Neko Chat 9

Ardanaz said:
@Tyrantarmy6: That sounds lame :P

Tyrantarmy6 said:


It's really annoying to work with, yes :3

Ardanaz said:
*pats* :3
It'll be okay <3

Tyrantarmy6 said:


I've finished work on today's newsletter for now so at least that's good :3
Now I'm just working on some small changes to another site :3

So what are you doing? :3

Ardanaz said:
Sounds fun :3
Not much. Trying to fix a weird bug in my A/B test. a variable has a certain value in the debugger, but prints something else in the html. Weird shit lmao

Tyrantarmy6 said:


That sounds weird indeed. Cache can be a real pain in the butt as well. Like, why does this not work? Busy for god knows how long trying all kinds of things, and then it turns out it's the cache xD

Ardanaz said:
Oh God I've had that so many times lmao.
Now I always do Ctrl+ F5 when refreshing so I don't get that shit anymore.

Tyrantarmy6 said:


That too, but I'm talking about full blown html caching. Like having to clear server side files before anything happens on the front end. We've even had sites where we had 2 caches on top of one another for god knows what reason. Those were especially fun. You thought you cleaned the cache, and still nothing happens xD

Tyrantarmy6 said:
That too, but I'm talking about full blown html caching. Like having to clear server side files before anything happens on the front end. We've even had sites where we had 2 caches on top of one another for god knows what reason. Those were especially fun. You thought you cleaned the cache, and still nothing happens xD

Tyrantarmy6 said:
That should at least be the case :3

Aside from the golem they at least also got something else as a gift upon conquering nazarick. The throne of kings which is a world class item. It's the throne ainz always sits upon in the throne room on the 10th floor. It's a weak item compared to other world class items as the only known effect it has is some unknown buff when sitting on it. However, it does protect nazarick and all within it against the effects of other world class items :3
Did you expect them to be weaker? xD

Maybe both? Sometimes I'm busy all evening watching some anime, sometimes its programming and sometimes its just watching youtube stuff and chatting in discord :3

Nah, it's just used for storage like for example all recorded footage in its unedited form :3

Well, if she really is pregnant then I'll just assume that either the father is nagisa, or she got raped as it's also pretty obvious she still loves nagisa and isn't married :P

Gator said:
So what's next then? Since I finished AssClass yesterday I'll probably watch Tokyo Ghoul II and Owarimonogatari II :3

Plutia said:

Tokyo Ghoul please :3

Also @Tyrantarmy6 I did play DDLC.. xD

Gator said:
I started both yesterday, watched two episodes of TG2 and one episode Owarimonogatari 2. Tokyo Ghoul was much easier to understand as expected xD

I think you playing it is one of the reasons why Steam always recommends that game to me ^^

Plutia said:
Of course.. xD
You will see lots of fight on season 2.. :3

It's quite popular anyway, also indeed a good VN.. :3

Gator said:
First episode was pretty interesting yeah, lots of stuff happened. Did you like it? I heard a lot of bad things about Tokyo Ghoul 2, Tyrant doesn't seem to like it either :o

And I heard it's free which still surprises me. So much work and they don't even sell it ^^

Plutia said:
I prefer first season because the story is more interesting than in second season.. :P
Also the ending on s2 doesn't make much sense

Yep it's free-to-play.
They have paid DLC that cost only a dollar (I think) if they want to support the developer.. :3

Plutia said:
Since I don't works on website programmer, how big this cache is?? :3

Gator said:
Yahallo~ :3

So did we get all those infos about the throne and where the golem comes from in the volumes that got covered already in the anime? If so they should at least have mentioned those somewhere and rather cut some Lizardmen content tbh xD
Normally even the really strong characters in an anime get bested at some point, especially if they are acquaintances of the protagonist. But the floor guardians just seem way too strong for about everyone else ^^

Never thought you would be such a discord fan as well, weren't you kinda opposed to it some time ago? :3

I see, guess you at least would have enough storage room then since sourcecode is way smaller than videos :3

I doubt anyone could rape her though. Still makes it kinda mysterious that she and Nagisa haven't met for a while despite that :>

Plutia said:
Also @Tyrantarmy6 I did play DDLC.. xD

Gator said:
So far Kaneki's decision in episode 1 doesn't make much sense either

Tyrantarmy6 said:
What do you mean how big it is? It's a cache that stores all css, js and html on the server as files and retrieves them directly without regenerating anything until you clear the cache :3
How much space that takes on the server depends on the site :3

Tyrantarmy6 said:

Did you like it? :3

Plutia said:
Of course I like it.. xD

Best girl :3

Tyrantarmy6 said:
Ohayou~ :3

Nope, none of that was mentioned in the anime :3
Yeah, but in this case the new world just isn't at that level xD

Nah, I just couldn't be bothered creating an account for it and all just like how I also couldn't be bothered creating an account on MAL for like 3 years either :3

Not counting the images that is. We have some sites that have dozens of gb worth of images on there ^^

So how're you doing today? :3

Plutia said:
I agree with this.. xD

Tyrantarmy6 said:
Good. I don't get why everyone is always all about yuri xD
But be careful not to let 'her' hear you say that :P

Gator said:
Though it's been a while since I watched the first season so I had no idea what is happening anyway xD

Gator said:
I meant we should've gotten that info by now though, yeah? They really should stop spending time on stuff nobody wants to see ^^
Though brainwashed Shalltear was a difficult obstacle, but the only one so far :3

I just tried to replace Teamspeak with it, since with Discord we don't need to set up a server. But somehow the quality is not nearly as good ^^;

You should have a least a few TBs of space there, right? :3

I'm all alone in the office today, so pretty chill at work. Owarimonogatari 2 started off pretty confusing, but still good. Else just looking forward to the weekend, more time to sleep ^^
How about you?

Plutia said:
So who is your best girl? xD

Plutia said:
I don't either, but I do remember a dude turned into somekind of man-eating zombie, and fight something.. xD

Tyrantarmy6 said:
The stuff with the throne of kings should've been in season 1 iirc :3
Then again, I rated it a 6 also because of the information they cut out :3
For example, what do you think happened to the sunlight scripture at the end of episode 4? xD

I don't know what the sound quality of teamspeak is supposed to be, but I haven't found any problems with it thus far. Sounds much better than skype at least :3

But we neither want to get source code on a server that's meant for video content, nor does that server have all that much space left :3

What, is the rest all in a remote meeting or something? xD
I'm doing fine as well I guess. Yesterday I spent a little more time programming. Then again, all I accomplished yesterday is to refactor the user, role and permission entities to be structured a bit better. I still need to make a service to retrieve user permissions, a permission voter and unit tests :3

Tyrantarmy6 said:
I'm a bit torn choosing between her, and 'her' xD

Gator said:
Oh and there were more people with purple hair like that French idiot and Kaneki's girlfriend xD

Gator said:
I only remember that purple-haired chick who unfortunately died in episode 1 and Kaneki being a wuss. Oh and there were more people with purple hair like that French idiot and Kaneki's girlfriend xD

Gator said:
I see, though I assume the throne never had any impact on the story so far? :3
Sunlight scripture? xD

Never used Skype, but I tried Discord with a friend and it just didn't feel right. Luckily we know one who set up a Teamspeak server we can use :3

Well as long as it worked in the past I guess it's alright, I wouldn't want to work without any version control anymore though ^^

Nah, a few are ill and most of them took the day off to have a long weekend since we get half the day of next Tuesday for free :3
Nice some refactoring. That's actually one of my favourite tasks in a project, I like it when I make my code all neat and clean again. Since at some point it will always get messy the more complex your algorithms are xD

Plutia said:
Lol, what a great way to describe them.. xD

Tyrantarmy6 said:
First of all, that french idiot is tsukiyama, best character in the show xD
And I don't think touka would agree with your statement of being his girlfriend :P


Yeah, thus far it hasn't had any impact :3
These dudes :P


What didn't feel right then? The way you use it? :3

I mean, it would probably be better to use version control, but at the very least that won't happen until we actually use a proper system. So no wordpress xD

What's next tuesday? Another holiday? :P
I mean, functionally these classes aren't of much use yet, but I wanted to at least make them implement some interfaces and what not as I was first only testing how I'm supposed to use these to manipulate the database :3

Gator said:
Oh right you liked that gourmet guy... for whatever reason xD
Of coruse she wouldn't but I don't really have anything else to call her somehow. At least the animation was clearly a bit chunky in the first episoes :3

Guess it's forgivable then :3
Oh them, yeah that was the best scene so far in Overlord. I rewatched that so many times <3

Nah the sound was just weird, not really clear. Also a bit laggy :3

Why's that, you can use wordpress with SVN or GIT as well. No reason to wait ^^

"Faschingsdienstag", yes. It's not really a holiday, only public servants get half the day off :>
Or you could just do it like our predecessors and change the classes of a library directly so you'll never be able to upgrade the version again xD

Tyrantarmy6 said:
But he's fun to watch, the crazy bastard xD
Ah right I see now. You've started watching route A... that season is pretty terrible. It's a half assed mix between filler and canon. I mean, if you're going to make it filler, at least go all the way ^^
It really makes me wonder what they're gonna do with the :re adaptation as they'd either have to ignore the existance of route A, or they'd have to f it up just as much as route A :3

So as I asked already, what do you think actually happened to them after that scene in the LN? :3

I didn't find such problems with it. How long ago was this? :3

Nah, the framework we have on top of wordpress and the general way we build websites to begin with wouldn't mix well with it as it'd require us to completely change how we work. I mean, it'd be for the better, but it's not designed to make that type of work easy :3

Sasuga public servants. Too many free days, too many meetings, too little work :P
Nah, you misunderstand. I wrote some interfaces myself of which 1 extends 2 already existing interfaces of symfony. The functionality I'm trying to build here is to give me more finegrained permission controls than what symfony provides by default so it requires custom classes which means there are no classes to overwrite directly. Not that I'd do such a terrible thing even if there was though xD

Gator said:
To me he's just a freak so far who would do everything for a good sniff xD
Yup, watched season 1 a while ago so I forgot about a lot of stuff already. Thought I might as well finish Tokyo Ghoul by now, especially since I started Owarimonogatari 2 as well to compensate for the bad stuff :3
There will be coming another sequel? And here I hoped it would end there T_T

Well some died and some fled? :3

Hmm about one year ago maybe? Something like that ^^

Why would it not fit though? You can check in all kind of files, no matter how they are structured. After all it will just be a storage for stuff with history and everything :3

Good description, this is why I'm still in the job... minus the meetings xD
Extending two classes at once? That's not possible in Java, you can only implement as many as you want, but have to extend from only one. I know how that works from C++ though ^^

trait SomeTrait
{
     public function someMethod() {/* Do something... */}
}

class SomeClass extends SomeAbstractClass
{
     use SomeTrait;

     public function someOtherMethod() {/* Do something... */}
}

Tyrantarmy6 said:
Not just that, but he's also a good and loyal servant of kaneki's... to ridiculous levels xD
Yeah, and even in the manga :re is nowhere near as good as its prequel. Most of the time the art, layout and progression are next level confusing so you can't even make out what's going on in a panel, and I don't recognize most of the characters either :3

Nope, wrong xD
First of all, ainz had them surrounded by his minions in secret right? Do you really think he'd let any escape? :3
And secondly, while they did all die, it's not like how the anime made it look. In the LN he never even threw his quote back at him either. He just captured them alive and sent them to nazarick's torture chambers :3
Nigun, their captain for example was shown to be tortured by Neuronist Painkill who would hurt him in all kinds of ways like running nails up his... ehm... place, and what not, then heal him up again so he doesn't die and then do it over again :3
Ainz was a bit disappointed with them though as he failed to get much information out of them because they ended up breaking too quickly :3


They recently pushed an update with a newer audio codec so you could try to see if it's any better now :3

Sure, but we'd have to pull the site locally to work on it wouldn't we? We don't work that way right now so that would be a bit of a large change. If we were to switch to a proper object oriented system with more modern frontend techniques such as SASS and VueJS then I could probably convince my colleagues to work locally :3

What? I thought you loved the meetings xD
No, the interfaces extend 2 other interfaces. Just like in java you can't extend more than 1 class, but implement as many interfaces as you want. Interfaces can also extend as many other interfaces as you need :3
PHP does have so called Traits though as a means to somewhat deal with the single inheritance problems to allow for more code reuse :3

Gator said:


He is? Didn't he try to kill him in season 1? O_O
Great... guess I'll curse myself once again that I'll be forced to watch TG season 3 as well then xD

He did? Don't remember that part, wasn't it just him and Albedo? :o
Torture chamber? Which should've appeared in season 1? Damnit don't ruin my perfect view on season 1 T_T
I can see why they deemed it to graphic though to show it in the anime. That panel looks quite disturbing xD

Hmm maybe I'll do that next time I play with him. Or I could try to download the client, so far I only used the web interface :3

Not necessarily, you can also keep working directly on the server and just check-in those files in the repository :3 Though I don't get why anyone would not want to work locally instead xD

Suuuuure, meeting from 9 AM to 16:30 PM are great T_T
So extending is the same as implementing in PHP? :3
I see, in Java this gets mostly solved by implementing more interfaces I think. Though there are a multitude of solutions for that, like adding a class which holds those objects you need :3

Tyrantarmy6 said:
I has returned~ :3

So do I :3


Yes he did :3
Then why don't you do it more like me and only watch what you actually want to? I mean, I'm not gonna torture myself with any more ikkitousen xD

Iirc it was also mentioned in the anime. Either way it was just a mention where he told albedo, or was it some other guardian, to surround them with stealth monsters so they can't escape :3
Yeah, and I also just remembered a little detail. They weren't only tortured and questioned by neuronist painkill like that. In the lizardmen arc it was also mentioned that demiurge was conducting some human experiments on them. Here's some stuff he had to say to albedo about said experiments xD


Yeah, I don't know the web interface, but I can imagine that that version wouldn't be as good as the client :3

Well, when we start working on a new website we already create the hosting account and what not for it. At that point the DNS hasn't been done yet so you can't access the website with the eventual domain name yet so we use an internal DNS with like a custom domain ending (.com etc) that works like an alias. This way the other colleagues can look at the website too, as can the client once we tell them the url :3

No it's not. A class can only extend another class and only implement an interface. An interface can extend other interfaces. An interface doesn't actually implement anything, as it's just a contract for those classes that implement it so you can obviously only implement it. An interface can extend other interfaces so implementing that class also implements the contract of the other interface unless you overwrote any of it with that implementing interface :3

A trait is mainly used when you have some functionality that is used the exact same way across multiple different classes, but these classes already extend another class that shouldn't have those features. The main difference is that a class using a trait isn't an instance of that trait like with extending classes or implementing interfaces. This also means you can't say overwrite the trait methods and call the "parent" method because it is no parent to begin with :3

Gator said:
Why are fat animals so great? xD


That's a strange definition of "loyal" there xD
Because... I can't just stop like that? What if it gets better? Or if they introduce a busty character next? :>

Hmm still weird to leave it out that they actually caught them. To an anime only viewer it looked like they might've run away :o
That LN is really twisted, makes the anime look like Non Non Biyori in comparison. Demiurge reminds me of some real life "doctors" from before 1945 there O_O

Odd that it never occured to me that I should try out the client for that though, sasuga boku xD

I almost asked again how you work together on one server, but then I remembered again that you only work on a project by yourself. I guess in that case it is a possible concept, though I'd still prefer testing on my local machien :3

So it's the same concept as in Java then, I see. Wonder why multiple inheritance is such a rare concept, I mean it obviously has its advantages. Maybe it's just too much of a complex topic like pointers :3

Reminds me a bit of structs in C, which were used to simulate inheritance and OOP in a procedural language. Kinda surprised that PHP has so many OOP concepts though, I always thought it's the ugly brother of JavaScript somehow ^^

Tyrantarmy6 said:


No, his loyalty comes after xD
You don't need to worry about that, it won't :P

It never occured to me though that they could've escaped because I thought it was made quite obvious that ainz wouldn't allow them :3
I told you didn't I that the anime cut out quite a lot of content and that the LN is quite a bit darker? And what happens in volume 7 is probably the most twisted of all volumes up to this point xD
Ainz's famous hug to Clementine too is quite a bit more gruesome in the LN where it's described how first her entire stomache's contents were vomited over his face and how in the end she basically had her intestines coming out of her mouth :3

I wouldn't usually think of trying out voice/video chats in a web browser xD

I can see that, but we also work a lot on minor changes and bug fixes etc on projects we haven't worked on for quite some time. Pulling an entire website local to make a small change seems a bit annoying :3

Maybe they disallow multiple inheritence because they're afraid of it causing people to do very nasty things? :3
Well, a lot of these are pretty new concepts in PHP. Back in php 4 we didn't have any at all. In php 5 they introduced the first features like simple classes. Then in php 7 (they skipped php 6 and we're currently in php 7.2) they added things like more type hinting, return types, void return type, nullable type hinting, object type hinting etc :3

Gator said:


So is he already loyal in the beginning of season 2? I don't remember him liking Kaneki at all :3
Eh, now I started TG2 already though... maybe I'll stop after that like with Boruto xD

We never saw their corpses either though, so I just assumed :3
Unfortunately we definitely won't get to volume 7 thsi season, though in season 3 it should happen if we ever get that one ^^
She vomitted over his face? I can't imagine him being pleased by that though, why would he still continue squeezing her then? xD

I think at the time I started with Discord it had no Linux client yet, so there was no choice :3

Quite interesting that this workflow is working out for you. I guess in small projects this definitely works faster than with a repository :3

No matter what programming language, you can always do really really nasty things though ^^
They skipped PHP 6? So they can't count like nVidia and Microsoft as well? Geforce GTX 460 -> Geforce GTX 660, Windows 8 -> Windows 10 xD

Tyrantarmy6 said:


Not sure when exactly it was in the story, but it was at least after season 1 :3
Then again, season 2 is completely different from the manga. For example, kaneki doesn't just get interrupted like that and then joins aogiri like in the anime xD
In the manga he basically went a tad bit insane because of Yamori so he did some less than nice things to touka's brother :3


I doubt we'll ever get to see a season 3 though. It's already a miracle that we got a 2nd season xD
It was more towards the end of the hug. Afterwards he just cleaned himself using the Infinite Flask :3
It's a magic water vessel that produces a constant and infinite flow of pure water :3


Well it does now. I do notice though that some windows mainly applications like discord and steam use their own internal update mechanism rather than linux's repositories/ppas :3

I do think we should eventually at least look into that kind of workflow though :3

Yeah, but maybe it caused more problems in the past or something that they didn't want? :3
If I'm correct they were supposed to release php 6, but ended up skipping it due to issues with utf-8 stuff they were working on which went horribly wrong or something :3
Apparently they were already working on it in 2006 and only became apparent that it wasn't going to happen in 2009-2010 :3

Gator said:


Wait, Kaneki doesn't join Aogiri in the manga? I was wondering what the fuck he is doing, but that actually didn't even happen? xD
That makes way more sense actually, I mean why would he join him after he attacked Touka? Makes no sense at all... ^^

You said the same about season 2, so there's still hope... even though it might lead to disappointment >:3
Oh that thing is a special item? I don't remember that, what did he do with it in the anime? :o

Yeah, though that's something that doesn't really bother me. At least they haven an automatic update function so it's all good. As long as I don't need to manually update it, it's fine :3

Do you think that will happen any time soon after working like that for so long? ^^

It's possible in C++ though which is one of the most widely used programming languages :3
Weird to just skip a release like that though. Which is another point for the naming schema of projects like Ubuntu. Just name it 18.02 if it comes out in February for example :3

Tyrantarmy6 said:


Yeah, and the second season is full of that sh*t. They filled it with that kind of nonsense, and then took a few epic moments from the anime, totally butchered them and put them in completely out of context :3

I'm at least not going to expect madhouse to do a part 3 when they normally don't even do sequels at all :3
Even in the LN it was used only twice. Once to clean himself after killing Clementine, and the other was to pour some water for Aura and Mare after they defeated his primal fire elemental in episode 1 :3

Sure, it's not too bad. But I do like the idea of having all updates appear in 1 and the same place without all dem update popups you get left, right and center like in windows :3

Doubt it :3

C++ and PHP can't really be compared though. PHP isn't even a compiled language. It's more comparable with python, ruby and perl like that. Though Ruby is quite different too in terms of its syntax sugar and what not, and I don't know perl :3

Yeah, but it's not like it matters really. PHP 7 is like twice as fast as 5.6 which is the release before it, and 7.1 and 7.2 are both slightly faster still so that's good :3

Gator said:


I see. Once again I'm glad that I don't read the manga so this might be at least a bit more enjoyable for me then xD

Maybe a part 3 is no problem for them once they made that sweet second season though? :3
I'm not sure if I should be amazed or a bit mad how he uses times like that only such few times. I mean was it even worth putting it in then with that little impact? ^^

Well in case of Steam it just updates it self while starting which doesn't really make a difference. Is it different in Discord? :3

You can always compare the syntax though, but I guess in that case PHP also looks more like HTML + JS. Never used Ruby though, but I do know Perl and Python :3

I think it has just a nice touch that you know exactly how old a version is once you look at the version number. 7.2 could be two years old or two months, have to look it up to know ^^

Tyrantarmy6 said:


You don't need to have read the manga to know it's crap though xD
Have you heard that opening? I don't remember if I've ever seen a worse one :P

That would depend on how well it sells in japan and of course the anime gods :3
There's plenty of items in the series that aren't used a lot inside the anime. I mean, is there a need to use such an item over and over again? :3

Not for as far as I know. Normally it just updates automatically on startup, but I have noticed a few times where it would tell me an update is available to ask me to install it, and then fails to install, making me install it manually with a deb file ^^

Now that's something I have to disagree with. Just because you can use html/css/js inside of php doesn't make it look like a markup language that doesn't even have a concept of logic in it let alone OOP xD

On the other hand though it also means you have no idea of knowing how many versions there have been. I mean, with semantic versioning it's not suddenly gonna start at version 8, while with 18.02 and what not you have no idea how old the thing is. 15.05? 10.2? 8? 2? 94? :3

Gator said:


Oh god that opening... I think it's literally the worst one I've ever heard. I mean that girl can't sing for shit and all the instruments are so out of sync xD

How well did season 1 sell in Japan though? I assume not that great? :3
But they also don't get used a lot in the manga as well? I mean if that water wouldn't have been there, literally nothing would've changed, right? ^^

Hmm that's kind of annoying then. Can you use it if it's not updated or are you forced to update? Might try that client later this weekend :3

The PHP I know reminds me more of XML than of C though, which makes it seem more like a markup language to me at least. Iirc I used it mostly between HTML in college :3

You also do not have any idea how many versions there were with the other schema, only of how many major versions there are. But since they should be a fixed amount of major versions in the year anyway that shouldn't be a problem either way :3

Tyrantarmy6 said:


And the visuals don't help either xD

Don't know, but at least it sold well enough for a second season :3
It's just an item he can take out of his inventory to use. If anything it might have changed how Aura and Mare's first impressions went and what ainz would've done after clementine vomited over him :3
It's not like every single item in the story must have an important purpose :3

It forced me to update if I'm correct. At the very least, restarting the application just brought the message up again :3
This has only happend like 2 times so far though :3

XML? But php doesn't even have those kinds of tags in it. In symfony for example you by default don't even write any html inside the php to begin with. Symfony uses a templating language called twig for the rendering of html pages :3
You might write something like a string to output an input field from within a twig function or something at most :3

Gator said:
So far they really don't, I assume it won't get any better either ^^;

Well he just could've get water a different way for Aura and Mare and clean himself with a spell maybe after the mess with Clementine. I think nothing would've changed :3
Hmm I read somewhere about storytelling that everything you introduce should have a deeper meaning. So even if there's just a detailed piece of furniture in the background, it should be put to user later on. Probably works really well with some art styles like Monogatari ^^

Sounds not too bad, though not desirable either. Wonder if that happens with Windows as well, since I'll probably use it there more often :3

It's just what I remember from using it, maybe it just comes down to the fact that I always used it inline in HTML. Will probably never get really into it though since I'm already not that interested in web development in the first place and my current project will keep me occupied for some years xD

Plutia said:
QUICK GUYS! WE NEED TO GO DEEPER!!

Plutia said:
QUICK GUYS! WE NEED TO GO DEEPER!!