Who is the strongest servant in Fate-verse?
| Much as it pains me to say it, Gilgamesh is easily the strongest of the Servants seen throughout the Fate franchise. If the King of Heroes weren't so full of himself and took battles more seriously, it is claimed by Kinoko Nasu that he could single-handedly win the Holy Grail War in a matter of hours. As for Shikis against Servants, Tohno/ Nanaya fries his brain trying to comprehend their existence while Ryougi could at best do a defensive fight and share mutual destruction from being in a prana explosion from stripping away the Servant's physical form with Mystic Eyes of Death Perception. |
ggultra2764Jul 15, 2012 11:52 AM
| Fourth War: Gilgamesh > Alexander > or = Arturia = Lancelot > Gilles = or > Diarmuid > Hassan Fifth War: Heracles > Arturia > or = Cu Chulainn > Medusa > EMIYA > Medea = or > Kojiro This isn't taking account the 'matching' compatibilities of who beats who, mind you, more of the strength and value as heroic spirits Arturia = in 4th depends if she has access to Avalon. |
| ^There' actually the fact Diarmuid would have to directly hit Gae Bolg if he were to even try to cancel it anyway which is impossible. His luck is horrendous too so he won't have the same "missed by a little" result Saber had during his own encounter with Cu Chulainn. |
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NNick said: Ther's basically only been one Master capable of providing a big enough mana source to a Berserker and she was pretty much cheating since she wasn't a human. Well, technically two Masters but the other one "cheated" too.F/Z Berserker + Endless Mana Source => ? |
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NNick said: F/Z Berserker + Endless Mana Source => ? Give a car a plane's worth of fuel and it still wont fly at supersonic speed. The only thing Lancelot's going on for him is insane stats and an useful ability. In terms of pure destructive power/AOE he's got none to use all that prana in. |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
BloodRequiem said: Actually, he does need all that prana to keep his sword running. That's precisely why he died, he ran out of it while using his sword.NNick said: F/Z Berserker + Endless Mana Source => ? Give a car a plane's worth of fuel and it still wont fly at supersonic speed. The only thing Lancelot's going on for him is insane stats and an useful ability. In terms of pure destructive power/AOE he's got none to use all that prana in. |
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Leon-Gun said: BloodRequiem said: Actually, he does need all that prana to keep his sword running. That's precisely why he died, he ran out of it while using his sword.NNick said: F/Z Berserker + Endless Mana Source => ? Give a car a plane's worth of fuel and it still wont fly at supersonic speed. The only thing Lancelot's going on for him is insane stats and an useful ability. In terms of pure destructive power/AOE he's got none to use all that prana in. Arondight didn't do much for him to be honest. All it boosted was his mana and luck. |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
BloodRequiem said: Leon-Gun said: BloodRequiem said: Actually, he does need all that prana to keep his sword running. That's precisely why he died, he ran out of it while using his sword.NNick said: F/Z Berserker + Endless Mana Source => ? Give a car a plane's worth of fuel and it still wont fly at supersonic speed. The only thing Lancelot's going on for him is insane stats and an useful ability. In terms of pure destructive power/AOE he's got none to use all that prana in. Arondight didn't do much for him to be honest. All it boosted was his mana and luck. What? Arondight increases all of his parameters by one rank. Since his combat parameters were already A ranked, it just gets worse from there. P.S While it wasn't explained in the Anime, Lancelot could only use his sword for ten seconds. Saber was almost killed in those ten seconds. |
SagaraYuzuru said: BloodRequiem said: Leon-Gun said: BloodRequiem said: Actually, he does need all that prana to keep his sword running. That's precisely why he died, he ran out of it while using his sword.NNick said: F/Z Berserker + Endless Mana Source => ? Give a car a plane's worth of fuel and it still wont fly at supersonic speed. The only thing Lancelot's going on for him is insane stats and an useful ability. In terms of pure destructive power/AOE he's got none to use all that prana in. Arondight didn't do much for him to be honest. All it boosted was his mana and luck. What? Arondight increases all of his parameters by one rank. Since his combat parameters were already A ranked, it just gets worse from there. P.S While it wasn't explained in the Anime, Lancelot could only use his sword for ten seconds. Saber was almost killed in those ten seconds. It boosts all parameters but he doesn't receive a boost for A ranked stats since A is the highest rank. Therefore he only benefit in terms of mana and luck. |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
SagaraYuzuru said: BloodRequiem said: Leon-Gun said: BloodRequiem said: Actually, he does need all that prana to keep his sword running. That's precisely why he died, he ran out of it while using his sword.NNick said: F/Z Berserker + Endless Mana Source => ? Give a car a plane's worth of fuel and it still wont fly at supersonic speed. The only thing Lancelot's going on for him is insane stats and an useful ability. In terms of pure destructive power/AOE he's got none to use all that prana in. Arondight didn't do much for him to be honest. All it boosted was his mana and luck. What? Arondight increases all of his parameters by one rank. Since his combat parameters were already A ranked, it just gets worse from there. P.S While it wasn't explained in the Anime, Lancelot could only use his sword for ten seconds. Saber was almost killed in those ten seconds. I think the combat parameters cant be increased above A.So only mana and luck are increased.The + isnt exactly a rank. Still he only loses in NP stats to Saber.But Arondight deals more damage to Arturia due to her dragon attribute or something like this. If he had an average magus instead of Kariya as a Master ,Saber's Mana stat wouldnt mean anything.Uh one more second would be enough. Damn it Kariya..... |
ssjokg said: SagaraYuzuru said: BloodRequiem said: Leon-Gun said: BloodRequiem said: Actually, he does need all that prana to keep his sword running. That's precisely why he died, he ran out of it while using his sword.NNick said: F/Z Berserker + Endless Mana Source => ? Give a car a plane's worth of fuel and it still wont fly at supersonic speed. The only thing Lancelot's going on for him is insane stats and an useful ability. In terms of pure destructive power/AOE he's got none to use all that prana in. Arondight didn't do much for him to be honest. All it boosted was his mana and luck. What? Arondight increases all of his parameters by one rank. Since his combat parameters were already A ranked, it just gets worse from there. P.S While it wasn't explained in the Anime, Lancelot could only use his sword for ten seconds. Saber was almost killed in those ten seconds. I think the combat parameters cant be increased above A.So only mana and luck are increased.The + isnt exactly a rank. Still he only loses in NP stats to Saber.But Arondight deals more damage to Arturia due to her dragon attribute or something like this. If he had an average magus instead of Kariya as a Master ,Saber's Mana stat wouldnt mean anything.Uh one more second would be enough. Damn it Kariya..... I heard it was mentioned somewhere in the CM that Kariya is unnaturally talented as a master but his weakness was because he didn't receive any proper training. |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
BloodRequiem said: ssjokg said: SagaraYuzuru said: BloodRequiem said: Leon-Gun said: BloodRequiem said: Actually, he does need all that prana to keep his sword running. That's precisely why he died, he ran out of it while using his sword.NNick said: F/Z Berserker + Endless Mana Source => ? Give a car a plane's worth of fuel and it still wont fly at supersonic speed. The only thing Lancelot's going on for him is insane stats and an useful ability. In terms of pure destructive power/AOE he's got none to use all that prana in. Arondight didn't do much for him to be honest. All it boosted was his mana and luck. What? Arondight increases all of his parameters by one rank. Since his combat parameters were already A ranked, it just gets worse from there. P.S While it wasn't explained in the Anime, Lancelot could only use his sword for ten seconds. Saber was almost killed in those ten seconds. I think the combat parameters cant be increased above A.So only mana and luck are increased.The + isnt exactly a rank. Still he only loses in NP stats to Saber.But Arondight deals more damage to Arturia due to her dragon attribute or something like this. If he had an average magus instead of Kariya as a Master ,Saber's Mana stat wouldnt mean anything.Uh one more second would be enough. Damn it Kariya..... I heard it was mentioned somewhere in the CM that Kariya is unnaturally talented as a master but his weakness was because he didn't receive any proper training. Maybe you meant talented as a magus(who gave up his training so he become a shitty one)?Although one of my favs I just cant picture him as a talented master.Except for the fact hat he survived that long while his body was being destroyed by Berserker and the Worms. Shirou too is talented in Projection and has a RM(in the future or not).But he isnt exactly what you call a talented Master. If Kariya was sane he could have used his Seals for additional mana. |
| Kariya was a crappy Master, but he had potential as a Magus, that's why he managed to survive with the worms. Had he been trained properly he would have been a decent Master. That said, even a well-trained Kariya has no chance in comparison to Sakura, but Sakura had even more potential than Rin due to the fact she has the rare imaginary element which together with the curse skills from the Matou family would have made her extremely potent... if she had been trained properly instead of treated as a mere womb for a heir. Shirou sucks at being a Master and a mage in general. Even his future self does. He's an specialist, his talent lies in projection and ONLY projection, much in the same way Kiritsugu was only about average as a magus but was specially talented in using his Origin abilities and what he acquired from the Emiya Crest. |
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| Well I never said Shirou was a talented magus.He was talented for projection.Just that. |
ssjokg said: Just wanted to point out more clearly that being good at one kind of magic has nothing to do with proficiency at magic. After all, as cool as Kiritsugu is, he's an average magus at best (his Crest magic could even kill him after all).Well I never said Shirou was a talented magus.He was talented for projection.Just that. |
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| Gilgamesh overall would be the strongest, many things imply so, he's strong personality wise, and combat wise, and if he's strong at both of them then apparently he takes the cake. But Berserker (all versions lol), FSN Archer, and even Saber are fairly strong. |
Downgrade355 said: Gilgamesh overall would be the strongest, many things imply so, he's strong personality wise, and combat wise, and if he's strong at both of them then apparently he takes the cake. But Berserker (all versions lol), FSN Archer, and even Saber are fairly strong. FSN Lancer and FSN Rider are also pretty strong.Both of them have the same problem.Their Masters. |
ssjokg said: Downgrade355 said: Gilgamesh overall would be the strongest, many things imply so, he's strong personality wise, and combat wise, and if he's strong at both of them then apparently he takes the cake. But Berserker (all versions lol), FSN Archer, and even Saber are fairly strong. FSN Lancer and FSN Rider are also pretty strong.Both of them have the same problem.Their Masters. F/Z Rider is also pretty strong. Heck pretty much every servant is strong besides Fate/Zero assassin. |
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Ragna92 said: Well I guess we are talking about the top tier and since Medusa can instantly petrify Alexander that places him a bit under her.Although the same can be said about EMIYA too since he is heavily affected by her and would have big problems against Alexander's RM....ssjokg said: Downgrade355 said: Gilgamesh overall would be the strongest, many things imply so, he's strong personality wise, and combat wise, and if he's strong at both of them then apparently he takes the cake. But Berserker (all versions lol), FSN Archer, and even Saber are fairly strong. FSN Lancer and FSN Rider are also pretty strong.Both of them have the same problem.Their Masters. F/Z Rider is also pretty strong. Heck pretty much every servant is strong besides Fate/Zero assassin. I would say that both True Assassins suck.And Sasaki,if we look past his skill that is superior to everyone else,doesnt have anything else to use. |
| I was just wondering : They say in the novel (and probably the anime) that Rider's noble phantasm is same rank as Gilgamesh Babylon gate. But in that final battle between Archer and Rider, he draws EA and completely crush Rider. So logically, there was no reason for Archer/Tokiomi to be scared, and also the noble should be ranked lower? |
Philosophy and Anime, huh :) |
RobertL said: I was just wondering : They say in the novel (and probably the anime) that Rider's noble phantasm is same rank as Gilgamesh Babylon gate. But in that final battle between Archer and Rider, he draws EA and completely crush Rider. So logically, there was no reason for Archer/Tokiomi to be scared, and also the noble should be ranked lower? THe rank has nothing to do with it.EX rank just shows that the NP is too powerfull to be given one(as said in the series). Both EA and Ionioi Hetairoi are ranked EX but that doesnt mean that they have the same power. Ea's output at about 5% can push back Excalibur that is ranked A++.Ea's output during the fight with Rider is more than 5% and also uses the its anti-world property. more details: http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Rank#Parameters As for Tokiomi I dont think that he was scared after learning about Rider's NP.No comment about Gilgamesh. EDIT:And actually,Gate of Babylon's rank is E ~ A++.It's Ea,being included in GoB, that raises the rank to EX. |
ssjokgApr 17, 2013 1:32 PM
ssjokg said: RobertL said: I was just wondering : They say in the novel (and probably the anime) that Rider's noble phantasm is same rank as Gilgamesh Babylon gate. But in that final battle between Archer and Rider, he draws EA and completely crush Rider. So logically, there was no reason for Archer/Tokiomi to be scared, and also the noble should be ranked lower? THe rank has nothing to do with it.EX rank just shows that the NP is too powerfull to be given one(as said in the series). Both EA and Ionioi Hetairoi are ranked EX but that doesnt mean that they have the same power. Ea's output at about 5% can push back Excalibur that is ranked A++.Ea's output during the fight with Rider is more than 5% and also uses the its anti-world property. more details: http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Rank#Parameters As for Tokiomi I dont think that he was scared after learning about Rider's NP.No comment about Gilgamesh. EDIT:And actually,Gate of Babylon's rank is E ~ A++.It's Ea,being included in GoB, that raises the rank to EX. Thanks for the quick reply. But with Avalon then, as shown in FSN, Excalibur is stronger than EA? Or was he not using EA at full potential? (I don't remember the anime!) |
| Philosophy and Anime, huh :) |
RobertL said: ssjokg said: RobertL said: I was just wondering : They say in the novel (and probably the anime) that Rider's noble phantasm is same rank as Gilgamesh Babylon gate. But in that final battle between Archer and Rider, he draws EA and completely crush Rider. So logically, there was no reason for Archer/Tokiomi to be scared, and also the noble should be ranked lower? THe rank has nothing to do with it.EX rank just shows that the NP is too powerfull to be given one(as said in the series). Both EA and Ionioi Hetairoi are ranked EX but that doesnt mean that they have the same power. Ea's output at about 5% can push back Excalibur that is ranked A++.Ea's output during the fight with Rider is more than 5% and also uses the its anti-world property. more details: http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Rank#Parameters As for Tokiomi I dont think that he was scared after learning about Rider's NP.No comment about Gilgamesh. EDIT:And actually,Gate of Babylon's rank is E ~ A++.It's Ea,being included in GoB, that raises the rank to EX. Thanks for the quick reply. But with Avalon then, as shown in FSN, Excalibur is stronger than EA? Or was he not using EA at full potential? (I don't remember the anime!) Excalibur wasnt affected by Avalon at all.What happened in the original was Ea's blast being "negated" by Avalon, and Saber using that chance to use the same technique she use against FZ Lancer.She put all the mana from her armor into attacking Gilgamesh.Ea even in 100% wouldnt be able to hurt Saber while she is using Avalon simply because Saber is cut off from anything that happens in the world. Gilgamesh couldnt react because Ea was still spinning releasing its power. Saber didnt deflect Enuma Elish with Excalibur back at Gilgamesh as shown in the anime. |
ssjokgApr 18, 2013 3:34 AM
ssjokg said: RobertL said: ssjokg said: RobertL said: I was just wondering : They say in the novel (and probably the anime) that Rider's noble phantasm is same rank as Gilgamesh Babylon gate. But in that final battle between Archer and Rider, he draws EA and completely crush Rider. So logically, there was no reason for Archer/Tokiomi to be scared, and also the noble should be ranked lower? THe rank has nothing to do with it.EX rank just shows that the NP is too powerfull to be given one(as said in the series). Both EA and Ionioi Hetairoi are ranked EX but that doesnt mean that they have the same power. Ea's output at about 5% can push back Excalibur that is ranked A++.Ea's output during the fight with Rider is more than 5% and also uses the its anti-world property. more details: http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Rank#Parameters As for Tokiomi I dont think that he was scared after learning about Rider's NP.No comment about Gilgamesh. EDIT:And actually,Gate of Babylon's rank is E ~ A++.It's Ea,being included in GoB, that raises the rank to EX. Thanks for the quick reply. But with Avalon then, as shown in FSN, Excalibur is stronger than EA? Or was he not using EA at full potential? (I don't remember the anime!) Excalibur wasnt affected by Avalon at all.What happened in the original was Ea's blast being "negated" by Avalon, and Saber using that chance to use the same technique she use against FZ Lancer.She put all the mana from her armor into attacking Gilgamesh.Ea even in 100% wouldnt be able to hurt Saber while she is using Avalon simply because Saber is cut off from anything that happens in the world. Gilgamesh couldnt react because Ea was still spinning releasing it's power. Saber didnt deflect Enuma Elish with Excalibur back at Gilgamesh as shown in the anime. Thnx for the precision. Does that mean that Saber is unkillable when Avalon is with her? |
| Philosophy and Anime, huh :) |
RobertL said: ssjokg said: RobertL said: ssjokg said: RobertL said: I was just wondering : They say in the novel (and probably the anime) that Rider's noble phantasm is same rank as Gilgamesh Babylon gate. But in that final battle between Archer and Rider, he draws EA and completely crush Rider. So logically, there was no reason for Archer/Tokiomi to be scared, and also the noble should be ranked lower? THe rank has nothing to do with it.EX rank just shows that the NP is too powerfull to be given one(as said in the series). Both EA and Ionioi Hetairoi are ranked EX but that doesnt mean that they have the same power. Ea's output at about 5% can push back Excalibur that is ranked A++.Ea's output during the fight with Rider is more than 5% and also uses the its anti-world property. more details: http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Rank#Parameters As for Tokiomi I dont think that he was scared after learning about Rider's NP.No comment about Gilgamesh. EDIT:And actually,Gate of Babylon's rank is E ~ A++.It's Ea,being included in GoB, that raises the rank to EX. Thanks for the quick reply. But with Avalon then, as shown in FSN, Excalibur is stronger than EA? Or was he not using EA at full potential? (I don't remember the anime!) Excalibur wasnt affected by Avalon at all.What happened in the original was Ea's blast being "negated" by Avalon, and Saber using that chance to use the same technique she use against FZ Lancer.She put all the mana from her armor into attacking Gilgamesh.Ea even in 100% wouldnt be able to hurt Saber while she is using Avalon simply because Saber is cut off from anything that happens in the world. Gilgamesh couldnt react because Ea was still spinning releasing it's power. Saber didnt deflect Enuma Elish with Excalibur back at Gilgamesh as shown in the anime. Thnx for the precision. Does that mean that Saber is unkillable when Avalon is with her? No it doesn't. Avalon is a defense. She can't attack while using Avalon. It stops anything from hurting her, but it doesn't mean she can attack while she's in her invisibility mode (Land of fairies to be more precise). And for all we know a full power Enuma Elish could pierce through even Avalon since it's supposed to be a dimensional attack. But I'm not too sure about this one. |
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Ragna92 said: Well Gilgamesh praises her for having Avalon when she defeated him.So I take it as confirmation from Gil that Avalon can protect her for 100% Enuma Elish.RobertL said: ssjokg said: RobertL said: ssjokg said: RobertL said: I was just wondering : They say in the novel (and probably the anime) that Rider's noble phantasm is same rank as Gilgamesh Babylon gate. But in that final battle between Archer and Rider, he draws EA and completely crush Rider. So logically, there was no reason for Archer/Tokiomi to be scared, and also the noble should be ranked lower? THe rank has nothing to do with it.EX rank just shows that the NP is too powerfull to be given one(as said in the series). Both EA and Ionioi Hetairoi are ranked EX but that doesnt mean that they have the same power. Ea's output at about 5% can push back Excalibur that is ranked A++.Ea's output during the fight with Rider is more than 5% and also uses the its anti-world property. more details: http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Rank#Parameters As for Tokiomi I dont think that he was scared after learning about Rider's NP.No comment about Gilgamesh. EDIT:And actually,Gate of Babylon's rank is E ~ A++.It's Ea,being included in GoB, that raises the rank to EX. Thanks for the quick reply. But with Avalon then, as shown in FSN, Excalibur is stronger than EA? Or was he not using EA at full potential? (I don't remember the anime!) Excalibur wasnt affected by Avalon at all.What happened in the original was Ea's blast being "negated" by Avalon, and Saber using that chance to use the same technique she use against FZ Lancer.She put all the mana from her armor into attacking Gilgamesh.Ea even in 100% wouldnt be able to hurt Saber while she is using Avalon simply because Saber is cut off from anything that happens in the world. Gilgamesh couldnt react because Ea was still spinning releasing it's power. Saber didnt deflect Enuma Elish with Excalibur back at Gilgamesh as shown in the anime. Thnx for the precision. Does that mean that Saber is unkillable when Avalon is with her? No it doesn't. Avalon is a defense. She can't attack while using Avalon. It stops anything from hurting her, but it doesn't mean she can attack while she's in her invisibility mode (Land of fairies to be more precise). And for all we know a full power Enuma Elish could pierce through even Avalon since it's supposed to be a dimensional attack. But I'm not too sure about this one. BloodRequiem said: You prefer this or a SAO thread?Who the hell bumped this thread? |
| Just watch UBW and have a few question. Who the hell kill Rider? Why is Gilgamesh become Shinji servant? How strong is UBW? Why is Archer still alive? |
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NeoAnkara said: Kuzuki,Caster's boyfrend.Just watch UBW and have a few question. Who the hell kill Rider? Why is Gilgamesh become Shinji servant? How strong is UBW? Why is Archer still alive? Because Kirei "lent" him to Shinji. Inside UBW Archer and Shirou can project perfect "fakes" , have less mana cost and are faster than Gate of Babylon's speed of fire.They can use/command every sword that is already there.The fight both inside UBW and outside was nothing like the VN. Archer is alive because of hax.Or maybe being close to Shirou made Avalon effect him too just like Shirou was affected by being close to Archer. |
ssjokg said: Ragna92 said: Well Gilgamesh praises her for having Avalon when she defeated him.So I take it as confirmation from Gil that Avalon can protect her for 100% Enuma ElishhNo it doesn't. Avalon is a defense. She can't attack while using Avalon. It stops anything from hurting her, but it doesn't mean she can attack while she's in her invisibility mode (Land of fairies to be more precise). And for all we know a full power Enuma Elish could pierce through even Avalon since it's supposed to be a dimensional attack. But I'm not too sure about this one. Well, if this is what a full power Ea can do I wouldn't be surprised if it could pierce through Avalon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eJM-ppLPTs&t=2m33s |
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Ragna92 said: ssjokg said: Ragna92 said: Well Gilgamesh praises her for having Avalon when she defeated him.So I take it as confirmation from Gil that Avalon can protect her for 100% Enuma ElishhNo it doesn't. Avalon is a defense. She can't attack while using Avalon. It stops anything from hurting her, but it doesn't mean she can attack while she's in her invisibility mode (Land of fairies to be more precise). And for all we know a full power Enuma Elish could pierce through even Avalon since it's supposed to be a dimensional attack. But I'm not too sure about this one. Well, if this is what a full power Ea can do I wouldn't be surprised if it could pierce through Avalon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eJM-ppLPTs&t=2m33s Implying that F/E's cut scenes and battle system makes sense.And story for the most part. |
ssjokg said: Ragna92 said: ssjokg said: Ragna92 said: Well Gilgamesh praises her for having Avalon when she defeated him.So I take it as confirmation from Gil that Avalon can protect her for 100% Enuma ElishhNo it doesn't. Avalon is a defense. She can't attack while using Avalon. It stops anything from hurting her, but it doesn't mean she can attack while she's in her invisibility mode (Land of fairies to be more precise). And for all we know a full power Enuma Elish could pierce through even Avalon since it's supposed to be a dimensional attack. But I'm not too sure about this one. Well, if this is what a full power Ea can do I wouldn't be surprised if it could pierce through Avalon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eJM-ppLPTs&t=2m33s Implying that F/E's cut scenes and battle system makes sense.And story for the most part. This is the only thing we got for a full powered Ea though, and lives up to the hype. |
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BatoKusanagi said: Maybe in the 100th loop.Avenger. |
ssjokgApr 18, 2013 11:14 AM
| What's the point? It's obviously Gilgamesh =| |
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Ragna92 said: Well, if this is what a full power Ea can do I wouldn't be surprised if it could pierce through Avalon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eJM-ppLPTs&t=2m33s It's pretty much accepted that Nasu was on drugs when he wrote Extra. ssjokg said: BloodRequiem said: You prefer this or a SAO thread?Who the hell bumped this thread? Everything has already been discussed to death. |
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BloodRequiem said: Still better than SAO's threads.Ragna92 said: Well, if this is what a full power Ea can do I wouldn't be surprised if it could pierce through Avalon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eJM-ppLPTs&t=2m33s It's pretty much accepted that Nasu was on drugs when he wrote Extra. ssjokg said: BloodRequiem said: You prefer this or a SAO thread?Who the hell bumped this thread? Everything has already been discussed to death. |
ssjokg said: BloodRequiem said: Still better than SAO's threads.Ragna92 said: Well, if this is what a full power Ea can do I wouldn't be surprised if it could pierce through Avalon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eJM-ppLPTs&t=2m33s It's pretty much accepted that Nasu was on drugs when he wrote Extra. ssjokg said: BloodRequiem said: You prefer this or a SAO thread?Who the hell bumped this thread? Everything has already been discussed to death. I'd have to agree with that. |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
Broskandar said: Iskandar because he is my favourite:D No. |
Forgetfulness said: 1. Would F/sn True Assassin and F/sn Lancer be capable of beating Gilgamesh with their guaranteed attacks to the heart? 2. Slightly off topic. About the joke "can Shiki kill Servants?". Well it appears Nasu says that he can't, so can Ryougi Shiki really kill God as she claims she can? 1. No chance in heaven or hell for True Assassin. He's called Assassin for a reason. Useless as fuck in combat. One-Hit-Kill abilities are only useful if you live long enough to USE them. Lancer has bigger chance since Gil likes to fuck around. If Gil is at least 10% srs, Lancer= swiss cheese. 2. Tohno Shiki can't. Ryogi Shiki can. Fight =/= Kill. Void Shiki can kill a servant, but lacks the inhuman qualities to fight them to the point of being capable of landing the killing blow. |
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| shame f/sn archer has so little votes if you watch fate/stay night ulimited blade works youll understand |
Celestrial2 said: shame f/sn archer has so little votes if you watch fate/stay night ulimited blade works youll understand Archer is incredibly gimped by lack of mana. Unless he would have Illya as master, he would be completely fucked against Gilgamesh or FSN-Berserker and would always get defeated by FSN-Shirou if they fought. His highpoint is his versatility. But alas, jack of all trades - master of none. not to mention that servants like Karna(due to being op as fuck that you would require something anti-divine to stop him) or Nero(if she manages to launch her reality marble in time, not to mention due to having a similar ability to godhand) would fuck him over anyway. |
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Celestrial2 said: Waht gave you the idea that he is so strong?shame f/sn archer has so little votes if you watch fate/stay night ulimited blade works youll understand Fai said: In a fight of ideals yeah but not in a serious fightwould always get defeated by FSN-Shirou if they fought. . |
ssjokg said: Fai said: In a fight of ideals yeah but not in a serious fightwould always get defeated by FSN-Shirou if they fought. . Archer Versus SHirou would ALWAYS be about ideals, since due to nature of their powers they would keep it up till one loses will to do it. |
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Fai said: ssjokg said: Fai said: In a fight of ideals yeah but not in a serious fightwould always get defeated by FSN-Shirou if they fought. . Archer Versus SHirou would ALWAYS be about ideals, since due to nature of their powers they would keep it up till one loses will to do it. This is a powerlevel discussion though.Ideals/CIS dont matter that much. If they did then Gil wouldnt have so many votes. |
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