| I wouldn't consciously seek out BL stories, but I'm not gonna hate on them. A good story is a good story. |
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Reply to Nutella71
@LadyMarble Ahh welp that and other things she can find out on her own haha.
Hard to not get a little envious from reading your librarian experiences lol. Sounds ideal for an introvert and book lover.
Jokes aside, but if you don't mind me asking, did the job require you to have a librarian degree? (in our libraries you have to have a very specific college degree, so I'm just curious if it's the same in other places)
Hard to not get a little envious from reading your librarian experiences lol. Sounds ideal for an introvert and book lover.
Jokes aside, but if you don't mind me asking, did the job require you to have a librarian degree? (in our libraries you have to have a very specific college degree, so I'm just curious if it's the same in other places)
| @Nutella71 I can’t recall the exact requirements but I don’t think I needed a degree. But my degree is in English linguistics which helps a lot since we also offer to proofread students’ assignments. I’m not sure what a specific librarian degree would involve? How to order the books by dewey? How to Harvard reference? How to make a poster for Veganuary in Canva? (Making displays each week is very fun) I think basic English and maths qualifications (I never use maths though), a love of books and a decent understanding of IT was all that was needed. I did have a small test as part of my interview where I proofread a paragraph of text, highlight mistakes and write a bit of feedback. My previous jobs have been at a convenience store and as a medical secretary so this job is a piece of cake compared to that! |
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| Regarding the title, nope, not at all. I know tons of girls irl who absolutely swooned and shipped the girls when the first Life is Strange game got released, despite them being straight as an arrow. Women like romances, and many in anime circles, they, more often than men, don't care if it occurs between two people who they sexually don't care for. No clue whether that's thoroughly the case online, but from some cursory glances on the web over the years, the worst I've seen is indifference, avoidance, and personal disgust while moving on. For those who are aware of anime/manga and yuri, I haven't seen anything about women condemning the sexuality as sinful thereby spreading hate to yuri. Unfortunately, the opposite for BL doesn't always hold true. I've noticed that the worst vitriolic reaction always comes from those who react to BL. And it kinda sucks, especially when it can devolve to legitimate threats, see that one male anti-fujo releasing an actual bomb with deadly chemicals to a university and then (almost) a highschool because he hated Kuroke no Basket fujo shipping. But hey, that corner of vitriol seems to have calmed down over the years to just petty internet fights with some verbal bigotry from time to time, so that's nice. Also luckily, the worst of the bunch don't represent most male anime/manga fans, who by and large don't like BL. |
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| No, and the reason for that is that yaoi/yuri don't exist in a "culture war logic" where one thing is invented "as a response" to the other in order to "own the other side". In fact, I don't really see hate against yaoi at all nowadays. |
Reply to LSSJ_Chloe
There is something interesting I've seen pointed out in a video about the labels we use for queer anime and manga and how there are discrepancies when male and female characters are the main subject. When Achillean (same sex attracted for men) relationships are shown in Japanese media there is a distinction in the terminology used based off the target demographic the media is aimed towards. Yaoi is aimed more towards heterosexual women while Bara is aimed more towards Achillean men. Meanwhile when it comes to the depiction of sapphic relationships, Yuri is the catch all and there is no distinction in the categorization on what is and isn't made for sapphic women as the intended audience. Therefore the more fetishy stuff made for men is also lumped in with the stuff actually made for sapphic women under the same umbrella. I figured this would be an interesting addition to this conversation to make by pointing this out.
| @LSSJ_Gaming The reason the distinction is blurry is because the content itself is also blurry. Some people pointed out in other threads of mine how "male gaze-y" anime like Love Live School Idol Project and Akebi-chan no Sailor-fuku are, but at the same time there isn't anything in then that would scare a female audience away (And if something, there are various elements to attract them). Perhaps due to "cuteness" being more sought in GL than "eros", things like Valkyrie Drive: Mermaid are a rarity, and Yuri made "for men" would (Inexplicably to a western POV) look like Strawberry Panic, which also has enough elements to attract a female viewerbase. And then there's cases like Murciélago, which runs in a Seinen magazine, yet every fan of it I remember seeing is either a woman or an egg. |
| Also, I don't know how things work is Japan, but talking about the west we could go the feminism 101 thing of "Liking men is seen as a feminine trait, while liking women is seen as a masculine trait. Therefore a men liking yaoi is seen as having a feminine trait, and since women are seen as inferior to men, that's bad and seen as bad by their peers. Conversely, a woman seeing having a masculine trait is not seen as bad by their peers for he same reason". Homophobia is usually just misogyny with extra-steps. |
| Probably not, though there is considerably more BL out there, a lot of it being erotic (GL being more relegated to fan works). The more wholesome stuff I think men and women can both appreciate. |
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| From my experience with my friends, I've only heard backlash and hate towards yaoi but none toward yuri. None of my few cis male friends who read manga read neither yuri or yaoi. All of my friends who read yuri are cis women, transmasc, or non-binary people. And while it's the same for yaoi, I've seen that in general when talking about it, yaoi is a guilty pleasure (even for shounen ai) while yuri is more casually talked about without any particular shyness (even with erotica tagged yuri). And from my friends online (in MAL), a big majority of them saying explicitely that they like yuri are women and non-binary people. |
| No because I'm not homophobic. The only problem would be the overly sexualization of girl characters in anime. Which is something Ghibli would never. |
| In general, I don't think women hate yuri as much men hate yaoi. I don't come across yuri shipping in the wild as much as I do with yaoi but whenever I do, the reaction ranges from neutral/ignoring it to positive. With yaoi it's easier to find complaints. Also, I've been seeing quite a bit of yuri side ships in yaoi fanfics these days. I can't say that all the writers and all the readers are women, but I assume many, if not most, of them are and the reception seems positive. Personally, I don't mind it. I've even tried reading some yuri, but I haven't found a story that suited my taste yet. I do feel like eye-rolling when it's too cutesy or too much for the male gaze though. |
| Quite the opposite, actually xD .......... |
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| "Do girls hate yuri the same way guys hate yaoi?" Hm, I’m guessing “yes and no.” I’m not sure how straight girls in general view yuri, but I’m pretty sure they’re more open to yuri consumption than guys are to yaoi consumption. From what I’ve seen though, straight guys are definitely uninterested and unwilling to kiss other guys, but there are some straight girls I’ve seen who are interested and willing to kiss other girls; some pretend to kiss for selfies, others kiss when drunk, and others do so for… experimentation reasons I think? Or some other reason that I’m not too sure of. Dragevard said: Is the experience of yuri consumption different for women—perhaps with less stigma or backlash compared to guys and their feelings about yaoi? Not too sure which of the two have more stigma. I’m completely out of the loop when it comes to the yuri and yaoi fandom lol |
Reply to RunariNoctis
"Do girls hate yuri the same way guys hate yaoi?"
Hm, I’m guessing “yes and no.” I’m not sure how straight girls in general view yuri, but I’m pretty sure they’re more open to yuri consumption than guys are to yaoi consumption.
From what I’ve seen though, straight guys are definitely uninterested and unwilling to kiss other guys, but there are some straight girls I’ve seen who are interested and willing to kiss other girls; some pretend to kiss for selfies, others kiss when drunk, and others do so for… experimentation reasons I think? Or some other reason that I’m not too sure of.
Not too sure which of the two have more stigma. I’m completely out of the loop when it comes to the yuri and yaoi fandom lol
Hm, I’m guessing “yes and no.” I’m not sure how straight girls in general view yuri, but I’m pretty sure they’re more open to yuri consumption than guys are to yaoi consumption.
From what I’ve seen though, straight guys are definitely uninterested and unwilling to kiss other guys, but there are some straight girls I’ve seen who are interested and willing to kiss other girls; some pretend to kiss for selfies, others kiss when drunk, and others do so for… experimentation reasons I think? Or some other reason that I’m not too sure of.
Dragevard said:
Is the experience of yuri consumption different for women—perhaps with less stigma or backlash compared to guys and their feelings about yaoi?
Is the experience of yuri consumption different for women—perhaps with less stigma or backlash compared to guys and their feelings about yaoi?
Not too sure which of the two have more stigma. I’m completely out of the loop when it comes to the yuri and yaoi fandom lol
| @GinInYourJuice We also don't have to be sexually attracted to women in order to enjoy Yuri anime |
| Someone has to say it: Women on average are also straight. |
Reply to Tawaney
@GinInYourJuice We also don't have to be sexually attracted to women in order to enjoy Yuri anime
| @Tawaney yeah true. Same would go for guys as well with not always needing to be sexually attracted to other guys in order to like yaoi. |
| Probably not as much, and if so, I think they'd typically hate it for different reasons. Chief among them being that, insofar as it gets NSFW, yuri's primarily authored by males and intended for male gaze, and of course women (perhaps lesbians especially) are understandably more sensitive about men sexualizing them than vice versa. For yaoi, there is of course the straight male majority who'd look at it and be like "ew GAY", often going well beyond straight women in trying to make sure their sexual identity goes unchallenged, while with gay/bi dudes, I'd imagine that any genuine hatred for it is going to be from those who aren't that much into anime/manga in general anyway, but otherwise I think they might just be put off by the stale, generic shoujo aesthetic that tends to make up a lot of BL series, and hold some criticisms about the way M+M relationships are portrayed in a way that might be considered too unrealistic to be relatable, with there very seldom being any exploration or commentary on the topic of homophobia that arguably provides a more compelling source of drama and tension in a queer-themed story than just about anything else one can come up with (at least, if it's just a plain slice-of-life romance type of story). |
k0m0d097Jan 18, 7:37 AM
| I dont hate yuri. It just feels underwhelming and unrealistic. If it was better I would probably tune in |
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Reply to Wrathberry84
@Memore well if you write Posts in a thread about a topic, you kinda need to be ready to people trying to discuss things with you about that topic.
Like i said i dont know a single straight man who likes to read or watch yaoi stuff or gay porn. But i know a lot of guys and girls watching and reading yuri stuff and lesbian porn.
Thats why i was just interested, also we are pretty anonymous here. You dont need to be affraid of me hissing a rainbow flag in your garden tomorrow
Like i said i dont know a single straight man who likes to read or watch yaoi stuff or gay porn. But i know a lot of guys and girls watching and reading yuri stuff and lesbian porn.
Thats why i was just interested, also we are pretty anonymous here. You dont need to be affraid of me hissing a rainbow flag in your garden tomorrow
| @Wrathberry84 "need to be ready" no not at all. what they mentioned is about the topic. what you asked is personal so they have the right to refuse to answer. no ill intention, just wanted to clarify it. |
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| I don't care about what other people think about yuri. If they dislike it, I could care less about that TBH. |
| Here is my Pixiv account of my hentai drawings..... https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/104739065 Here is my blog.... https://theendofindustrialcivilization.blogspot.com/?m=1 |
| I'm a guy and I love yaoi, I feel like everyone on this website is homophobic 🙄 I think most yuri is boring and just stupid but I don't dislike it |
| No straight man wants to feel emasculated for watching Yaoi anime |
| Of course not, female homosexuality is far less controversial/stigmatized. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
| You guys say as if people were homophobic, but it is not just hand holding, hugs, and kisses. I have a high tolerance, but what if it is like the bed scenes or the various make outs equivalents of that? Or a character being a yuri perv? I know I get slightly annoyed at Grell for example, the equivalent would be probably the Railgun friend that likes to see under skirts. And there is HxH Hisoka, and the Railgun twintails character, or the table girl from Code Geass. And there is a bed scene in Psycho pass. Equivalent is maybe Patalliro? Then there are the male on male rapes in Berserk and Basara. I think the yuri equivalent to that is first episode of Cross Ange, maybe there are more. |
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Reply to Nutella71
@LadyMarble Ohh so it's very different there (I presume the US/Canada?) than here. I don't think you're even able to employ a person as a librarian by law if they don't have a degree in librarianship/library science? (idk how to translate it directly into English). You have to finish a university course named "librarianship" in the department/faculty of information and communication sciences in the duration of either mandatory 3 years (bachelors) or additional 2 years (masters). And even then the university quota is less than 50 students per year so you have to be very lucky to even get in, even with very good highschool grades and SAT/GCSE/entrance exam results (I know, I tried myself lol).
So yeah, kinda sad I won't be able to, but also happy someone gets to enjoy such a nice occupation! Good luck with those Veganuary posters!
So yeah, kinda sad I won't be able to, but also happy someone gets to enjoy such a nice occupation! Good luck with those Veganuary posters!
| @Nutella71 I live in the UK. I didn’t realise other countries had such a qualification. That’s really interesting! Do you need that sort of qualification to work in a non-academic library? |
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| I think hate is a pretty strong word here. I am a guy, but I don't necessarily hate yaoi. It's just something I am not that interested in. Just like I generally have little to no interest in Anime for children. That doesn't mean I hate children's Anime. Also I have met plenty of girls and women who do not hate yuri. Just most of the time, females aren't specifically interested in some story where such a thing is it's main premise. Just like me being a heterosexual guy, I not generally interested in stories where yaoi is it's main premise either. |
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