Turkey! Episode 6 Discussion

Aug 15, 9:49 AM

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Started off okay with the girls finding respect for the traditional ways regarding marriage, but definitely got more interesting with one of our heroines having to face the reality of killing or being killed in the harsher past. Glad there wasn't an easy way out!

Aug 17, 4:35 AM

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Holy shit what happened to my wholesome CGDCT bowling anime? Sayuri was the least interesting of the girls to me and she ends up having the best and most dramatic arc wtf? 😭 I did not see that Suguri gender reveal coming at all, but I guess in hindsight there were some signs like how everyone thought she was extremely beautiful.. but that ending oh my goodness! What an episode.

I think this is the first time I’ve seen a girl having her period be the focal point of a story arc in anime. Usually it’s one of those things that gets brushed over or straight up ignored because it’s not convenient to write about, but being transported to the Sengoku period does beg the question, wtf do you do when it’s that time of month? They never did answer what a “cinch” was, but good old Google tells me it’s essentially the feudal Japanese equivalent of pads.

The last 8 minutes or so were just incredible. I feel for Sayuri and understand where she’s coming from about not wanting people to get killed, but ultimately she’s got a very naive way of seeing the world thanks to the peaceful era she and the girls come from. You can’t judge the past by today’s standards. It really was a killed or be killed world and I like how this show has shown the brutality of the Sengoku period a little. A lot of anime romanticise it as some cool place you’d like to live, but it was horrible almost everyone that wasn’t a samurai.

Why tf did the fight animation go so hard in this episode tho? Suguri vs the bandit looked amazing. “Is he dead” Sayuri asks as she hits someone in the head with a boulder had me cracking up. I wasn’t expecting Suguri to actually finish the bandit off tho! “If it’s to protect you Suguri, I’m willing to kill” wait, you can’t have a Yuri ship with your ancestor, Sayuri!! this episode was just full of surprises. Really enjoyed it, show is extremely slept on.

So Mai has her ancestor, Sayuri has hers, Nozomi has hers, Nanase and Rina are the only ones missing I believe.

@Marinate1016 I wasn't expecting the bandit to be killed either, but I'm kind of glad he was. If Suguri would've backed down, her message about what protecting means (sacrificing a life to save another) would be less powerful. I really wasn't expecting this sort of thing when I began watching Turkey, but I am pleasantly surprised lol.

Aug 17, 5:45 AM

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This episode was a full surprise from the beginning to the end! Sayuri and Suguri make a great duo and it's good that Sayuri is more independent!

Aug 17, 6:49 AM

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Ugh. Did these girls never read a history book before? It's not even like they were thrown off in a strange foreign country thousands of years ago. It was their own country just 500 years prior in the freaking Sengoku period! I thought this was like one of the most talked-about periods in Japan? So, how does Mai not know what a political marriage is, and why does Sayuri act like killing is not a fundamental part of life in this era? It makes no sense.

If this show took place in the modern era I'd understand but it made me cringe how these girls almost tried to force their modern 21st-century ideals onto 16th-century people. So, I'm kinda glad the show didn't act like they were in the right and the Sengoku era people as backward savages who didn't know what they were doing. Sumomo doesn't mind marrying a guy she has never met. How the heck would most people in remote locations have even gotten married without the internet or any intermediary in the past? Ig the girls thought life was like Disney movies in the past lol.

The most shocking part was Sayuri actually being an accomplice to the bandit's killing. She doesn't have to like it. But she has to accept that back then it was kill or be killed. It's not like those bandits were innocent. If they were spared, they'd never face justice. So I'm kinda glad they weren't. Otherwise, I really would've hated this episode.

Oh wow. Suguri was a girl all along. I think it was pretty obvious because of the female seiyuu. And "he" looked more like a she in general. I wonder if this is a reference to Ryunosuke Fujinami from Urusei Yatsura. But unlike Ryunosuke, Suguri wasn't forced to be a man by her father.

The animation of this episode was probably the best yet. I'd probably call it the best episode yet if the story weren't so questionable. But the ending kinda saved it.

@Rsma130 Agree with most of what you said. I don't think it's a bad anime but it does seem like it's not sure what it wants to be which leads to poor executions.

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Aug 17, 8:16 AM

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Ugh. Did these girls never read a history book before? It's not even like they were thrown off in a strange foreign country thousands of years ago. It was their own country just 500 years prior in the freaking Sengoku period! I thought this was like one of the most talked-about periods in Japan? So, how does Mai not know what a political marriage is, and why does Sayuri act like killing is not a fundamental part of life in this era? It makes no sense.

If this show took place in the modern era I'd understand but it made me cringe how these girls almost tried to force their modern 21st-century ideals onto 16th-century people. So, I'm kinda glad the show didn't act like they were in the right and the Sengoku era people as backward savages who didn't know what they were doing. Sumomo doesn't mind marrying a guy she has never met. How the heck would most people in remote locations have even gotten married without the internet or any intermediary in the past? Ig the girls thought life was like Disney movies in the past lol.

The most shocking part was Sayuri actually being an accomplice to the bandit's killing. She doesn't have to like it. But she has to accept that back then it was kill or be killed. It's not like those bandits were innocent. If they were spared, they'd never face justice. So I'm kinda glad they weren't. Otherwise, I really would've hated this episode.

Oh wow. Suguri was a girl all along. I think it was pretty obvious because of the female seiyuu. And "he" looked more like a she in general. I wonder if this is a reference to Ryunosuke Fujinami from Urusei Yatsura. But unlike Ryunosuke, Suguri wasn't forced to be a man by her father.

The animation of this episode was probably the best yet. I'd probably call it the best episode yet if the story weren't so questionable. But the ending kinda saved it.

@Rsma130 Agree with most of what you said. I don't think it's a bad anime but it does seem like it's not sure what it wants to be which leads to poor executions.

@0451

First of all, thank you for not criticizing me the way some others did. Unfortunately, some people think that I’m attacking them personally and not the episode itself, and then they start attacking me! That’s wrong. I won’t deny it—when I got a notification from Episode 6, I was worried it might be another round of criticism.

I didn’t exaggerate, I simply said my honest opinion! Maybe my laughter gave the impression that I was mocking, but I was serious when I said the episode was very poorly written! I don’t understand how people agree that it’s Sumomo’s right to marry based on her culture and all that, but I’m not allowed to criticize it? That’s frustrating.

But what you said was true! For the record, marriage among Arabs is very similar to political marriages, just under a different name. Yes, we still practice traditional arranged marriage: a man goes to the family and asks for their daughter’s hand without even knowing her! He doesn’t even know what she looks like! It’s only after the proposal that he sees her for the first time! Yes, to this very day we still live like this. That’s culture! It doesn’t mean we’re wrong or you’re wrong, and it doesn’t mean you should impose your way of thinking on others.

As for the killings—the anime handled it poorly! The two cases Saori witnessed were completely different! The first was simple banditry, an ambush on the road! This has always been forbidden, even in ancient times—it was considered a shameful and unacceptable act. Saori’s statement was correct, not because she’s from the 21st century, but because even in the past people knew banditry was a crime.

The second case, however, was self-defense! That’s what happened in the next scene, and that’s completely different—the context is not the same at all. You can’t compare the first killing with the second in any way. Believe it or not, both eras understood these concepts. But because of bad writing and an overemphasis on the emotional side, you end up going “Hmm, poor Saori…” Poor? Understand the scene properly first!

And we didn’t even touch on the random nonsense! A bowling tournament in ancient times, and so on… I don’t want to drag this out and waste your time or anyone else’s.

In short, thank you for taking the opinions you like and leaving the ones you don’t. It’s really that simple, but some people overlook this! I appreciate your open-mindedness and that you read my comment and mentioned me with respect and kindness.

I admit, yes, my tone was harsh, and I apologize—I was wrong. But I was honest in every word I said!

As for the other topics covered in the episode, I won’t comment on them.

Thank you, I wish you a happy day, and I hope a smile never leaves your face!

And regarding Ryunosuke Fujinami from Urusei Yatsura—it’s truly an honor that they referenced this work! It’s one of the series I love most!

Aug 17, 8:45 AM

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Rsma130 said:
@0451

First of all, thank you for not criticizing me the way some others did. Unfortunately, some people think that I’m attacking them personally and not the episode itself, and then they start attacking me! That’s wrong. I won’t deny it—when I got a notification from Episode 6, I was worried it might be another round of criticism.

I didn’t exaggerate, I simply said my honest opinion! Maybe my laughter gave the impression that I was mocking, but I was serious when I said the episode was very poorly written! I don’t understand how people agree that it’s Sumomo’s right to marry based on her culture and all that, but I’m not allowed to criticize it? That’s frustrating.

But what you said was true! For the record, marriage among Arabs is very similar to political marriages, just under a different name. Yes, we still practice traditional arranged marriage: a man goes to the family and asks for their daughter’s hand without even knowing her! He doesn’t even know what she looks like! It’s only after the proposal that he sees her for the first time! Yes, to this very day we still live like this. That’s culture! It doesn’t mean we’re wrong or you’re wrong, and it doesn’t mean you should impose your way of thinking on others.

As for the killings—the anime handled it poorly! The two cases Saori witnessed were completely different! The first was simple banditry, an ambush on the road! This has always been forbidden, even in ancient times—it was considered a shameful and unacceptable act. Saori’s statement was correct, not because she’s from the 21st century, but because even in the past people knew banditry was a crime.

The second case, however, was self-defense! That’s what happened in the next scene, and that’s completely different—the context is not the same at all. You can’t compare the first killing with the second in any way. Believe it or not, both eras understood these concepts. But because of bad writing and an overemphasis on the emotional side, you end up going “Hmm, poor Saori…” Poor? Understand the scene properly first!

And we didn’t even touch on the random nonsense! A bowling tournament in ancient times, and so on… I don’t want to drag this out and waste your time or anyone else’s.

In short, thank you for taking the opinions you like and leaving the ones you don’t. It’s really that simple, but some people overlook this! I appreciate your open-mindedness and that you read my comment and mentioned me with respect and kindness.

I admit, yes, my tone was harsh, and I apologize—I was wrong. But I was honest in every word I said!

As for the other topics covered in the episode, I won’t comment on them.

Thank you, I wish you a happy day, and I hope a smile never leaves your face!

And regarding Ryunosuke Fujinami from Urusei Yatsura—it’s truly an honor that they referenced this work! It’s one of the series I love most!

I'm not from an Arab country but I am from South Asia where arranged marriages are still very common. I find it almost sad when I see mostly westerners look at arranged marriages like it’s some kind of alien thing when it was the norm not long ago and still is in many countries. In real life I've seen so-called love marriages fall apart more times than the often detested arranged marriages. I guess it’s just a cultural thing.

You make a good point about the two killings being different. I hadn’t considered that. One was during a battle and the other was a raid against bandits. I remember hearing stories about bandits raiding my grandparents villages when they were young and they were truly terrible people. It got so bad that apparently the villagers struck back by burning the bandit village/hideout. Maybe some innocent people died there but I just assumed that was just how it was back then since there was no way any law enforcement would be able to do anything in such a rural area (this was probably in the mid 20th century). Of course things are different now. But I doubt they had much of a choice back then after suffering their raids and robberies so long. So I feel no sympathy for bandits, fictional or not.

Anyway, I'm getting sidetracked here. I think this anime is heavily inspired by Rumiko Takahashi mangas. That's why there are so many references. Some are more obvious than others.

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Aug 17, 8:56 AM

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Rsma130 said:
@0451

First of all, thank you for not criticizing me the way some others did. Unfortunately, some people think that I’m attacking them personally and not the episode itself, and then they start attacking me! That’s wrong. I won’t deny it—when I got a notification from Episode 6, I was worried it might be another round of criticism.

I didn’t exaggerate, I simply said my honest opinion! Maybe my laughter gave the impression that I was mocking, but I was serious when I said the episode was very poorly written! I don’t understand how people agree that it’s Sumomo’s right to marry based on her culture and all that, but I’m not allowed to criticize it? That’s frustrating.

But what you said was true! For the record, marriage among Arabs is very similar to political marriages, just under a different name. Yes, we still practice traditional arranged marriage: a man goes to the family and asks for their daughter’s hand without even knowing her! He doesn’t even know what she looks like! It’s only after the proposal that he sees her for the first time! Yes, to this very day we still live like this. That’s culture! It doesn’t mean we’re wrong or you’re wrong, and it doesn’t mean you should impose your way of thinking on others.

As for the killings—the anime handled it poorly! The two cases Saori witnessed were completely different! The first was simple banditry, an ambush on the road! This has always been forbidden, even in ancient times—it was considered a shameful and unacceptable act. Saori’s statement was correct, not because she’s from the 21st century, but because even in the past people knew banditry was a crime.

The second case, however, was self-defense! That’s what happened in the next scene, and that’s completely different—the context is not the same at all. You can’t compare the first killing with the second in any way. Believe it or not, both eras understood these concepts. But because of bad writing and an overemphasis on the emotional side, you end up going “Hmm, poor Saori…” Poor? Understand the scene properly first!

And we didn’t even touch on the random nonsense! A bowling tournament in ancient times, and so on… I don’t want to drag this out and waste your time or anyone else’s.

In short, thank you for taking the opinions you like and leaving the ones you don’t. It’s really that simple, but some people overlook this! I appreciate your open-mindedness and that you read my comment and mentioned me with respect and kindness.

I admit, yes, my tone was harsh, and I apologize—I was wrong. But I was honest in every word I said!

As for the other topics covered in the episode, I won’t comment on them.

Thank you, I wish you a happy day, and I hope a smile never leaves your face!

And regarding Ryunosuke Fujinami from Urusei Yatsura—it’s truly an honor that they referenced this work! It’s one of the series I love most!

I'm not from an Arab country but I am from South Asia where arranged marriages are still very common. I find it almost sad when I see mostly westerners look at arranged marriages like it’s some kind of alien thing when it was the norm not long ago and still is in many countries. In real life I've seen so-called love marriages fall apart more times than the often detested arranged marriages. I guess it’s just a cultural thing.

You make a good point about the two killings being different. I hadn’t considered that. One was during a battle and the other was a raid against bandits. I remember hearing stories about bandits raiding my grandparents villages when they were young and they were truly terrible people. It got so bad that apparently the villagers struck back by burning the bandit village/hideout. Maybe some innocent people died there but I just assumed that was just how it was back then since there was no way any law enforcement would be able to do anything in such a rural area (this was probably in the mid 20th century). Of course things are different now. But I doubt they had much of a choice back then after suffering their raids and robberies so long. So I feel no sympathy for bandits, fictional or not.

Anyway, I'm getting sidetracked here. I think this anime is heavily inspired by Rumiko Takahashi mangas. That's why there are so many references. Some are more obvious than others.

@0451

I am more than happy to chat with you! and ofc bandits are forbidden, and we have a lot of resources that prove it was forbidden even before, not only in arabs cultures but everywhere!

Have a nice day 💕💕

Aug 19, 10:47 AM

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Rsma130 said:
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

What did I just watch? Was that the worst episode in history or what? Wow… what a disaster. The anime keeps challenging itself to see how it can get worse than last week!

What is this crap?

The episode was such garbage… I don’t even know! It starts talking about a politician’s marriage, then jumps to the female menstrual cycle, then to the concept of males and females, then to murder and bandits, and ends with bowling.

This anime is trash, right? Right? Right!

Wooooow my head hurts from what I just watched, hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

I still can’t process it! What did I just see?

Yes it was incredibly moronic. It's trying so hard to be deep but it's pointless. Girl was crying about how she could never be the same if someone was killed for her sake, but then jumped into the battle and killed someone herself. People will try to say "oh, the contrast was so deep", but I disagree. I just wanted an anime about bowling, which is what was advertised. Sayuri's crying was also incredibly irritating to listen to. Dropped.

You don't advertise an anime as being something so different than what it is. I never would have been remotely interested in this if it weren't advertised as a bowling show, and now I'm even less interested because it lied to us.

Aug 19, 10:54 AM

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Rsma130 said:
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

What did I just watch? Was that the worst episode in history or what? Wow… what a disaster. The anime keeps challenging itself to see how it can get worse than last week!

What is this crap?

The episode was such garbage… I don’t even know! It starts talking about a politician’s marriage, then jumps to the female menstrual cycle, then to the concept of males and females, then to murder and bandits, and ends with bowling.

This anime is trash, right? Right? Right!

Wooooow my head hurts from what I just watched, hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

I still can’t process it! What did I just see?

Yes it was incredibly moronic. It's trying so hard to be deep but it's pointless. Girl was crying about how she could never be the same if someone was killed for her sake, but then jumped into the battle and killed someone herself. People will try to say "oh, the contrast was so deep", but I disagree. I just wanted an anime about bowling, which is what was advertised. Sayuri's crying was also incredibly irritating to listen to. Dropped.

You don't advertise an anime as being something so different than what it is. I never would have been remotely interested in this if it weren't advertised as a bowling show, and now I'm even less interested because it lied to us.

@rawker

Don’t put the blame on Saori… she was going through physical changes at that moment (I wish you get what I mean)… 🥱😒😒

I really agree, the writing of the episode was very bad.

Aug 19, 10:54 AM

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Blindfight said:

Rsma130 said:
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

What did I just watch? Was that the worst episode in history or what? Wow… what a disaster. The anime keeps challenging itself to see how it can get worse than last week!

What is this crap?

The episode was such garbage… I don’t even know! It starts talking about a politician’s marriage, then jumps to the female menstrual cycle, then to the concept of males and females, then to murder and bandits, and ends with bowling.

This anime is trash, right? Right? Right!

Wooooow my head hurts from what I just watched, hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

I still can’t process it! What did I just see?

Wow, what a terrible take. There is a severe lack of media literacy here. Everything in this episode was used to show the contrast between life as we know it and the morals and mores of the past. That's why the talk of political marriage lead into the rest of the episode.

Neither Mai nor Sayuri could understand the thoughts or feelings that the Sengoku era characters were experiencing and living with and that is the crux of the episode. It's used to compare and contrast our values with the violent historical ones that are so foreign to our own.

I don't understand how you could watch Sayuri get emotionally torn apart by trying to reconcile the necessity of violence in the current time period and have this be your take away.

I agree with them though. This was advertised as a bowling anime but instead we're watching a rehash or the more serious themes from Star Wars Attack of the Clones. A lot of people went into this series excited for a bowling anime, so they're understandably disappointed.

Aug 19, 11:05 AM

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Rsma130 said:
@rawker

Don’t put the blame on Saori… she was going through physical changes at that moment (I wish you get what I mean)… 🥱😒😒

I really agree, the writing of the episode was very bad.

Fair point. I had watched half the episode at breakfast and the second half at lunch, so I'd sort of forgotten about the "cinch" situation. No disrespect intended toward that. And realistically, I'd have lost my mind way before sooner if I were trapped in the past unexpectedly like that.

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Aug 19, 11:17 AM

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Blindfight said:

Rsma130 said:
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

What did I just watch? Was that the worst episode in history or what? Wow… what a disaster. The anime keeps challenging itself to see how it can get worse than last week!

What is this crap?

The episode was such garbage… I don’t even know! It starts talking about a politician’s marriage, then jumps to the female menstrual cycle, then to the concept of males and females, then to murder and bandits, and ends with bowling.

This anime is trash, right? Right? Right!

Wooooow my head hurts from what I just watched, hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

I still can’t process it! What did I just see?

Wow, what a terrible take. There is a severe lack of media literacy here. Everything in this episode was used to show the contrast between life as we know it and the morals and mores of the past. That's why the talk of political marriage lead into the rest of the episode.

Neither Mai nor Sayuri could understand the thoughts or feelings that the Sengoku era characters were experiencing and living with and that is the crux of the episode. It's used to compare and contrast our values with the violent historical ones that are so foreign to our own.

I don't understand how you could watch Sayuri get emotionally torn apart by trying to reconcile the necessity of violence in the current time period and have this be your take away.

I agree with them though. This was advertised as a bowling anime but instead we're watching a rehash or the more serious themes from Star Wars Attack of the Clones. A lot of people went into this series excited for a bowling anime, so they're understandably disappointed.

@rawker You're entitled to your opinion, but as far as this episode goes it was far and away the best one yet.

Does it suck that CGDCT bowling fans got a bait and switch? Sure, if you came in expecting one thing and got another that would rub some people the wrong way. I'm a huge hockey fan and I still remember the sting of Pride of Orange, after all... :( But in terms of narrative structure and expressing their chosen themes this one was on point.

That aside, if you're not enjoying something, there's no reason to continue watching it. I don't think anyone is going to be 6 episodes deep in a story they're disappointed with out of spite. And if the are, I think they need to reevaluate some things.

Aug 19, 11:21 AM

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Blindfight said:
@rawker You're entitled to your opinion, but as far as this episode goes it was far and away the best one yet.

Does it suck that CGDCT bowling fans got a bait and switch? Sure, if you came in expecting one thing and got another that would rub some people the wrong way. I'm a huge hockey fan and I still remember the sting of Pride of Orange, after all... :( But in terms of narrative structure and expressing their chosen themes this one was on point.

That aside, if you're not enjoying something, there's no reason to continue watching it. I don't think anyone is going to be 6 episodes deep in a story they're disappointed with out of spite. And if the are, I think they need to reevaluate some things.

Yeah, I agree with you in that we're all going to have our own takeaways from the episode. It's not for me, and I decided to drop the series, but I hope you enjoy the rest of the season and have a good time!

Aug 28, 4:44 PM

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Dudes, these Arabs and others who are arguing here are very strange. The dude has a girl from Ruri no Houseki literally shaking her body under the posts. I wonder how it relates to his culture? And why he doesn't have a problem with it. I'm not even talking about the fact that the dude watches anime (music and drawings of people are kind of forbidden) and I'm not saying about that girls don't wear hijabs in anime. His posts are probably the strangest thing I've seen on this site
He's either a troll or he lives by double standards

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She just killed someone... She can't turn back to herself anymore after doing that...

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