Chainsaw man and Frieren

@DigiCat
it's a 100% a foot fetish scene you would find in doujins.

And you don't masturbate because you are "frustrated", you do it because you just wake up horny thanks to testosterone.
Are you 12?

@AnimeIs4Kidz Oh you were reffering to the foot lol i mean in that case i'm pretty sure these weirdos wank any time bare feet are on screen ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Also, yes being frustrated is one of the reasons someone might wank, just like waking up with an overload of hormones is another reason

And you seem to be the one who might not be old enough to talk about these things, cuz 1) people don't wank exclusively straight after waking up, and 2) masturbating is not exclusive to men

@DigiCat learn some biology your ignorant prick.

Testosterone is not just "another" reason. It's the reason.

Some times ignorant kids should learn when to stfu.

If you weren't such an ignorant kid you would know that people will low testosterone levels barely masturbate.

Kids, stay in school please.

But Chainsaw Man sexualize their woman all the time.

@ktg You claimed that you did describe Denji's personality after analyzing it, but all you did was claim he has none, that is not an analisys, so on that basis, yes i refute you, because you claimed you did something you didn't

Chainsaw Man fans can't shut the fuck up about their dog protagonist can they?

@DigiCat See? You proved my point, you still ignoring my analyzes instead of arguing. This is what I tried to avoid, because this is not how mature people argue.
So, because I want you to learn something, I show you how to refute someone. You praised someone because how good his description was about Denji and I will point it why it is not true and even you failed to recognize those mistakes he made.


He's not really wild, he's just stupid. Stupid people tend to act faster without thinking about consequences. He does not get along with Power so well. They are forced to cooperate, but even then Power tricks him and tries to sacrifice him. Because Denji saved her and her kitty, Power somewhat trusts him, but this has nothing to do with "being wild".
He also cares about society norms to some degree, but he has goals and it doesn't matter that he was separated, because he learned certain norms from the mafia. He needs to follow norms to achieve his goal and he understands that without those norms he cannot touch a boob.
He is not straight, honest and naive, and he does deceive others. Lol, dude, one of the first scenes was when he tricked the mafia guy to pay him a 100 yen, because he swallowed his cigarette. Actually for him the norm is to deceive others and do not trust them, because he grew up among mafia thugs. He couldn't trust them, so he kept his secrets to himself.


Also not true. He understands fear, he feels it and yes, he is not brave either. The difference is that he has a job that needs to be done. In the mafia if he didn't finish a job, he would have got a punishment, or would not have got payment. So even if he feels fear, he needs to do his job, because that is the norm, that's how he survived. That's why he does not give up. Even against the Tomato devil you could see that he is not that reckless and thinks about winning.


Incorrect. That's what he wanted and he understands that it was nothing special. That was his problem. Originally because he had no experience, he had no dreams, he had no idea how big his dream was. That's why he chose something he thought that it is big and a really good dream. But when he achieved it, it turned out that it is nothing special.


Again, it is boring that you are so wrong so many times. He pretty much understands empathy and he also has. We know this because of his monologue when jumped into the eternity devil after Aki protected him. He just played the "tsundere" role.

So nothing was remotely correct in your description and my problem was originally that I pointed out that this is not really a personality. You described some of his actions and this level of depth exists in EVERY SHOUNEN.
Let's compare this to Kirito. Kirito isn't that brave either, just like Denji, but while Denji couldn't run away, because he needed money, he needed to survive, Kirito was trapped in the game, so he had no choice. So both them were forced to "act" as strong and brave. Both of them tried to distance themselves from others. Denji's only friend was Pochita and he did not want to depend on others, while Kirito did not want someone else to die because of him, but in reality both of them cared for others when others helped them. Aki helped Denji and Denji wanted to repay him by fighting the eternity devil, while Kirito befriended every hot chicks and protected them. Both of them are relatively secretive, Kirito is secretive because he fears what others would think about him, while Denji is secretive because he cannot trust anyone.

But these short descriptions are not personalities. We don't really know what they like, what they didn't like, in a new situation how they would react, because both of them lack personality (at least at this point).

@Yuu_Kanzaki what's your problem

@Igi2137 I don't know, maybe I have a bit of a problem with CSM fans explaining Denji's character every time they have the chance?

Or the fact they can't help but bring CSM to the table when something popular is on the rise?

Gee, I can't really put my finger on it.

@ktg But mature adults call anything they don't agree with a mistake

Look, credit where credit is due, you did bring up some good counter arguments, but your points are no where near perfect, i mean you even contradict your own argument, first you say he's stupid and doesn't think before he acts, but later on you say he infact does think and is npt as reckless as he seems, so which is it? Does he or does he not have the intelligence to safeguard himself?

You mention deception, yes he has learnt to use deception for survival, so saying he never deceives anyone is incorect, but what would be correct to say is that he never deceives with malicious intent, also knowing how to tell a lie or 2 doesn't meen you're not naive, of course he's picked up survival skills along the way, he wouldn't be alive without, but he is very naive in most everyday life skills

Next you say he doesn't get along with Power, on what basis do you think that, because they fight? I don't know if you know this but gettinf along doesn't mean everything is perfect 24/7, and yes they are forced to be together, yes they didn'tinstantly get along from day 1, but they built a close bond over time

Lastly, mature adults don't make claims that an entire genre/demographic lack depth just because they personally don't like said genre/demographic

I can only assume this was a derogatory comment on shounen

OK, there are two things I agree with. Firstly, Denji is acknowledged with basic social norms. He doesn't try to obtain everything with power. But that's about it. Morality, law, etiquette, those are things he doesn't care about at all. Secondly, he does sometimes lie.
And yes, he is dumb. After all he didn't have time for education. That's partly the reason I call him wild. He is led by instincts and feelings, not by mind. His low intelligence and lack of most social norms is what makes up most of this wildness.


And he does get along with Power very well. At first, they had a deal and conflict. But what happens next, after they get to know each other better? Denji and Power become friends. Her relationships with other characters are completely different. Power always starts conflicts with Aki, he lacks this wildness. She is scared of Makima. And only Denji is the person who plays with her, who more or less understands her.


He is naive. Like, mafia boss took him to an empty plant. He told him something about demon, but that demon is nowhere to be seen. Does Denji question his words? No, he tells the boss to hide behind his back, the most vulnerable position for Denji. He trusts mafia boss. Then, attractive powerful woman appears from nowhere and tells him that she will do for Denji everything he dreamed about. That's the definition of being suspicious. But Denji doesn't suspect Makima. The only time he started to suspect anyone is when Power repeated the thing which the mafia boss did with Denji earlier and messed up with the lies.


I'm still insisting on the fact that Denji didn't want to touch boobs. Your interpretation would make sense, if the opposite wasn't showed in the next scene. Denji touches Makima's boobs and he gets what he wanted. Denji looked for intimacy, not boobs or sex. Just like the Moon in Cyberpunk 2077 is a fake dream for those who actually want to get out of the Night City, boobs are fake Denji's dream.


As for the point about fear, yes, he probably able to feel fear. For a second or two. After all the natural triggers of emotions cannot be unlearnt. However, after Denji enters fight or flight mode, Denji always chooses to fight. That's the reaction to fear he learnt through years. His fear quickly evolves into anger. No matter what, he always instictively chooses to fight. Even when he faces entities who are millions time stronger than him. We see the opposite with Power. She always chooses to flee. She even refuses to fight Katana man, clearing the floor with weak zombies instead.


Denji is not empathetic. He didn't care about Himeno's death. He didn't care if during his fights people were injured or killed. He almost killed a guy himself. He started to develop some empathy later. He feels something for Power, Makima and Aki, but he doesn't care about anyone else

@Yuu_Kanzaki lol. Maybe seek some professional help if you have problems with text from random people on the internet.

@DigiCat Now I will answer separately again, because both of you replied with a relatively long comment. If you are interested in that answer, check the other responses.


That was not a contradiction. There 2 types of "smartness". He is stupid as he didn't go to school and because of lack of human interactions he can be manipulated (for example by Makima). But he's also street smart to some degree where he tries to trick others.


I wouldn't say this either, because malicious intent depends on how you interpret things. When you say you did something and got money for it, but you didn't do it. You cause harm to that person, because he gets into a worse financial situation.


I didn't mean it as they hate each other. But they are not together either because they are friends. They are not friends, they are forced into that situation, so they deal with each other. While the other user tried to use their behaviour as a common ground, but that's not the case. They started to get along after Denji saved the cat, not because they are "wild".


Oh, I can do this too. Mature adults can understand what I actually said that is not about lacking depth. That quote means that even the worst shounen has this much depth. This is a lower bar and not an upper one.

And btw, if you really consider Denji as a really deep character, then that comment is actually a praise, because it means the worst anime's MC is as deep as Denji.

@Igi2137 Uhhh I'm sure people who write paragraphs defending a show would appreciate the offer better.

Thanks though.

Oh ok, so you're the type of person who mesures intelligence by how much school someone has done

Minus the very ignorant statement of "he is stupid cuz he didn't go to school", you do realize the rest of what you said is exactly the same stuff i said but with different words

he can be manipulated (for example by Makima), he is naive

But he's also street smart to some degree where he tries to trick others, but he also has survival skills


OMG, you did not just bring that up when the person he cheated out of his money is a rich AF criminal, trust me giving Denji 100 yen (less than a dollar) did not harm that pathetic excuse for a human being, unlike what he asked Denji to do, swallow a sigarette, which would cause harm to Denji's health if he'd followed thru with it

What has this thread turned into

I mean, technically the 2 are synonyms, maybe you were thinking intelligent vs wise?


Also by that logic you could say the mafia guy chose to throw that bet at Denji, no one forced him to do so, and it's his choice if he wants to put 100 yen or his life savings on the line, he decided and he accepted the risk that Denji might not be as obediant as he's perceived to be

Not exactly, at least I use them differently. Being intelligent is more like having high IQ, while being smart is much broader term. You could be considered smart by remembering every fact, but I wouldn't necessary call that intelligence.


You could say that, but I don't think that risk existed in his mind. Like the same way Denji wasn't thinking about that the mafia guy might trick him. That's why Denji acted so obedient. Also, the mafia guy could have a logic like "this is so small amount that if he didn't want to do it, he would just refuse the deal".

So, from the mafia guy POV, I think the situation is more closer how we go to buy a service or product. We don't expect the seller to trick us. Like when we buy a bread, we are not assuming that it is poisoned.