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| You have given me hope. I will now love you forever. |
| Just like that... .___. ...I have been rereading older chapters with Elly, and I'm always stuck between loving him more and more and getting more depressed D= It just doesn't matter how you look at it, it feels so lost... |
AmayaRayka said: Qady said: I really miss Elliot ... what " I am sorry ... Leo " BAKA BAKA BAKA I will not forgive you to left me and gone by yourself..* Leo‘s spokeswoman* Just reminds me... Vince wants Leo to obtain the Will of the Abyss to change the past... couldn't Leo then change the past as well to get Elly back? At least that could be a motivation for him to play the Glan-part and at least a little hope left for me as much as I love and adore Elly .______. Would lead to the point, how much Oz as well might go with that goal... I mean, Elly comes of really, really, really dead... but Mochizuki-sensei is a huge troll... at least I'd like to see him in some more flashbacks from Leo, or appearing in some way connected to him again... But that might just be me still not adjusting to the thought, that Elly is gone... ;______; I've thought about it too ... If he can change the bast then he can Return Elliot from death and as you said Mochizuki-sense didnt give elly his right in the manga ... but something bother me , the way of elly death didnt look like he well Return .. Mochizuki-sense is really cruel in the begging showed us Elly as completely side character and finally when he get an important role finished him in one second... I dont Image PH without Elly ... I dont want see gill and oz smiling while Elly is dead ... ;_ ; |
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| I was wondering why Leo's eyes looked just like Alice's too!! Also I still don't like Vincent even if he has a sympathetic side. He has killed a lot of people just to get what he wants. He doesn't even know if that is what Gil wants... He is doing it for himself in the end even if it is out of love towards Gil. |
| Always Smile. Stay Classy. |
RedQueenifcation said: I was wondering why Leo's eyes looked just like Alice's too!! Also I still don't like Vincent even if he has a sympathetic side. He has killed a lot of people just to get what he wants. He doesn't even know if that is what Gil wants... He is doing it for himself in the end even if it is out of love towards Gil. Hmmm? Do you like Break though? Also, sorry people, but I don't think Elly's coming back. |
deadoptimist said: Though I think shit-flinging should also have standards - no personal, no behind the scenes. |
GracefulDownfall said: RedQueenifcation said: I was wondering why Leo's eyes looked just like Alice's too!! Also I still don't like Vincent even if he has a sympathetic side. He has killed a lot of people just to get what he wants. He doesn't even know if that is what Gil wants... He is doing it for himself in the end even if it is out of love towards Gil. Hmmm? Do you like Break though? Also, sorry people, but I don't think Elly's coming back. I guess the mood whiplash caused me to forget that Vincent IS THE BIGGEST TROLL IN PANDORA except the March Hare I was positive his statement was genuine, I guess because whenever he's lying, MochiJun makes it at least a little bit obvious. has anyone else though of: Elliot -> Lacie Leo-> Glen Oz -> Jack ??? Remember all that talk about Oz being a coward because he could never point a sword at a friend and then that flashback we saw of Jack fighting against Glen And the Leo telling Oz to kil him if he has to? They say history repeats itself, and the way things are going, I can't help but wonder. Not to mention MochiJun herself has hidden blink-and-you'll-miss it clues in her artwork for PH. |
AnimeFanDorkJun 1, 2011 11:26 PM
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Qady said: I dont Image PH without Elly ... I dont want see gill and oz smiling while Elly is dead ... ;_ ; yeah... .____. ...I mean, PH is a comedy series, although there were no jokes in recent chapters... I wonder if it will go back to this funny side at all in the nearer future, with Ellys death kind of overshadowing everything. Anyway, when the manga is going to end with 20 volumes, there's not so much time anymore anyway, and we should be pretty close to the final arc ._______. AnimeFanDork said: has anyone else though of: Elliot -> Lacie Leo-> Glen Oz -> Jack ??? Well I wouldn't say Elly is the reincarnation of Lacie, but he definitly takes her role in triggering Leos character development... like Glen going crazy for Lacie being sacrificed to the abyss. Reminds me, I reread an older chapter, where Leo gives the song Lacie to Elly as a gift (in return for Elly giving 'Statique' to him) - now that's huge forshadowing X_____x from the point of view one has now, this is already like a pretty clear statement to Ellys death... left me heart-broken just seeing this now >___< AnimeFanDork said: They say history repeats itself, and the way things are going, I can't help but wonder. Not to mention MochiJun herself has hidden blink-and-you'll-miss it clues in her artwork for PH. Even in the covers I guess. By now you can say that the gray shadowed objects behind the characters on these have a connection to the characters. Like Vince and the scissors, Glen and Lacies grave, Ada and that cage (for her hobbys). Now Break on volume cover 3 has the sign of an illegal contractor behind him ô.o |
AmayaRayka said: Anyway, when the manga is going to end with 20 volumes, there's not so much time anymore anyway, and we should be pretty close to the final arc ._______. Disregard that, I believe Jun has said that she will do at least 20 volumes but that she doesn't have a definite number on her mind. Besides, it's pretty much impossible to wrap up the story in the next 5 volumes unless everyone just starts dropping dead like crazy. Either way 20 volumes isn't really a fact so its best left ignored. AnimeFanDork said: has anyone else though of: Elliot -> Lacie Leo-> Glen Oz -> Jack I agree with AmayaRayka, Elliot isn't a direct reincarnation of Lacie in a sense that Oz and Leo are to Jack and Glen, but he essentially serves the same purpose Lacie did. AmayaRayka said: Now Break on volume cover 3 has the sign of an illegal contractor behind him ô.o Break used to be an illegal contractor so that explains it, but nonetheless good catch, I haven't payed that much attention to that picture. |
AmayaRayka said: PH is a comedy series I've never seen PH as a comedy series. I've seen it as a pretty dark mystery/adventure series with comic relief. I hope it stays dark, creepy, heart-wrenching, and bloody... and Elliot better stay dead. |
Neiru2012 said: I've never seen PH as a comedy series. I've seen it as a pretty dark mystery/adventure series with comic relief. I hope it stays dark, creepy, heart-wrenching, and bloody... and Elliot better stay dead. This. |
deadoptimist said: Though I think shit-flinging should also have standards - no personal, no behind the scenes. |
Tixy said: Disregard that, I believe Jun has said that she will do at least 20 volumes but that she doesn't have a definite number on her mind. Besides, it's pretty much impossible to wrap up the story in the next 5 volumes unless everyone just starts dropping dead like crazy. Either way 20 volumes isn't really a fact so its best left ignored. I thought there was an interview where she said it'd be around 20 volumes, but I might remember it wrong or it might be from a very long time ago and thus not fitting anymore. Still the actual development makes me feel like it's getting a lot more tense, the last arc answered a lot of questions, while those before made more new questions appear than they answered... Neiru2012 said: I've never seen PH as a comedy series. I've seen it as a pretty dark mystery/adventure series with comic relief. I hope it stays dark, creepy, heart-wrenching, and bloody... and Elliot better stay dead. Well, you don't have to, other point of view or your mileage might vary.... Doesn't change that it's 'officialy' rated as a comedy series and that there are a lot of scenes that are definitly meant to be funny. How everyone got drunk, Witch!Ada & Vince's reaction, a lot of scenes with Break... it's not as if comedy was such a limited word to use which means exactly one kind of humor. Of corse it's dark, msyterious, creepy... but these don't speak against the comedy aspect. What I meant is that those scenes, you may call it comic relief, would come off completly wrong, at least for me, by now that Elliot just died. And I wouldn't know why he should 'better stay dead'. That would depend on how it would be pulled off. Everyone has a personal view if he/she wants a character back, but basically we'll have to see... |
| Where is it "officially" rated as a comedy series? That's like saying something like Dorohedoro is a comedy series. Dorohedoro is very funny, indeed has more humor than PH does, and is even tagged for "comedy" on MAL, but this doesn't change that Doro is a creepy hyperviolent mindfuck. Pandora Hearts also has a large comic relief element to it, but it's primarily fantasy/adventure/mystery with characters and relationships that are extremely painful and sad. On the other hand, I would consider series like Ranma 1/2 or Azumanga Daioh to be "comedy," because that is their predominant element. (And Elliot better stay dead because him coming back would cheapen his heartfelt and honorable death, as well as derail plot progression with Leo.) |
Tixy said: AmayaRayka said: Anyway, when the manga is going to end with 20 volumes, there's not so much time anymore anyway, and we should be pretty close to the final arc ._______. Disregard that, I believe Jun has said that she will do at least 20 volumes but that she doesn't have a definite number on her mind. Besides, it's pretty much impossible to wrap up the story in the next 5 volumes unless everyone just starts dropping dead like crazy. Either way 20 volumes isn't really a fact so its best left ignored. AnimeFanDork said: has anyone else though of: Elliot -> Lacie Leo-> Glen Oz -> Jack I agree with AmayaRayka, Elliot isn't a direct reincarnation of Lacie in a sense that Oz and Leo are to Jack and Glen, but he essentially serves the same purpose Lacie did. AmayaRayka said: Now Break on volume cover 3 has the sign of an illegal contractor behind him ô.o Break used to be an illegal contractor so that explains it, but nonetheless good catch, I haven't payed that much attention to that picture. Hmm. I wonder how long MochiJun is planning to make PH. I hope it's more than 20 volumes though. 5 volumes does seem like a lot though. In just 20 chapters the mood whipped around. So, who knows how much can happen if it lasts 20. Nah, I didn't mean Elliot being a reincarnation. Just serving the same purpose. Lololol ElliLeo are so canon what are you talking about Something for my theory The most likely to have something to do with Lacie is Alice, and I'm not really sure about her anyway XD I always thought that Alice might be her daughter or something, but that seems very unlikely considering Glen's and Lacie's possible age. Whoa. Nice catch. I hadn't noticed that. |
AnimeFanDorkJun 2, 2011 5:43 PM
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AmayaRayka said: I thought there was an interview where she said it'd be around 20 volumes, but I might remember it wrong or it might be from a very long time ago and thus not fitting anymore. Was it the interview that she did in France? That's the only one I know of and she didn't mention anything about PH being roughly around 20 volumes there. AmayaRayka said: And I wouldn't know why he should 'better stay dead'. That would depend on how it would be pulled off. Everyone has a personal view if he/she wants a character back, but basically we'll have to see... I have to agree with this, it's all about the way it's done. It can be done in such way that it doesn't appear like some sort of deus ex machina and leaves the reader perfectly satisfied. In the end, it's all about how Jun sees it, if she thinks he should stay dead so be it. |
| About the whole 'comedy' thing: Genres: Adventure, Fantasy, Shounen, Supernatural ^That's what MAL says about it. As for Elliot - I'm pretty sure there wasn't a single person who really wanted him to die, but him coming back would just be lame. I mean, his death was a major turning point. |
deadoptimist said: Though I think shit-flinging should also have standards - no personal, no behind the scenes. |
Tixy said: Was it the interview that she did in France? That's the only one I know of and she didn't mention anything about PH being roughly around 20 volumes there. I think so, that it was a french interview... well I don't speak that much french and I relied on what another user from a different forum said about it - I don't remember the other parts that were said there, but I'm pretty sure what Mochizuki-sensei said was translated as 'about 20 volumes'. But I really won't complain if this is wrong, definitly not!^^ Tixy said: I have to agree with this, it's all about the way it's done. It can be done in such way that it doesn't appear like some sort of deus ex machina and leaves the reader perfectly satisfied. In the end, it's all about how Jun sees it, if she thinks he should stay dead so be it. Exactly that~ About this comedy-thing - I really didn't mean to make a discussion about it. What MAL says is pretty much...erm...not an argument. Kuroshitsuji is a shonen here, it doesn't even try to be one is what I'd say. (Take one look at Sebastian ô.o) As a contrast, sides like mangareader have it tagged under comedy. Of corse the main genres PH falls under are mystery/fantasy/adventure and I won't try to talk against that. And again, I don't care if anyone wants to call it comedy or not - I don't give anything about this genres anyway, there are a hell of a lot of series that are hard to be labled with them as well. I just wrote 'is a comedy series' to relate to the funny scenes that often appear. That said, there are a lot of other sides were PH is tagged as comedy (even if as a sub-genre), especially the anime. And I thought SE do have a favor for calling their series comedy (as well as shonen, whatever the reason...) |
| I never really liked Vincent before but i swear this chapter added him on the madly awesome list *o* !!! |
GracefulDownfall said: Okay, seriously people. Am I really the only one who thought it was obvious from the very beginning that Vincent won't really be a bad guy in the end? Please don't do this to me... :/ calmarsi said: I might be the only one who still dislikes Vincent xD Honestly, I respect that. I mean, most of the people didn't bother to actually think about his character, they just hated him, but now everyone likes him all of a sudden. I'm sorry, but that's what kind of annoys me about some PH fans. They don't even try to think about the plot beyond what's made obvious to them. :/ Even though I know why Vincent do so (having good side), but I still don't like him. |
I ♥ Two Syaorans from Tsubasa RESERVoir CHRoNiCLE and TRC!!! |
| Vincent is such an awesome character! I hated him at first, but really these recent chapters is just making him more and more likeable. More than just the sadistic bastard I had made him out to be... |
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| Finally the whole headhunter thing is now clear to me, so Vincent is the original one o.O Demios looks awesome and scary. So Vincent actually cared for Elliot ;A; He's still pretty dumb though, Gil wouldn't want him to die. Poor Leo...he looks really pretty though. |
nerfxSep 2, 2016 10:38 AM
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| Despite killing so many people Vincent really has a soft side for his siblings He and Gil loved Elliot like a real brother |
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| See what I'm talking about in last chapter? If Vincent could stop making me from hating him to loving him in every other chapter, that would be great. I mean seriously dude, stop playing with my feelings! At first I thought he genuinely don't care about Eliot, but he actually does and delivered his final words to Leo. And then we learned that his plan all along is simply to make Gil happy by erasing his very own existence. Damn this is gonna be sad. But I just realized that if Vincent is gone... then pretty much everyone will be revived right? So will we see Eliot in the last arc or something? |
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| i feel bad for always thought that Vincent a bad guy.. |
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| Loved the chapter. Never thought I would actually really like Vincent since I disliked him from the beginning. But I was so glad to see that he genuinely cared about Elliot and killed that Duke Nightray like that, he deserved to die. And he is the actual headhunter. I started crying again during his moments with Elliot and when he told Leo his last words. Holy shit! What he really wants is to eliminate his existence from Gil's past. Is he really that stupid? Gil wouldn't want that. And Leo's eyes are beautiful. He kinda looked like Alice there. |
  I want to know what it is, this 'sin' they say I've committed. |
| So Vincent actually cares for Eliot:( Reading his monologues made me actually kind of like him. |
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