Aurioch said: Oh, a new event. I wonder what's it about... Feeding dangos to horribly designed heroic spirit of a thing till you unlock more and more story and get new CE and some summoning tickets. |
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Aurioch said: Oh, a new event. I wonder what's it about... Check club comments, a bunch of unorganized info is in there |
belatkuro said: Yep, it's Hiroyama. Yep, guessed as much. Thanks. CookingPriest said: All of them were added during Herz airing together. More people will know them from that than from FHA. What can they add that would be solely Prillya for you? Even sticks are technically FHA and heroic spirit powers on human beings is already concept within FGO anyway(just in a whole lot more ridiculous ways and with less justification). They can add all the different Illya and Miyu servant forms. They can add Kuro. They can add Angelica Gil. They can even add Tanaka at some point after more is revealed about her. This game is a peak of fanservice TM has never reached before and it's obvious that lore consistency is not the focus here. Might as well go the extra mile and milk every thing that has the Fate name on it, and when Fate was done being milked dry let's add Tsuki, Knk and Mahoyo cards as well. Insertanamehere said: Also Prisma cosmos is a Prillya card more or less, it's even in the name lol. I guess, even though the art itself has absolutely nothing to do with Prillya itself whatsoever. |
astroprogs said:  That gorgon sisters event reminded me of a really old doujin by Hiroyama Hiroshi (yup, the man behind Prillya himself), so i thought about sharing it with you guys. Have fun: This was amazing XD |
astroprogs said: They can add all the different Illya and Miyu servant forms. They can add Kuro. They can add Angelica Gil. They can even add Tanaka at some point after more is revealed about her. Those aren't servants? it's obvious that lore consistency is not the focus here. Go on. |
Insertanamehere said: astroprogs said: They can add all the different Illya and Miyu servant forms. They can add Kuro. They can add Angelica Gil. They can even add Tanaka at some point after more is revealed about her. Those aren't servants? Neither are Waver Mashu or Taiga, yet here we are. Mumbojumbo,newsystemblahblah,blah oh look fanservice. |
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Insertanamehere said: astroprogs said: They can add all the different Illya and Miyu servant forms. They can add Kuro. They can add Angelica Gil. They can even add Tanaka at some point after more is revealed about her. Those aren't servants? it's obvious that lore consistency is not the focus here. Go on. A lot of things in this game can't be explained lore wise simply because this is a game. CEs? Because game. One NP for each servant? Because game. Nerfed servants (most notably Gil)? Because game. Ascension and blocked potential? Because game. EXP cards? Because game. And if they're gonna make up reasons for including Waver, then anything could be added in. |
astroprogs said: CEs? Because game. Ascension and blocked potential? Because game. EXP cards? Because game. Well yeah those are gameplay features and not actual servants considered summonable, though. One NP for each servant? Because game. Nerfed servants (most notably Gil)? Because game. Because Fate summoning system, actually. And if they're gonna make up reasons for including Waver, then anything could be added in. CookingPriest said: Neither are Waver Mashu or Taiga, yet here we are. . Jeanne incarnated into Leticia in Apocrypha, so this is in no way new? It's the same thing, only with the hosts personality remaining largely dominant instead of the spirits. Though of course, if you haven't read Apocrypha, it'd probably come off as new. |
| Use Ticket to Grand Summon and get Black Key, this is stupid. |
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astroprogs said: Nerfed servants (most notably Gil)? Because game. And if they're gonna make up reasons for including Waver, then anything could be added in. Wat. Both of these happened before. Not just in F/GO. |
KaiserNazrin said: Use Ticket to Grand Summon and get Black Key, this is stupid. Got 3 tickets so far Got all 3 black keys |
WormBro said: astroprogs said: Nerfed servants (most notably Gil)? Because game. And if they're gonna make up reasons for including Waver, then anything could be added in. Wat. Both of these happened before. Not just in F/GO. They had damn good reasons before. Now it happens just because they need it. Also let's not forget that the current event involves summoning a freaking goddess as a heroic spirit, so pls let's ignore stev's trollbait attempts at justifying this mess into canon. |
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| Well nah divine spirits can be summoned under circumstances, explained within the story, you'd know that if you could read Japanese. |
Insertanamehere said: Well yeah those are gameplay features and not actual servants considered summonable, though. They're still not consistent with the lore like how Extra did the leveling up and raising of stat ranks. I wouldn't mind if they make all the Prillya cards CEs, but if they're not willing to break the rules, they better not break it for anything else. Insertanamehere said: Because Fate summoning system, actually. Can you elaborate or link me, please? I didn't know that the Fate summoning system affected the number on NPs a servant can have. Insertanamehere said: Jeanne incarnated into Leticia in Apocrypha, so this is in no way new? It's the same thing, only with the hosts personality remaining largely dominant instead of the spirits. Though of course, if you haven't read Apocrypha, it'd probably come off as new. So a similar thing happened in Apocrypha? I guess it's excusable then. WormBro said: astroprogs said: Nerfed servants (most notably Gil)? Because game. And if they're gonna make up reasons for including Waver, then anything could be added in. Wat. Both of these happened before. Not just in F/GO. At what point was Gil not allowed to use Enkidu because he didn't have any access to it? Gil should've had his entire treasury in GO. |
astroprogs said: I'm not saying gameplay features are consistent with canon, but story/lore and therefore servants summoned do have to be. They're still not consistent with the lore like how Extra did the leveling up and raising of stat ranks. Can you elaborate or link me, please? I didn't know that the Fate summoning system affected the number on NPs a servant can have. In the story (or someones interlude). It's asked why someone can only use one NP when their legend should have more, and Roman clarifies the system restricts servants in some ways, IIRC. At what point was Gil not allowed to use Enkidu because he didn't have any access to it? Gil should have his entire treasury in GO. Gameplay features which aren't consistent with lore. Though, how do you know he can't use Enkidu and/or his whole treasury, and simply chooses not to? Those aren't his Noble Phantasms separately, they are Noble Phantasms stored under his Noble Phantasm, the GoB. |
InsertanamehereSep 25, 2015 11:19 AM
| So basically lore breaking asspulls "because magic" to get fanservice to the noncanon meme game STfu stev and stop trolling. |
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Insertanamehere said: I'm not saying gameplay features are consistent with canon, but story/lore and therefore servants summoned do have to be. I kinda disagree. I realize that Ludonarrative dissonance exists in most video games out there, but that doesn't make it any easier to swallow, especially in a work in the Nasuverse. Either way, i only wish for Prillya to be included, servants or not isn't really what i care about. Insertanamehere said: In the story (or someones interlude). It's asked why someone can only use one NP when their legend should have more, and Roman clarifies the system restricts servants in some ways, IIRC. Seems like an awfully specific thing to restrict. Was there any reason given for this? Insertanamehere said: Though, how do you know he can't use Enkidu and/or his whole treasury, and simply chooses not to? Those aren't his Noble Phantasms separately, they are Noble Phantasms stored under his Noble Phantasm, the GoB. I'll go ahead and say because it wasn't given as a choice. Giving an option for every weapon in GoB is absurd, i realize that, but Enkidu is more than distinct enough to be lumped in with the rest of GoB. Also, isn't GoB a Noble Phantasm? Wouldn't that give Gil two NPs? |
astroprogsSep 25, 2015 11:50 AM
| Ask him to expplain why Lancelot has a fucking machinegun as an NP I bet he can't I bet he will drum up bullshit Its stev after all. |
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CookingPriest said: So basically lore breaking asspulls "because magic" to get fanservice to the noncanon meme game STfu stev and stop trolling. Consider you don't like the canon in your head not matching the actual canon and resort to calling it trolling. astroprogs said: Seems like an awfully specific thing to restrict. Was there any reason given for this? To compensate for increased number of servants, servants are restricted in some forms, despite the system doing most of the heavy lifting. I'll go ahead and say because it wasn't given as a choice. Giving an option for every weapon in GoB is absurd, i realize that, but Enkidu is more than distinct enough to be lumped in with the rest of GoB. Also, isn't GoB a Noble Phantasm? Wouldn't that give Gil two NPs? Ea is stored in GoB, so that'd technically still be his one and only, though you could argue it's notable enough to count as a second. |
Insertanamehere said: CookingPriest said: So basically lore breaking asspulls "because magic" to get fanservice to the noncanon meme game STfu stev and stop trolling. Consider you don't like the canon in your head not matching the actual canon and resort to calling it trolling. astroprogs said: Seems like an awfully specific thing to restrict. Was there any reason given for this? To compensate for increased number of servants, servants are restricted in some forms, despite the system doing most of the heavy lifting. I'll go ahead and say because it wasn't given as a choice. Giving an option for every weapon in GoB is absurd, i realize that, but Enkidu is more than distinct enough to be lumped in with the rest of GoB. Also, isn't GoB a Noble Phantasm? Wouldn't that give Gil two NPs? Ea is stored in GoB, so that'd technically still be his one and only, though you could argue it's notable enough to count as a second.  Bully pls go |
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CookingPriest said: why Lancelot has a fucking machinegun as an NP That's an example of them bending the rules for fanservice. I doubt Lancelot found a machine gun in France or Rome just lying around for him to use. Insertanamehere said: To compensate for increased number of servants, servants are restricted in some forms, despite the system doing most of the heavy lifting. That doesn't make sense. Why can't Emiya use Rho Aias then? It's a Noble Phantasm that isn't summoned with the Heroic Spirit. Insertanamehere said: Ea is stored in GoB, so that'd technically still be his one and only, though you could argue it's notable enough to count as a second. Enkidu should be as notable as Ea. The game is essentially blocking it from me without any explanation whatsoever. |
astroprogs said: That doesn't make sense. Why can't Emiya use Rho Aias then? It's a Noble Phantasm that isn't summoned with the Heroic Spirit. What does this have to do with what I said though. Also Rho Aias isn't his NP. Also gameplay feature. Enkidu should be as notable as Ea. The game is essentially blocking it from me without any explanation whatsoever. Gameplay feature, how do you know he can't use it as a servant? |
| These non-answer and evasive statements, stev. WOW. astroprogs said: CookingPriest said: why Lancelot has a fucking machinegun as an NP That's an example of them bending the rules for fanservice. I doubt Lancelot found a machine gun in France or Rome just lying around for him to use. CuLAncer and MEdusa being 3* Iskandar being stronger than Medusa Hercules not having a godhand Someone like Sasaki being able to beat Jeanne(if you take him into fighting her) The idea of "fixing history" in a concept of parallel universes where all history is fluid. And it goes on and goes on. |
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Insertanamehere said: What does this have to do with what I said though. Also Rho Aias isn't his NP. Also gameplay feature. Gameplay feature, how do you know he can't use it as a servant? Because it's an example of an NP not affected by that rule, which is, again, awfully specific and screams "game balance", but still not an option to use. Let's say i brought Gil to a fight in which he would deem acceptable to use Enkidu, and that have a pretty good chance of happening when he's surrounded by countless Heroic Spirits from all over history, would the option to use it appear in-game? There's your answer. Because game. |
| Enkidu is not actually a useful tool against countless pleb tier HS's from history. Though besides which I said the servant in Grand Order, not the servant in the game. |
Insertanamehere said: Enkidu is not actually a useful tool against countless pleb tier HS's from history. Though besides which I said the servant in Grand Order, not the servant in the game. We don't know every HS to make such a claim. If Gil used it against Iskandar, you bet he'll use it against others. These are Heroic Spirits from legend we're talking about. There WILL be at least one more servant Gil will feel acceptable to use Enkidu on. Inside the battle screen i control the narrative. The game will stay vague about who i took into battle and what i did in it because that part only i can control. If a scenario presented itself where Gil would use Enkidu, i should be able to use it. This is an established part of his personality that the game won't abide by for balance reasons. |
astroprogs said: Insertanamehere said: Enkidu is not actually a useful tool against countless pleb tier HS's from history. Though besides which I said the servant in Grand Order, not the servant in the game. We don't know every HS to make such a claim. If Gil used it against Iskandar, you bet he'll use it against others. These are Heroic Spirits from legend we're talking about. There WILL be at least one more servant Gil will feel acceptable to use Enkidu on. Inside the battle screen i control the narrative. The game will stay vague about who i took into battle and what i did in it because that part only i can control. If a scenario presented itself where Gil would use Enkidu, i should be able to use it. This is an established part of his personality that the game won't abide by for balance reasons. tbh they shoul dhave just made his arts animation or quick animation enkidu chains :/ Or give him personal debuff skill with that. |
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| ...Are you guys seriously arguing about a game mechanic? |
MightyM16 said: ...Are you guys seriously arguing about a game mechanic? We're arguing about a game mechanic being forced into the lore rather. I honestly have no problems with whatever they do as long as they remain consistent. Keeping game balance is commendable. Giving me Prillya content is even more commendable :p |
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astroprogs said: At what point was Gil not allowed to use Enkidu because he didn't have any access to it? Gil should've had his entire treasury in GO. I disagree. Game mechanic =/= an actually scripted battle. There is no scripted battles in F/GO because it is replaced by a fighting system. If you make Gil use Ea in a battle, that doesn't actually mean he'd use it in the scripted version of the fight. It's a rather simple thing. We don't know how the fight goes down (because it wasn't scripted and was replaced with gameplay instead), we just know that the fight went down. We don't know HOW it went down. If a scenario presented itself where Gil would use Enkidu, i should be able to use it. To begin with, this would require implementation of a better fighting system than a card system which is more or less entirely impossible to implement in a simplistic mobage like this one. If this was an actual console game with a better fight system where you could actually perform combos or special attacks, this could have been possible. Second of all, this would imply the fight system is supposed to match the story/canon flow. It really isn't. You can do anything in a fight system and win in various ways, but like I said, that's not how the fight would go down if it was actually scripted. Or actually to be more blunt, that would require the game producers to go out of their way to create different versions of Noble Phantasm usage and attacks and whatever, which they won't do for obvious reasons (a; they are lazy, b; its a simplistic mobage with no need of more of an advanced fighting system) TL;DR; fighting system/game mechanics aren't a part of the GO storyline, they're just gameplay. |
AirConditionerSep 25, 2015 1:06 PM
| Having to abide by the rules doesn't mean they have to be scripted. The status screens in the Extra were 100% consistent with the gameplay and the developers were smart enough to accomplish such a feet, regardless of how simplistic the battle system ended up being. Regardless, I understand all the technical difficulties and balancing issues that can stem from making a legit Fate battle system and have absolutely no problems with what they're doing. My problem is the double standards of having to be authentic with servants (when most of them are irrelevant to the plot anyway) and then throw all of this out the window when the player takes control. I'm not really asking for the game to have stricter rules or abide by the franchise's or even its own rules, I'm asking for it to be more consistent because it's already not carrying those rules in-game. Have Lancelot use a machine gun in-game. Have Gil not use Enkidou in-game. Have inferior servants have higher potential by giving them more stars. But also, let me have Kuro as a servant without interludes or any story content. Just a character on the "game" side of GO. I hope my point was made clear. |
astroprogsSep 25, 2015 1:41 PM
| I thought it was clear that the stars weren't just a symbol of strenght but of rarity |
MightyM16 said: I thought it was clear that the stars weren't just a symbol of strenght but of rarity Having more stars means a servant can level up higher. Each star means a 10 level higher cap. A fully ascended 1* will have a max level of 60. A fully ascended 5* will have a max level of 100. GO gives higher level potential to Emiya and Iskandar (4*) more than Cu and Medusa (3*), which is bullshit. |
astroprogsSep 25, 2015 2:05 PM
astroprogs said: MightyM16 said: I thought it was clear that the stars weren't just a symbol of strenght but of rarity Having more stars means a servant can level up higher. Each star means a 10 level higher cap. A fully ascended 1* will have a max level of 60. A fully ascended 5* will have a max level of 100. GO gives higher level potential to Emiya and Iskandar (4*) more than Cu and Medusa (3*), which is bullshit. Ah okay then... Iskandar will be a 5* btw |
astroprogs said: MightyM16 said: I thought it was clear that the stars weren't just a symbol of strenght but of rarity Having more stars means a servant can level up higher. Each star means a 10 level higher cap. A fully ascended 1* will have a max level of 60. A fully ascended 5* will have a max level of 100. GO gives higher level potential to Emiya and Iskandar (4*) more than Cu and Medusa (3*), which is bullshit. Just use grail ascension when it gets here. Also I'd rather have Arcueid make a cameo appearance. Fan service and all. |
| Just have couple of days playing this game. Really awesome |
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astroprogs said: Speaking of Gil. So. So best. STEV vs FAI FITE. MightyM16 said: astroprogs said: Having more stars means a servant can level up higher. Each star means a 10 level higher cap. A fully ascended 1* will have a max level of 60. A fully ascended 5* will have a max level of 100. GO gives higher level potential to Emiya and Iskandar (4*) more than Cu and Medusa (3*), which is bullshit. Ah okay then... Iskandar will be a 5* btw Kid Iskander is a 3* And Kid Iskander is objectively better than his older self. Therefore Iskander = 1* |
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| Yay, finally ascended Jeanne! And I have enough statues to ascend her 2nd time as well... which I'll do, after ascending D'Eon, EMIYA and Elizabeth. I kinda need whole team at lvl40 minimum... |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
| Using Google Translate to communicate with the support. I wonder if they know I am not japanese at all. |
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| I have finally done it. I have finally unlocked sexy shirtless best man. |
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Sherou said: ftfyshirtless best man. |
AntiBullyRanger said: Sherou said: ftfyshirtless best girl. Double fixed. |
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All your dongo are belong to Rin. I don't care what anyone says, this is the best designed card in the game. MightyM16 said: Ah okay then... Iskandar will be a 5* btw Oh? I thought he'll be a 4*. ...DW. Oh, nice. It's a real shame how there's a serious lack in the Martha art. ShinsoPriest said: Also I'd rather have Arcueid make a cameo appearance. Fan service and all. Absolutely. Add Ryougi, Tohno, Akiha and Ciel as well and i might actually start spending money on the game. |
astroprogsSep 26, 2015 4:09 PM
| Agree. THat card is awful. Takeuchi's new-rinface looks like freaking alien bee creature or something |
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| To each his own then. I prefer Takeuchi's new style over his old one even when he's subconsciously Saberfying everyone. |
| Your friendly neighborhood psychotic Gudako. |
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