| @23feanor Oops, yep, too many pages open. Easy fix. And yeah, worth watching Maquia. I'd been hearing great things and it does measure up. Episode 17 Looks like Lupin's struggling with an AI identification system this episode called Wangtic. This isn't the first season that has included a supposedly Lupin-proof technology (I'm thinking of the "Smart Safe" from Part V), but they are focusing more on links to modern technology this time. Lupin gets challenged to prove himself against the technology at their headquarters. Lot of sensors, locks and cameras to get around, but he plans to take out the electricity, drawing on his usual resources to take out the 4 sites that supply it simultaneously. Their timing has to be perfect, all very reminiscent of the Oceans series, and even extensive practice proves fruitless (and annoying due to a passing Wangtic truck that comes by on the regular). Lupin, however, doesn't seem bothered by the repeated failures or even his team walking out on him, willing to face the challenge alone if he has to. Of course, they all return anyway. Zenigata steps in to try and stop this little contest. He knows Lupin well enough to recognize that no system is beyond his reach, but the CEO is pretty well versed in him as well... more like obsessive over him, actually. Girl has a photoshopped poster of him giving her the ring at their marriage. These girls all want a piece of him, don't they? The night of the heist arrives and people cosplaying Lupin and his team show up outside. Some impressive cosplay out there. He has everyone flood the building in an effort to steal the coin (don't really believe that they would all just go ahead and try to take the coin themselves, but hey, human greed), and despite the system's ability to sniff them out, the human security cannot keep up. That's not helped by a set of smoke bombs, but their efforts to coordinate are jammed. Thankfully, a Wangtic truck passes by at this exact time and, because they'd been listening to it during their practices for so long, they sync up to the song it plays on repeat. Nice way for that to end up coordinating their timing. Lupin ends up flirting with the CEO for a bit, telling her she looks better without the glasses (hard disagree). |
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23feanor said: I went back and checked ydays ep and in the dub Lupin says 'if my real flesh and blood mother is out there, it would be pretty great to actually see her one day', insinuating that he's never met her, or has never seen her, that he can recall at least (ie she might've given him up as a baby or young toddler and he can't remember ever seeing her). Lupin's ethnic origins have been occasionally specified as half-Japanese and half-French. Which is why I wondered about Lupin's and Tomoe's full relationship besides teacher and student. Grandpa was a wily old bas***d, after all. |
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| @OrlahEhontas ah, so maybe Tomoe was his real mother. You could understand her maybe wanting to meet Lupin, and teach him, but not being willing to reveal her true identity as his biological mother for fear of upsetting the applecart. Don't think I've ever heard mention of Lupin's father, but sounds like he's mentioned in S1 and S2. Episode 17. ah that Lupin proof safe, that was a wacky ep, the huge safe felt like it was lifted from the pages of a Dr Seuss book. So Miss Wang is a huge fan girl of Lupin's, and hopes to meet him through this challenge. Lupin has a penchant for attracting the kooky ones. A Lupin cosplay steal the treasure challenge, good idea. The system might identify the real people, but conveying that info accurately in real time to the team on the ground and arresting them are two different matters. You'd need to equip the ground team with tablets so they can see which ones are the real team Lupin, and even then getting ahold of them wouldn't be easy amid so many duplicates. The Wangtic jingle provides the tempo for the gang to carry out the timed hit on the electrics and Lupin gets the coin. Agree, she looked better in the glasses. |
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| I'll have to add The Eccentric Family to my ptw, looks like a worthwhile watch with a well-rated second season as well. Thanks for the rec @23feanor. Episode 18 Lupin's back at the flower shop - looks like we haven't left Mattea the florist behind, but she's planning on going on a trip and Lupin's put out about it. Lupin is getting involved in some politics out of Cotornica, as he becomes fixated on a Congresswoman Hazel there, who herself is fixated on a mystery tutor Tomoe (seems familiar...) that she cannot find. And yeah, Mattea's here too because why not? The political element here is mainly focused on rare earth metals, which seems particularly relevant given current issues. Lupin confronts Hazel directly and they talk Tomoe, who does appear the same as Lupin's mother, who views all of her students as her children. Hazel doesn't recognize the gem he carries. Just as he's set to leave, a convenient flash drive flies in through the glass and bashes Lupin the forehead. For a dude who dodges bullets, he's easily hit with this. This contains an apparent deep fake of Hazel standing behind terrorists who kill a man in cold blood, which comes courtesy of a paparazzi that's been following Hazel around also has shots of Hazel with Lupin, as well as a political rival using their efforts to undermine Hazel. So, Zenigata gets involved, and Mattea seems a bit jealous of Lupin's meeting with Hazel. Lupin tracks down and beats up the political rival, Despite the relative shortness of it, Hazel and Lupin's brief alliance ends with him being asked to take off. Unfortunately, her life doesn't last much longer than that, with Hazel shot and bleeding out in her apartment. Zenigata finds her first, and is framed for the murder. Spicy. |
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| Eccentric Family was good. One of those shows that I heard someone mention years ago and decided to give it a try, glad I did. I've been rather picky lately. I started my 90's pick, Bubblegum Crisis Tokyo 2040 and just wasn't feeling it, it was disjointed and the OST was distractingly clunky, so dropped it. Then thought I'd catch up on To Your Eternity S2, and it's one of those shows that has a genuinely fascinating premise, an immortal being gets sent to earth to learn about humans, and fight off other space alien blobs to keep things interesting (am sure these were introduced by the guy in black to keep Fushi on his toes and act as a catalyst for his growth). But again, just wasn't feeling it. S1 did hit hard in some moments, like the story about March. I just don't have time to keep plodding through if a show hasn't garnered my attention or investment by ep 6 or 7. Chose Eccentric Family and it was worth my time, memorable characters. Good to get your thoughts on Psycho-pass, another show with a unique premise. Will try to get around to it sooner than later. Episode 18. Mattea, that's a nice name, and one I've never heard before. Couldn't remember which country they're supposed to be in (a perennial issue with Lupin series, 'where in the world are we again??'), think the flower shop girl ep was in New York, so they must've started there. No idea where Cotornica is supposed to be, Corsica, Sardinia, Sicily or Puerto Rico maybe? Mafia are mentioned so guess it's one of the first 3. Ummm, tasty kebab, haven't had one in a while. Zenigata's aide, the man, is called Yatagarisu, which is the name of an anime. Just discovered it's also the name of a 3 legged crow, winged messenger of the gods. We get a skateboard scene mid ep, just because, with Lupin carrying Mattea hime style. The OST is one thing that never gets old. Love all the little background jazz bops, like the one playing when Lupin and Mattea run into the detectives in the kebab place. It's a wonderful little jaunty tune on brass instruments, gets you bopping along. Today I learnt that kebap is another spelling of kebab, I thought the show had messed or mistranslated, but nope, I was ignorant and kebap is widely used. Lupin learns that Tomoe said she had a child, and wasn't referring to one of her students by the sound of it. Tomoe connected the child to a box she had, maybe containing the jewel Lupin now has in his possession? Could Tomoe be Lupin's birth mother perhaps, as @OrlahEhontas hinted at? We end with Hazel dead and Pops framed for her murder! He's innocent I tell ya! |
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| Oh man, I had words about To Your Eternity S2. I do not blame you at all for dropping that shit, its pacing is a mess and it's just dragged out way too long. I'm watching S3 and hoping for the best (so far... yeah, you're not missing anything), but S2 was a slog. I think you'd enjoy Psycho-Pass. I think I was a bit hard on it, but despite being bothered by some of the later episodes, I do think it's a worthy watch. I'm nearing the end of Aria, got just a few more episodes in the Origination and then a few specials and a couple of hour-long movies to get through. I'll have to write up a full review of the series, don't feel like posting reviews of each individual seasons really do it justice. It's definitely in the conversation for best slice of life, and probably the purest example I've watched through in that regard. Episode 19 The police seem ready to railroad Zenigata. Yatagarisu and his female compatriot Arianna are investigating, but the police have already removed all evidence from the scene. They get shaken down by a couple of criminals with knives and prove their mettle in a fight. We learn that Arianna, like the late Hazel, was instructed by Tomoe as well. Damn, lot of that going around, kind of shocking that Tomoe's managed to stay under Lupin's radar given how often she's reappearing in events over the years. A culprit in Hazel's murder gets caught and reported to police, but this is just the guy who deep faked Hazel into all those photos. Y&A are able to get Zenigata released with some photographic evidence (I guess? It's unclear), nice to see these two step up. Seems they're falling for each other, too, giving us a pretty cute moment with their hands touching. Arianna meets up with Mattea, the latter of whom is pretty clearly not who she says she is. Seems everyone's putting together the pieces about Tomoe, who seems to have a pattern of picking people who she guides toward Lupin. Arianna and "Mattea"s conversation gets tense and the latter incapacitates the former. Arianna walks away with a bloody recorder that she tells Zenigata to give to Lupin. Seems Lupin may be somewhat suspicious of this "Mattea" as well. What are the odds this is Tomoe herself? |
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| To Your Eternity S2 wasn't bad per se, but by ep 6 I wasn't invested and didn't feel like watching more to see if it got better. What I love about the Aria franchise, is that each ep feels episodic, a little journey or task, some banter, and over the course of 3 seasons they start as apprentices, learn their trade, have some fun along the way, then graduate to become fully fledged singles. And then take on their own apprentices. I still haven't picked up the final 2 movies as they were never dubbed. Will get around to them one day. It's peak SoL but with an arc, that's not really a story, just following these 3 girls over the course of them becoming undines. Episode 19. I did wonder yday about Mattea's identity, purely because we've seen more of her than usual for a side character who only appears in a one ep mini arc. Arianne was mentored by someone called Tomoe too, but surprising as Tomoe was a master thief, but Tomoe trained Hazel up to be a competent politician. Zenigata is cleared and we get a touching moment of actual romance between Arianne and Yata touching fingertips, something you don't often get in Lupin. Then Arianne looks at the pics once more and notices what looks like Mattea's wristband, the one Lupin got her. Was it Mattea who killed Hazel, and that was the reason she was in the city. I love baklava, they tend to sell it in kebab shops, sticky sweet and so moreish. Tomoe must be even better than Lupin at her disguise if she's been meeting up with her former students and none of them twigged. But is Mattea really Tomoe. It does sound like Tomoe has been directing her former students towards Lupin for one reason or another, calling him 'a guiding angel' at one point. If Mattea is Tomoe, would she have attacked Arianne, a former pupil, the way she did? If she's not Tomoe, then who is she, someone connected to Tomoe maybe? |
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| Agreed on both To Your Eternity S2 and Aria. There's a real sense of progression along with that episodic feel, not easy to pull off that balancing act. Got a little ways to go, but I should be finishing the Origination today. Episode 20 Not sure if this is really Mattea (or whatever he name actually is) and she's just been punking everyone this whole time, or if someone took her place at some point and she's just been out of the picture. Hard to say at this point. Might not be Tomoe herself, but another of her pupils. Lupin's typing with his toes! Crazy stuff. Amelia appears, a thief who used to work with Fujiko. Not often we get to see Fujiko being friendly with other women, so this is interesting. Game respects game. Together, they once broke into a vault and try to steal some valuable information, but got caught. Dude tries to literally brand Fujiko, but ends up getting the hot end of the poker to the face himself (takes out one of his eyes, brutal). Their goal this time is to infiltrate a cult. Something feels off about Amelia, though, since she's apparently less of a glutton these days than she used to be and clearly has some connection with the cult and/or the island to which they're headed. Meanwhile, Lupin's investigating a site called Invisible, a dark web site where they sell all manner of unsavory stuff. I'm sure these two will cross-over and we'll find out it's run by the cult or something. We get another solid song in the middle of this episode. Again, just nice to see Fujiko enjoying some time with Amelia, exceedingly unusual for her. Also new is Fujiko in a nun habit. The cult turns out to be run by the very guy who tried and failed to brand Fujiko, who has now taken to branding many of his less loyal followers. He manipulated Amelia into double-crossing Fujiko, so soon enough, she's dragged into a torture dungeon in lingerie. I can think of worse ways to use a dungeon. Dude wants to brand her for real this time, but Fujiko remains confident. Soon enough, Amelia reveals that this was, in fact, a triple-cross. She was human trafficked from a young age and has a bone to pick with the man who financed it. Time to take her revenge. And yep, Invisible is connected directly to the cult. Lupin hacks into the company and takes over the island just when it's most convenient. He ends up... damn, burning the cult leader alive. He was terrible, but still. Amelia's pregnant, we fast-forward to what's probably a year in the future to have Fujiko meet the child, showing that this friendship actually has legs. Might see her again, probably not this season. |
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| Episode 20. Mattea being another one of Tomoe's students makes sense. Maybe whoever it is killed the real Mattea and has been impersonating her for a while. A female acquaintance of Fujiko and fellow thief, that is rare. Fujiko doesn't seem to do well with other women. She didn't like Rebecca in Part 4 iirc. Fujiko recalls their last job together where this Grayson fellow wanted to brand her (acquire her he called it) when they got caught. Reading your post I know Amelia is pregnant, but the signs are there, giving up smoking and eating a lot. Atlas island, looks suitably cult like. I remember Fujiko was in a nuns habit in one of the early films. She'd lost her memory and had been taken in by a convent. Lupin had to awaken her memories, which he tried to do by taking off his pants iirc, it worked. The old Lupin were a bit more raunchy, reminds me of the Carry On films if you're familiar with them, the definition of lechery, but with a distinctly British sense of humour. I wonder if Fujiko was in on the triple cross, and this was all a set up from the outset. The IT firm, the Invisible group on the dark web and the cult were all connected, and responsible for trafficking Amelia and her friends as children. Grayson gets his comeuppance, roasted by his own torture machine. Lupin does kill from time to time, but only to those who deserve it. Fujiko is one of those women who probably doesn't do well with young children. |
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| Episode 21 We're focused on a girl named Muru this episode in a city surrounded by canals. Seems they're fishing up some mermaids (actually fish called "mermaid fish" that is viewed as legend), like you do. Lupin and company arrive in town and immediately get whiplash. Fujiko as a mermaid is a nice touch, some in-universe fanfic right here along with a lot of dubbed pseudo-romance. This episode is basically Muru shipping the main cast of this series (rightly calling out Lupin as a relentless flirt, but getting Jigen and Goemon pretty wrong) and drawing some surprisingly solid fanart. Lupin, Jigen and Goemon try to fish up this mermaid fish and Muru gathers them together with the intention that they all express their feelings for Fujiko. It's pretty off brand to watch Jigen and Goemon profess love for anyone, let alone Fujiko, but it's fun to watch them play the part. Fujiko even buys into it, dressing as a mermaid and sitting in a giant glass container. Lupin really embraces his lascivious side this episode (I'm aware this is basically his MO through much of the early seasons), jumping head first into the container and getting smacked for his efforts. At least he didn't take off his pants this time. It's a cute interlude right before we get into the back end of the series that doesn't really go anywhere, but really doesn't have to. Seems we'll get back into the heavy stuff with Tomoe next episode. I like the three guys who are fishing and providing advice alongside them. No mermaid fish to be found (or is there...), and we move on in a car full of bags of money. |
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| Episode 21. Madame, Dandy and the Samurai, lol. Whilst stuck on a island we get a romantic fanfic of our gang courtesy of Muru, a young girl with a flair for the melodramatic involving other peoples' love lives. Interestingly according to Fujiko's wiki page she's had flings with both Goemon and Zenigata in the past, although not sure whether this is in the manga or anime. This was fun. I've thought the filler eps have been pretty good this season. Looks like we might be meeting Tomoe's daughter next ep, wonder if she's Mattea? |
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| Episode 22 Hard to believe there are only 2 episodes after this. These two cours have just breezed by. We're following a young woman named Finn as she travels to Revonland, which is apparently in the Arctic given how cold it is there. We meet an old couple who apparently knew her mother before she died giving birth to Finn at the age of 16. Finn has her mother's diary and is trying to learn about her through it, learning of her affections for a football player at her school, but the diary just cuts out before saying who she fell in love with. Finn learns that a tutor was hired for her mother, who was there to "help heal painful memories." The older woman of the household seems to know more than she's letting on, appearing to have some dementia throughout much of the episode, but it's unclear how much she remembers. The tutor ends up being Tomoe, of course. Finn finds cassettes that recorded some of Tomoe's meetings with her mother, learning that the decision to bring in Tomoe was against her mother's wishes and was apparently her grandfather's decision. Weirdly, Tomoe asks her what she'd like to learn. Strange thing for a tutor to leave open. Tomoe comes off as very manipulative, managing Finn's mother's relationships as she did her grandmother. Damn, Tomoe just manipulating this whole family across generations. How old is she? Of course, Lupin's looking into all this simultaneously with Finn's investigations. Helps that Finn's live chatting about her experiences (not sure why, seems a strange choice), which also brings in... Mattea under the alias "Marigold." The whole plot for this episode just reads of Tomoe reaching her hands into another person's life and specifically intervening in and adjusting their relationships, which leads to infighting among her love interests and results in both men getting shot and killed by... another pupil of Tomoe's, who then shoots and kills herself. Damn, this is serious. When Finn's mother hears all this in real time as it's happening over the phone (brutal), and I guess the emotional effect of it was just too much, given she died shortly after childbirth. Lupin and co. head up there, along with Mattea, as soon as they get the chance (followed by Zenigata). Lupin rushes in to help Finn, giving her flowers for her birthday. Mattea, meanwhile, just sits there and hears the voice of Tomoe telling her about killing her prey (Lupin?). Nice to see Lupin pick up Zenigata on the way out. So if I have this correct, Tomoe is involved in a lot of lives, and Lupin and Mattea have both been tracking those lives that have been touched by her. Zenigata's on the trail too because Tomoe's come up in a lot of his investigations. Not clear why this particular family is important or what Tomoe's master plan is, as it seems she's willing to sacrifice pawns for very targeted manipulations. We'll have to see how this wraps up. |
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| Finished Peacemaker S2 last night, very good, can't wait for S3. Episode 22. Yeah, this season has flown by. We'll see how this Tomoe arc pans out, but the main arcs of Part 6 haven't been quite as good as Parts 4&5. Filler eps have been same good time. The way the diary cuts out and the grandfather (who is this person, who knew Tomoe through an acquaintance, someone Lupin might know perhaps?) says a tutor was brought in to ease painful memories, makes me wonder if maybe Sean isn't the father. Maybe this Alan forced himself on her, but Sean thinks the baby is his? Uploading her thoughts as she uncovers her past is a bit of a weird way to present the narration of events. But then again, people seem to upload themselves doing everything and anything these days. But, why would Lupin be listening to a random persons idle thoughts on their past, unless he expected Tomoe to pop up, which she ofc does. So Tomoe taught Mariel's mother as well, Finn's grandmother. Who are Daniel and Anna, Tomoe referred to them as Mariel's guardians, why did she go and stay there I wonder. I notice Tomoe's face is obscured in Mariel's recollection and the photo of her with Mariel's mother, is it the same woman who Lupin knows as Tomoe, maybe it's more than one woman, like Lupin carrying the same moniker over generations for some purpose. Mattea is an internationally wanted felon now, just like Lupin. Not sure about this ep, felt messy and over engineered. Mariel records her lessons on tape, then Finn broadcasts them along with her thoughts online. Alan and Sean on the same call to Mariel, did they happen to run into each other, looked like a public place where they were shot. And what does this all have to do with Lupin? Is it just showing Lupin and us what a manipulative person Tomoe is. We never did see her face clearly, not her eyes anyway. Was it someone impersonating Tomoe? |
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| I enjoyed S2 of Peacemaker, just frustrating that it left us on a cliffhanger with no promise of a S3. Have to hope we get one (or at least that this comes back in future movies/series). Also, agreed on this past episode. There's just too much plot convenience focused around a scene that, at least based on everything we know, shouldn't have had so much attention on it. Didn't feel like there was a need for Mattea and Lupin to sit in on this girl's thoughts throughout this entire venture, and while both of them are obviously connected to Tomoe, it just felt strange for a whole episode dedicated to another woman seeking history on her mother would become sufficient reason for everyone to take an international flight and go through some intense weather just to reach her and leave. Maybe that will be justified in these last two episodes? Episode 23 Zenigata was focused on Mattea, doesn't even care about capturing Lupin. He gives Lupin the previously bloodied recorder from Ariana, who reveals everything about Mattea. She uses the words "everlasting love." I guess it's a trigger he was prepped with by Tomoe. Lupin starts firing on Zenigata, Goemon and Jigen, almost killing them a couple of times while spouting off about his connection to his mother. They end up having to incapacitate him. Mattea intervenes and attacks them. I guess both of them are similarly "activated," and it's crazy how capable she is against some of the biggest badasses in the series. Both Lupin and Mattea get away in the only vehicles, with Mattea aiming to kill Tomoe, following Lupin to her. Lupin has a conversation with Tomoe in his mind, which is pretty trippy. Goemon, Jigen and Zenigata go searching for info where they can find it, the former two from Moriarty (guess he wasn't fully out of the plot) who knows where Tomoe is and has a vested interest in keeping Lupin alive believing he's an important figure, and the latter to Mercedes, who gives him some hints that lead him to Tomoe's likely location (pretty weak clue, but whatever works). Lupin seems to regain his senses along with his memory on route. Fujiko tries to intervene, but even her wiles and kisses prove ineffective. Damn, Lupin's really dedicated. She joins up with Goemon and Jigen to stop him. And yeah, seems @OrlahEhontas was right, Tomoe is his actual mother. Lies within lies on that one. Lupin arrives at Tomoe's location first, finding a much older woman. Tomoe explains that she had a double stand in for her the night she was apparently killed. Mattea arrives shortly thereafter, demanding answers. When Lupin met her, Mattea took a rock to the head that apparently caused her to regain latent memories. She shoots Lupin, who falls out the window. The past is explained: Tomoe tried to run away with Lupin when he was young, but he didn't believe he was her child and rejected her. She spent these many years trying to get him back. Mattea and her other pupils were all used to get to that endpoint. There's an explanation about how she can use his faculty for languages to bring back certain memories, which apparently roped in more women than we were previously aware of, all under the assumption that Lupin couldn't ignore women so... he'd hear them eventually? That seems so convoluted since he'd necessarily have to hear them all and the lines they were saying in their specific languages, which would take decades and may never happen at all in some cases. And yeah, Mattea's pissed. Used and tossed her away like the other women. Lupin survived the shot just fine, and faces Mattea down 1v1. |
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I enjoyed S2 of Peacemaker, just frustrating that it left us on a cliffhanger with no promise of a S3. Have to hope we get one (or at least that this comes back in future movies/series).
Also, agreed on this past episode. There's just too much plot convenience focused around a scene that, at least based on everything we know, shouldn't have had so much attention on it. Didn't feel like there was a need for Mattea and Lupin to sit in on this girl's thoughts throughout this entire venture, and while both of them are obviously connected to Tomoe, it just felt strange for a whole episode dedicated to another woman seeking history on her mother would become sufficient reason for everyone to take an international flight and go through some intense weather just to reach her and leave. Maybe that will be justified in these last two episodes?
Episode 23
Zenigata was focused on Mattea, doesn't even care about capturing Lupin. He gives Lupin the previously bloodied recorder from Ariana, who reveals everything about Mattea. She uses the words "everlasting love." I guess it's a trigger he was prepped with by Tomoe. Lupin starts firing on Zenigata, Goemon and Jigen, almost killing them a couple of times while spouting off about his connection to his mother. They end up having to incapacitate him.
Mattea intervenes and attacks them. I guess both of them are similarly "activated," and it's crazy how capable she is against some of the biggest badasses in the series. Both Lupin and Mattea get away in the only vehicles, with Mattea aiming to kill Tomoe, following Lupin to her. Lupin has a conversation with Tomoe in his mind, which is pretty trippy.
Goemon, Jigen and Zenigata go searching for info where they can find it, the former two from Moriarty (guess he wasn't fully out of the plot) who knows where Tomoe is and has a vested interest in keeping Lupin alive believing he's an important figure, and the latter to Mercedes, who gives him some hints that lead him to Tomoe's likely location (pretty weak clue, but whatever works).
Lupin seems to regain his senses along with his memory on route. Fujiko tries to intervene, but even her wiles and kisses prove ineffective. Damn, Lupin's really dedicated. She joins up with Goemon and Jigen to stop him.
And yeah, seems @OrlahEhontas was right, Tomoe is his actual mother. Lies within lies on that one.
Lupin arrives at Tomoe's location first, finding a much older woman. Tomoe explains that she had a double stand in for her the night she was apparently killed. Mattea arrives shortly thereafter, demanding answers. When Lupin met her, Mattea took a rock to the head that apparently caused her to regain latent memories. She shoots Lupin, who falls out the window.
The past is explained: Tomoe tried to run away with Lupin when he was young, but he didn't believe he was her child and rejected her. She spent these many years trying to get him back. Mattea and her other pupils were all used to get to that endpoint. There's an explanation about how she can use his faculty for languages to bring back certain memories, which apparently roped in more women than we were previously aware of, all under the assumption that Lupin couldn't ignore women so... he'd hear them eventually? That seems so convoluted since he'd necessarily have to hear them all and the lines they were saying in their specific languages, which would take decades and may never happen at all in some cases. And yeah, Mattea's pissed. Used and tossed her away like the other women.
Lupin survived the shot just fine, and faces Mattea down 1v1.
Also, agreed on this past episode. There's just too much plot convenience focused around a scene that, at least based on everything we know, shouldn't have had so much attention on it. Didn't feel like there was a need for Mattea and Lupin to sit in on this girl's thoughts throughout this entire venture, and while both of them are obviously connected to Tomoe, it just felt strange for a whole episode dedicated to another woman seeking history on her mother would become sufficient reason for everyone to take an international flight and go through some intense weather just to reach her and leave. Maybe that will be justified in these last two episodes?
Episode 23
Zenigata was focused on Mattea, doesn't even care about capturing Lupin. He gives Lupin the previously bloodied recorder from Ariana, who reveals everything about Mattea. She uses the words "everlasting love." I guess it's a trigger he was prepped with by Tomoe. Lupin starts firing on Zenigata, Goemon and Jigen, almost killing them a couple of times while spouting off about his connection to his mother. They end up having to incapacitate him.
Mattea intervenes and attacks them. I guess both of them are similarly "activated," and it's crazy how capable she is against some of the biggest badasses in the series. Both Lupin and Mattea get away in the only vehicles, with Mattea aiming to kill Tomoe, following Lupin to her. Lupin has a conversation with Tomoe in his mind, which is pretty trippy.
Goemon, Jigen and Zenigata go searching for info where they can find it, the former two from Moriarty (guess he wasn't fully out of the plot) who knows where Tomoe is and has a vested interest in keeping Lupin alive believing he's an important figure, and the latter to Mercedes, who gives him some hints that lead him to Tomoe's likely location (pretty weak clue, but whatever works).
Lupin seems to regain his senses along with his memory on route. Fujiko tries to intervene, but even her wiles and kisses prove ineffective. Damn, Lupin's really dedicated. She joins up with Goemon and Jigen to stop him.
And yeah, seems @OrlahEhontas was right, Tomoe is his actual mother. Lies within lies on that one.
Lupin arrives at Tomoe's location first, finding a much older woman. Tomoe explains that she had a double stand in for her the night she was apparently killed. Mattea arrives shortly thereafter, demanding answers. When Lupin met her, Mattea took a rock to the head that apparently caused her to regain latent memories. She shoots Lupin, who falls out the window.
The past is explained: Tomoe tried to run away with Lupin when he was young, but he didn't believe he was her child and rejected her. She spent these many years trying to get him back. Mattea and her other pupils were all used to get to that endpoint. There's an explanation about how she can use his faculty for languages to bring back certain memories, which apparently roped in more women than we were previously aware of, all under the assumption that Lupin couldn't ignore women so... he'd hear them eventually? That seems so convoluted since he'd necessarily have to hear them all and the lines they were saying in their specific languages, which would take decades and may never happen at all in some cases. And yeah, Mattea's pissed. Used and tossed her away like the other women.
Lupin survived the shot just fine, and faces Mattea down 1v1.
whiteflame55 said: And yeah, seems @OrlahEhontas was right, Tomoe is his actual mother. Lies within lies on that one. Episode 24 |
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| Would be a huge waste if we don't get a Peacemaker S3, I want to see what happens next. All depends on James Gunn and his future commitments. That last ep felt unnecessary, it did give us some more insight into how manipulative Tomoe has been, and with little regard for the lives of others, but as you said, having Mattea and Lupin race to the scene, only for Lupin to catch a falling Finn then retire was pointless. And the podcast of her thoughts a bit daft. Saw in the news this morning that a real life Lupin made off with a bunch of jewels from the Louvre. Wonder if they were copies though. I thought that most priceless jewels are copied these days to prevent this exact thing from happening. I know the crown jewels in the UK on display aren't the real ones. Episode 23. 'everlasting love', isn't that a bit of a common phrase to use as trigger words. Moriaty enlightens Jigen, Goemon and us on Tomoe. She is a master hypnotist, and his speculates that either she really is Lupin's birth mother, or else she simply wants to control him as an agent of chaos. It is different seeing Lupin completely swerve Fujiko and leave her chasing him. She usually has him well under her thumb. She's not amused by her turn in fortune 'he's earnt the slap of the century'. Tomoe is revealed to be Lupin's birth mother, but the grandfather wanted to keep this info secret so he wouldn't have a rival person who could emotionally control the young Lupin. Tomoe's language idea sounds like poppy cock. Tomoe's actions do appear convoluted and obsessive, but having her birth child taken away from her, and then having the grandfather actively work to prevent that child from knowing you were his mother would be exactly the sort of motivation I could see propelling someone to these extreme lengths. Been a bit messy getting here but now we've down to the final confrontation, Mattea vs Lupin. Expect Tomoe will get her just deserts for her actions, and Lupin will lose the mother he never knew. |
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| @OrlahEhontas Yeah, I think Tomoe's perspective is that the person she crafted through her wily efforts was necessarily going to be in her control as soon as she activated him, which just fails to recognize the degree to which he has been influenced in her absence. It was more than a little over the top, but I guess that tracks with someone who raised Lupin. Same with Gramps. As for the video, I heard that one a lot growing up. Dad's a psychiatrist so I heard a lot about the funny farm. @23feanor We can but hope we'll get another season of Peacemaker. I polished off the Aria series last night and it is absolutely a wonderful watch throughout. Worth picking up those final two films, the first of which mainly focuses on Athena and Alice, and the second on Akari and Aika. They both cover some great material, including some reanimation of scenes from the series proper and putting them into a different context. Particularly enjoyed the latter. I'll have to post a full review for the series, but overall, I'd place it around 8.5/10, one of those series I'd rate higher in aggregate than I might for any individual part. And yeah, I heard about the jewel thieves this morning. Crazy that stuff like that still happens. Episode 24 Alright, let's see how they wrap this up. They've set this confrontation up for a while, so it should be interesting. Also, are all the women Tomoe had as pupils similarly dangerous? We have Mattea, Amelia and Mercedes who are all clearly quite capable, but there are a lot of other women on that list and Mattea at least can keep up with a lot of heavy hitters, even if she proves no match for Lupin 1v1. Goemon, Jigen and Fujiko intervene. As Fujiko points out, this seems like a sham, lot of reliance on some evidence in a box Tomoe has. Lupin gets some slaps for being a dick to Fujiko, but it turns out his change of attitude is all part of a charade. He's been back to himself for a while now, and he's not actually convinced Tomoe is his mother. Tomoe can't believe it, saying that she's poured years of her life into this careful trick of mind control, but says the trio who came to find him kept him grounded well enough that even all those lovely ladies couldn't fully ensnare him, at least not for long. Appears he came out of it when he arrived at this location. A tad convenient. Lupin does, however, now have his memories. The gem and box were both stolen by him as a child, even if they were taken by Tomoe. He intuitsthat the box contains evidence against Tomoe as his mother, but Tomoe believes she can still use him. Lupin proves quite willing to end her before she can do that, though, shooting her in the chest. In the end, she still believes they'll be together. Mattea makes sure she's good and dead by adding some holes. Mattea and Lupin still have to hash this out, but with Lupin bleeding from that wound in his chest, it's not a given he'll win. Some creative use of roof tiles and a bloody pair of fists eventually do overwhelm Mattea despite all her hidden blades, at least until they can just talk for a minute. Lupin encourages her to forge a new path for herself and Mattea leaves, cuffed by Zenigata and finding out that Ariana survived. We don't find out the ultimate question from Se7en of what's in the box, since Lupin takes a look inside then throws it into a fire. Would be nice to know what he saw. I get that he already has his found family, but the lack of closure on this central mystery is still frustrating. We get little views of the women from the series, see that Mercedes escaped prison and has plans, watch Ariana wake up. And Lupin and co. continue to stay just ahead of the fuzz. I can see why this is the lowest rated of the Lupin the Third seasons we've watched so far. Both Part 4 and 5 had pretty gripping central narratives that paid off well, but this one was much more of a mixed bag. Weird to say it was at its best when it was leaning on Sherlock Holmes, but that portion of the plot had some pretty neat twists and paid off well. I can't say the same for the Tomoe plot, which was more convoluted and ended anticlimactically. She might have more influence on the plot going forward given how many of the women from this season are still in play, but it's hard to say how much future seasons of the show will bring in characters like Mattea and Mercedes. I'm not sure I'd want that anyway, they don't have the kind of magnetic appeal that Rebecca, Nyx, or even Ami had. It is pretty apparent that Moriarty is destined to stick around, which might lead somewhere interesting, but his role was almost entirely on the sidelines this season and even then, it wasn't pivotal at all (Goemon and Jigen got info leading to Tomoe's location, but Zenigata intuited the same from meeting Mercedes). That said, this is still Lupin and I still enjoyed their various antics. Getting to see Jigen go full hard-boiled in a couple of episodes, some time travel shenanigans, and even the brushes with the fantastical were intriguing. I think this worked best when it was just focused on side stories and one-offs, and I got enough of those to have a good time going through this. 7.6/10. As always, a pleasure watching along with you @23feanor. Thank you for your insights throughout as well @OrlahEhontas, appreciated the extra info! And I was glad you could join us for a bit as well @SuperAdventure, would love to get your thoughts on the season if you finish! |
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@OrlahEhontas Yeah, I think Tomoe's perspective is that the person she crafted through her wily efforts was necessarily going to be in her control as soon as she activated him, which just fails to recognize the degree to which he has been influenced in her absence. It was more than a little over the top, but I guess that tracks with someone who raised Lupin. Same with Gramps.
As for the video, I heard that one a lot growing up. Dad's a psychiatrist so I heard a lot about the funny farm.
@23feanor We can but hope we'll get another season of Peacemaker.
I polished off the Aria series last night and it is absolutely a wonderful watch throughout. Worth picking up those final two films, the first of which mainly focuses on Athena and Alice, and the second on Akari and Aika. They both cover some great material, including some reanimation of scenes from the series proper and putting them into a different context. Particularly enjoyed the latter. I'll have to post a full review for the series, but overall, I'd place it around 8.5/10, one of those series I'd rate higher in aggregate than I might for any individual part.
And yeah, I heard about the jewel thieves this morning. Crazy that stuff like that still happens.
Episode 24
Alright, let's see how they wrap this up. They've set this confrontation up for a while, so it should be interesting. Also, are all the women Tomoe had as pupils similarly dangerous? We have Mattea, Amelia and Mercedes who are all clearly quite capable, but there are a lot of other women on that list and Mattea at least can keep up with a lot of heavy hitters, even if she proves no match for Lupin 1v1.
Goemon, Jigen and Fujiko intervene. As Fujiko points out, this seems like a sham, lot of reliance on some evidence in a box Tomoe has. Lupin gets some slaps for being a dick to Fujiko, but it turns out his change of attitude is all part of a charade. He's been back to himself for a while now, and he's not actually convinced Tomoe is his mother. Tomoe can't believe it, saying that she's poured years of her life into this careful trick of mind control, but says the trio who came to find him kept him grounded well enough that even all those lovely ladies couldn't fully ensnare him, at least not for long. Appears he came out of it when he arrived at this location. A tad convenient.
Lupin does, however, now have his memories. The gem and box were both stolen by him as a child, even if they were taken by Tomoe. He intuitsthat the box contains evidence against Tomoe as his mother, but Tomoe believes she can still use him. Lupin proves quite willing to end her before she can do that, though, shooting her in the chest. In the end, she still believes they'll be together. Mattea makes sure she's good and dead by adding some holes.
Mattea and Lupin still have to hash this out, but with Lupin bleeding from that wound in his chest, it's not a given he'll win. Some creative use of roof tiles and a bloody pair of fists eventually do overwhelm Mattea despite all her hidden blades, at least until they can just talk for a minute. Lupin encourages her to forge a new path for herself and Mattea leaves, cuffed by Zenigata and finding out that Ariana survived.
We don't find out the ultimate question from Se7en of what's in the box, since Lupin takes a look inside then throws it into a fire. Would be nice to know what he saw. I get that he already has his found family, but the lack of closure on this central mystery is still frustrating.
We get little views of the women from the series, see that Mercedes escaped prison and has plans, watch Ariana wake up. And Lupin and co. continue to stay just ahead of the fuzz.
I can see why this is the lowest rated of the Lupin the Third seasons we've watched so far. Both Part 4 and 5 had pretty gripping central narratives that paid off well, but this one was much more of a mixed bag. Weird to say it was at its best when it was leaning on Sherlock Holmes, but that portion of the plot had some pretty neat twists and paid off well. I can't say the same for the Tomoe plot, which was more convoluted and ended anticlimactically. She might have more influence on the plot going forward given how many of the women from this season are still in play, but it's hard to say how much future seasons of the show will bring in characters like Mattea and Mercedes. I'm not sure I'd want that anyway, they don't have the kind of magnetic appeal that Rebecca, Nyx, or even Ami had. It is pretty apparent that Moriarty is destined to stick around, which might lead somewhere interesting, but his role was almost entirely on the sidelines this season and even then, it wasn't pivotal at all (Goemon and Jigen got info leading to Tomoe's location, but Zenigata intuited the same from meeting Mercedes).
That said, this is still Lupin and I still enjoyed their various antics. Getting to see Jigen go full hard-boiled in a couple of episodes, some time travel shenanigans, and even the brushes with the fantastical were intriguing. I think this worked best when it was just focused on side stories and one-offs, and I got enough of those to have a good time going through this. 7.6/10.
As always, a pleasure watching along with you @23feanor. Thank you for your insights throughout as well @OrlahEhontas, appreciated the extra info! And I was glad you could join us for a bit as well @SuperAdventure, would love to get your thoughts on the season if you finish!
As for the video, I heard that one a lot growing up. Dad's a psychiatrist so I heard a lot about the funny farm.
@23feanor We can but hope we'll get another season of Peacemaker.
I polished off the Aria series last night and it is absolutely a wonderful watch throughout. Worth picking up those final two films, the first of which mainly focuses on Athena and Alice, and the second on Akari and Aika. They both cover some great material, including some reanimation of scenes from the series proper and putting them into a different context. Particularly enjoyed the latter. I'll have to post a full review for the series, but overall, I'd place it around 8.5/10, one of those series I'd rate higher in aggregate than I might for any individual part.
And yeah, I heard about the jewel thieves this morning. Crazy that stuff like that still happens.
Episode 24
Alright, let's see how they wrap this up. They've set this confrontation up for a while, so it should be interesting. Also, are all the women Tomoe had as pupils similarly dangerous? We have Mattea, Amelia and Mercedes who are all clearly quite capable, but there are a lot of other women on that list and Mattea at least can keep up with a lot of heavy hitters, even if she proves no match for Lupin 1v1.
Goemon, Jigen and Fujiko intervene. As Fujiko points out, this seems like a sham, lot of reliance on some evidence in a box Tomoe has. Lupin gets some slaps for being a dick to Fujiko, but it turns out his change of attitude is all part of a charade. He's been back to himself for a while now, and he's not actually convinced Tomoe is his mother. Tomoe can't believe it, saying that she's poured years of her life into this careful trick of mind control, but says the trio who came to find him kept him grounded well enough that even all those lovely ladies couldn't fully ensnare him, at least not for long. Appears he came out of it when he arrived at this location. A tad convenient.
Lupin does, however, now have his memories. The gem and box were both stolen by him as a child, even if they were taken by Tomoe. He intuitsthat the box contains evidence against Tomoe as his mother, but Tomoe believes she can still use him. Lupin proves quite willing to end her before she can do that, though, shooting her in the chest. In the end, she still believes they'll be together. Mattea makes sure she's good and dead by adding some holes.
Mattea and Lupin still have to hash this out, but with Lupin bleeding from that wound in his chest, it's not a given he'll win. Some creative use of roof tiles and a bloody pair of fists eventually do overwhelm Mattea despite all her hidden blades, at least until they can just talk for a minute. Lupin encourages her to forge a new path for herself and Mattea leaves, cuffed by Zenigata and finding out that Ariana survived.
We don't find out the ultimate question from Se7en of what's in the box, since Lupin takes a look inside then throws it into a fire. Would be nice to know what he saw. I get that he already has his found family, but the lack of closure on this central mystery is still frustrating.
We get little views of the women from the series, see that Mercedes escaped prison and has plans, watch Ariana wake up. And Lupin and co. continue to stay just ahead of the fuzz.
I can see why this is the lowest rated of the Lupin the Third seasons we've watched so far. Both Part 4 and 5 had pretty gripping central narratives that paid off well, but this one was much more of a mixed bag. Weird to say it was at its best when it was leaning on Sherlock Holmes, but that portion of the plot had some pretty neat twists and paid off well. I can't say the same for the Tomoe plot, which was more convoluted and ended anticlimactically. She might have more influence on the plot going forward given how many of the women from this season are still in play, but it's hard to say how much future seasons of the show will bring in characters like Mattea and Mercedes. I'm not sure I'd want that anyway, they don't have the kind of magnetic appeal that Rebecca, Nyx, or even Ami had. It is pretty apparent that Moriarty is destined to stick around, which might lead somewhere interesting, but his role was almost entirely on the sidelines this season and even then, it wasn't pivotal at all (Goemon and Jigen got info leading to Tomoe's location, but Zenigata intuited the same from meeting Mercedes).
That said, this is still Lupin and I still enjoyed their various antics. Getting to see Jigen go full hard-boiled in a couple of episodes, some time travel shenanigans, and even the brushes with the fantastical were intriguing. I think this worked best when it was just focused on side stories and one-offs, and I got enough of those to have a good time going through this. 7.6/10.
As always, a pleasure watching along with you @23feanor. Thank you for your insights throughout as well @OrlahEhontas, appreciated the extra info! And I was glad you could join us for a bit as well @SuperAdventure, would love to get your thoughts on the season if you finish!
whiteflame55 said: Mattea and Lupin still have to hash this out, but with Lupin bleeding from that wound in his chest, it's not a given he'll win. Some creative use of roof tiles and a bloody pair of fists eventually do overwhelm Mattea despite all her hidden blades, at least until they can just talk for a minute. Have to admit to being surprised and impressed by the number of blades she had hidden. Amazing that she didn't clank when she walked down the street. whiteflame55 said: Weird to say it was at its best when it was leaning on Sherlock Holmes, but that portion of the plot had some pretty neat twists and paid off well. I can't say the same for the Tomoe plot, which was more convoluted and ended anticlimactically. I think part of that is that the first half was done so much more linearly than the second half, where Lupin and Co. were bouncing all over the place with no real "obvious" plot to the story. Have to admit that the final episode did a fair episode of tying the second half together. Even if we didn't get the "closure" of seeing what was in the box that Lupin apparently did. He must have seen enough for him to pitch into the "flames" of his youth. Both figuratively and literally. Patiently (yeah, right!) awaiting the next full season mainstream encounter with one of the most popular Gentleman Thief. 8.5/10. |
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| Episode 24. Ah, so another twist, Tomoe is not his mother, and this was a work of hers decades in the making. Trying to control the mind of Lupin. Although, I'm still not sure for what purpose, and it seems to have taken so long, waiting for all the women to cross paths with Lupin and activate him by saying various phrases in different languages, that it doesn't come over as a worthwhile endeavour. Surely there are easier ways for Tomoe to make money, or was this simply a vanity project for her, proving she could control the notorious Lupin? It was Lupin's connection to the 3 stooges that brought him out of his funk, nice touch. I thought that was Jigen's hat I saw in his illusion. The answer appears to be that Tomoe was a bit gone in the head, and obsessed over making Lupin dance to her tune. But, using all the these women to do it seems like a roundabout and cruel way of doing so. So Lupin justly shoots her to prevent any more meddling from Tomoe in other people's lives. Lupin faces off against Mattea and subdues her amidst the gently falling cherry blossom. I didn't mind the way this arc wrapped up, although the fight against Mattea was a bit pointless, and I guess was included because Lupin couldn't fight Tomoe directly given that she'd aged. So the writers needed to include one final fight scene in this last ep. Not showing us the contents of the box was a cop out, likely because there is no clue from the manga about Lupin's true mother, so the writers didn't know what to put in there, so easiest way out is to not show the contents of the box. Anything they included in that box would've been picked over by Lupin fans and analysed with regard to the source material. Enough to make any show writer think twice about glibly including some trinket without any hidden meaning. I settled on a high 7/10 (7.8) for this entry from the Lupin franchise. I did like the Sherlock arc set in London, Watson's daughter made interactions with Holmes different enough, I didn't see it being L'Estrade and the Raven network was intriguing. The Tomoe story a bit more messy. You make a good point @OrlahEhontas, it did feel like the Tomoe story was jumping from place to place (New York, Centorica, Iceland, Japan) and with the one shot eps in between, that take place in various locations, it gave the second half of the show a disjointed aspect. I have similar experience with Sailor Moon but to a lesser extent, it's a fun watch, simple premise well executed. With Lupin you get top quality banter between these well established characters, international settings, nicely animated and sounds great. The OST really shone again this season. One thing I missed a bit, and that was more core banter. Yeah there was some ofc, but one of the things I loved most about Part 5 was Jigen, Goemon and Lupin sharing that flat in France above the restaurant, when they were pretending to be 3 old men, cooking and going out for ingredients, then shooting the breeze, whilst Fujiko would drop in now and then. Thanks as always @whiteflame55, Lupin series are always a good time. And thanks for your input @OrlahEhontas and @SuperAdventure, nice to hear your thoughts as well. Parts 4,5&6 were released 3 years apart, with Part 6 coming out in 2021, so we're a year overdue for part 7, but Lupin is still popular and a beloved series, so here's hoping we get an announcement before too long. Lucky for us (ie for the group watch) we can go back and watch the earlier series which neither @whiteflame55 nor myself have seen. |
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Episode 24. Ah, so another twist, Tomoe is not his mother, and this was a work of hers decades in the making. Trying to control the mind of Lupin. Although, I'm still not sure for what purpose, and it seems to have taken so long, waiting for all the women to cross paths with Lupin and activate him by saying various phrases in different languages, that it doesn't come over as a worthwhile endeavour. Surely there are easier ways for Tomoe to make money, or was this simply a vanity project for her, proving she could control the notorious Lupin?
It was Lupin's connection to the 3 stooges that brought him out of his funk, nice touch. I thought that was Jigen's hat I saw in his illusion.
The answer appears to be that Tomoe was a bit gone in the head, and obsessed over making Lupin dance to her tune. But, using all the these women to do it seems like a roundabout and cruel way of doing so. So Lupin justly shoots her to prevent any more meddling from Tomoe in other people's lives.
Lupin faces off against Mattea and subdues her amidst the gently falling cherry blossom. I didn't mind the way this arc wrapped up, although the fight against Mattea was a bit pointless, and I guess was included because Lupin couldn't fight Tomoe directly given that she'd aged. So the writers needed to include one final fight scene in this last ep.
Not showing us the contents of the box was a cop out, likely because there is no clue from the manga about Lupin's true mother, so the writers didn't know what to put in there, so easiest way out is to not show the contents of the box. Anything they included in that box would've been picked over by Lupin fans and analysed with regard to the source material. Enough to make any show writer think twice about glibly including some trinket without any hidden meaning.
I settled on a high 7/10 (7.8) for this entry from the Lupin franchise. I did like the Sherlock arc set in London, Watson's daughter made interactions with Holmes different enough, I didn't see it being L'Estrade and the Raven network was intriguing. The Tomoe story a bit more messy. You make a good point @OrlahEhontas, it did feel like the Tomoe story was jumping from place to place (New York, Centorica, Iceland, Japan) and with the one shot eps in between, that take place in various locations, it gave the second half of the show a disjointed aspect.
I have similar experience with Sailor Moon but to a lesser extent, it's a fun watch, simple premise well executed. With Lupin you get top quality banter between these well established characters, international settings, nicely animated and sounds great. The OST really shone again this season. One thing I missed a bit, and that was more core banter. Yeah there was some ofc, but one of the things I loved most about Part 5 was Jigen, Goemon and Lupin sharing that flat in France above the restaurant, when they were pretending to be 3 old men, cooking and going out for ingredients, then shooting the breeze, whilst Fujiko would drop in now and then.
Thanks as always @whiteflame55, Lupin series are always a good time. And thanks for your input @OrlahEhontas and @SuperAdventure, nice to hear your thoughts as well.
Parts 4,5&6 were released 3 years apart, with Part 6 coming out in 2021, so we're a year overdue for part 7, but Lupin is still popular and a beloved series, so here's hoping we get an announcement before too long. Lucky for us (ie for the group watch) we can go back and watch the earlier series which neither @whiteflame55 nor myself have seen.
It was Lupin's connection to the 3 stooges that brought him out of his funk, nice touch. I thought that was Jigen's hat I saw in his illusion.
The answer appears to be that Tomoe was a bit gone in the head, and obsessed over making Lupin dance to her tune. But, using all the these women to do it seems like a roundabout and cruel way of doing so. So Lupin justly shoots her to prevent any more meddling from Tomoe in other people's lives.
Lupin faces off against Mattea and subdues her amidst the gently falling cherry blossom. I didn't mind the way this arc wrapped up, although the fight against Mattea was a bit pointless, and I guess was included because Lupin couldn't fight Tomoe directly given that she'd aged. So the writers needed to include one final fight scene in this last ep.
Not showing us the contents of the box was a cop out, likely because there is no clue from the manga about Lupin's true mother, so the writers didn't know what to put in there, so easiest way out is to not show the contents of the box. Anything they included in that box would've been picked over by Lupin fans and analysed with regard to the source material. Enough to make any show writer think twice about glibly including some trinket without any hidden meaning.
I settled on a high 7/10 (7.8) for this entry from the Lupin franchise. I did like the Sherlock arc set in London, Watson's daughter made interactions with Holmes different enough, I didn't see it being L'Estrade and the Raven network was intriguing. The Tomoe story a bit more messy. You make a good point @OrlahEhontas, it did feel like the Tomoe story was jumping from place to place (New York, Centorica, Iceland, Japan) and with the one shot eps in between, that take place in various locations, it gave the second half of the show a disjointed aspect.
I have similar experience with Sailor Moon but to a lesser extent, it's a fun watch, simple premise well executed. With Lupin you get top quality banter between these well established characters, international settings, nicely animated and sounds great. The OST really shone again this season. One thing I missed a bit, and that was more core banter. Yeah there was some ofc, but one of the things I loved most about Part 5 was Jigen, Goemon and Lupin sharing that flat in France above the restaurant, when they were pretending to be 3 old men, cooking and going out for ingredients, then shooting the breeze, whilst Fujiko would drop in now and then.
Thanks as always @whiteflame55, Lupin series are always a good time. And thanks for your input @OrlahEhontas and @SuperAdventure, nice to hear your thoughts as well.
Parts 4,5&6 were released 3 years apart, with Part 6 coming out in 2021, so we're a year overdue for part 7, but Lupin is still popular and a beloved series, so here's hoping we get an announcement before too long. Lucky for us (ie for the group watch) we can go back and watch the earlier series which neither @whiteflame55 nor myself have seen.
23feanor said: Parts 4,5&6 were released 3 years apart, with Part 6 coming out in 2021, so we're a year overdue for part 7, but Lupin is still popular and a beloved series, so here's hoping we get an announcement before too long. Most likely that would be the ONA and the movie that came out earlier this year, with a further delay on any part VII attached to the mainstream story. So sorta not really overdue yet. |
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| @whiteflame55. Ah well I guess I do owe you guys an update on this show- I have made very little progress and it all comes down to having to watch it on my Mac, which is SMALL, since my TV refuses to play any videos directly off web browser.. legit sites or not. But not only is watching it visually challenging with my sub-par eyesight on a 13-inch screen, but the show itself is so visually dark, and SO DIALOGUE HEAVY AND there is no dub, I think I'm up to episode 9 now that's how unpleasant watching this has been for me. Every day I think "I should watch Lupin" and I glance at my tiny Mac screen, and am like "Ugh I'm too tired to squint at that" ..I doubt I'll finish it before.. January. Like episode 7 was so damn boring, Christ it can't hold my interest.. episode 8 wasn't much better. The whole Lupin vs Holmes thing doesn't work for me, it's the one problem with the Lupin series is that it occasionally tries to be artsy and do these big Hollywood style mystery plots with all this whodunnit and whydunnit I really preferred the single episode stories, or simpler arcs about STEALING SHIT. I guess that Mongolian clock thing was alright, but even that was SO BORING the way it played out. And that chick who looked like Fujiko and the whole time I was like "It's Fujiko" then when it was NOT Fujiko I was thrown off. The production quality at least looks decent, but they are leaning on filtered photographs quite a bit here for London, rather than drawing it. I found the experience of London in Lord El-Molloi's Case Files much more enchanting. The one character I like in this is Lily because she's cute and I like cute lolis sue me. What I do not like is her being "the key to everything" and basically treated like a fragile McGuffin at least so far, and that's up to episode 9. I don't know if there are any Lupin fans here, but I personally LOVEd Series 4 and Series 5. How did you think this stacked up against them? |
| @SuperAdventure I think this is a substantial step down from both Part 4 and 5, though I still enjoyed it. Aspects of the narrative bothered me, but I still love spending time with these characters. I think you're right that the episodes that work best for me this time around are generally the ones that don't engage with the broader story, but thankfully there are a good number of those. Sorry you have to deal with watching it on your small Mac, sounds like a pain in the ass. |
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