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Oct 17, 2010 12:39 AM
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Moimy said:
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No. I don't have the need for blind faith in anything.


What if you made it not blind?
Then it'd be a fact.

When God becomes a fact I'll know he exists.
But then we wont call that faith, will we now?
Oct 17, 2010 12:41 AM

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Meri said:
Moimy said:
Meri said:
No. I don't have the need for blind faith in anything.


What if you made it not blind?
Then it'd be a fact.

When God becomes a fact I'll know he exists.
But then we wont call that faith, will we now?


He exists in very child and adorable bunny rabbit. He exists in fields of flowers and glorious sunshine.
Oct 17, 2010 12:50 AM
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Dandere-chan said:

Kami-sama!!!

That said, i believe in this god:
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Oct 17, 2010 12:51 AM
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Moimy said:
Meri said:
Moimy said:
Meri said:
No. I don't have the need for blind faith in anything.


What if you made it not blind?
Then it'd be a fact.

When God becomes a fact I'll know he exists.
But then we wont call that faith, will we now?


He exists in very child and adorable bunny rabbit. He exists in fields of flowers and glorious sunshine.
If you say so princess.
Oct 17, 2010 12:53 AM

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Meri said:
Moimy said:
Meri said:
Moimy said:
Meri said:
No. I don't have the need for blind faith in anything.


What if you made it not blind?
Then it'd be a fact.

When God becomes a fact I'll know he exists.
But then we wont call that faith, will we now?


He exists in very child and adorable bunny rabbit. He exists in fields of flowers and glorious sunshine.
If you say so princess.


I'm a boy.
Oct 17, 2010 12:58 AM
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Moimy said:
Meri said:
Moimy said:
Meri said:
Moimy said:
Meri said:
No. I don't have the need for blind faith in anything.


What if you made it not blind?
Then it'd be a fact.

When God becomes a fact I'll know he exists.
But then we wont call that faith, will we now?


He exists in very child and adorable bunny rabbit. He exists in fields of flowers and glorious sunshine.
If you say so princess.


I'm a boy.
Yeah I know. I'm cruel.
Oct 17, 2010 1:25 AM

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Meri said:
Moimy said:
Meri said:
Moimy said:
Meri said:
Moimy said:
Meri said:
No. I don't have the need for blind faith in anything.


What if you made it not blind?
Then it'd be a fact.

When God becomes a fact I'll know he exists.
But then we wont call that faith, will we now?


He exists in very child and adorable bunny rabbit. He exists in fields of flowers and glorious sunshine.
If you say so princess.


I'm a boy.
Yeah I know. I'm cruel.


That doesn't explain why you called me a princess.
Oct 17, 2010 2:50 AM

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Yes.
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Moimy said:
Meri said:
Moimy said:
Meri said:
Moimy said:
Meri said:
Moimy said:
Meri said:
No. I don't have the need for blind faith in anything.


What if you made it not blind?
Then it'd be a fact.

When God becomes a fact I'll know he exists.
But then we wont call that faith, will we now?


He exists in very child and adorable bunny rabbit. He exists in fields of flowers and glorious sunshine.
If you say so princess.


I'm a boy.
Yeah I know. I'm cruel.


That doesn't explain why you called me a princess.


Because you're a pretender.
Oct 17, 2010 3:06 AM

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yes I believe.

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Oct 17, 2010 3:55 AM

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I believe god uses its (god is all genders at the same time) unlimited powers to make it impossible for humans to find prove it actually exists.

In other words, even if god did exist, it's no different from it not existing so the question is irrelevant.
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Oct 17, 2010 5:08 AM

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I believe in K_N and everyone who does too should go to http://trz.trulynothing.com/
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FOE-tan said:
I believe god uses its (god is all genders at the same time) unlimited powers to make it impossible for humans to find prove it actually exists.

In other words, even if god did exist, it's no different from it not existing so the question is irrelevant.
The Goddette does not purposefully hide her nature. She is simply so absolutely objective that our mortal, subjective existences cannot comprehend her without using metaphors to qualify her. For example, whether she is gendered/ungendered/multigendered/omnigendered, existent/nonexistent, or anthropic or not are only questions that serve to obscure the answer. In order for humanity to truly bring he within it's ken and achieve collective apotheosis, we must cast aside all subjective and pseudo-objective notions of existence.
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FOE-tan said:
I believe god uses its (god is all genders at the same time) unlimited powers to make it impossible for humans to find prove it actually exists.

In other words, even if god did exist, it's no different from it not existing so the question is irrelevant.

So you say it's not important if the God does exist.
Then why do people fight for God?

God is losing 4² to 5².
Oct 17, 2010 5:27 AM

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"I'm someone else. (your vote)"
Taoism doesn't have a god.
もののあはれ。。。
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DrewTheDude said:
Moimy said:
Meri said:
Moimy said:
Meri said:
Moimy said:
Meri said:
Moimy said:
Meri said:
No. I don't have the need for blind faith in anything.


What if you made it not blind?
Then it'd be a fact.

When God becomes a fact I'll know he exists.
But then we wont call that faith, will we now?


He exists in very child and adorable bunny rabbit. He exists in fields of flowers and glorious sunshine.
If you say so princess.


I'm a boy.
Yeah I know. I'm cruel.


That doesn't explain why you called me a princess.


Because you're a pretender.
Only a princess would talk like that.
*kisses hands*
Oct 17, 2010 6:41 AM

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In so much as I'm sure fairies, unicorns, leprechauns, Pegasuses, dragons, and all those untold numbers of gods that one must reject while clinging to their own psychotic mythology involving a God don't exist, I can say I'm sure that this fable is also false.

Gods don't exist, and any half-way rational person should be able to see that, in so much that you can claim any of the other things I mentioned don't exist. There is not a shred of evidence despite centuries of testing and observation, the claims made in most religious doctrine contain outright contradictory elements, and the best 'evidence' available are books, littered with obviously fictional elements, some people wrote.

The only thing that would convince me of a god or spirit's existence would be some actual, reproducible (Or extremely well documented, in the case of some divine prediction about the future, and would have to give specific time-frames and not be something humans could have any affect on) evidence. For instance, were the whole world color blind and I were not, I could set up an experiment to prove the existence of color even though others cannot perceive it- I set 10 boxes up of different colors that all others perceive as exactly the same (And set the experiment up to where cheating would be impossible, do it in many different locations with different staffs from independent research groups, etc), and place an object in one of the boxes and note the color, then have someone rearrange the boxes and I choose the proper colored box which contains the object, repeating the experiment as many times as necessary. Replace color perception with some type of spiritual one, and we'd have the same results- if someone actually spoke to god, he'd easily be able to tell him which box to pick and pick it consistently, yet no experiment has shown this to be the case.

The reason for this, in any rational person's mind, is because the claim the participant made about speaking to this god was bull-shit. There are similar experiments for a wide variety of claims about gods, such as answering prayers and the like- not a single person has been able to meet anything remotely convincing that their claims of divine abilities are true. Please, realize people- gods are, more or less, imaginary friends. They are not real.
Oct 17, 2010 7:07 AM
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Blayze said:
Blayze, there is one thing you're forgetting.
It can't be proven, that God exists, but can it be proven otherwise? You can't say sure that there is no God until you prove it. Lack of evidence is not the proof.

It sure looks like the Sun is going around Earth, and not other way round, yes? But it's not.

Same here, with the facts I possess, it seems to me that there is no God. Someone may have experienced it otherwise, and could say, that there is God, in fact that would be plenty of people.

I'm atheist, but I have nothing against Gods, religions and whatever. There are also some parts I actually like in them. But in my opinion, too many people are relying on their religion, and therefore do nothing with their lives.
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No because if i did believe in god then i wouldn't be allowed to listen to Slayer.
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Danim3 said:
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Blayze, there is one thing you're forgetting.
It can't be proven, that God exists, but can it be proven otherwise? You can't say sure that there is no God until you prove it. Lack of evidence is not the proof.

It sure looks like the Sun is going around Earth, and not other way round, yes? But it's not.

Same here, with the facts I possess, it seems to me that there is no God. Someone may have experienced it otherwise, and could say, that there is God, in fact that would be plenty of people.

I'm atheist, but I have nothing against Gods, religions and whatever. There are also some parts I actually like in them. But in my opinion, too many people are relying on their religion, and therefore do nothing with their lives.


A lack of evidence certainly doesn't prove something doesn't exist, and I never claimed it did. I simply stated, without any evidence, all ridiculous claims about supernatural beings are on the same level as fairies, Santa Claus, etc. You can't prove they don't exist either, but anyone rational won't claim they exist until evidence for them is present. Maybe there's some leprechaun hiding in a cave no one's explored, just waiting to be found, but until we find it, any claims about it are just baseless speculations.

Religions go far beyond just saying there's the potential that gods exist in some fashion, they claim to have knowledge about them, to know what they do, the reasons for their actions, that they make universes, that they'll judge you in some afterlife, that they interact with humans and set rules for them to follow, and ways in which an individual can interact with them (Such as prayer)- if even a few of their claims were true in virtually any religion, there would surely be an abundance of empirical evidence that would be available, yet despite this, there is none. Some may argue that the god just 'works in mysterious ways', or some other evasive answer to avoid facing reality, but if the god acts exactly like he doesn't exist, then to me it's infinitely more likely he doesn't exist at all than that it's hiding and waiting for you to die to throw you into a pit of flame for all eternity for not worshiping him (Or whatever it is they claim it's doing).

A theory that is based on prior observations is going to be much more accurate than one based on potential future occurrences, so I for one am waiting until there is some evidence that [insert supernatural being] even exists before I go about claiming details about it. If someone can talk to god, see spirits, etc. then doing experiments to prove they can do so should be no problem at all, but there's yet to be even a single individual who can do so, and therefore, I must conclude it's fake, just as I do with Santa Claus and other mythologies.
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Blayze said:
A lack of evidence certainly doesn't prove something doesn't exist, and I never claimed it did...

... but there's yet to be even a single individual who can do so, and therefore, I must conclude it's fake...
There you go, you conclude it from the lack of evidence ;)

But never mind, I agree with you. One of the main reasons to believe in God is to avoid responsibility, a way to escape the past, perhaps, or the current problems.

In fact, religious people are more likely to be happy. Religion can sometimes save people, believing in something makes people strong. There will always be a happy ending.

Still, it can also make some of them too careless with their lives on Earth. If there is that happy ending anyway, why should we care about our health and about hundreds and thousands of other things?

The saddest thing is though, the religious people are being used. All the time. Money to pay to the God, the church or whatever, I don't know, and those damn radicalists and terrorists who say there's only one way to salvation, the path you're walking is wrong and unfair, we won't let you use it, etc..
Oct 17, 2010 9:21 AM
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DrewTheDude said:
I believe that I am god.
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nubmonk said:
No because if i did believe in god then i wouldn't be allowed to listen to Slayer.

Your forgetting one thing. God listens to Slayer.
Now, count up your sins!
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I believe that I am god.
But do you believe in yourself?
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When I said prove I meant it in the sense that it'd be virtually irrefutable using logic and reason, it's certainly acceptable to draw one's own conclusions of what is most likely based upon the evidence present or lacking, even if it's not an absolute certainty. Even if there are no witnesses or evidence pointing to a suspect, if you have a body with multiple gunshot wounds to the torso and no gun powder on the hands, you can safely draw the conclusion that it wasn't a suicide, given that it'd be (virtually) impossible for him to have done it himself. This would be a similar application of the logic involved in that assessment- because of the impossibility of shooting yourself multiple times, because there's no gunpowder on his hands, because of the lack of something, you can rule out certain possibilities. Because there is no evidence despite that there should be (Such as with the gunpowder), you can rule out the possibility of a god anything close to what religions describe.

But yeah, I agree with you on the other points you raised, though I'm not sure if they're really happy. I know I for one wouldn't be happy believing in delusions, but there are plenty who seem fine with it, so whatever.
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Blayze said:
...you can rule out the possibility of a god anything close to what religions describe.
I couldn't agree more on my part.
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I know I for one wouldn't be happy believing in delusions, but there are plenty who seem fine with it, so whatever.
It's the only way if you can't seem to get along with reality.

Suppose you've got cancer and just another 6 months to live. Suppose you accidentally killed your best friend. Suppose all your family died in a car accident, because you went on driving drunk.

Many people get religious after something otherwise unbearable happens to them or when they get old and near to their deaths. This way you know your soul and the souls of the dead people will be spared, they will be reborn in a new live or whatever. This way you can live with yourself. Sounds better than tons of suicides and hysterical people.
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I suppose I should add, the original statement, 'A lack of evidence doesn't prove something doesn't exist' was more broad in context, as in there are things that can occur that don't leave any observable evidence behind. There are times when a lack of something leads to a conclusion. ((Simple example: The answer is either 0 or 1. The answer is not 0. Therefore, the answer is 1.))
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Sorry, the previous comment was an add on to my last one :s I make the best of what I have though, if I learned I only had some short amount of time remaining I'd enjoy myself for the time I have left, if I killed my friend or family, sure it'd suck, but I wouldn't kill myself because of it, that certainly wouldn't help, lol. Still, you're right, some people are helped by their belief in a god, though I hate the ones who claim that since their book claims murdering innocent person X is good it must be so (Homosexuals, people who work on the sabbath, etc.), and that's where my disdain for religion comes from mainly.
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Blayze said:
There are times when a lack of something leads to a conclusion. ((Simple example: The answer is either 0 or 1. The answer is not 0. Therefore, the answer is 1.))
That's not quite the case. In this case it should be: "The answer is either 0 or 1. The answer has yet never been 0. That makes us assume the answer is 1." Though the answer has yet never been 1 as well, if you know what I mean :)
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Has this changed from just a question to an argument?
"My happiness comes from the kindness of those around me"
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hfinity said:
Has this changed from just a question to an argument?
That tends to happen often :)
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This thread have GD wrote all over it and smell like GD, get this shit outta spam.
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I believe that there's a God,because my family taught me that exist a god. I do not care who else thinks, I still believe in God.

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Dandere-chan said:
This thread have GD wrote all over it and smell like GD, get this shit outta spam.
You're wrong, discussions arising in GD are far less intelligent. There is freedom for the mind in Spam.

See for yourself, no one questions God in GD: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=135554&show=0#post3
Search --> General Discussion --> God --> http://myanimelist.net/forum/?action=search&q=god&u=&uloc=1&loc=6
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Danim3 said:
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I believe god uses its (god is all genders at the same time) unlimited powers to make it impossible for humans to find prove it actually exists.

In other words, even if god did exist, it's no different from it not existing so the question is irrelevant.

So you say it's not important if the God does exist.
Then why do people fight for God?.
God gives hope to many people, which is probably the same reason why love songs sung by generic boy bands are so popular.

However, those people don't think about whether god is benevolent being who loves the good and hates evil as the books they read say, or whether he has a more "human" personality and treats humans the same way humans would treat characters in "The Sims".

World peace is nice, but it would be rather boring to someone who observes us purely for enjoyment and has no other reason to watch us apart form personal enjoyment (assuming it is all-powerful and not answerable to anyone higher). Let's not forget that it god is immortal and watching the same thing for millions of years isn't exactly fun, is it?
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FOE-tan said:
Let's not forget that it god is immortal and watching the same thing for millions of years isn't exactly fun, is it?
The Goddette has magic god-powers. She can change the channel whenever She damn well wants and She doesn't have to change the channel of every single TV in the universe to do it, metaphorically speaking. She only lets us suffer because She Knows that we'll never Learn by just sitting on our asses being happy all the time.
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I'm Agnostic...I don't give a shit....

....

Well until I die that is (unless there is some kind of afterlife). Kind hard to know when your DEAD!
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I believe in the flying spaghetti monster


rAmen.
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... She only lets us suffer because She Knows that we'll never Learn by just sitting on our asses being happy all the time.
If The Goddess you're talking about is so almighty, couldn't She just make us learn in an instant. That means we are just toys to bring satisfaction to Her?

Yeah, beware, lack of trolling on Spam could lead to the third World War. That's what God could bring upon us for his own amusement, when Spam in no fun to read any more.
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Mizore_lollipop said:
I believe that there's a God,because my family taught me that exist a god. I do not care who else thinks, I still believe in God.


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There could be a god, if I had to choose I would say I don't believe in god though.
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I believe in a higher power.
Whether anyone else chooses to or not, does not phase me. I'm not going to argue about why I believe what I do either, it's not going to change anyones mind.
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Danim3 said:
If The Goddess you're talking about is so almighty, couldn't She just make us learn in an instant. That means we are just toys to bring satisfaction to Her?
It only seems that way because the Goddette hates you so much.
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There could be a god, if I had to choose I would say I don't believe in god though.


That's called being agnostic sweety. Welcome to the club :)
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DrHouse said:
Danim3 said:
If The Goddess you're talking about is so almighty, couldn't She just make us learn in an instant. That means we are just toys to bring satisfaction to Her?
It only seems that way because the Goddette hates you so much.
Oh, I see. It makes perfect sense to me now.
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I'm on the fence...for now let us say yes

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