mattbenz99 said: Objurgo said: no elfen lied had pretty bad voice acting in both the sub and the dub and is proof that japanese voice acting is not perfect.Which shows specifically would you say? I find myself preferring the FMA:B dub over the sub as an example. Elfen Lied also had a good dub in my opinion. Why was the Japanese voice acting bad in elfen lied? |
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AndyRayy said: waalex11 said: Despite what anyone can say about the multitude of both good dubs and bad that have been done, it all comes down to this. It really all depends on the voice actors and the anime. I pretty much agree with you. But two other factors come in to voice acting as well. 1.) Good direction - If the director does not give two shits about making a quality anime and getting the actor to convey proper emotion and the script well, then its not going to sound as good, even if they have great actors. 2.) Writing - Once again, if its got terrible, corny writing, then it doesn't matter if the voice actors are good. The show is still going to sound stupid. I know its not an anime, but I'd point to Final Fantasy XIII for an example. They got some excellent voice actors, but were given a piss poor script. Not even people as talented as Ali Hillis and Troy Baker could make lines like "The heroes always win!" and "Worst birthday ever!" sound cool. |
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| I think English is not even the right language to voice certain anime characters. Japanese has a huge tonality variations I simply don't see in English. You need a more "clear" language with different tone variations, e.g. Italian, etc. |
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tsudecimo said: mattbenz99 said: Objurgo said: no elfen lied had pretty bad voice acting in both the sub and the dub and is proof that japanese voice acting is not perfect.Which shows specifically would you say? I find myself preferring the FMA:B dub over the sub as an example. Elfen Lied also had a good dub in my opinion. Why was the Japanese voice acting bad in elfen lied? to be honest i have difficulties telling a good voice actor from bad voice actors in japanese but i have spoken to people who speak japanese and they say it is pretty bad |
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| Eh, not for me. I prefer Dubbed over anything... Of course I watch subs and such, but not to an extent as I do dubs. I read and such, but when I watch TV/Shows, I prefer to just listen and watch, not read... and miss some of the action because I'm reading the subs. I don't find much Anime shows where the dubs are complete shit. Sure at first when I watch an Anime I might see the flaws from dubs, but then as I go on I don't notice it anymore, and that's how it should be. It seems a lot of you people that hate dubs notice the mouth out of sync or whatever more than actually watching the show. Of course some voices don't fit the character whatsoever, but what can you do, you know... I'll never understand nor will I care why you people hate dubbed so much, I mean it's your native tongue isn't it? So why hate on it, it's your own language? You can wish all you want that you want to be Japanese and/or want to learn Japanese so you don't have to read the subs, but the only one stopping yourself is you. So be less talk (I'm talking about the cliché dub vs sub topics I see everywhere) and actually do it. |
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Snowburden said: I'll never understand nor will I care why you people hate dubbed so much, I mean it's your native tongue isn't it? So why hate on it, it's your own language? You can wish all you want that you want to be Japanese and/or want to learn Japanese so you don't have to read the subs, but the only one stopping yourself is you. So be less talk (I'm talking about the cliché dub vs sub topics I see everywhere) and actually do it. Most of the people here despise American dubs. Well, I live in England and, to be honest, I prefer BE over AE, but that's subjective. There are plenty of dubs in languages other than English, some are done really well. |
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Snowburden said: Eh, not for me. I prefer Dubbed over anything... Of course I watch subs and such, but not to an extent as I do dubs. I read and such, but when I watch TV/Shows, I prefer to just listen and watch, not read... and miss some of the action because I'm reading the subs. I don't find much Anime shows where the dubs are complete shit. Sure at first when I watch an Anime I might see the flaws from dubs, but then as I go on I don't notice it anymore, and that's how it should be. It seems a lot of you people that hate dubs notice the mouth out of sync or whatever more than actually watching the show. Of course some voices don't fit the character whatsoever, but what can you do, you know... I'll never understand nor will I care why you people hate dubbed so much, I mean it's your native tongue isn't it? So why hate on it, it's your own language? You can wish all you want that you want to be Japanese and/or want to learn Japanese so you don't have to read the subs, but the only one stopping yourself is you. So be less talk (I'm talking about the cliché dub vs sub topics I see everywhere) and actually do it. when you watch a show first the first language you hear it in will most likely be your prefered way of watching it from then on and you probably wont enjoy watching it in the other language because of how the characters dont sound like the characters you know and love. some people get this feeling after watching a show subbed and confuse it with the dub being bad. that is in my opinion why the majority of dub haters exist. they watch a few shows subbed then because there are differences between the dub and sub they hate those dubs and assume that all dubs are like that. |
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Snowburden said: I'll never understand nor will I care why you people hate dubbed so much, I mean it's your native tongue isn't it? So why hate on it, it's your own language? You can wish all you want that you want to be Japanese and/or want to learn Japanese so you don't have to read the subs, but the only one stopping yourself is you. So be less talk (I'm talking about the cliché dub vs sub topics I see everywhere) and actually do it. From my experience, dub haters (especially those that post in topics like these that don't inspire any sub vs dub debate) are the most asinine, unintelligent users that I've had the displeasure of ever having come across. I take everything they say with a grain of salt. |
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spyrocoot said: Snowburden said: I'll never understand nor will I care why you people hate dubbed so much, I mean it's your native tongue isn't it? So why hate on it, it's your own language? You can wish all you want that you want to be Japanese and/or want to learn Japanese so you don't have to read the subs, but the only one stopping yourself is you. So be less talk (I'm talking about the cliché dub vs sub topics I see everywhere) and actually do it. From my experience, dub haters (especially those that post in topics like these that don't inspire any sub vs dub debate) are the most asinine, unintelligent users that I've had the displeasure of ever having come across. I take everything they say with a grain of salt. not only that but in my experience dub haters are the least likely to actually support the anime industry by buying dvds or using sites like crunchyroll (which is ironic that people who prefer dubs are more likely to watch anime on a sub only website than people who actually like subs) |
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Snowburden said: I'll never understand nor will I care why you people hate dubbed so much, I mean it's your native tongue isn't it? So why hate on it, it's your own language? It's not my native language but it being a native language for someone doesn't mean that person will not see how bad it is. Besides I don't think these dub haters also hate the English voice acting in games, animated movies ( stuff like Shrek etc) and American cartoon, I know I don't. So it's not really about hating the language in itself. mattbenz99 said: when you watch a show first the first language you hear it in will most likely be your prefered way of watching it from then on and you probably wont enjoy watching it in the other language because of how the characters dont sound like the characters you know and love. some people get this feeling after watching a show subbed and confuse it with the dub being bad. that is in my opinion why the majority of dub haters exist. they watch a few shows subbed then because there are differences between the dub and sub they hate those dubs and assume that all dubs are like that. Lol nope, I watched many anime dubbed because I thought the Japanese voice were a bit annoying without giving them a chance. The moment I got seriously into anime and started watching subbed was the moment I realized how terrible the English dubs are. Stop making baseless assumptions please because logically speaking most people people will get into anime from the dub versions. |
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tsudecimo said: Snowburden said: I'll never understand nor will I care why you people hate dubbed so much, I mean it's your native tongue isn't it? So why hate on it, it's your own language? It's not my native language but it being a native language for someone doesn't mean that person will not see how bad it is. Besides I don't think these dub haters also hate the English voice acting in games, animated movies ( stuff like Shrek etc) and American cartoon, I know I don't. So it's not really about hating the language in itself. mattbenz99 said: when you watch a show first the first language you hear it in will most likely be your prefered way of watching it from then on and you probably wont enjoy watching it in the other language because of how the characters dont sound like the characters you know and love. some people get this feeling after watching a show subbed and confuse it with the dub being bad. that is in my opinion why the majority of dub haters exist. they watch a few shows subbed then because there are differences between the dub and sub they hate those dubs and assume that all dubs are like that. Lol nope, I watched many anime dubbed because I thought the Japanese voice were a bit annoying without giving them a chance. The moment I got seriously into anime and started watching subbed was the moment I realized how terrible the English dubs are. Stop making baseless assumptions please because logically speaking most people people will get into anime from the dub versions. what shows did you watch dubbed because i keep hearing about dubs are terrible over and over and i have no idea what people are talking about |
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Snowburden said: First of all most people who watch only subs can see them in a split second and don't have to have their eyes glued to the bottom of the screen.Eh, not for me. I prefer Dubbed over anything... Of course I watch subs and such, but not to an extent as I do dubs. I read and such, but when I watch TV/Shows, I prefer to just listen and watch, not read... and miss some of the action because I'm reading the subs. I don't find much Anime shows where the dubs are complete shit. Sure at first when I watch an Anime I might see the flaws from dubs, but then as I go on I don't notice it anymore, and that's how it should be. It seems a lot of you people that hate dubs notice the mouth out of sync or whatever more than actually watching the show. Of course some voices don't fit the character whatsoever, but what can you do, you know... I'll never understand nor will I care why you people hate dubbed so much, I mean it's your native tongue isn't it? So why hate on it, it's your own language? You can wish all you want that you want to be Japanese and/or want to learn Japanese so you don't have to read the subs, but the only one stopping yourself is you. So be less talk (I'm talking about the cliché dub vs sub topics I see everywhere) and actually do it. So you're reason for people to watch dubs is you eventually get used to the flaws? [For the bold], you can watch subbed anime, that's what you can do. Who says you're hating on your own language if you don't want to watch dubs in it? That sounds pretty ignorant. It's about not liking English dubs, not the language. There are a lot of people who prefer to watch whatever foreign media, in it's own original language, that's not called hating your own. And some people see the language as not fitting or English dub actors sound bad, once again not hating your language. A lot of people on this site don't come from an English as a native language country. Their language might not have many dubs or have bad ones so they watch it subbed online, there's no reason to watch it dubbed. And wanting to become Japanese, are you really this stupid or are you joking. And don't turn this into a subbed vs dubbed thread, we already have one of those. Look at the title and OP and post a response. mattbenz99 said: Or they really think dub actors sound bad. And that's not completely true, I started out watching dubs, even most of the shows that I watched dubbed when I first started, I now prefer subbed.when you watch a show first the first language you hear it in will most likely be your prefered way of watching it from then on and you probably wont enjoy watching it in the other language because of how the characters dont sound like the characters you know and love. some people get this feeling after watching a show subbed and confuse it with the dub being bad. that is in my opinion why the majority of dub haters exist. they watch a few shows subbed then because there are differences between the dub and sub they hate those dubs and assume that all dubs are like that. There's also the reason behind of what you're saying, that English subbed anime come out way faster, could be years faster than dubbed anime. And there's way more anime subbed than dubbed. |
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Red_Keys said: HOTD's dub is fantastic. But dubs sound extra terrible on ecchi "moe" shows because it becomes that much more apparent how unrealistically, immaturely, obnoxiously, and retarded the characters are behaving. It breaks your suspension of disbelief faster, because it's easier to point out how unnatural it sounds and feels. It's easier to realize that they don't feel like real people. It's not about voice acting, it's about the script. (And by script, I don't just mean dialogue, I mean everything. Like character behavior, motivation, maturity, etc). That's actually a very legit point. |
IntroverTurtle said: Snowburden said: First of all most people who watch only subs can see them in a split second and don't have to have their eyes glued to the bottom of the screen.Eh, not for me. I prefer Dubbed over anything... Of course I watch subs and such, but not to an extent as I do dubs. I read and such, but when I watch TV/Shows, I prefer to just listen and watch, not read... and miss some of the action because I'm reading the subs. I don't find much Anime shows where the dubs are complete shit. Sure at first when I watch an Anime I might see the flaws from dubs, but then as I go on I don't notice it anymore, and that's how it should be. It seems a lot of you people that hate dubs notice the mouth out of sync or whatever more than actually watching the show. Of course some voices don't fit the character whatsoever, but what can you do, you know... I'll never understand nor will I care why you people hate dubbed so much, I mean it's your native tongue isn't it? So why hate on it, it's your own language? You can wish all you want that you want to be Japanese and/or want to learn Japanese so you don't have to read the subs, but the only one stopping yourself is you. So be less talk (I'm talking about the cliché dub vs sub topics I see everywhere) and actually do it. mattbenz99 said: Or they really think dub actors sound bad. And that's not completely true, I started out watching dubs, even most of the shows that I watched dubbed when I first started, I now prefer subbed.when you watch a show first the first language you hear it in will most likely be your prefered way of watching it from then on and you probably wont enjoy watching it in the other language because of how the characters dont sound like the characters you know and love. some people get this feeling after watching a show subbed and confuse it with the dub being bad. that is in my opinion why the majority of dub haters exist. they watch a few shows subbed then because there are differences between the dub and sub they hate those dubs and assume that all dubs are like that. There's also the reason behind of what you're saying, that English subbed anime come out way faster, could be years faster than dubbed anime. And there's way more anime subbed than dubbed. And don't turn this into a subbed vs dubbed thread, we already have one of those. Look at the title and OP and post a response. you know what i am sick of people using subs come out faster as an excuse if i am going to watch trigun the dubs are already out. most people who argue for dubs arent talking about airing anime they are arguing that if a show has been out for a while and there is a dub that is good why not watch it in your own language and not be reading what you should be hearing. |
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mattbenz99 said: It's not an excuse, it's a fact. Yes maybe for Trigun, but if someone wanted to catch up to lets say One Piece, then they couldn't. Also a lot of people watch anime as it's airing, you can't do that with dubs like you've mentioned. Dub only watchers have to wait, sometimes indefinitely. Also you're missing the most anime aren't dubbed part, a way bigger selection are subbed and could be subbed. I asked someone this before but they never answered, what's the biggest gap between when an anime aired and when it was dubbed?you know what i am sick of people using subs come out faster as an excuse if i am going to watch trigun the dubs are already out. most people who argue for dubs arent talking about airing anime they are arguing that if a show has been out for a while and there is a dub that is good why not watch it in your own language and not be reading what you should be hearing. First of all a dub being good is opinion. And then why watch an anime dubbed when you can watch it subbed a year earlier as it's airing without missing the things that get taken out in a dub, then watch 50 other anime that aren't dubbed by the time the dub only watcher is able to get it. And I see you're abandoning the what you watched first thing. |
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IntroverTurtle said: mattbenz99 said: It's not an excuse, it's a fact. Yes maybe for Trigun, but if someone wanted to catch up to lets say One Piece, then they couldn't. Also a lot of people watch anime as it's airing, you can't do that with dubs like you've mentioned. Dub only watchers have to wait, sometimes indefinitely. Also you're missing the most anime aren't dubbed part, a way bigger selection are subbed and could be subbed. I asked someone this before but they never answered, what's the oldest gap between when an anime aired and when it was dubbed?you know what i am sick of people using subs come out faster as an excuse if i am going to watch trigun the dubs are already out. most people who argue for dubs arent talking about airing anime they are arguing that if a show has been out for a while and there is a dub that is good why not watch it in your own language and not be reading what you should be hearing. First of all a dub being good is opinion. And then why watch an anime dubbed when you can watch it subbed a year earlier as it's airing without missing the things that get taken out in a dub, then watch 50 other anime that aren't dubbed by the time the dub only watcher is able to get it. with airing anime you have to watch in japanese yes but that is not what dub watchers are arguing about. they are saying if you want to watch an older show that has already been dubbed. i was dub only for years and it was only around new years that i started watching both subs and dubs and i can tell you there are no shortage of shows that have already been dubbed. in fact depending on how fast you watch anime there are enough english dubbed anime out there to keep you busy for years as i did me. in fact the only reason i started watching subbed anime was because i kept being told by my friends "you have to watch this show." now i do watch more subs than dubs because i have gone completely legal and subs are more available for legal stream than dubs but i still watch dubs whenever i get the chance. mostly when i buy the dvds. |
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| English dubs can be good for both 'deep' shows and comedies. Although I'm rather ignorant on dubs, since I watch subs/raw whenever possible. I prefer it to be in the original language(no matter what country the show/movie is from). I grew up on watching subbed shows from when I could read(2nd grade) to when I could understand English(5th/6th grade), so reading subs is like second-nature to me. English is also not my native tongue, and nothing gets dubbed in my native tongue(Dutch). So I don't really understand why reading subs is a problem, but I suppose a preference is a preference. Snowburden said: I'll never understand nor will I care why you people hate dubbed so much, I mean it's your native tongue isn't it? So why hate on it, it's your own language? You can wish all you want that you want to be Japanese and/or want to learn Japanese so you don't have to read the subs, but the only one stopping yourself is you. So be less talk (I'm talking about the cliché dub vs sub topics I see everywhere) and actually do it. You do realize not everybody on this is American/British, right? You sound rather arrogant when you say such things. mattbenz99 said: not only that but in my experience dub haters are the least likely to actually support the anime industry by buying dvds or using sites like crunchyroll (which is ironic that people who prefer dubs are more likely to watch anime on a sub only website than people who actually like subs) Thats a huge generalization, and you know it. |
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IntroverTurtle said: All Englsih dubs are bad.  I call to the stand, Baccano! |
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Manglex said: IntroverTurtle said: All Englsih dubs are bad. I call to the stand, Baccano! exactly that dub is so good that in japan they started selling the dvds with the dub on it because many people prefered it over the japanese voices |
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mattbenz99 said: exactly that dub is so good that in japan they started selling the dvds with the dub on it because many people prefered it over the japanese voices Lol, source? |
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tsudecimo said: mattbenz99 said: exactly that dub is so good that in japan they started selling the dvds with the dub on it because many people prefered it over the japanese voices Lol, source? go buy the import and see for yourself |
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| I generally prefer watching dubbed over subbed but it really depends on the quality. Some dubs are terrible (Fairy Tail's non-funimation dub) or just don't hold interest (Durarara!!!'s sequences about the Dolahan got me feeling a little bored) when compared to the sub. That being said the difference between the dubbing and subbing isn't much in most cases for me. The main two shows I'd say I much prefer the dub over the sub is Hellsing and Spice and Wolf. Hellsing for Alucard really (it's set in Britain too) and Spice and Wolf because they talk about regular trading life pretty much. Tl;dr 90% of the time I prefer the dub but the difference is small in my personal preference. When I prefer the sub is when the dub can't keep me interested, when I prefer the dub much more is when it is dialog heavy but talking about relatively normal things or if it is set in a certain country (E.g. I could recognise lots of slang from Hellsing). |
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mattbenz99 said: tsudecimo said: mattbenz99 said: exactly that dub is so good that in japan they started selling the dvds with the dub on it because many people prefered it over the japanese voices Lol, source? go buy the import and see for yourself Give me a link of something to confirm what you said.. |
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mattbenz99 said: Same thing with Cowboy Bebop and Full Metal Panic dubs which are quite renown in Japan as being great.Manglex said: IntroverTurtle said: All Englsih dubs are bad. I call to the stand, Baccano! exactly that dub is so good that in japan they started selling the dvds with the dub on it because many people prefered it over the japanese voices (I'd also argue Fullmetal Alchemist) |
tsudecimo said: mattbenz99 said: tsudecimo said: mattbenz99 said: exactly that dub is so good that in japan they started selling the dvds with the dub on it because many people prefered it over the japanese voices Lol, source? go buy the import and see for yourself Give me a link of something to confirm what you said.. http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B002R0LRGW i guess the japanese amazon works |
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Red_Keys said: HOTD's dub is fantastic. But dubs sound extra terrible on ecchi "moe" shows because it becomes that much more apparent how unrealistically, immaturely, obnoxiously, and retarded the characters are behaving. It breaks your suspension of disbelief faster, because it's easier to point out how unnatural it sounds and feels. It's easier to realize that they don't feel like real people. It's not about voice acting, it's about the script. (And by script, I don't just mean dialogue, I mean everything. Like character behavior, motivation, maturity, etc). Hmm....that makes a lot of sense actually. I still loved K-ON! though. |
SteampunkDalek said: mattbenz99 said: Same thing with Cowboy Bebop and Full Metal Panic dubs which are quite renown in Japan as being great.Manglex said: IntroverTurtle said: All Englsih dubs are bad. I call to the stand, Baccano! exactly that dub is so good that in japan they started selling the dvds with the dub on it because many people prefered it over the japanese voices (I'd also argue Fullmetal Alchemist) from the random googling i just did hellsing/ hellsing ultimate should be on that list |
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mattbenz99 said: exactly that dub is so good that in japan they started selling the dvds with the dub on it because many people prefered it over the japanese voices That has nothing to do with the quality of the dub. on Amazon(JP) they sell most shows(that have dubs) with the dub included(Mushishi, elfen lied, Last exile etc..). |
rederoin said: mattbenz99 said: exactly that dub is so good that in japan they started selling the dvds with the dub on it because many people prefered it over the japanese voices That has nothing to do with the quality of the dub. on Amazon(JP) they sell most shows(that have dubs) with the dub included(Mushishi, elfen lied, Last exile etc..). Yea I just Googled and a lot of shows has that... Death note Heaven lost http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B009DA725E |
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mattbenz99 said: So dub watchers aren't arguing about all anime? Only anime that are dubbed which is only small part. Face it, that's a con with only watching dubs.with airing anime you have to watch in japanese yes but that is not what dub watchers are arguing about. they are saying if you want to watch an older show that has already been dubbed. i was dub only for years and it was only around new years that i started watching both subs and dubs and i can tell you there are no shortage of shows that have already been dubbed. in fact depending on how fast you watch anime there are enough english dubbed anime out there to keep you busy for years as i did me. in fact the only reason i started watching subbed anime was because i kept being told by my friends "you have to watch this show." now i do watch more subs than dubs because i have gone completely legal and subs are more available for legal stream than dubs but i still watch dubs whenever i get the chance. mostly when i buy the dvds. There is a shortage, a steep one compared to the amount of anime subbed. I wouldn't have been able to watch the amount of anime I've watched subbed, dubbed. True or false? Yes but you also watch quite slow. I had watched how many you've watched in about a year, maybe a little longer. You're once again saying that it's more convenient to watch subs as they come out when it's airing. You're friends would be done talking about an anime by the time you watched it dubbed, if it ever did get dubbed. rederoin said: Yes I've heard it's because it's way cheaper to import from America than to buy it in Japan. That it became a problem, I believe some users on here were talking about it. Normal Japanese people reverse importing because of the big prices in Japan.mattbenz99 said: exactly that dub is so good that in japan they started selling the dvds with the dub on it because many people prefered it over the japanese voices That has nothing to do with the quality of the dub. on Amazon(JP) they sell most shows(that have dubs) with the dub included(Mushishi, elfen lied, Last exile etc..). So it might not be that they liked the voices, but that it's just cheaper. After all, they are dual audio. |
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IntroverTurtle said: Yes I've heard it's because it's way cheaper to import from America than to buy it in Japan. Makes sense really. Why spend $300+ on a 12 episode series when you can import it for $50 - $100 Saves a lot of money. |
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IntroverTurtle said: Yes I've heard it's because it's way cheaper to import from America than to buy it in Japan. That it became a problem, I believe some users on here were talking about it. Normal Japanese people reverse importing because of the big prices in Japan. So it might not be that they liked the voices, but that it's just cheaper. After all, they are dual audio. I just did some more looking around on Amazon.jp. And Monster gets sold with The French dub and French/Dutch subtitles. Which makes it pretty obvious its imported from Belgium. Its not like the Dutch subs have any usage to the Japanese. |
Manglex said: IntroverTurtle said: All Englsih dubs are bad. I call to the stand, Baccano! Don't forget how awesome Ocean's dubs(besides Dragon Ball Z) are! Death Note and Black Lagoon are both amazing dubbed! They also did a good job on Shakugan no Shana(better then Funi that's for sure). |
rederoin said: Well, the English dub was never released on DVD in the US past the first collection despite the fact that they had already dubbed the entire show and aired it on TV. It's a real shame because the dub is fantastic. But what do I care?IntroverTurtle said: Yes I've heard it's because it's way cheaper to import from America than to buy it in Japan. That it became a problem, I believe some users on here were talking about it. Normal Japanese people reverse importing because of the big prices in Japan. So it might not be that they liked the voices, but that it's just cheaper. After all, they are dual audio. I just did some more looking around on Amazon.jp. And Monster gets sold with The French dub and French/Dutch subtitles. Which makes it pretty obvious its imported from Belgium. Its not like the Dutch subs have any usage to the Japanese. figuette said: In Japanese it's nothing more than a trashy ecchi comedy. In English, it's a trashy ecchi comedy masterpiece. The guy who voiced Kintaro quit voice acting because he didn't want to be faced with the challenge of topping that performance. And to be perfectly honest I can't blame himThe voices in the English dub of Golden Boy are so "retarded" that it makes the comedy in it much more enjoyable, I really don't care for the Japanese version of it. |
SeibaaHomuJul 13, 2013 5:33 PM
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| There are tons of shows I enjoyed dubbed that aren't mature (Baka and Test, HOTD, Soul Eater). But this isn't about the topic. The way I see it, mature anime in (English) dub generally sound better because the VA's don't have to alter their voices so much to get into character (since their characters are adults) so they act out their roles better without worrying about sounding like a high school boy/girl/moeblob. Same could be said about mature anime in Japanese. |
IntroverTurtle said: mattbenz99 said: So dub watchers aren't arguing about all anime? Only anime that are dubbed which is only small part. Face it, that's a con with only watching dubs.with airing anime you have to watch in japanese yes but that is not what dub watchers are arguing about. they are saying if you want to watch an older show that has already been dubbed. i was dub only for years and it was only around new years that i started watching both subs and dubs and i can tell you there are no shortage of shows that have already been dubbed. in fact depending on how fast you watch anime there are enough english dubbed anime out there to keep you busy for years as i did me. in fact the only reason i started watching subbed anime was because i kept being told by my friends "you have to watch this show." now i do watch more subs than dubs because i have gone completely legal and subs are more available for legal stream than dubs but i still watch dubs whenever i get the chance. mostly when i buy the dvds. There is a shortage, a steep one compared to the amount of anime subbed. I wouldn't have been able to watch the amount of anime I've watched subbed, dubbed. True or false? Yes but you also watch quite slow. I had watched how many you've watched in about a year, maybe a little longer. You're once again saying that it's more convenient to watch subs as they come out when it's airing. You're friends would be done talking about an anime by the time you watched it dubbed, if it ever did get dubbed. you cant compare everyone to yourself you watch anime at an ungodly rate i watched anime to sit down and enjoy it. it is harder to enjoy anime when you have to spend so much effort reading text at the bottom of the screen instead of just relaxing like you can with dubs. plus you were wrong about the hype dying down by the time sword art online gets dubbed because it is going to be on toonami so the hype is going to shoot right back up |
mattbenz99Jul 13, 2013 7:45 PM
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| I'm not going to argue completely on "Dubs suck." I started out as a dub watcher and was a strict one too (meaning I only watched Dub) Then I started to watch sub and MAN that was a huge change. All in all, yes, Subs are 95% of time better than dubs, but there is many REALLY good dubs out there. For example (One Piece, Bleach, Yu Yu Hakusho, etc.) |
| I think it's fair to say that the only Anime that suffers from bad dubbing in North America is most Ecchi and most Sentai Filmworks dubs. I mean seriously, so many people listen to the dub trailers and go "MY EARS MY EARS" as if the dub trailer is meant to show off the dub at its absolute best in showing a few out of context clips which were probably not even used in the actual dub. Because of that, a lot of people like to see the dubs for K-ON! and Madoka as atrocities when I think it's fair to say they're on par with the Japanese version beyond the trailer (bar season 2 of K-ON!, that was rushed and poorly translated). It's different, but it's high quality. In a time where you just need a good mic and basic editing skills to make your own dub, do you really think that a professional company dedicated to Anime dubbing is bringing in randoms off the streets? With that being said, there's plenty of great dubs for shows that aren't very mature. Cromartie High School and recently Panty & Stocking are the best examples I can think of. |
ClowCardBristle said: I think it's fair to say that the only Anime that suffers from bad dubbing in North America is most Ecchi and most Sentai Filmworks dubs. I mean seriously, so many people listen to the dub trailers and go "MY EARS MY EARS" as if the dub trailer is meant to show off the dub at its absolute best in showing a few out of context clips which were probably not even used in the actual dub. Because of that, a lot of people like to see the dubs for K-ON! and Madoka as atrocities when I think it's fair to say they're on par with the Japanese version beyond the trailer (bar season 2 of K-ON!, that was rushed and poorly translated). It's different, but it's high quality. In a time where you just need a good mic and basic editing skills to make your own dub, do you really think that a professional company dedicated to Anime dubbing is bringing in randoms off the streets? With that being said, there's plenty of great dubs for shows that aren't very mature. Cromartie High School and recently Panty & Stocking are the best examples I can think of. is panty and stockings good? i have recently went completely legal so if i were to watch that show i would need to go into a store and buy it. normally that is no problem but for a show with an name like that it can be a little embarrassing. so i want to know is it worth it? |
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mattbenz99 said: you cant compare everyone to yourself you watch anime at an ungodly rate i watched anime to sit down and enjoy it. it is harder to enjoy anime when you have to spend so much effort reading text at the bottom of the screen instead of just relaxing like you can with dubs. rederoin said: Although I'm rather ignorant on dubs, since I watch subs/raw whenever possible. I prefer it to be in the original language(no matter what country the show/movie is from). I grew up on watching subbed shows from when I could read(2nd grade) to when I could understand English(5th/6th grade), so reading subs is like second-nature to me. English is also not my native tongue This basically the same for me. I find it ridiculous that someone can't keep up with subtitles or it takes them effort to read and focus on the anime and no it's not more relaxing with dub. I actually watch US movies/tv shows with English subtitles when I feel like it. |
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mattbenz99 said: I don't watch it an an ungodly rate and the fact remains that I probably wouldn't be able to watch this much if I only watched dubbed, yet I still haven't watched 15% of all anime out there. It's harder for YOU to sit there and enjoy anime because you have to keep your eyes glued at the bottom of the screen(probably because you don't watch much subbed). I and other sub watchers have no problem, we barely even have to look at the subtitles, you can read a whole sentence at a glance at the bottom of your vision. And to me it isn't relaxing hearing English voices in anime, it doesn't fit and I don't like how they sound.you cant compare everyone to yourself you watch anime at an ungodly rate i watched anime to sit down and enjoy it. it is harder to enjoy anime when you have to spend so much effort reading text at the bottom of the screen instead of just relaxing like you can with dubs. plus you were wrong about the hype dying down by the time sword art online gets dubbed because it is going to be on toonami so the hype is going to shoot right back up For Sword Art Online maybe not other anime, and it's still not going to be as big on MAL as it was when it first aired. |
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tsudecimo said: mattbenz99 said: you cant compare everyone to yourself you watch anime at an ungodly rate i watched anime to sit down and enjoy it. it is harder to enjoy anime when you have to spend so much effort reading text at the bottom of the screen instead of just relaxing like you can with dubs. rederoin said: Although I'm rather ignorant on dubs, since I watch subs/raw whenever possible. I prefer it to be in the original language(no matter what country the show/movie is from). I grew up on watching subbed shows from when I could read(2nd grade) to when I could understand English(5th/6th grade), so reading subs is like second-nature to me. English is also not my native tongue This basically the same for me. I find it ridiculous that someone can't keep up with subtitles or it takes them effort to read and focus on the anime and no it's not more relaxing with dub. I actually watch US movies/tv shows with English subtitles when I feel like it. i watch movies with subtitles on sometimes also but that is for if i dont hear a word or something or mishear something but i still depend on what i am hearing for anime they might as well be speaking gibberish and it will make the exact same amount of sense to me. it doesnt matter what you think anime was not made to be watched with subtitles it was made for people to watch and hear the dialogue. that is why most of the creators of show like dubs and sometimes participate in the creation of them. |
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mattbenz99 said: Anime was not made to be watched in English except for a select few.i watch movies with subtitles on sometimes also but that is for if i dont hear a word or something or mishear something but i still depend on what i am hearing for anime they might as well be speaking gibberish and it will make the exact same amount of sense to me. it doesnt matter what you think anime was not made to be watched with subtitles it was made for people to watch and hear the dialogue. that is why most of the creators of show like dubs and sometimes participate in the creation of them. |
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mattbenz99 said: it doesnt matter what you think anime was not made to be watched with subtitles it was made for people to watch and hear the dialogue. That's why I watch sub. Anyway this isn't really going anywhere. |
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IntroverTurtle said: mattbenz99 said: I don't watch it an an ungodly rate and the fact remains that I probably wouldn't be able to watch this much if I only watched dubbed, yet I still haven't watched 15% of all anime out there. It's harder for YOU to sit there and enjoy anime because you have to keep your eyes glued at the bottom of the screen(probably because you don't watch much subbed). I and other sub watchers have no problem, we barely even have to look at the subtitles, you can read a whole sentence at a glance at the bottom of your vision. And to me it isn't relaxing hearing English voices in anime, it doesn't fit and I don't like how they sound.you cant compare everyone to yourself you watch anime at an ungodly rate i watched anime to sit down and enjoy it. it is harder to enjoy anime when you have to spend so much effort reading text at the bottom of the screen instead of just relaxing like you can with dubs. plus you were wrong about the hype dying down by the time sword art online gets dubbed because it is going to be on toonami so the hype is going to shoot right back up For Sword Art Online maybe not other anime, and it's still not going to be as big on MAL as it was when it first aired. here is the difference between you and me i watch only legally obtained anime. i didnt always do this but i do it now. so i have to buy my anime or find it or crunchyroll like sites. i can never watch as many anime as you. so to me you watch at an ungodly rate because you are a pirate. |
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