ateks said: breadcrumbwings said: Is the SJW in the room with us right now, ateks? Probably you by the amount you are coping and intentionally misunderstanding the thread. Right. I'm coping. It's not you that is coping because they censored a scene of an underage character showering. Which is what you had a gripe with. But i digress. The SJWs are totally responsible for this, not various regulations and company policies. It's minority consumer that dictates this absolutely. |
breadcrumbwings said: ateks said: Probably you by the amount you are coping and intentionally misunderstanding the thread. Right. I'm coping. It's not you that is coping because they censored a scene of an underage character showering. Which is what you had a gripe with. But i digress. The SJWs are totally responsible for this, not various regulations and company policies. It's minority consumer that dictates this absolutely. I'm literally making fun of both the SJWs and translators in the op and yes it is the SJWs influencing the translators which they even admit themselves. You've just proven that you didn't even read the op and just wanted to add your silly comment. |
| Don't know why it's suddenly again coopted into a discussion of SJW vs anit-SJW. Not like the other side of the aisle isn't as quick with kicking up a stink, boycotting and canceling. Just look at all the recent cases of protesting and burning books, defunding libraries, etc. For all we know it could as well be a case of typical Christian soccer moms parading around their slogan of "What about the children?" |
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ateks said: What do you think about SJW influencing the anime and manga industry?  The publisher's own statement says it's the complete opposite of what you're implying.. Guess you'll just have to fabricate another 'SJW' scare to spook us with.. |
this_shit_again said: ateks said: What do you think about SJW influencing the anime and manga industry? The publisher's own statement says it's the complete opposite of what you're implying.. Guess you'll just have to fabricate another 'SJW' scare to spook us with.. Look guys another coping SJW unable to read more than two sentences. Back to twitter with you. |
Asturaetus said: Don't know why it's suddenly again coopted into a discussion of SJW vs anit-SJW. Not like the other side of the aisle isn't as quick with kicking up a stink, boycotting and canceling. Just look at all the recent cases of protesting and burning books, defunding libraries, etc. For all we know it could as well be a case of typical Christian soccer moms parading around their slogan of "What about the children?" Doesn't matter if you call it SJW, soccer moms or conservatives it's all the same scum and I'm too lazy to name them all. And yeah of course it escalated into another SJW vs anti-SJW thread just like every other thread where you call them out. These guys can't even be bothered to read the whole op and realize I'm not offended but make fun of them. |
| This "SJW ruining X" thing is really just buzzwords used to complain about people being upset with mildly progressive messaging in any piece of media. There are just times where edits need to be made in order for things to work for a different audience than intended. With this case of Summertime Rendering of course they had to cover up the nudity of an underage child or else it would legally be considered CHILD PORNOGRAPHY. I also think it is appropriate to remove statements that may be considered offensive in some countries. If a racial, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, etc. slur is in a piece of work and it doesn't hold purpose to the plot (like a character dealing with getting bullied for their traits or to show inequality or something) it is probably best to be removed since you may turn off a huge audience since you are indirectly promoting hate to others. Cases where I think censorship is not really ok is when it comes to stuff that messes with the plot. A great example would be how the English dub of Yu-Gi-Oh changed a lot of the backstories of characters who are dealing with some sort of grief at the loss of a loved one. In the Japanese version Kajiki/Mako lost his father to the waves of the ocean where he perished, and receiving the Legendary Fisherman card from him posthumously was a symbol of how much his father cared for him. This is severely lessened in the dub version where his father is implied to have survived the accident at sea. Other characters who have their backstories messed up from not having anyone allowed to die include Raphael, Amelda/Alister, and Ed/Aster Pheonix. This is because Conservative parents were too scared of showing their kids death on TV that 4Kids felt the need to censor any of the mentions of death outside of the Ceremonial Duel which is all about the Pharaoh's spirit being able to pass on to the afterlife. There's a difference between disliking censorship of plot important things, and not allowing necessary edits to be made for a series to even make it outside of Japan. Allowing stuff like underage titties, and bigotry to persist in the translations only allows for these things to breed in the community itself giving anime fans as a whole a bad image. |
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| the original looks way hotter godamn i hate censorship like this!! |
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| The western manga industry is so weird RN. Censorship seems to be becoming a bigger & bigger issue for mainstream titles, yet I can walk into my local Barnes & Noble to pick up the latest volume of I'm Not a Succubus, which is essentially softcore porn featuring sexualized high school age characters. Also, Made in Abyss is being published in English completely uncensored...? (Correct me if I'm wrong pls) How the hell did that happen? I don't really get any of this LOL. If there wasn't a vocal minority complaining about fanservice, I doubt most people would care. I've never given character ages much thought. I don't think it really matters considering these are cartoon characters & you could slap any age on them and make it the word of god. People who are genuinely upset by anime girl nudity & call it "child p**n" leave me feeling very confused. The character that was censored here doesn't even look like a loli. You could tell me that girl was in her early 20's & I would believe it. But perhaps the weirdest thing about this censorship case is them censoring her knees. Knee fetishists BTFO'd. |
ShmubmJan 2, 2023 7:58 PM
| I feel like what the localizers don't get about edits like these is that most fans will regard the original version to be the "real" canon version. I'm not a fan of ecchi scenes but I feel like translation companies shouldn't pick up titles that they have to edit in order to meet mainstream sensibilities because as I said before, most people regard changes made in localization to be non-canon. |
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Shmubm said: I'm honestly starting to think that the fact that anime characters are drawings is just the anime/manga/visual novel industry's equivalent to casting adult actors to play teenagers in a show with spicy scenes lol.The western manga industry is so weird RN. Censorship seems to be becoming a bigger & bigger issue for mainstream titles, yet I can walk into my local Barnes & Noble to pick up the latest volume of I'm Not a Succubus, which is essentially softcore porn featuring sexualized high school age characters. Also, Made in Abyss is being published in English completely uncensored...? (Correct me if I'm wrong pls) How the hell did that happen? I don't really get any of this LOL. If there wasn't a vocal minority complaining about fanservice, I doubt most people would care. I've never given character ages much thought. I don't think it really matters considering these are cartoon characters & you could slap any age on them and make it the word of god. People who are genuinely upset by anime girl nudity & call it "child p**n" leave me feeling very confused. The character that was censored here doesn't even look like a loli. You could tell me that girl was in her early 20's & I would believe it. But perhaps the weirdest thing about this censorship case is them censoring her knees. Knee fetishists BTFO'd. |
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HatsuneYugi39 said: I feel like what the localizers don't get about edits like these is that most fans will regard the original version to be the "real" canon version. I'm not a fan of ecchi scenes but I feel like translation companies shouldn't pick up titles that they have to edit in order to meet mainstream sensibilities because as I said before, most people regard changes made in localization to be non-canon. That's true. It's important to set your goals as a company making translations of foreign comics. Picking up ecchi series, knowing that there might be perhaps too spicy panels for country of destination (aka country, in which certain translation is going to be published), is weird if you take a look at target audience of such comics. It's obvious that somebody being a fan of ecchi genre buying a comic belonging to this genre expects to see ecchi, not its edited, "family friendly" version. That's why I can get why people were pissed off, even if a little, and even if the censorship - according to what I read - was rather minimal. At least the situation was explained to not be motivated by cultural approriation or local morals pushed over foreign ones. In most of cases there are no explanations at all, so I wouldn't be that much upset if I was a fan of that manga. |
HatsuneYugi39 said: That's a pretty accurate comparison, IMO. I was actually thinking about that last night. Live action movies & TV shows sexualize 'teenage' characters all the time via the usage of adult actresses/actors. I wonder if the people who are upset by spicy anime high school girls are equally upset by like, say a typical slasher flick which portrays teenager characters as being very sexually active/sexualized. Nobody really seems to question it. At least, I haven't seen any discourse relating to that topic. Shmubm said: I'm honestly starting to think that the fact that anime characters are drawings is just the anime/manga/visual novel industry's equivalent to casting adult actors to play teenagers in a show with spicy scenes lol.The western manga industry is so weird RN. Censorship seems to be becoming a bigger & bigger issue for mainstream titles, yet I can walk into my local Barnes & Noble to pick up the latest volume of I'm Not a Succubus, which is essentially softcore porn featuring sexualized high school age characters. Also, Made in Abyss is being published in English completely uncensored...? (Correct me if I'm wrong pls) How the hell did that happen? I don't really get any of this LOL. If there wasn't a vocal minority complaining about fanservice, I doubt most people would care. I've never given character ages much thought. I don't think it really matters considering these are cartoon characters & you could slap any age on them and make it the word of god. People who are genuinely upset by anime girl nudity & call it "child p**n" leave me feeling very confused. The character that was censored here doesn't even look like a loli. You could tell me that girl was in her early 20's & I would believe it. But perhaps the weirdest thing about this censorship case is them censoring her knees. Knee fetishists BTFO'd. |
Shmubm said: I have seen some people disgruntled about how sexualized modern American media has become but that type of criticism seems to be less popular than talking about how degenerate anime is but simultaneously enjoying those questionable teen drama shows. Actually, when you compare the two mediums, anime seems to generally just contain more sexualized nudity, whereas live action American television generally seems to have more actual sexual activity. Either way, live action degeneracy is inherently worse because there's a larger possibility of you relating something to real life if it's live action.HatsuneYugi39 said: That's a pretty accurate comparison, IMO. I was actually thinking about that last night. Live action movies & TV shows sexualize 'teenage' characters all the time via the usage of adult actresses/actors. I wonder if the people who are upset by spicy anime high school girls are equally upset by like, say a typical slasher flick which portrays teenager characters as being very sexually active/sexualized. Nobody really seems to question it. At least, I haven't seen any discourse relating to that topic. I'm honestly starting to think that the fact that anime characters are drawings is just the anime/manga/visual novel industry's equivalent to casting adult actors to play teenagers in a show with spicy scenes lol. |
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HatsuneYugi39 said: Yeah, I've noticed people are unusually critical toward anime's portrayal of nudity/sexual content compared to live action media. That has always struck me as weird since anime is 100% fictional, no real people involved being sexualized or at risk of being hurt. The other day I saw a family member, who is a middle-aged adult man, watching one of those artsy fartsy coming of age movies featuring a scene with two teen girls stripping to their underwear and making out. I felt a little weirded out, like I was watching something not made for me/I shouldn't be seeing. Anime doesn't give me that feeling cause they're just cartoon characters. But I guess most people feel the opposite way, like that kind of thing is more okay in live action media because it's seen as more... 'high-brow,' I guess?Shmubm said: I have seen some people disgruntled about how sexualized modern American media has become but that type of criticism seems to be less popular than talking about how degenerate anime is but simultaneously enjoying those questionable teen drama shows. Actually, when you compare the two mediums, anime seems to generally just contain more sexualized nudity, whereas live action American television generally seems to have more actual sexual activity. Either way, live action degeneracy is inherently worse because there's a larger possibility of you relating something to real life if it's live action.That's a pretty accurate comparison, IMO. I was actually thinking about that last night. Live action movies & TV shows sexualize 'teenage' characters all the time via the usage of adult actresses/actors. I wonder if the people who are upset by spicy anime high school girls are equally upset by like, say a typical slasher flick which portrays teenager characters as being very sexually active/sexualized. Nobody really seems to question it. At least, I haven't seen any discourse relating to that topic. |
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