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DraconisMarch said: Is this for real? Tari Tari is at the top? lol. seishi-sama said: Uh, Tari Tari actually sells?.. Such a cheap and half-assed work doesn't really deserve it. :/ These. I dont' see why it's so highly ranked when it's just a very average slice of life with some drama thrown in and pretty art. It's a shame it's these shows that do good and will probably get second seasons when good stuff like Kokoro Connect are doomed. Nice job, Japan. Now I finally understand why people hate the moe craze. |
jmal said: SincerelyMakoto said: You realize people who like to rant about "moe" (while having no idea what it means, but that's another discussion) are likely to trash Kokoro Connect along the exact same lines, right? Anything with school-aged female characters gets thrown under the moe-hater bus these days. Don't buy into that nonsense just because a show you like is selling poorly. I'm not a fan of Tari Tari, and I am a fan of Kokoro Connect (I'm even importing the BDs), but so what - sometimes I like shows that sell well, sometimes I like shows that don't. It's not the end of the world. If you want shows you like to sell better, then start spending that money and import them. It's really the only way to make a difference.Nice job, Japan. Now I finally understand why people hate the moe craze. I think what Makoto meant is how Tari Tari relies more on it's moe factor then Kokoro does to some extent. Also, what are some good sites to import DVD's and how much does it cost in U.S. Currency to do so? I don't speak Japanese though and I have no idea if they're available with subtitles or not. |
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| Oh. Saw it only now. Really bad sales of Moyashimon S2. Especially after S1 sold about 8k average. And I so hoped for more ((( |
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| @Jmal holy crap bro, I just checked and SAO's Volume one's sale estimates are 60k, i know i shouln't get my hopes up, but damn jumping from 40 to 60k in one night lol SincerelyMakoto said: Nice job, Japan. Now I finally understand why people hate the moe craze. I don't think people hate the moe craze, except for those foreigners who claim to dislike it yet they have a character from Kanon as favourite and joined a Clannad and Madoka club. Makes so much sense. |
Downgrade355Sep 11, 2012 2:25 PM
| Proud for all the Kuroko character songs. But more so for my undying love of these songs right here. *9, *,*14,245 *,*14,245 Uta no☆Prince-sama♪ Maji Love 1000% Idol Song Ranmaru & Camus YESSSSSS. As if I haven't listened to those 50 thousand times already, and going~ |
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SincerelyMakoto said: I dont' see why it's so highly ranked when it's just a very average slice of life with some drama thrown in and pretty art. It's a shame it's these shows that do good and will probably get second seasons when good stuff like Kokoro Connect are doomed. Nice job, Japan. Now I finally understand why people hate the moe craze. Why do people hold Kokoro Connect in such high regard? Sure, it started out good, but now it's gotten corny as hell and it's a pain to watch after episode 5. It lacks subtlety and instead goes with "forced drama." Fuck it, MAL's taste is horrible (as shown by rankings, who the hell rated SAO #40). |
UberchuSep 11, 2012 4:15 PM
HauntingShock said: Good to see Oda up there :D And keep up the good work Hyouka~! Many got LSS'd by Joshiraku's ED theme xD Hiyouka...good work? What good work? I am not going to debate if the series is good or not, if you like or or not. But from the cold perspective of sales, Hyouka sales has been another failure for Kyoani, second in a row after the massive failure of nichijou. Sure, 8k+ are excellent for most series, but considering this is Hyouka with its super high production values, Kyoainy product, that they went all out with the animation, another moeblob again (tern not used in a derogatory form, I love K-ON which is another Kyoani moeblob) that the studio reunited all the K-ON cast even when 4 of them are support characters and one the female lead...and they only end up with mere 8K-9K...its hardly a good work at all. I heard at least the novel sales increased, so i guess its not a huge failure per se, but defintely not good, surely Kyoany had a lot higher expectations out of it. |
9988 said: HauntingShock said: Good to see Oda up there :D And keep up the good work Hyouka~! Many got LSS'd by Joshiraku's ED theme xD Hiyouka...good work? What good work? I am not going to debate if the series is good or not, if you like or or not. But from the cold perspective of sales, Hyouka sales has been another failure for Kyoani, second in a row after the massive failure of nichijou. Sure, 8k+ are excellent for most series, but considering this is Hyouka with its super high production values, Kyoainy product, that they went all out with the animation, another moeblob again (tern not used in a derogatory form, I love K-ON which is another Kyoani moeblob) that the studio reunited all the K-ON cast even when 4 of them are support characters and one the female lead...and they only end up with mere 8K-9K...its hardly a good work at all. I heard at least the novel sales increased, so i guess its not a huge failure per se, but defintely not good, surely Kyoany had a lot higher expectations out of it. Hyouka is not a failure actually, It was ranked no.3 of spring anime sales and the sales level are very consistent. If updated, vol.1 is definitely sold more than 10k, vol.2 9.8 k, vol.3 is now 9.4k. Although the sales are not as bis as other KyoAni show, I think the sales are pretty good. |
Vizi_Reality said: 9988 said: HauntingShock said: Good to see Oda up there :D And keep up the good work Hyouka~! Many got LSS'd by Joshiraku's ED theme xD Hiyouka...good work? What good work? I am not going to debate if the series is good or not, if you like or or not. But from the cold perspective of sales, Hyouka sales has been another failure for Kyoani, second in a row after the massive failure of nichijou. Sure, 8k+ are excellent for most series, but considering this is Hyouka with its super high production values, Kyoainy product, that they went all out with the animation, another moeblob again (tern not used in a derogatory form, I love K-ON which is another Kyoani moeblob) that the studio reunited all the K-ON cast even when 4 of them are support characters and one the female lead...and they only end up with mere 8K-9K...its hardly a good work at all. I heard at least the novel sales increased, so i guess its not a huge failure per se, but defintely not good, surely Kyoany had a lot higher expectations out of it. Hyouka is not a failure actually, It was ranked no.3 of spring anime sales and the sales level are very consistent. If updated, vol.1 is definitely sold more than 10k, vol.2 9.8 k, vol.3 is now 9.4k. Although the sales are not as bis as other KyoAni show, I think the sales are pretty good. The rank is irrelevant when looking at its sales alone, when you judge it based on the spring season which did not had other high profile titles to compete with, 8k-9k is low no matter how you want to justify it, it low for this kind of series with eh characteristics I point out, its rank is lower if you compare all releases for the year. As an example, GTAV is released with no other high profile hitters, it sells 3 million and is rank 1 for several weeks...is it still a success for this franchise by Rockastar which usually sells 7/8+ millions during the first couple months or so? NO right, the same happened with Hyouka no matter how you justify it, for a product of its quality, by Kyoani that undoubtedly worked it to be a bigger success and ends up with low sales, the audience it targeted and how its another moeblob which Kyoani has had much success with in the past, the series by itself is a failure in my eyes, if you combine like boosted novels it may not be that bad, and surely its not selling as bad as nichijou, that one really was a massive failure, then it can be debatable, and maybe you can argue that its barely acceptable. |
9988 said: HauntingShock said: Good to see Oda up there :D And keep up the good work Hyouka~! Many got LSS'd by Joshiraku's ED theme xD Hiyouka...good work? What good work? I am not going to debate if the series is good or not, if you like or or not. But from the cold perspective of sales, Hyouka sales has been another failure for Kyoani, second in a row after the massive failure of nichijou. Sure, 8k+ are excellent for most series, but considering this is Hyouka with its super high production values, Kyoainy product, that they went all out with the animation, another moeblob again (tern not used in a derogatory form, I love K-ON which is another Kyoani moeblob) that the studio reunited all the K-ON cast even when 4 of them are support characters and one the female lead...and they only end up with mere 8K-9K...its hardly a good work at all. I heard at least the novel sales increased, so i guess its not a huge failure per se, but defintely not good, surely Kyoany had a lot higher expectations out of it. Compared to all the other shows that you see released, it's pretty good, but you're right for the type of animation it has, it should be more. Also comparing sales between anime is just dumb. I know you're trying to give an example, but showing it between games instead of the same field of industry shows nothing. |
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Uberchu said: Why do people hold Kokoro Connect in such high regard? Sure, it started out good, but now it's gotten corny as hell and it's a pain to watch after episode 5. It lacks subtlety and instead goes with "forced drama." Fuck it, MAL's taste is horrible (as shown by rankings, who the hell rated SAO #40). You just realized? The rankings on MAL are outrageous, and as apathetic of a person i am, i really do think MAL's taste is horrible, and so is half its community, no offense to anyone, but that's my opinion. But then again, the internet is a perfect place for such people to gather in. Also, Kokoro connect was by no means good, it was some kind of a K-ON rip-off with male characters thrown in (Which was, apparently, more of a - than a +). |
Downgrade355 said: Also, Kokoro connect was by no means good, it was some kind of a K-ON rip-off with male characters thrown in (Which was, apparently, more of a - than a +). I wouldn't really call Kokoro Connect a K-ON! ripoff. It actually has a plot, and it's not just cute school kids do cute things. It's more of a psychological analysis than anything. However, I would say it is poorly done, for reasons I stated earlier and another reason I just realized. Kokoro Connect doesn't follow "show, don't tell." We're told Iori switches personalities, but we're just told that, and we never really see it happen (discounting episode 5, but it was a minor instance and didn't come out again). We're also just told Inaba doesn't trust people, but some better foreshadowing would've done wonders. Anyway, the rant is over. imo, the real best anime of the season is actually Tari Tari (surprise, surprise). Everything else has a major flaw that hampers enjoyment. |
9988 said: The rank is irrelevant when looking at its sales alone, when you judge it based on the spring season which did not had other high profile titles to compete with, 8k-9k is low no matter how you want to justify it, it low for this kind of series with eh characteristics I point out, its rank is lower if you compare all releases for the year. As an example, GTAV is released with no other high profile hitters, it sells 3 million and is rank 1 for several weeks...is it still a success for this franchise by Rockastar which usually sells 7/8+ millions during the first couple months or so? NO right, the same happened with Hyouka no matter how you justify it, for a product of its quality, by Kyoani that undoubtedly worked it to be a bigger success and ends up with low sales, the audience it targeted and how its another moeblob which Kyoani has had much success with in the past, the series by itself is a failure in my eyes, if you combine like boosted novels it may not be that bad, and surely its not selling as bad as nichijou, that one really was a massive failure, then it can be debatable, and maybe you can argue that its barely acceptable. You have to remember that unlike most 2 cour shows, Hyouka has only 2 episodes per BluRay. That makes the value of each BD less than a conventional show, so sales of ~8k per volume equate to more like 11k for a normal 2 cour anime. In anyones books that's pretty good sales. |
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Uberchu said: Why do people hold Kokoro Connect in such high regard? Sure, it started out good, but now it's gotten corny as hell and it's a pain to watch after episode 5. It lacks subtlety and instead goes with "forced drama." You're not alone,I might be enjoying it more than you but I'm baffled at MAL's love affair with Kokoro connect,meanwhile Tari Tari has been making my sundays brighter for the past couple months, so in this case I'm quite pleased that Tari Tari is what's selling (though really,apart from having high schoolers as a cast,the 2 shows have very little in common so I hate mentioning the two together like that) |
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9988 said: If you ask me, considering it's consistently averaged 9.4k, it's doing pretty damn good.HauntingShock said: Good to see Oda up there :D And keep up the good work Hyouka~! Many got LSS'd by Joshiraku's ED theme xD Hiyouka...good work? What good work? I am not going to debate if the series is good or not, if you like or or not. But from the cold perspective of sales, Hyouka sales has been another failure for Kyoani, second in a row after the massive failure of nichijou. Sure, 8k+ are excellent for most series, but considering this is Hyouka with its super high production values, Kyoainy product, that they went all out with the animation, another moeblob again (tern not used in a derogatory form, I love K-ON which is another Kyoani moeblob) that the studio reunited all the K-ON cast even when 4 of them are support characters and one the female lead...and they only end up with mere 8K-9K...its hardly a good work at all. I heard at least the novel sales increased, so i guess its not a huge failure per se, but defintely not good, surely Kyoany had a lot higher expectations out of it. Only 96 anime have ever broken the 10k average mark. To expect every show by KyoAni to break that is unrealistic. To put things in perspective, an average anime ep costs 11m yen to make. If we assume KyoAni's production values are double that, they would need more than 44m yen in sales per volume to profit. With 9.4k @ 7k yen per volume, they're making roughly 65.8m. I don't know about you, but 50% profit is pretty good. That doesn't even count the huge boost it got in light novel sales, nor does it count music and other merchandise. Jmal correct me if I'm wrong please :P |
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jmal said: Agreed.. It's really silly that there are some people that think Hyouka is a failure for selling under 10k. Or put it another way: nobody would hire KyoAni if the only possible way to make a profit on your investment was for the show to sell ~20k. Any studio would kill to get the #'s Hyouka is getting. Obviously 10k+ is way better, but that's a feat few anime reach which a lot of people don't realize. |
YveseSep 11, 2012 9:43 PM
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| Im kinda glad to see Acchi Kocchi up there. I thought it was a cool calm anime. Plus i want to see a season two. |
Yvese said: jmal said: Agreed.. It's really silly that there are some people that think Hyouka is a failure for selling under 10k. Or put it another way: nobody would hire KyoAni if the only possible way to make a profit on your investment was for the show to sell ~20k. Any studio would kill to get the #'s Hyouka is getting. Obviously 10k+ is way better, but that's a feat few anime reach which a lot of people don't realize. Maybe because some people are comparing anime sales to manga sales and go by that unreasonable standard? 10k for a manga is terrible, for an anime it's a success, if i had to guess i'd say a 10k anime = 100k+ manga in terms of popularity and success. although suprisingly most mangas with around that much sales don't tend to be "popular", i learned over the course of years that just because something sells doesn't mean it's popular, and vice versa. specifically Mangas and Visual novels, there was This VN that ranked first for two weeks on Amazon, but the reviews were mostly 1-3 star ratings. proves something lol the point is, people should stop comparing different things, if the Studio is happy with the sales, then what is it to you? Let them celebrate and it's up to them to decide whether they make a sequel or not. |
Downgrade355 said: Uberchu said: Why do people hold Kokoro Connect in such high regard? Sure, it started out good, but now it's gotten corny as hell and it's a pain to watch after episode 5. It lacks subtlety and instead goes with "forced drama." Fuck it, MAL's taste is horrible (as shown by rankings, who the hell rated SAO #40). You just realized? The rankings on MAL are outrageous, and as apathetic of a person i am, i really do think MAL's taste is horrible, and so is half its community, no offense to anyone, but that's my opinion. But then again, the internet is a perfect place for such people to gather in. Also, Kokoro connect was by no means good, it was some kind of a K-ON rip-off with male characters thrown in (Which was, apparently, more of a - than a +). If you think that the community has horrible taste, why are you still on this forum? I mean, why are you even reading and posting here? |
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Soshinra said: If you think that the community has horrible taste, why are you still on this forum? I mean, why are you even reading and posting here? Notice how i said "half", and i'm reading and posting here because i can. i'm staying here because the other half of the community is worth it, is there a problem? |
| seems like totoro will be in the rankings for quite awhile more. Grats to SAO although it was quite expected and of course to Tari Tari really didn't see that coming :O |
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Uberchu said: SincerelyMakoto said: I dont' see why it's so highly ranked when it's just a very average slice of life with some drama thrown in and pretty art. It's a shame it's these shows that do good and will probably get second seasons when good stuff like Kokoro Connect are doomed. Nice job, Japan. Now I finally understand why people hate the moe craze. Why do people hold Kokoro Connect in such high regard? Sure, it started out good, but now it's gotten corny as hell and it's a pain to watch after episode 5. It lacks subtlety and instead goes with "forced drama." Fuck it, MAL's taste is horrible (as shown by rankings, who the hell rated SAO #40). Stop liking what I don't like!!! Damn, Kuroko no Yaoi Bait is selling a lot. |
| I am new to MAL so I think I'd better introduce myself here. I have been a keen anime fan for decades (yes, decades) and I have been tracking anime sales for the last few years. I also know Japanese and most of my anime time (if not watching actual anime) is spent on checking Japanese sites. I bumped into this MAL thread because the sales details are no longer quoted in the usual places in Japan forums or 2ch threads because of threats of Oricon about copying their sales data (because those data are supposed to be available only to paying subscribers). Currently I am following more than 15 late night anime shows and to me this season has proved surprisingly good so far. I hope I can contribute to the discussion with some perspective coming from Japanese anime fandom. SincerelyMakoto said: DraconisMarch said: Is this for real? Tari Tari is at the top? lol. seishi-sama said: Uh, Tari Tari actually sells?.. Such a cheap and half-assed work doesn't really deserve it. :/ These. I dont' see why it's so highly ranked when it's just a very average slice of life with some drama thrown in and pretty art. It's a shame it's these shows that do good and will probably get second seasons when good stuff like Kokoro Connect are doomed. Nice job, Japan. Now I finally understand why people hate the moe craze. I think we have to be careful about blaming things on MOE. In Japan, MOE factors serve to pull in people and as importantly get them to buy the BD/DVD and the merchandise (since BD/DVD sales is so limited merchandise sales is becoming an important part of the business model of an anime). My observation is that those fans in Japan who are not taken in by the MOE factors just ignore them (unless it is massively applied like in the case of harem anime) but quite many fans in the west often take them as offending or annoying and this often affects their appraisals of the anime. For Tari Tari, at first many fans (I included) just took it as a beautifully drawn anime with slice-of-life happening (which I don't mind as I like SoL myself) and the animation quality, music and character design was good enough for TT to start as relatively high rank in terms of sale forecast among this season's anime. However, the big boost to TT's fortune came after the conclusion of Wakana's arc in ep.5-6. It can be said that those two episodes were single-handedly responsible to boost TT to the upper rank of this season's anime. In my opinion that story was beautifully written, skilfully directed and brilliantly performed by the seiyuu -- I literally shed tears watching the episodes. The way I see it, MOE alone could not push an anime to a top position. At most it can only secure a floor for the sales (and even that it can sometimes fail). On the other hand, an anime with good story or good animation (sakuga) but without sufficient MOE contents would find it hard to get the people to buy the stuff. It needs a combination of several things to create a popular anime that sells. That said, Tari Tari coming as top is only temporary because we will see Sword Art Online (SAO) and Fate/Zero season 2 coming to sale soon. But in terms of the "4 best" in this season, it is almost sure that TT will take a 3rd place after SAO and F/Z, with the fourth place still not clear. TT's sales at below 8000 is clearly a disappointment. Not only because it falls significantly below what the stalker predicts, but also because TT fans believe it is as good as, if not better than, PA's previous anime Hanasaku Iroha. Yet while Iroha sold more than 8500 copies in BD, TT only sold 7800. TT fans indeed hoped that it would pass the 10,000 mark, making it a clear big hit, but it turned out to be weaker than even Iroha. Downgrade355 said: Uberchu said: Why do people hold Kokoro Connect in such high regard? Sure, it started out good, but now it's gotten corny as hell and it's a pain to watch after episode 5. It lacks subtlety and instead goes with "forced drama." Fuck it, MAL's taste is horrible (as shown by rankings, who the hell rated SAO #40). You just realized? The rankings on MAL are outrageous, and as apathetic of a person i am, i really do think MAL's taste is horrible, and so is half its community, no offense to anyone, but that's my opinion. But then again, the internet is a perfect place for such people to gather in. Also, Kokoro connect was by no means good, it was some kind of a K-ON rip-off with male characters thrown in (Which was, apparently, more of a - than a +). To be honest, I have never read comments in Japan site that complained Kokoro Connect (KC) is a K-On rip-off. To me the two also look vastly different. The only comments that keep harping on KC being a K-On rip-off are mostly western fans who are relatively new to anime (no, I am not saying you are one of them, please don't take it personally). The characters of KC look like K-On only because the illustrator of the KC light novel happens to be also the person who did the character design for K-On anime. In terms of story, K-On is more like a standard slice-of-life which is filled with trivial daily episodes that are heart-warming and comforting and there is no fantasy/supernatural element, while KC has a group of students who are mercilessly experimented on by a supernatural being and the drama can be tense and very discomforting. Although both anime put stress on friendship and bonding in a high school setting, the approach and the emotions explored are very different. For me, KC does not belong to slice-of-life at all because it has a strong drama element that is usually considered off-limit to a SoL anime. In fact, many SoL fans in Japan were turned off by KC because they expected an usual SoL anime but in turn got an anime that is, in one fan's commet, "too real to be pleasant to watch". For me, it is precisely that kind of "reality", which reflects a group of teenagers with adolescent view that can take relationship with their pals very seriously but often is not really sure about who his/her real self is, that attracts me to this anime (and the light novel). Besides that I would also point out that the seiyuu were particularly great in this anime when they had to act to speak like somebody else when they keep finding themselves in another person's body. I do not check MAL's rankings so I am not sure how high KC is ranked there, but to me it is one of the anime that I rank very high among the anime this season not least because it is so special. As for its sales, it would not look good. Before the ijime incident, it was already hovering just below the average link for this season's anime, but it was creeping up as more people discovered its unique appeal. However after the horrible attacks by mad "fans" in Japan's internet, it gathered a huge number of horrible "reviews" in Amazon Japan and its ranking dropped significantly. I would say that its original line is between 2000-3000 but now I doubt if it can sell more than 2000, which is a real shame. For those who wonder which anime I rank highest for this season, here are the anime that prove to be pleasant surprise to me: Oda Nobuna no Yabou (much much better than expected -- but the sales so far is just so-so: good from a strict sales point of view but given its sakuga quality, character design and adherence to the original light novel, it should sell more) Tari Tari Jinrui ha Suitai shimashita (really surprising content - a good example of how great MOE and interesting contents can mix together to create a popular anime) Yuru Yuri 2 (ok, I admit I am a great fan of YY but honestly I think the season 2 is even better than season 1) Rinne no Lagrange 2 (season 2 is definitely better than season 1, not least because of Yurikano) Dog Days 2 (same as above, season 2 is better than season 1 -- the darker element in season 1 actually reduced the attraction of the anime, so season 2 made a right decision of getting rid of that and introduce more characters into it) Kokoro Connect JoshiRaku |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: I am new to MAL so I think I'd better introduce myself here. I have been a keen anime fan for decades (yes, decades) and I have been tracking anime sales for the last few years. I also know Japanese and most of my anime time (if not watching actual anime) is spent on checking Japanese sites. I bumped into this MAL thread because the sales details are no longer quoted in the usual places in Japan forums or 2ch threads because of threats of Oricon about copying their sales data (because those data are supposed to be available only to paying subscribers). Currently I am following more than 15 late night anime shows and to me this season has proved surprisingly good so far. I hope I can contribute to the discussion with some perspective coming from Japanese anime fandom. SincerelyMakoto said: DraconisMarch said: Is this for real? Tari Tari is at the top? lol. seishi-sama said: Uh, Tari Tari actually sells?.. Such a cheap and half-assed work doesn't really deserve it. :/ These. I dont' see why it's so highly ranked when it's just a very average slice of life with some drama thrown in and pretty art. It's a shame it's these shows that do good and will probably get second seasons when good stuff like Kokoro Connect are doomed. Nice job, Japan. Now I finally understand why people hate the moe craze. I think we have to be careful about blaming things on MOE. In Japan, MOE factors serve to pull in people and as importantly get them to buy the BD/DVD and the merchandise (since BD/DVD sales is so limited merchandise sales is becoming an important part of the business model of an anime). My observation is that those fans in Japan who are not taken in by the MOE factors just ignore them (unless it is massively applied like in the case of harem anime) but quite many fans in the west often take them as offending or annoying and this often affects their appraisals of the anime. For Tari Tari, at first many fans (I included) just took it as a beautifully drawn anime with slice-of-life happening (which I don't mind as I like SoL myself) and the animation quality, music and character design was good enough for TT to start as relatively high rank in terms of sale forecast among this season's anime. However, the big boost to TT's fortune came after the conclusion of Wakana's arc in ep.5-6. It can be said that those two episodes were single-handedly responsible to boost TT to the upper rank of this season's anime. In my opinion that story was beautifully written, skilfully directed and brilliantly performed by the seiyuu -- I literally shed tears watching the episodes. The way I see it, MOE alone could not push an anime to a top position. At most it can only secure a floor for the sales (and even that it can sometimes fail). On the other hand, an anime with good story or good animation (sakuga) but without sufficient MOE contents would find it hard to get the people to buy the stuff. It needs a combination of several things to create a popular anime that sells. That said, Tari Tari coming as top is only temporary because we will see Sword Art Online (SAO) and Fate/Zero season 2 coming to sale soon. But in terms of the "4 best" in this season, it is almost sure that TT will take a 3rd place after SAO and F/Z, with the fourth place still not clear. TT's sales at below 8000 is clearly a disappointment. Not only because it falls significantly below what the stalker predicts, but also because TT fans believe it is as good as, if not better than, PA's previous anime Hanasaku Iroha. Yet while Iroha sold more than 8500 copies in BD, TT only sold 7800. TT fans indeed hoped that it would pass the 10,000 mark, making it a clear big hit, but it turned out to be weaker than even Iroha. Downgrade355 said: Uberchu said: Why do people hold Kokoro Connect in such high regard? Sure, it started out good, but now it's gotten corny as hell and it's a pain to watch after episode 5. It lacks subtlety and instead goes with "forced drama." Fuck it, MAL's taste is horrible (as shown by rankings, who the hell rated SAO #40). You just realized? The rankings on MAL are outrageous, and as apathetic of a person i am, i really do think MAL's taste is horrible, and so is half its community, no offense to anyone, but that's my opinion. But then again, the internet is a perfect place for such people to gather in. Also, Kokoro connect was by no means good, it was some kind of a K-ON rip-off with male characters thrown in (Which was, apparently, more of a - than a +). To be honest, I have never read comments in Japan site that complained Kokoro Connect (KC) is a K-On rip-off. To me the two also look vastly different. The only comments that keep harping on KC being a K-On rip-off are mostly western fans who are relatively new to anime (no, I am not saying you are one of them, please don't take it personally). The characters of KC look like K-On only because the illustrator of the KC light novel happens to be also the person who did the character design for K-On anime. In terms of story, K-On is more like a standard slice-of-life which is filled with trivial daily episodes that are heart-warming and comforting and there is no fantasy/supernatural element, while KC has a group of students who are mercilessly experimented on by a supernatural being and the drama can be tense and very discomforting. Although both anime put stress on friendship and bonding in a high school setting, the approach and the emotions explored are very different. For me, KC does not belong to slice-of-life at all because it has a strong drama element that is usually considered off-limit to a SoL anime. In fact, many SoL fans in Japan were turned off by KC because they expected an usual SoL anime but in turn got an anime that is, in one fan's commet, "too real to be pleasant to watch". For me, it is precisely that kind of "reality", which reflects a group of teenagers with adolescent view that can take relationship with their pals very seriously but often is not really sure about who his/her real self is, that attracts me to this anime (and the light novel). Besides that I would also point out that the seiyuu were particularly great in this anime when they had to act to speak like somebody else when they keep finding themselves in another person's body. I do not check MAL's rankings so I am not sure how high KC is ranked there, but to me it is one of the anime that I rank very high among the anime this season not least because it is so special. As for its sales, it would not look good. Before the ijime incident, it was already hovering just below the average link for this season's anime, but it was creeping up as more people discovered its unique appeal. However after the horrible attacks by mad "fans" in Japan's internet, it gathered a huge number of horrible "reviews" in Amazon Japan and its ranking dropped significantly. I would say that its original line is between 2000-3000 but now I doubt if it can sell more than 2000, which is a real shame. For those who wonder which anime I rank highest for this season, here are the anime that prove to be pleasant surprise to me: Oda Nobuna no Yabou (much much better than expected -- but the sales so far is just so-so: good from a strict sales point of view but given its sakuga quality, character design and adherence to the original light novel, it should sell more) Tari Tari Jinrui ha Suitai shimashita (really surprising content - a good example of how great MOE and interesting contents can mix together to create a popular anime) Yuru Yuri 2 (ok, I admit I am a great fan of YY but honestly I think the season 2 is even better than season 1) Rinne no Lagrange 2 (season 2 is definitely better than season 1, not least because of Yurikano) Dog Days 2 (same as above, season 2 is better than season 1 -- the darker element in season 1 actually reduced the attraction of the anime, so season 2 made a right decision of getting rid of that and introduce more characters into it) Kokoro Connect JoshiRaku Nice post. Yes I agree on you about Tari Tari. It did really start to shine for me at the conclusion of the Wakana arc. It was just so well written and well presented that it propelled into my Top 4 of the "Summer" Season (Sword Art Online, Kokoro Connect & Yuru Yuri♪♪, being the other 3). I do find it annoying that some western fans use derogatory terms such as "moeblob", for things they dislike. Some are disgruntled that the market has turned to "moe" over the last decade, to use as one of its selling points. It's a shame about the "incident". Kokoro Connect looks likely to not get a 2nd Season as a result... but idk if its projected sales before the incident was sufficient enough for a 2nd Season anyway. Is Oda and Jinrui, really that good? Those are the only anime i'm not watching that's on that list xD |
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Ejc said: Yes I agree on you about Tari Tari. It did really start to shine for me at the conclusion of the Wakana arc. It was just so well written and well presented that it propelled into my Top 4 of the "Summer" Season (Sword Art Online, Kokoro Connect & Yuru Yuri♪♪, being the other 3). The clearest evidence that TT's jump in popularity does not have to do with MOE is fans' comments in Japan after ep.6 that mostly praised how considerate and caring Wakana's father is and how loving her mother to Wakana despite her rebelliousness, nothing of which has anything to do with MOE. Ejc said: It's a shame about the "incident". Kokoro Connect looks likely to not get a 2nd Season as a result... but idk if its projected sales before the incident was sufficient enough for a 2nd Season anyway. KC was planned with a length longer than the usual 1 cour (which is 12-13 episodes) from the very beginning as the production was forced to make it known that there will be a 14th episode (in order to placate accusations that the supposed victim of the "ijime" was forced to promote the anime without getting a job in being a seiyuu for the anime), so my guess is it never has much plan for a 2nd season unless its sales is really much better than expected (like what happened to OreImo). Ejc said: Is Oda and Jinrui, really that good? Those are the only anime i'm not watching that's on that list xD Jinrui mixes surrealist setting, black humor, social criticism, unorthodox story telling with VERY CUTE heroine (who is often more cynical than heroic) and a bunch of fairies with unpredictable powers. It is something I have never ever seen in an anime. Although many fans in Japan find the anime to their liking for whatever reason, they do not think such contents would sell but over time its ranking in Amazon JP has been moving up and now is one of the top titles in the ranking. As for Nobuna, at first I thought it is just a show about Sengoku warriors in female bodies doing cute things (like Sengoku Collection) but to my pleasant surprise it really goes through the actual history of the Sengoku period but with its own twists. Since I am a fan of Japanese history, the adherence to the actual history line is very appealing to me. I even learned quite a number of things about real history by watching the anime. The female characters of course do cute things as well as fan service but they also stick to their historical role and can fight like a real soldier if the situation demands it. The character design is superb and the sakuga, be it the still depiction or motion animation, is top-notched. The music is also atmospherically fine. The only gripes I have is that the protagonist can sound really annoying at times and I would like the heroine (Nobuna) to be mentally stronger than it is depicted in the anime/light novel. It is hard to tell why it is not selling better. Some said it may be hurt by Amazon's running out of stock for a while last week but I am not sure how much impact this has to the sales figure. Other possible reasons may include: 1) many do find the protagonist annoyingly know-it-all (quoting from game too often) 2) the heroine not "moe" enough 3) too many loli (despite what many westerners think, there are more anime fans in Japan who are turned off by loli than attracted by it) 4) otakus in Japan do not usually like sengoku period stuff and therefore the story line, which sticks fairly close to the flow of the actual history, is actually an obstacle to broadening its appeal. To me it is a really great (and unique) anime and I am tempted to buy the anime BD to show my support (as I have done to other anime that I intensely love like Madoka, Bakemonogatari and YuruYuri) I really hope Nobuna will get a second season despite the not too encouraging sales figure. The anime covers up to the end of volume 3 and currently the light novel has 9 volumes, enough material for 3 cours. |
symbvSep 12, 2012 10:44 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
jmal said: An 売りスレ refugee? Heh, welcome. 2ch still posted an abbreviated list of new stuff but the real question is if we'll see the full Thursday lists anymore. I have my fingers crossed that the dvd/bd wiki will keep updating with those. But who knows? =/ I don't usually read the 売りスレ as I am quite contented with the list posted on matome sites but when I want a full BD list (top 50) sometimes I went to the 売りスレ (Uri thread of 2ch) to get the data. However after the threat from Oricon, no site is posting a full list and the piecemeal data is posted in makeshift format that varies from one site to another, so I searched around the English-speaking sites and ended up here :p Actually I wonder how you guys got the list? Does someone subscribe to Oricon youtaiju (you大樹)? jmal said: I think we have to be careful about blaming things on MOE. You're going to have such a hard time explaining that to westerners. I've tried. See, the problem is that "moe" for these people doesn't actually mean moe at all, it's just become a shorthand for saying you don't like something that features teenaged characters and more than 1 female. It's just become a mindless, vague slur. How very true, indeed. If I am asked to define MOE I think I would say that it is certain attribute, mostly but not always assigned to a female character, that is deliberately added to increase the appeal of the character to a certain segment of the fans who watch it, so we have "megane moe" eyeglasses moe, "tojikko moe" clumsy character moe, "maid moe" maid dress moe etc etc. Those moe attributes may not be necessary for the storytelling but are there to make the character more appealing to the fans who are particularly receptive to them. Fans who are not receptive would just bypass it (for example, treating a character who wears eyeglasses just like one who does not wear them). jmal said: 4th place is definitely the big question mark right now. SAO and Horizon are huge hits, Tari Tari is solid, but I have no idea what's next. Based on past performance, Hakuouki Reimeiroku would be the best bet. if it sold like previous seasons, it would even outsell Tari Tari. But it's very hard to determine that from Amazon Stalker since it's probably being bought at other stores more than at Amazon. And it's also possible it will see a dip in sales if female fans are too busy buying KuoBas instead. Total Eclipse was on track to be a top seller initially, but then it dropped like a rock, I guess after all the visual novel fans finished their preorders. I don't know what to expect from it now. Dog Days' isn't ranking amazingly at Amazon, but neither did the first season, and it still sold 10k Vol. 1 on high non-Amazon sales. If it does it again, it could be the dark horse to take over 4th or 5th. My best guess is still Hakuouki as it was selling over 10,000 even at its third season. However, so far the anime has not made much wave but it is easy to underestimate it: as a fujoshi anime its popularity is hard to gauge in the usual anime forums or even the Amazon JP ranking. Besides Hakuouki, the candidate list for the 4th place include: Yuru Yuri 2, Dog Days 2 and Total Eclipse Obuna is supposed to be a candidate too but the recent result definitely calls this into question. Yuru Yuri and Dog Days are not shining much in Amazon JP ranking but the theory is that both are the "brick and mortar" type that sells proportionally more in real shops compared to other titles, but it is hard to tell, as a sequel, how much they are selling because a sequel is almost always expected to do less well than first season. Total Eclipse is significantly undermined by its sakuga problem, which has become a kind of ongoing joke in Japan forums. And of course there is the factor where fans who are expecting the same gory heavy fighting as in the first 2 episodes are deeply disappointed by what they see afterwards. jmal said: I'll probably import a 6th, but I haven't decided which it'll be. It was going to be Sword Art Online initially, but I'm feeling put off by a few things in the past few eps and may go with KoiChoco or Horizon II instead. Or just stick to 5, because I've got a bunch of stuff to import in the Fall. It is good to have expectation set before watching SAO. I did my homework before starting SAO so I am enjoying it pretty well. Many are turned off by misplaced expectations -- and they cannot be blamed because it really looks like it is an anime about fantasy role-playing adventure that involves real dead-or-live encounters with monsters. Those people are severely disappointed by what they see, and this is not helped by the limitation placed by the original light novel, which is made up of a bunch of short stories and a main story that jumps too much in time and skips quite a bit of character development. Personally I take it to be a story about Kirito growing out of his shelled self and, more importantly, a straightforward love story between Kirito and Asuna. Taking this into perspective, there is little doubt that episode 10 would prove to fans of the original novel that it is really what they want after all. That said, SAO is pretty lazy in terms of sakuga and directing, and in terms of combat animation it is actually less well done than, say, even Campione (not to say Nobuna), though I guess for the real fans these matter less than seeing their beloved hero and heroine actually acting out the story they read in the light novel. For me, KoiChoco follows the standard treatment made to a 18x visual novel when it is animated where it strives to incorporate various key episodes from various routes in the game to make a single story thread, and by expelling all the sex bits make the story more like a pure love story. How successful it is will have to base on how successful it is in picking the specific elements from various route and makes it appealing to fans of various heroine, particularly those who have played the game. Anyway, I do not think it will sell more than its predecessor (anime adapted from a 18x visual novel) like Fortune Arterial or Mashiroiro Symphony. |
symbvSep 12, 2012 9:00 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
jmal said: Oh it's not the structure of the story that bother me. I know a lot of people complain about time skips and side stories, but I'm okay with that. My main concern is the treatment of Asuna - I feel like she's not being taken seriously enough as a character yet by the story. We're told about how incredibly strong she is, but we haven't really seen it. I worry SAO just let be "Kirito does everything all the time and nobody else matters in fights". I think Kirito is a great male protagonist, especially compared to others, but unless Asuna is treated as his equal in story and in combat, I'll eventually lose interest. I hope episode 10 is a sign that things are changing for the better, but I'm still worried. Also, I haven't read the novels so I'm judging the anime by itself. The light novel is done as a first person narrative from Kirito's perspective so character development goes much deeper for Kirito than any other character. Some of the short stories are viewed in other character's perspective (like the one with Liz the blacksmith) but I have to agree with you that Asuna can be better portrayed. One thing that fans of the light novel gripe about is Asuna did not get to tell her past hardship and struggle before she became the celebrated vice-captain of the most famous guild there -- she used to be a girl who was so overwhelmed by the desire to go back to the real world that she thought nothing else but to perfect her skills so that she could clear each level as quickly as possible until she met Kirito and started to find other attractions to life in the virtual world. Her duel with Kirito was not depicted in the anime, and neither was her transformation from a strict disciplinarian to the character we are seeing in the anime (though she made some mention of it in the anime). Anyway, after what happened in ep.10, the two will always appear together and support each other, which is the main appeal of vol.1 in the light novel anyway. That said, I would not say Asuna is the "equal" of Kirito in combat. She is one of the topmost in terms of fighting skills but as seen in the fight with The Gleam Eyes she is not really an equal to Kirito as far as combat is concerned. BTW, jmal, since MAL allows PM only after 3 days have passed since registration, I cannot send a reply to you yet. So let me borrow this public space to reply (other readers can skip to the next section if they are not interested) ===== In fact before coming to MAL I first came to mania.com and I actually tried to register there. However the server is VERY SLOW and my attempt to register timed out after several minutes. Loading the pages was also painfully slow. Is it always the same there? I wonder if it is temporary or it has anything to do with my location. I checked the poverty thread in 2ch after the usual places failed to post the sales data as usual but even there the data are no longer posted in a full list format but only in piecemeal fashion. The data as posted in MAL are much fuller than what I saw in poverty thread. I also hope to see the top 50 BD list tomorrow. BTW, I think what Oricon offers on Tues is top 20 BD of all genres, not really the top 10 anime BD. I doubt the subscription feed has a dedicated list for anime BDs. ===== phoenixalia said: I remember seeing somewhere that NakaImo's first volume would have nude posters of the imoutos....is this for all the volumes or only for volume 1? it jumped up to rank 84 on stalker but then it dropped again....now the first volume is averaging between 150-250 and will probably drop more as days go by. guess not even nudity could save that show. not that I mind. imo, even for a fanservice show, I didn't like it. Well, the brief jump of NakaImo is definitely related to the news that a nude poster is to be included in the BD (although the introduction of a new character Houshou may also be a factor). The jump is brief as boost from such poster is always going to be limited. No information as to what "extras" are to be added to subsequent volumes but it can be expected that similar items may get included in other volumes. It is not clear if it will drop more as days go by. Past experience is that when the actual release date draws near, the ranking of the title always go up, and once it is past the release date, it will start to fall, but how quick it falls depends on how broad its popularity is. Titles with broad appeal, like Nisemonogatari, stay on relatively high position longer. So it is good news that both Tari Tari and Nobuna are still in a good position more than a week after their release date. Perhaps we may even see addition sales figures from the two titles next week. NakaImo is interesting itself because its appraisal by fans in Japan actually improved after the "DNA test" episode when it makes that scene so silly that it is hilarious to watch. Otherwise I think it is nothing too special about the show, though I would commend its character design as well as its music. |
symbvSep 12, 2012 10:25 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
phoenixalia said: Ejc said: Is Oda and Jinrui, really that good? Those are the only anime i'm not watching that's on that list xD Jinrui is on my on-hold list now but regarding Oda, I'd say its not your usual harem. it has somewhat of a plot, the characters have some depth especially Nobuna, there is very very little fanservice and the animation is superb. that said, I too am very disappointed in Oda Nobuna's sales. symbv said: Ejc said: Is Oda and Jinrui, really that good? Those are the only anime i'm not watching that's on that list xD Jinrui mixes surrealist setting, black humor, social criticism, unorthodox story telling with VERY CUTE heroine (who is often more cynical than heroic) and a bunch of fairies with unpredictable powers. It is something I have never ever seen in an anime. Although many fans in Japan find the anime to their liking for whatever reason, they do not think such contents would sell but over time its ranking in Amazon JP has been moving up and now is one of the top titles in the ranking. As for Nobuna, at first I thought it is just a show about Sengoku warriors in female bodies doing cute things (like Sengoku Collection) but to my pleasant surprise it really goes through the actual history of the Sengoku period but with its own twists. Since I am a fan of Japanese history, the adherence to the actual history line is very appealing to me. I even learned quite a number of things about real history by watching the anime. The female characters of course do cute things as well as fan service but they also stick to their historical role and can fight like a real soldier if the situation demands it. The character design is superb and the sakuga, be it the still depiction or motion animation, is top-notched. The music is also atmospherically fine. The only gripes I have is that the protagonist can sound really annoying at times and I would like the heroine (Nobuna) to be mentally stronger than it is depicted in the anime/light novel. It is hard to tell why it is not selling better. Some said it may be hurt by Amazon's running out of stock for a while last week but I am not sure how much impact this has to the sales figure. Other possible reasons may include: 1) many do find the protagonist annoyingly know-it-all (quoting from game too often) 2) the heroine not "moe" enough 3) too many loli (despite what many westerners think, there are more anime fans in Japan who are turned off by loli than attracted by it) 4) otakus in Japan do not usually like sengoku period stuff and therefore the story line, which sticks fairly close to the flow of the actual history, is actually an obstacle to broadening its appeal. To me it is a really great (and unique) anime and I am tempted to buy the anime BD to show my support (as I have done to other anime that I intensely love like Madoka, Bakemonogatari and YuruYuri) I really hope Nobuna will get a second season despite the not too encouraging sales figure. The anime covers up to the end of volume 3 and currently the light novel has 9 volumes, enough material for 3 cours. jmal said: Ejc said: Is Oda and Jinrui, really that good? Those are the only anime i'm not watching that's on that list xD Jintai is amazing if you like sarcastic humor, a bit of surrealism, and adorable fairies talking about morbid things with huge smiles. Hands down one of the most unique and interesting shows I've seen in a long time, and one of my favorite shows of the season, and therefore of my imports. Watashi is also one of my top protagonists of recent seasons, because I find that female characters don't get to play the "sarcastic inner monologues" role nearly enough, so her being something of a female Araragi Koyomi or Kyon is utterly delightful for me. It's the kind of show people who narrowmindedly complain that "all anime is the same" really [should be watching, but in many cases probably aren't because "cute female heroine, must be terrible!" Their loss. Hm... i'm actually interested in those 2 now. I'll marathon them in my holidays in a weeks time. Thanks for the information :) |
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| The MAL news team may be able to provide a list with better format, but someone has just posted the top50 BD list for the previous week (Sep 03-09): *4 -- 7,758 *7,758 *1 TARI TARI 【1】 *5 -- 6,773 *6,773 *1 Moretsu Space Pirate #7 *6 -- 3,479 *3,479 *1 Oda Nobuna no Yabou #1 *7 -- 3,157 *3,157 *1 AmagamiSS+ plus #6 Morishima Haruka *8 -- 2,942 *2,942 *1 AKB0048 VOL.03 17 -- 1,459 *1,459 *1 Acchi Kocchi #4 19 *4 1,303 *8,338 *2 Hyouka #3 20 -- 1,220 *1,220 *1 Danshi Koukousei no Nichijou #6 21 18 1,132 10,072 *3 Kuroko no Basuke #2 24 -- *,993 **,993 *1 Moyashimon Returns #1 29 -- *,803 **,803 *1 Seirei no Moribito Blu-ray BOX 30 *9 *,787 50,942 *3 Nisemonogatari #5 - Tsukihi Phoenix 2 39 *5 *,604 *7,544 *2 Accel World #2 42 15 *,560 28,390 *3 Persona4 #10 45 *7 *,532 *5,716 *2 Senki Zesshou Symphogear #6 46 *3 *,524 *8,110 *2 Boku wa Tomotachi ga sukunai #6 50(*,485) Nisemonogatari is STRONG and Accel World is still doing quite well. The "real route" for the last volume of P4 and the "event ticket" effect for the last volume of Symphogear is clear: Both sell significantly more than their previous volume. Yesterday there was quite lengthy discussion in 2ch (by 2ch standard) about the sales prospect of Dog Days 2 versus Yuru Yuri 2. There are good arguments on both camps: Those for DD2 said the first season sold a lot more than predicted by Amazon stalker; while those for YY2 pointed out that it has gathered more points than DD2 at current point and for a second season there are far more YY fans who reserved their BD at actual shops in order to get the special item that is not available for sales online. It is hard to say who will run at the end. And on top of that we have the dark horse called "Jinrui wa suitaishimashita" who has moved up to the top 20 of BD ranking in Amazon JP after the announcement there will be a short story included with the BD (in which "Watashi-chan" seemed to have gone back to stone age). Tari Tari #1 and Nobuna #1 are still hovering at around 20th-odd and 70th-odd position in the BD ranking which should allow them to appear in next week Oricon top20 BD sales list as there are almost no new anime BD which may sell at least reasonably well next week. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| I like looking at anime stats..it's fun! I sound like a dork..tehe |
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nitchi said: I like looking at anime stats..it's fun! I sound like a dork..tehe I know how you feel. As soon as I found forum threads on Anime Sales stats... i've been having fun looking at the anime sales every week xD |
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| - Tari Tari sales can be seen as a success after all the crap it got for being a ripoff of Iroha, but for those who follow Stalker it is a huge disappointment. I'm shocked that it only did half of what Stalker was projecting, Stalker usually isn't THAT bad unless the show spends a considerable amount of time at #1. - Moyashimon Returns sales are terrible. Absolutely terrible. The first season did well, but that is just horrific. - Lol @ AKB's sales collapsing. - Nobuna sales are okay for Madhouse standards. - I think people are going to be disappointed if they're expecting Madoka level sales for SAO. I'd bet on 30k at least and 40k seems reasonable, but we will have to see from there. I'd love to see big sales numbers though |
| How much do you guys think Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita is gonna sell based on stalker? |
| What about Fate/Zero? It's releasing next week and I'm curious how it's stacking up to the first box set. |
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jmal said: jasque said: How much do you guys think Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita is gonna sell based on stalker? 4k? It's ranking really well right now, in the final days before going on release, but it was never doing spectacularly before that. Whether it beats Stalker expectations would have to be based on how it performs at non-Amazon retailers. Also worth noting the event ticket for Vol. 1, so Vol. 2+ could drop. Hum... the problem is the novel will end only next year. Vol 7 isn't even adapted in this anime. Wonder if it will ever have a conclusion someday. |
| Wow, Kuroko is still doing great. Over 20k average possible? And there I was, thinking only SAO and Horizon II could have more thank 10k. People. Buy. Tari Tari. I don't believe it. For sure it's not out of pity towards P.A. Works - Another sold much worse. So, why would they do it? The show certainly is watchable but... there are many better ones out there. TT is just full of stupid forced drama. Even Moretsu's success makes much more sense for me. Oh well. Poor Moyashimon, I lost the will to watch the first season... I know Nichibros bumped manga sales but it deserved 3k at the very least imo. AKB 4k... I thought it would sell a little bit better. Still pretty nice. Anyone knows what Japanese fans thought about it >in general<? |
| Why would people be surprised about Tari Tari selling well? Cute girl shows from PA Works nearly always sell. Only reason Another didn't is because horror stuff never sells regardless. It would be a bigger surprise if Tari Tari DIDN'T sell well, PA Works is gaining some pretty strong studio loyalty these days. |
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