Gotsupermilk said: Wow your a girl? What are we supposed to do bow down? 'HE' & 'HIS'. i was just correcting them :P, never said i wanted anyone to bow to me MechaKiryu said: Ah yeah they're not... This is MAL's biggest pedophile defender by the way. MechaKiryu said: Ah yeah they're not... This is MAL's biggest pedophile defender by the way. thanks for the heads up, should have known from such an ignorant answer to be honest. but like, WTF is wrong with these MAL users |
Gotsupermilk said: AmberRose said: 'HE' & 'HIS'. i was just correcting them :P, never said i wanted anyone to bow to me thanks for the heads up, should have known from such an ignorant answer to be honest. but like, WTF is wrong with these MAL users AmberRose said: People that don't like loli's are the weird ones.'HE' & 'HIS'. i was just correcting them :P, never said i wanted anyone to bow to me thanks for the heads up, should have known from such an ignorant answer to be honest. but like, WTF is wrong with these MAL users This quote tower is pretty big OT: I don't think anybody is disagreeing that these genres sexualize children. |
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AmberRose said: Their parents dropped them on their head when they were infants.Gotsupermilk said: Wow your a girl? What are we supposed to do bow down? 'HE' & 'HIS'. i was just correcting them :P, never said i wanted anyone to bow to me MechaKiryu said: Ah yeah they're not... This is MAL's biggest pedophile defender by the way. MechaKiryu said: Ah yeah they're not... This is MAL's biggest pedophile defender by the way. thanks for the heads up, should have known from such an ignorant answer to be honest. but like, WTF is wrong with these MAL users |
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| it's like, you can disregard it for yourself, but you can't disregard it for all :D |
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Gotsupermilk said: Says you, child labour is real.Loli's are cute and a lot of the hentai and Doujin is good. Also no real children are hurt in the process so what the fuck do you care? |
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Hoppy said: MechaKiryu said: Ah yeah they're not... This is MAL's biggest pedophile defender by the way. They aren't kids, real kids are wild disasters and annoying, lolis are often polite, well behaved, can be sexy, and sometimes have adult tier mature. It's unrealistic to think that kids are like lolis.  |
MechaKiryu said: Watch out, I might want to fuck you in a couple weeks after I watch some more SoL anime.I'm a kid by the way. |
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FragOutFire said: Why am I a Berserk fan? All I ever experience is pain. We are in the eclipse and Miura has sacrificed us |
AmberRose said: Is this guy like this because anime influenced him to get blue hair? |
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Gotsupermilk said: [/spoiler][spoiler] Hoppy said: Damn straight.They aren't kids, real kids are wild disasters and annoying, lolis are often polite, well behaved, can be sexy, and sometimes have adult tier mature. It's unrealistic to think that kids are like lolis. LOL just because you surround your self with children that aren't well mannered you have deluded yourself into thinking they don't exist. HAAAAAAA, your ignorance astounds me. and to all those who are saying that the lolicon genre doesn't support pedophilia I refer you to my previous post. gain knowledge about human psychology and behaviourism before spouting out nonsensical theories which can all be easily bashed by scientific rationality and facts! |
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| [quote=Paulo27] MechaKiryu said: Oh I'm coming for yea baby.I'm a kid by the way. |
Paulo27 said: Good luck pervert.MechaKiryu said: Watch out, I might want to fuck you in a couple weeks after I watch some more SoL anime.I'm a kid by the way. |
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AmberRose said: Your argument is basically the same as the video game violence one.Gotsupermilk said: [/spoiler][spoiler]Damn straight. LOL just because you surround your self with children that aren't well mannered you have deluded yourself into thinking they don't exist. HAAAAAAA, your ignorance astounds me. and to all those who are saying that the lolicon genre doesn't support pedophilia I refer you to my previous post. gain knowledge about human psychology and behaviourism before spouting out nonsensical theories which can all be easily bashed by scientific rationality and facts! |
MechaKiryu said: Shit, I just realized there's not much shota anime out there, guess you're in luck.Paulo27 said: Good luck pervert.Watch out, I might want to fuck you in a couple weeks after I watch some more SoL anime. |
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AmberRose said: Hey, at least the kids around him will be safe.Gotsupermilk said: [/spoiler][spoiler]Damn straight. LOL just because you surround your self with children that aren't well mannered you have deluded yourself into thinking they don't exist. HAAAAAAA, your ignorance astounds me. |
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Gotsupermilk said: AmberRose said: Your argument is basically the same as the video game violence one.[/spoiler] LOL just because you surround your self with children that aren't well mannered you have deluded yourself into thinking they don't exist. HAAAAAAA, your ignorance astounds me. and to all those who are saying that the lolicon genre doesn't support pedophilia I refer you to my previous post. gain knowledge about human psychology and behaviourism before spouting out nonsensical theories which can all be easily bashed by scientific rationality and facts! and your point being...... there have been whole evidence based dissertations written on the matter which show the correlation with how soldiers are now getting trained with electronic simulations which are more or less "video games" to desensitize them of killing people, and it's also been proven that those whom spend longer hours playing violent games are more likely to develop anger management problems and more likely to be violent. The evidence is there, it's just that sheeple will rather live in their ignorance and believe what mainstream society says instead of what credited scientists who have spent years studying in that field have to say. |
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AmberRose said: Find me a couple studies about video games. Or is all this info coming from credited scientists like yourself?Gotsupermilk said: Your argument is basically the same as the video game violence one. and your point being...... there have been whole evidence based dissertations written on the matter which show the correlation with how soldiers are now getting trained with electronic simulations which are more or less "video games" to desensitize them of killing people, and it's also been proven that those whom spend longer hours playing violent games are more likely to develop anger management problems and more likely to be violent. The evidence is there, it's just that sheeple will rather live in their ignorance and believe what mainstream society says instead of what credited scientists who have spent years studying in that field have to say. |
kyle said: Sources? I don't know how it is in America (or anywhere else) but in the UK most reliable sources for scientific papers can't be found/accessed through google but has to be through a paid domain, so usually through universities or schools or own your own if you have the money to spare so I don't have a particular link I can give you. But if you're in the UK and at a uni or private school you should be able to access the information pretty easily through your school or uni's internet resources. (sorry that I haven't memorized the papers or names of the scientists, but I assure you they ARE there and have tonnes of evidence to back them up since I've read quite a few of them) |
AmberRoseDec 29, 2014 11:30 AM
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| There's never been any valid or accepted evidence to suggest that lolicon encourages or causes child molestation. In fact, there's plenty of reason to believe that it'll reduce it since loli gives an outlet for sexual desires that might otherwise be taken out in the real world. Regardless, you can't ban something for everyone just because of some potential unverified negative effects it might possibly lead to sometime in the future. We might as well ban all violent video games, movies, or books because they might encourage violence; it's the same logic. In fact, nearly anything could be argued to have a potentially harmful effect, but without evidence, such assertions are completely meaningless. I ultimately think that, like a lot of things, most people just find it icky and think that gives them the right to tell everyone else that they can't do it. But doing so is completely knee-jerk and reactionary, and it's not how a free society works. |
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AmberRose said: Wrecked.kyle said: Sources? I don't know how it is in America (or anywhere else) but in the UK most reliable sources for scientific papers can't be found/accessed through google but has to be through a paid domain, so usually through universities or schools or own your own if you have the money to spare so I don't have a particular link I can give you. But if you're in the UK and at a uni or private school you should be able to access the information pretty easily through your school or uni's internet resources. (sorry that I haven't memorized the papers or names of the scientists, but I assure you they ARE there and have tonnes of evidence to back them up since I've read quite a few of them) |
incisorr said: You're not a killer if you think about murder and killing people You're not a pedophile if you think about little girls No but you're clearly mentally deranged if find either to be enjoyable or fantasize about them. |
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AmberRose said: thanks for the heads up, should have known from such an ignorant answer to be honest. but like, WTF is wrong with these MAL users Ironic. You don't even know the difference between a child and a drawing. AmberRose said: kyle said: Sources? I don't know how it is in America (or anywhere else) but in the UK most reliable sources for scientific papers can't be found/accessed through google but has to be through a paid domain, so usually through universities or schools or own your own if you have the money to spare so I don't have a particular link I can give you. But if you're in the UK and at a uni or private school you should be able to access the information pretty easily through your school or uni's internet resources. (sorry that I haven't memorized the papers or names of the scientists, but I assure you they ARE there and have tonnes of evidence to back them up since I've read quite a few of them) So in other words you are making shit up. |
TheConquerer said: People who have fun playing violent video games have mental problems. incisorr said: You're not a killer if you think about murder and killing people You're not a pedophile if you think about little girls No but you're clearly mentally deranged if find either to be enjoyable or fantasize about them. Noted. |
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Draco73 said: 2logic5meThere's never been any valid or accepted evidence to suggest that lolicon encourages or causes child molestation. In fact, there's plenty of reason to believe that it'll reduce it since loli gives an outlet for sexual desires that might otherwise be taken out in the real world. Regardless, you can't ban something for everyone just because of some potential unverified negative effects it might possibly lead to sometime in the future. We might as well ban all violent video games, movies, or books because they might encourage violence; it's the same logic. In fact, nearly anything could be argued to have a potentially harmful effect, but without evidence, such assertions are completely meaningless. I ultimately think that, like a lot of things, most people just find it icky and think that gives them the right to tell everyone else that they can't do it. But doing so is completely knee-jerk and reactionary, and it's not how a free society works. |
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TheConquerer said: Then I guess I'm crazy.incisorr said: You're not a killer if you think about murder and killing people You're not a pedophile if you think about little girls No but you're clearly mentally deranged if find either to be enjoyable or fantasize about them. |
Draco73 said: There's never been any valid or accepted evidence to suggest that lolicon encourages or causes child molestation. In fact, there's plenty of reason to believe that it'll reduce it since loli gives an outlet for sexual desires that might otherwise be taken out in the real world. Regardless, you can't ban something for everyone just because of some potential unverified negative effects it might possibly lead to sometime in the future. We might as well ban all violent video games, movies, or books because they might encourage violence; it's the same logic. In fact, nearly anything could be argued to have a potentially harmful effect, but without evidence, such assertions are completely meaningless. I ultimately think that, like a lot of things, most people just find it icky and think that gives them the right to tell everyone else that they can't do it. But doing so is completely knee-jerk and reactionary, and it's not how a free society works. It's not simply feelings of "icky"-ness (as you put it) that causes people to not agree with lolicon animations. There is a moral responsibility that we all hold as fellow human beings to protect those within our societies which may not be able to protect themselves and whom may be easily targeted by those whom may have greater power (whether that be in knowledge, money, etc) than they do e.g. such as the poor, the disable, children, minority groups, etc etc. Lolicon genres depict a blatant misuse of power where adult men sexually take advantage of children for their own pleasures while ignoring ALL the gross consequences which their actions will have on that developing child's mental state of mind and over well being. Most of the time those whom have encountered such abuse look for a way of escapism whether that be through drugs or other destructive behaviours but which normally all lead to suicide or a spiralling self destructive life style if they do not get the correct help. Lolicon glorifies one aspect and glosses over the rest, and removes just how horrible such a behaviour is on that particular child. I urge EVERYONE to go research into child molestation victims if you think I'm just pulling shit out of my arse, and then come back and try and justify such acts or try and justify how such the glorification of such acts through animation, writings or any other medium is "ok" or how it doesn't "matter". As I said before research psychology, propaganda and human behaviours and also research past societies where people have been laid to commit atrocious acts upon other groups. It starts off incremintally, it is a seed, an idea that is planted. In nazi germany, Goebbles (Hitler's "spin doctor") used cartoons to start planting seeds of hate and mistrust towards Jews. They used cartoons that depicted Jews as lesser beings, as people who should not be given any rights as those whom are in effect wothless to society. And yes, this had an affect on the people and desensitized them to the idea of such things actually being done to actual Jews. It may act like an outlet but it also acts as a gateway to fantasies involving real life children. This is not just soemthing which is just another fad, but is a genre which is pretty dark when one takes the time to really look at it. |
AmberRoseDec 29, 2014 11:53 AM
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Gotsupermilk said: TheConquerer said: Then I guess I'm crazy.No but you're clearly mentally deranged if find either to be enjoyable or fantasize about them. people think about that all the time even ive fantasized murdering somebody thousands of times and i dislike gore in general ive also fantasized about being in space, does that make me an astronaut? seriously... You're not a pedophile or whatever as long as you control yourself and know whats right and whats wrong and if you like kids then so be it |
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Paulo27 said: TheConquerer said: People who have fun playing violent video games have mental problems. No but you're clearly mentally deranged if find either to be enjoyable or fantasize about them. Noted. Don't you think there's a difference between enjoying the murder of civilians and playing a cod game? If not then you might have some problems. |
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