If you found Fate/stay night subpar, is Fate/zero still worth watching?

fst said:
I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, but you've just demonstrated that that was a mistake, so much for that.

nocorras said:
How is Shirou gutless? He's quite willing to die for his ideals and save someone else over himself. If you want to call him foolish for not valuing himself over others then that's fine. He fought in his belief in his ideals.

If anyone is gutless it's Kerry for never trying to adapt and not murder everyone he comes across.

SwordHand said:


Can somebody explain to me what constitutes a secondary anyways? I've seen the term thrown around, but never really understood what it meant.

Kirua- said:
I think it has a darker vibe (that I probably get because there's no single school appearing in F/Z,
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CookingPriest said:
Zero is a puddle of black paint that creates illusion of depth that way.

FSN is an ocean of clear clear water, that becomes dark from its own depth.

Aurioch said:


First episode.

Clock tower.

Kayneth teaches students.

Waver is a student.

School pretty much?

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
Your opinion.........sure. But why are you so hell bent on proving it a a fact when it's not?

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
Besides i have my doubt whether you have "read" anything other than FZ at all.

Kirua- said:


Proving it a fact? what

I haven't said anything that could be proved a fact anyway. I've merely uttered my opinion.


Deal with it.

Kirua- said:

That's an academy about magic. Yeah, pretty much still a school but... c'mon, you know what I mean. The atmosphere is completely different.


Proving it a fact? what

I haven't said anything that could be proved a fact anyway. I've merely uttered my opinion.


Deal with it.

SwordHand said:


He's literally 1 vs all atm. Cut him a break. It's hard to keep cool when you're swamped from all sides.

Guilek said:

Here school with children in F/Z :
http://anime.astronerdboy.com/wp-content/uploads/blogger/-zMGC_PxnGHo/Tt4laVt_oQI/AAAAAAAAYNo/QBS5Ln_I5wo/s1600/x2%2BKotone%2Band%2BRin%2Bwith%2Bpapers.jpg

Dragon_Slayer_X said:


Dude logic and facts don't work with Secondaries...........don't you know?

nocorras said:

Agreed, he's given his position and opinions. No reason someone isn't allowed to like F/Z over FSN if they've read the VN. Some people just have different preferences and apparently Fate/Zero fits him.

Kirua- said:

I didn't deserve it.


Fair point. I think I could have worded it better. What I meant is that Shiro tries not to hurt anyone if possible.

And yes, that resist annoys me about him, and that's what's weird about me as well.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:


That much is quite clear, but his "issue" and "wording" about FSN could have been better. Shirou is gutless..........seriously?

nocorras said:


Eh, I called him on it and he admitted he should have worded it better. It's kind of hard to argue 5+v1.

Kirua- said:

That's an academy about magic. Yeah, pretty much still a school but... c'mon, you know what I mean. The atmosphere is completely different.

nocorras said:


Eh, I called him on it and he admitted he should have worded it better. It's kind of hard to argue 5+v1.

nocorras said:


Maybe he skips the Rin episode on rewatch. I know I did.

Guilek said:

It look like a school to me : http://anime.astronerdboy.com/wp-content/uploads/blogger/-zMGC_PxnGHo/Tt4laVt_oQI/AAAAAAAAYNo/QBS5Ln_I5wo/s1600/x2%2BKotone%2Band%2BRin%2Bwith%2Bpapers.jpg
(F/Z is awesome for me and Fsn too.)

BotatoPriest said:
]Basically someone who never read the source and starts judging it(the source material) based on an adaptation (usually before it even ends, but in Fate/'s case it's DEENight), in turn making laughable criticisms. And it's not limited to Fate/, we just started using it a shit ton more a few months back.

In short, people who don't know what they are talking about.

CookingPriest said:


I would never d o.

That is literally the only part where Zero anime is superior to Zero LN.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:


Dude logic and facts don't work with Secondaries...........don't you know?

Kirua- said:

lolshit, you got me

my only excuse is... I can forgive it for that one time? idk


> laughable criticism

You made yourself sound like a blind fanboy. You don't have to protect an Anime you love from another one who likes it, because the other fun doesn't think it's perfect. Don't take everything so personally.

Kirua- said:

lolshit, you got me

my only excuse is... I can forgive it for that one time? idk


> laughable criticism

You made yourself sound like a blind fanboy. You don't have to protect an Anime you love from another one who likes it, because the other fun doesn't think it's perfect. Don't take everything so personally.

fst said:


You mean aside from the part where the pictures move?

HentaiPriest said:
Calling Shirou gutless is laughable criticism.
Saying the atmosphere isn't dark because of school is laughable criticism.

Saying that FZ fits more your taste isnt laughable criticism because it isnt criticism and wont receive flames.

But NOOOOO, everyone wants to make their taste a fact.

Kirua- said:

So basically, I've said that I prefer F/Z over F/SN, and that only. Then I got the response that it's meaningless if I wouldn't give my reasons. But any reason is laughable criticism apparently, so theoretically I'm fucked either way, whether I specify or not.

I never made my taste a fact. How often did I say "To me" or "In my opinion"? This proves you feel offended by my opinion and totally forgot it's merely an opinion, and try to pass it off as an attempt of making my taste a fact.

I've sait that I prefer F/Z. I got asked why, and I answered. I stated that it's just my opinion, that it might be weird, that you might not agree, but you act like this is World War III. If you don't agree, then that's fine.

I agree that my taste and my reasoning might be a bit off sometimes, but that's just how I am. If you don't agree, then don't overdramaticize everything and move on. Is it that difficult?

Kirua- said:
Fate/Zero and Fate/stay night are like two different Anime. The atmosphere is completely different, and F/Z is much deeper and better thought-out. So yeah, F/Z is definitely superior. F/SN is just ranked higher so far because of the hype. Once it's done, it's going to be around ~#40-60. I'd say, give F/Z a go.

caperock said:
F/Z had different atmosphere compared to F/SN.
Haven't read VN neither do I care about it, but so far F/SN has failed to impress me personally, there's just nothing outstanding about it.
Truth be told I doubt that I'd even be watching this show if it didn't had the F/ name.
All again, this is my own personal opinion, don't get upset keyboard warriors.

nocorras said:


Round 2.

Fight.

caperock said:
F/Z had different atmosphere compared to F/SN.
Haven't read VN neither do I care about it, but so far F/SN has failed to impress me personally, there's just nothing outstanding about it.
Truth be told I doubt that I'd even be watching this show if it didn't had the F/ name.
All again, this is my own personal opinion, don't get upset keyboard warriors.

mira-lala said:
I'm surprised, no love for best route. Oh well, the fun is yet to begin *licks lips* my body is ready.

caperock said:
Yeah, it was also hentai game from what I've head with some pretty explicit content.
That's not something I like.
I quite don't get the hype behind the Type Moon series either, Kara no Kyōkai was supposedly extremely good too, I found it rather boring though, except for the 5th movie.
So as far as the Type Moon series go, from what I;ve seen, F/Z is my personal favorite.

CorePriest said:


Almost.

KachidokiPriest said:
Trigger, off

SwordHand said:

The criticisms of schools is one thing I'll never get. Whenever a youtuber or reviewer tries to use it as a way to show that a show is immature, it just seems like a young adult constantly telling themself "I'm not a kid anymore."

You probably have different reasons for disliking the school setting though.

caperock said:


What is that supposed to mean?
If you can't handle clear personal opinions you should grow a thicker skin, it's a good thing to have in real life too.
As far as the show goes, if you like it, that's fine, I have nothing against it, and neither should you be upset over what I said.

BotatoPriest said:
How I wish World Trigger was being adapted by a different studio.

caperock said:
Yeah, it was also hentai game from what I've head with some pretty explicit content.
That's not something I like.

-Shuda- said:
They're all shit, go watch Shingetsutan Tsukihime instead.

BotatoPriest said:
You won't get your Good End, Last Episode, or ArcherXSaber pairing, if that's what you mean.

Then again certain future events may very well be ArcherXSaber for you, considering your... AHEM.. Sadistic tendencies...

-Shuda- said:
They're all shit, go watch Shingetsutan Tsukihime instead.

Aurioch said:


Having sex scenes =/= hentai game.
There are 2 sex scenes in Fate route, 2 in UBW (iirc) and 2-3 in HF route (also iirc). And all those are removed (but restoreable if one wishes to) and replaced with alternate scenes in Realta Nua version, which is all-ages version (sort of).

Also, violence is counted as "explicit content" as well, something Fate/Zero has as well in roughly the same or a little greater amounts than Fate/Zero.

Kirua- said:


> laughable criticism

HentaiPriest said:

FZ had pretty explicit content as well...with lolis.

Try harder.